[00:00:01] CALL TO ORDER. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. [CALL TO ORDER] THE CITY OF PRINCETON, OCTOBER 17TH, 2022. PLEASE. SILENCE ALL PHONES. ROLL CALL. KYLE SUTTON IS HERE. SHERRY CAMPBELL HERE. ROBERT BELLON JR. IS NOT HERE, CHRIS COOPER, HERE. ROBYN FORSYTH IS NOT HERE, BUT SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON HER WAY, SO WE'LL CORRECT THE RECORD IF SHE ARRIVES. JOIN ME NOW FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PUBLIC [PUBLIC APPEARANCE] APPEARANCE. SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO RESPOND TO OR TO DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS SESSION THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A SPEAKER'S INQUIRY OR TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO ANY INQUIRY, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE. GO AHEAD. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE]. PLEASE CALL ME ELAM. NO PRONOUNS, PLEASE. MY ADDRESS IS 903 EGRET STREET PRINCETON. SO I WAS REVIEWING THE ATTACHMENTS TO THE DOCUMENTS THAT WERE AVAILABLE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. BOTH THE DOCUMENTS, CRITICALLY, WERE NOT CORRECT. SO THERE WERE MISTAKES. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU. THE CHAIR, HAVE YOU REVIEWED IT, SIR? YOU'RE THE VICE CHAIR. HAVE YOU REVIEWED IT? THE ATTACHMENTS. YES. MEMBER PLACE THREE. HAVE YOU REVIEWED IT, SIR? IF YOU HAVE NOT, PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE IT. IF YOU HAVE REVIEWED, IT'S OK. I DID REVIEW THEM AND THEY WERE. THERE WERE CLERICAL MISTAKES IN THEM. ALSO, THE WE HAVE FALL FEST COMING UP, I THINK IT IS THIS WEEKEND. NONE OF THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING YOU FOR APPROVALS HAVE SPONSORED. SO OUT OF TOWN PEOPLE WHO COME AND TAKE AWAY OUR CONVERT OUR LAND, BUILD THINGS AND TAKE AWAY OUR WEALTH OUTSIDE THE CITY. THEY DON'T DO MUCH FOR US EXCEPT TAKING AWAY OUR WEALTH. SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CRITICALLY REVIEW IF THESE ARE THESE PROJECTS ARE REQUIRED AT THIS STAGE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE SENATE CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA] LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT ROBIN FORSYTH IS NOW WITH US. ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COMMISSIONER SO REQUESTS IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED IN ITS NORMAL SEQUENCE ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH ARE THE MINUTES OF LAST MEETING AND TWO FINAL PLATS. IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION ON ANY OF THOSE THREE ITEMS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'LL SAY ALL IN FAVOR. SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES FOUR ZERO. [REGULAR AGENDA] WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. PUBLIC HEARING. ZA20222382 ZONING MAP AMENDMENT DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION OF RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST FROM PRINCETON ESTATES, TEXAS LLC FOR A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT FOR A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT FOR A PROPERTY BEING AN 80 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN THE DAVID SHERRY SURVEY. ABSTRACT NUMBER 166 CITY OF PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. CRAIG FISHER, PLANNING MANAGER. THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM AGRICULTURE TO SFC OR SINGLE FAMILY ZERO LOT LINE THE PROPERTIES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CR408. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING STRAIGHT ZONING SO THERE ARE NO STIPULATIONS PROPOSED TO BE WHAT'S PERMITTED PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATES THIS AREA AS NEIGHBORHOOD LIVING. STAFF FINDS THAT THIS REQUEST IS APPEARS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE. [00:05:01] I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:05. IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING? THANK YOU. YES, SIR. WITH THE HOUSING MARKET IS RIGHT NOW. I REQUEST THAT THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE OF ZONING NOT BE APPROVED. THANK YOU. CRAIG, ARE YOU AWARE OF THE OF ANY CLERICAL ERRORS, IN THE ATTACHMENT OF THIS ITEM. I AM NOT. IS THIS THE PROPERTY THAT'S POSSIBLY AFFECTED BY THE UPCOMING THE LOOP? THAT'S CORRECT. I'LL COMMENT ON THAT SUBJECT. THIS IS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG THE PROPOSED LIMITED ACCESS ROADWAY ROUTE. THAT ROUTE HAS YET TO BE INCLUDED ON OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THOUGH, AT THIS TIME. AND THIS PROPERTY DOES TECHNICALLY MEET THE MEET THE SINGLE FAMILY DESIGNATION AS DESIGNATED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE DESIGNATION IS A HIGHER DENSITY THAN WE THAN WE REALLY SEE IN. I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANY DEVELOPMENTS SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOP AT THAT DENSITY, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR NINE UNITS PER ACRE. HOWEVER, TECHNICALLY IT FALLS WITHIN IN LINE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO IT'S YOUR JOB TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION. THE LIMITED ACCESS ROADWAY WILL GO THROUGH THIS PROPERTY AND AT SUCH TIME THAT THAT HAPPENS, THIS MAY NOT BE THE APPROPRIATE ZONING FOR THAT, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO CROSS THAT ROAD AT THAT TIME WHENEVER IT'S ON OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. YOU SHAKE YOUR HEAD, JUST TURN THAT, PLEASE. YOUR MIND? YEAH. THERE YOU GO. HERBERT GEAR'S FROM 555 PROMENADE PARKWAY IN IRVING, TEXAS, AND WE ARE AWARE OF THE 308 BYPASS COMING THROUGH THERE. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH TXDOT STAFF. THIS IS OUR SECOND VISIT. WE DECIDED THAT THE BEST PATH FOR US WOULD BE TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE ENTIRE PROPERTY ZONED FOR A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT. WE DO ANTICIPATE COMING FORWARD ONCE THE ROAD IS ESTABLISHED AND WE CAN IDENTIFY THE REAL BOUNDARIES OF THE ROAD AND POTENTIALLY GET THE TOP PART ZONED COMMERCIAL. BUT WE FEEL LIKE IN ALL SCENARIOS THE REST OF IT WILL BE RESIDENTIAL AND THIS CATEGORY FIT BEST FOR US, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING WHAT WE'D HAD PREVIOUSLY. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER, BUT THE PLAN SORT OF CUT A BIG SWATH RIGHT THROUGH THERE AND SORT OF RUINED OUR GRAND VISION. BUT WE STILL BELIEVE WE CAN MAKE A GREAT DEVELOPMENT THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'D BE PROUD OF. SO WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO. DON'T ASK FOR ANY EXCEPTIONS OR ANY VARIANCES OR ANYTHING. JUST PUT IN PLACE WHAT WE CAN TO BUILD THE PRODUCT THAT WE NEED, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE. WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING TO DO. WE'VE GOT TO COME IN WITH A SITE PLAN AND PLATING AND GET ALL THE UTILITIES WORKED OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE KNOW THAT, BUT WE FELT LIKE WE'D BE A GOOD SORT OF STARTING POINT SO THAT WE HAVE A BASIS TO GET GOING. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. GOING FROM AGRICULTURE TO SFZ. THAT'S A HUGE BLANK CHECK. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING TO TO SHOW WHAT ELSE WOULD BE ON THIS 80 ACRES AT THIS POINT. I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT ASIDE PLAN OR PRELIMINARY PLAN OR ANYTHING OR SITE PLAN, BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST PUTTING THE WHOLE THING DOWN AS SFZ AND HOPING SOME COMMERCIAL WOULD BE PUT IN THERE. I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE DETAILS. [00:10:02] ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. I'LL ALSO COMMENT THAT I AGREED IS A BIG BLANK CHECK, AS YOU MENTIONED, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMMERCIAL NOT BEING THERE. MAYBE IT'S THERE, MAYBE IT'S NOT. MAYBE CHANGE IT LATER. IT'S JUST A IT'S A BIG CHANGE, ESPECIALLY FOR THAT AREA. WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT? YOU KNOW. MICROPHONE. THE MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN. WE HAVE TO BE WITH THE DETAILED PLAN. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WE WENT THROUGH IN THE LAST PROCESS, WE SORT OF ASSUMED WE WERE GOING TO GET THE ZONING AND PUT A BIG INVESTMENT INTO A BIG PLAN THAT GOT SIDESWIPED BY THIS REALIGNMENT OF THE FREEWAY. AND SO WE THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE OUR BETTER APPROACH WOULD BE TO ESTABLISH A BASELINE OF WILL WE BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE AND THEN INVEST IN THE SITE PLAN AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN. YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET THAT APPROVED BY YOU. SO YOU STILL HAVE TOTAL CONTROL OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. THERE'S NO UNCERTAINTIES THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO WORRY ABOUT. WE'LL BE BACK IN WITH A VERY DETAILED PLAN. ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE ESTABLISHING THAT IT'S ALREADY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR RESIDENTIAL. THE I GUESS THE UNIQUE DISTINCTION MAY BE THE ZERO LIGHT LINE COMPONENT. YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT ALL THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND TRIED TO SQUEEZE IN THE IDEA THAT WE HAD BEFORE OF A SORT OF A HIGHER END PRODUCT INTO THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. BUT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING AFFECTED SO DRAMATICALLY WITH HOW MUCH AREA WE HAVE TO WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT, WELL, WE'D HAVE TO BE COMING IN HERE AND SORT OF RETAILORING WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF VARIANCES AND THAT WOULD BE EVEN MORE PROBLEMATIC AND MAYBE UNDESIRABLE ON THE STAFF'S PART SO WE THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, LET'S LET'S PUT THIS SFZ HERE, KNOWING THAT WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'VE GOT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE. AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET APPROVED. WE'RE AWARE OF THAT. AND I MENTIONED THE PART ABOUT COMMERCIAL AND THE TOP, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS KIND OF. GIVING THE IMPRESSION A LITTLE BIT THAT COMMERCIAL WOULD HAVE VALUE WHEN THE NEW FREEWAY COMES IN. AND WE AGREE WITH THAT. IN FACT, WE WOULD DO THE WHOLE THING THAT WAY. BUT THERE'S A VERY LONG EXTENDED TIMELINE FOR THAT TO BE VIABLE AND THERE'S TOO MANY UNCERTAINTIES. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE A BIG INVESTMENT BY BUYING, BUYING THE PROPERTY, AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN CREATE A QUALITY ENOUGH PRODUCT WITH THE PART THAT WE HAVE LEFT IN A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE IT ALL WORK FOR EVERYONE, FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THE LAND AND ALL THAT. SO WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WE'RE NOT INTENTIONALLY BEING VAGUE ABOUT ANYTHING. WE KNOW VERY CLEARLY WE'LL COME IN HERE WITH A DETAILED SITE PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO THAT WE'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT WE AT LEAST WILL HAVE A CHANCE. SO IF YOU GRANT THIS ZONING ON THE PROPERTY TONIGHT, I KNOW I'M GOING TO BE RIGHT BACK UP HERE HAVING TO HONOR WHAT I'M TELLING YOU TONIGHT, AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. WE JUST LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT SO WE CAN CONTINUE WORKING ON THE PROJECT IF IT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. I KNOW WHEN YOU WERE HERE THE LAST TIME, DID YOU HAVE DETAILS ON THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION? WAS IT ALL SFZ AT THAT TIME? NO, THEY WEREN'T. THEY WERE, WE HAD I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY. I THINK WE HAD SOME TOWNHOUSE AND SOME SF 2, OR 1, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS IN A CONFIGURATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE HAD 400 AND SOME ODD UNITS ULTIMATELY AND WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DEVELOP. SO NOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS 180, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 200 UNITS AT THE MOST FOR, FOR ALL OF OUR PROPERTY. SO WE'VE HAD TO REALLY CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THE MINDSET AND THE BUSINESS MODEL AND THE PLAN AND EVERYTHING. AND WE STILL YET HAVE TO WORK THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS WITH TXDOT. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TAKING 18 ACRES OF OUR LAND KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE, YOU KNOW, AND SO THIS THIS KIND OF HELPS US, YOU KNOW, GET ON A LITTLE BIT MORE SURE FOOTING WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO DEFINE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WERE HOW WE'RE AFFECTED BY THIS. RIGHT NOW, IT'S DESTROYED OUR WHOLE INVESTMENT. BUT WE BELIEVE WE CAN RECOVER FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE ONLY GOING TO DO THAT. [00:15:03] BUT PUTTING A GOOD PRODUCT ON THE GROUND THAT YOU'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY WITH. WE KNOW THAT THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE. WE WERE GOING THAT DIRECTION WITH THE LARGER PROJECT. WE'RE VERY PROUD OF IT AND WE'VE GOT A LOT TO WORK WITH HERE. I MEAN, THAT GREEN SPACE CUTTING THROUGH THE MIDDLE THERE ACTUALLY WORKS OUT TO BE AN AMENITY, YOU KNOW, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN YOU DEVELOP AROUND IT CORRECTLY. SO ANYWAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, TXDOT HAS GIVEN YOU FOR A TIMELINE? DO THEY HAVE ANYTHING? WELL, WE'VE HAD ALL DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF FEEDBACK ON TIMELINE GOING FROM THAT THE COUNTIES ALREADY APPROVED SOME PURCHASE OF RIGHT AWAY FUNDING. TXDOT'S ONE OR TWO YEARS AWAY FROM BEGINNING THAT PROCESS. WE'VE SORT OF SUMMED IT UP IN OUR MINDS THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'LL BE TEN YEARS BEFORE WE'RE DEVELOPING COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON THAT FREEWAY FRONTAGE ROAD THAT, THAT AND IN THAT TEN YEARS IT'LL BE CONSTRUCTED. OBVIOUSLY, THEY'VE GOT TO ACQUIRE ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY AND DO EVERYTHING THEY'VE GOT TO DO. I ASSUME THEY HAVE FUNDING FOR IT NOW, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S GENERALLY AN ITEM. AGAIN, WE'VE HEARD ALL VARIATIONS OF TIMELINES. IT COULD BE SEVEN YEARS, BUT WE'RE THINKING IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE TEN. YEAH, YEAH. I NEED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THOSE COMMENTS. SO FIRST, THE PROPOSED ZONING IS CFC ALLOWS FOR NINE UNITS PER ACRE. THIS IS AN 80 ACRE TRACT, SO THAT 720 UNITS. SO IN REGARDS TO THE THOROUGHFARE, IN ORDER TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION SHOULD SHOULD BASE ANY TYPE OF DECISION ON TODAY. THAT'S NOT A THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO YOUR DECISION OR WHETHER IT'S RECOMMENDED, RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL TODAY, IT NEEDS TO BE SOLELY BASED ON THE PROPOSED LAND USE AND WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT FITS IN WITH, WITH OR WITHOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO. AND ORIGINALLY WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO DO WAS AND SORRY, THERE IS NO TIMELINE ON THE LIMITED ACCESS ROADWAY AND IT IS NOT FUNDED. SO IT'S KIND OF AN UNCERTAINTY AND WE REALLY WANTED TO COME IN AND ONLY ASK FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING ON THE PART THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL ON. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS WE'VE GOT TO PROVIDE A MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION OF THAT AREA. AND WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THEY YOU KNOW, THEY'VE SAID, OKAY, HERE'S YOUR SWATH THAT'S COMING THROUGH HERE, BUT THEY HAVEN'T LAID IT OUT ON A SURVEY AND SAID, HERE'S THE NORTHWEST, EAST AND ALL THAT FROM THAT. AND SO WE JUST COULDN'T DO IT. SO FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE CONSIDER MAYBE JUST ASKING FOR THE ZONING ON THE WHOLE PROPERTY, KNOWING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD 700 UNITS AND THAT LARGE THAT 18 ACRES TO THE MIDDLE AND THAT OTHER 18 ACRES ON THE TOP WILL NOT BE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL, ULTIMATELY. ULTIMATELY, IF WE HAD TRIED TO COME FORWARD AND SAY, HEY, LET'S DO THIS RESIDENTIAL AND THIS COMMERCIAL AGAIN, WE COULDN'T BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET THE [INAUDIBLE] DATA FROM TXDOT AND ALSO IT WOULD BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROJECT. THE MIXED USE WOULD BE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL. SO WE THOUGHT, LOOK, THIS WOULD SAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF WORK TO FIND OUT IF WE CAN JUST ESTABLISH A SPACE ZONING AND SEE IF WE CAN DESIGN THE PRODUCT THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE SATISFIED WITH, KNOWING THAT THAT'S THE HURDLE WE HAVE TO OVERCOME. MM HMM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE 380 ACCESS ROAD IS NOT AN IMMEDIATE CHANGE TO THIS, THEN WE'RE BASICALLY DOING AN SFZ PLACEHOLDER FOR 80 ACRES. AND HOPING THAT THE DEVELOPER KEEPS HIS WORD AND PUTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL WITH THAT AND I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I MEAN, WE'RE HERE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. I'M NOT SURE THAT 80 ACRES WORTH OF SFZ IS THE WAY TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE ZONING TODAY. ROBIN, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? SAME. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. BASED ON THE ZONING CHANGE, WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED SUBURBAN LIVING OR COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD? GREG. COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED SUBURBAN LIVING OR COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD OR URBAN LIVING BASED ON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SUBURBAN LIVING. ALTHOUGH IT'S ZERO LOT LINE, THERE'S ONLY ONE UNIT PER LOT. AND JUST LET ME CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT. THOSE ARE LAND USE SPECIFICATIONS THAT ARE THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO ROBIN IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. [00:20:07] AND THEY DON'T NECESSARILY ALIGN WITH THE ACTUAL IN ZONING ZONING DESIGNATIONS. SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A SLIGHT DIFFERENCE. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA AS SUBURBAN LIVING, WHICH GIVES A GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF SINGLE FAMILY. SINGLE FAMILY IS WHAT IT DOES. THANK YOU. MR. COOPER, DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT? THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM SOMEONE. LET'S CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 621. THANK YOU. I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY ZONING MAP AMENDMENT ZA20222382 ON THE BASIS THAT THERE'S STILL TOO MANY OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS TO THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE 80 ACRES. A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY, ACTUALLY, WE WILL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. ALL AYE VOTES ARE IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING DENIAL. MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL CARRIES THREE ONE. MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARING ZA20222383 ZONE MAP AMENDMENT DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION OR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST FROM EAST MELISSA LLC FOR A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT FOR A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT FOR A PROPERTY BEING A 104.613 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN THE RUFUS SEWELL SURVEY. ABSTRACT NUMBER 873 AND THE CARTER T CLIFF SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 162, CITY OF PRINCETON COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE FROM AGRICULTURE TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT B PD 38 OR 37. IF APPROVED, 38 EXCUSE ME. THE PROPOSED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT CONSISTS OF A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY FOR RENT AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. YOU CAN SEE HOW THE PROPERTY MAY DEVELOP IN THE ACCOMPANYING CONCEPT PLAN. UH. GET THAT ONTO THE SCREEN HERE. THIS CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND THIS PROPOSED PD IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE. THIS IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:24. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. HI, Y'ALL. I'M CAROL BYRD. I LIVE AT 7552 COUNTY ROAD. FOUR, SIX, SIX. HAVE FOR TEN YEARS. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE. UM, THANK YOU. SO YOUR ARROW, IF YOU GO UP INTO OK. THAT'S MY HOUSE RIGHT THERE. THAT'S MY HOUSE. SO YOU CAN TELL BY THE PICTURE THAT I WENT OUT OF MY WAY TO BUY A HOUSE THAT WAS WAY OFF THE ROAD. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S GOING TO BE A ROAD PUT IN RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE GOING DOWN THAT PROPERTY LINE. YEAH, RIGHT THERE. ALSO, MY NEIGHBORS HERE, THEIR HOUSE IS JUST BELOW RIGHT THERE. I DON'T HAVE MY THOUGHTS COMPLETELY TOGETHER BECAUSE I'M REALLY UPSET ABOUT THIS. UM, ARE YOU, CRAIG, THAT I TALKED TO ON THE PHONE TODAY? YOU ARE? OKAY, SO ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, I HAD 20 ACRES, YOU KNOW, AND [00:25:05] WE KNEW WHEN WE BOUGHT THERE THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AROUND US AND ALL THAT, BUT WE JUST FIGURED THAT WAS PART OF THE PRICE OF HAVING PROPERTY IN THE CITY IN WHAT WAS DEVELOPING. AND SURE ENOUGH, A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WE HAD A GUY COME OVER AND WANTED TO TALK TO US ABOUT GETTING AN EASEMENT ON OUR PROPERTY, AND HE SAT OUT ON OUR FABULOUS WRAPAROUND PORCH AND HE SAYS. WOW, WRAP AROUND PORCH. DON'T SEE VERY MANY OF THOSE IN TEXAS. AND I SAID, HMM, COULD THAT BE BECAUSE DEVELOPERS COME IN HERE AND CHOP EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY UP IN A TINY LITTLE PIECE AND NOBODY WANTS TO HAVE A FRONT PORCH WHERE YOU CAN SIT AND ENJOY TRAFFIC. SO HIS BOSS, WHO'S SITTING THERE SAID, NICE OPENING LINE, BRANDON. ANYWAY, HERE I AM. 15 YEARS LATER DEALING WITH THE SAME THING. AND SO WHEN WE MOVED OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY BE DEVELOPED. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. BUT I'M KIND OF HORRIFIED AT HOW HIGH THE DENSITY IS THAT'S GOING TO BE BACKING RIGHT UP TO MY BACK FENCE. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S COMPLETELY TREED RIGHT THERE. SO MUCH SO THAT WE REFER TO THAT AREA AS THE 100 ACRE WOOD FROM WINNIE THE POOH FAME. I WAS JUST OUT THERE THIS WEEK BECAUSE MY DONKEY ESCAPED AND THE NEXT MORNING WHEN I TOOK MY SHOWER, I HAD TWIGS IN MY HAIR BECAUSE. SO IT'S SO THICK YOU CAN'T WALK THROUGH IT. WHEN I MOVED OUT TO THE COUNTRY ORIGINALLY 20 YEARS AGO, I GAINED A HUGE APPRECIATION FOR ALL THE THINGS COUNTRY, TREES, OPEN SPACE, DARK SKIES, QUIET. LESS TRAFFIC. NATURE IN GENERAL. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE ALL THESE THINGS COULD BE MAXIMIZED, EVEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY BY THE DECISIONS THAT YOU ALL MAKE, YOU COULD MAXIMIZE WHAT'S AVAILABLE THERE. THERE'S SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL FAMILIARIZED YOURSELVES WITH DARK SKIES, BUT IT'S AN INITIATIVE TRYING TO BRING THE LIGHT POLLUTION DOWN AROUND THE WORLD. INSTEAD OF HAVING LIGHTS POINTING UP AND JUST WASTING INTO THE NOTHINGNESS AND CREATING A HUGE AMOUNT OF LIGHT POLLUTION THAT'S AFFECTING IT AFFECTS OUR PLANT LIVES, IT AFFECTS HUMANS, IT AFFECTS MIGRATING BIRDS AND ALL KINDS OF WILDLIFE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN'T BE RETROFITTED VERY EASILY. YOU CAN'T COME BACK IN AND TAKE DOWN STREET LIGHTS AND ALL THAT FOR A GOOD VALUE. BUT YOU ALL COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE BY REQUIRING THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENTS AROUND YOU. THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT I MEAN, IF YOU JUST LOOK IT UP, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN IMPLEMENT AT A DEVELOPMENT STAGE THAT CAN'T BE DONE LATER THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED BY EVERYONE AROUND. UM. IT'S TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PUT IN THERE, BUT THE TRAFFIC ON LONG NECK ROAD IS NOT. THERE'S A HUGE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET AND GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN LONG NECK ROAD. I MEAN, WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO DRIVE. 466. I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S NO PLANS IN THE WORKS TO WIDEN THE EITHER ONE OF THOSE RIGHT NOW. AND I JUST I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK WITH TRAFFIC. I JUST DON'T. I TALKED TO SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS AFTER THE LAST MEETING THAT WAS HERE, AND WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAME THINGS. MOST OF THEM COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. WE'RE ALL WORRIED ABOUT THE TREES THAT ARE JUST GOING TO GET MOWED DOWN. BUT THE NOISE WE HEAR IN OUR BEDROOM EVERY MORNING. BRIGHT AND EARLY ALREADY FROM WHERE WE ARE. IT'S JUST. IT'LL JUST. YEAH. IT'LL GROW EXPONENTIALLY AS DEVELOPMENT COMES ALONG. UM, I WONDERED ABOUT COMMUNICATION ON ALL THIS. YES, I GOT A LETTER ABOUT IT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM CRAIG THAT PEOPLE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE DEVELOPMENT RECEIVE LETTERS. MY NEIGHBOR DIDN'T. THAT ROAD IS GOING TO GO WITHIN, I DON'T KNOW, 15 FEET OF THEIR HOME. THEY SHOULD BE NOTIFIED. [00:30:02] IT SHOULD BE. A WIDER NET NEEDS TO BE THROWN WHEN YOU ALL ARE DEVELOPING SOMETHING IN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE 200 FEET IN THE COUNTRY IS LIKE FIVE PEOPLE. EIGHT, MAYBE TEN, MAYBE STRETCHING IT, WHEREAS THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO AFFECT PEOPLE FOR MILES AROUND WITH THE TRAFFIC, THE NOISE, THE LIGHT POLLUTION AND SO ON. EVERYTHING I'VE MENTIONED. UM. THE LINE I JUST HEARD ABOUT. THESE HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT FOR RENT. JUST HORRIFIES ME. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO ASK ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT I DON'T. I DON'T THINK I WOULD LIKE THAT EITHER. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT KIND OF COMMUNICATION IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE. TO US DIRECTLY FROM THE DEVELOPER. I'VE LIVED THROUGH THIS BEFORE, AS I MENTIONED, BECAUSE OUR HOUSE WAS VIRTUALLY SURROUNDED AND EVENTUALLY BULLDOZED, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A BRAND NEW HOUSE BECAUSE IT WAS ON EXCHANGE PARKWAY AND ALLEN. WHAT WE SOLD OUR PROPERTY FOR DIDN'T INCLUDE OUR HOME AT ALL. WE JUST GOT THROUGH REDOING OUR WHOLE ENTIRE EXTERIOR AFTER THE LAST HAILSTORM. MIGHT NOT HAVE DONE THAT IF I'D KNOWN THIS WAS ABOUT TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS DOES TO MY PROPERTY VALUES. IT DOESN'T. IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S A GOOD THING. AT THE VERY LEAST, I'D LIKE TO FEEL LIKE I HAD SOME COMMUNICATION COMING FROM THE DEVELOPER. AS TO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE TREES, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE FENCE? IS THERE GOING TO BE A WALL BUILT, A BRICK WALL AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD? OR THEY JUST GET TO MOW EVERY TREE DOWN LIKE THEY HAVE AT EVERY OTHER DEVELOPMENT. YOU SEE HOW MANY TREES ARE THERE? CAN THERE NOT BE A CUSHION OF TREES? BETWEEN ME AND THE REST OF THE WORLD. I JUST. I DON'T KNOW. I GUESS THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS WHEN I WAS TALKING THIS OVER WITH MY NEIGHBORS, I WAS LIKE, YOU CAN'T TELL OTHER PEOPLE WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. AND THEN I GOT TO THINKING ABOUT IT AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU GUYS DO. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT Y'ALL DO. YOU TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY, WHAT THEY CAN DO, WHAT THEY CAN'T DO. AND SO I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER. WHAT IT FEELS LIKE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, I'M SURE YOU ALL LIVE IN NICE HOMES AND NICE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH NICE VIEWS AND IT'S LIKE, PICK YOUR BEST VIEW. AND NOW IMAGINE THAT SOMEONE JUST ANNOUNCED TO YOU THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN A STRIP CLUB WITH NEON LIGHTS RIGHT THERE AT YOUR FRONT WINDOW, YOUR BACK WINDOW, WHATEVER'S YOUR BEST VIEW. THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE. AND ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DO TO MITIGATE THESE ISSUES I BROUGHT UP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. ALSO, I'M OUT OF TOWN NEXT WEEK, GOING TO CHECK ON MY HURRICANE HOUSE IN FLORIDA, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER MEETING THERE. I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE. DOESN'T MEAN I GAVE UP OR DON'T CARE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES. IS THERE ANY? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? IS IT ON? OKAY. MY NAME IS LAMAR MCDONALD. I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH MCDONALD ARCHITECTS OUT OF FORT WORTH, TEXAS, AND I AM SPEAKING JUST FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT. I REALIZE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS IN THE CITY LIMITS. WE'RE TRYING TO CONFORM TO WHAT THE CITY REQUIREMENTS ARE ON THE DESIGN FOR BOTH THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THE MULTIFAMILY. AS WITH ANY PROJECT WE DO HERE, WE WILL DO THE PHOTO METRICS TO AVOID THE LIGHT POLLUTION AND LIGHT SPILLAGE AND SO FORTH. WE WOULD AMEND TO WHATEVER BUFFERING FOR LANDSCAPING IS REQUIRED. I'M NOT AWARE IF I'M ADJACENT TO THIS LADY'S PROPERTY IS IN THE CITY LIMITS OR IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE COUNTY. BUT THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF AND I DON'T KNOW. PROBABLY NOT MANY BUFFER REQUIREMENTS REALLY BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL OR RESIDENTIAL OR AGRICULTURE. SO WE'VE DEVELOPED OUR DRAWINGS A LITTLE FURTHER. [00:35:07] THAT'S NOT UP ON YOUR SCREEN, BUT. CAN THIS SWITCH OVER. IS YOUR COMPUTER CONNECTED? YES, SIR. IT'S PLUGGED IN. THERE IT IS. OKAY, SO YOU'VE SEEN THE KIND OF HARD LINE DRAWINGS WE'VE CREATED BEFORE, AND WE'RE STARTING TO WORK WITH THIS, AND WE STILL ADHERE TO THE WATER EASEMENT THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH THE PROPERTY. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AMENITIES THERE, DOG PARKS AND BASEBALL, SOCCER FIELDS AND SO FORTH. WE'VE DEVELOPED SOME OF THE FLOODPLAIN INTO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PERCEIVE AS WALKING TRAILS, PARKS AND SO FORTH. THE BULK OF THE TREES THAT REMAIN IN THE FLOODPLAIN, WE'RE LEAVING ALONE. THAT'S A FLOODPLAIN. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO ALL OF THAT. SO, I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN BEFORE. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR ME MAY ARISE OR ANY CONCERNS. THE BEST THAT I CAN. MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'D BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU CONTINUE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE CAN ADDRESS ANY OF THE COMMISSION'S QUESTIONS AND PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. SO IT'S YOUR. I'M SORRY, I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT YOU CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT WE CAN WE CAN WE CAN AFTER THE PUBLIC HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, THAT WE CAN CONTINUE AND PROVIDE COMMENTS. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? GO AHEAD AND COME UP. I THINK THIS IS STILL ON. YES, IT IS. I'M STEPHANIE GREGORY AND I LIVE AT SEVEN 504 COUNTY ROAD, 466, WHICH IS THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S GOING TO END UP SHARING A NEW ROAD THAT'S GOING TO COME UP RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOUSE, LIKE TEN FEET FROM MY HOUSE IS THERE'S AN ACCESS ROAD TO LEAD TO THIS PROPERTY. ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS, OBVIOUSLY, THE TRAFFIC AMOUNT THERE'S A PRETTY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW ON 1827 COMING OFF OF 466. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A BIG I TAKE MY LITTLE GIRL WHO'S HERE TO SCHOOL EVERY MORNING AND THEN BRING HER HOME EVERY AFTERNOON. AND IT'S ALREADY PRETTY DANGEROUS CURVE. AND WITH THE NEW PROPERTY COMING ON AND EVEN IF YOU PUT A LIGHT AT HOUR, YOU'RE STILL COMING AROUND SOME BLIND CURVE. SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A CONCERN TO JUST WATCH. BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT. BUT THE THING THAT I THINK MAYBE YOU COULD HEAR IS THAT ALONG THE FENCE LINE OF THIS PROPERTY AND THEN ALONG THE ROAD, THE PROPOSED ROAD, THERE IS A HUGE WASH RUNOFF AND IT'S A NATURAL RUNOFF. AND ON BOTH SIDES OF THE RUNOFF ARE 100 YEAR OLD TREES THAT ARE HOLDING THAT KIND OF IN PLACE. AND THEN DOWN BY OUR HOUSE, THE TREES THAT ARE ON OUR SIDE ARE PROTECTED BY US, BUT THAT THERE'S TREES JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE, THAT IF YOU'RE BUILDING A ROAD, THERE WOULD REALLY BE NO REASON AT ALL TO TAKE THEM DOWN. BUT TYPICALLY, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING ANYBODY CARES ABOUT. SO I GUESS I'M ASKING IF THERE'S LIKE A CERTAIN SIZE TREE THAT THERE'S I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF. RULES TO TRY TO SAVE OLD TREES. YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST CONSIDER THAT. AND I KNOW AS AN ARCHITECT, I HAVE A BEST FRIEND WHO'S AN ARCHITECT. AND HE LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY BEFORE AND HE HAD SOME GREAT IDEAS. BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MAXIMIZE SOMEBODY'S DOLLARS TO BUILD IT AS BEAUTIFUL AS HE WAS GOING TO. SO MY POINT IS JUST WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE PEOPLE AROUND AND HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND I HAVE RENT HOUSES AS WELL, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE RIGHT NOW. AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING A RENT HOUSE. BUT WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IN CITIES IS THAT BUILDERS FIND A VERY CHEAP PIECE OF LAND IN A NEW CITY. THIS IS AN OLD CITY, BUT IT'S A NEW CITY TO MOST PEOPLE. AND THEY COME IN AND THEY BUY IT AND THEY MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND THEN THEY LEAVE. AND TEN YEARS LATER, THE CITY DOESN'T LOOK VERY NICE. [00:40:03] AND YOU SEE AREAS WHERE, LIKE MCKINNEY'S DONE SOME CERTAIN REGIONS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG, LONG TIME, BUT THEY'RE STILL BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE THEY KEPT SOME NATURAL TREES AND SOME THINGS. AND YEAH, MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE MADE MORE MONEY IF THEY HAD CUT DOWN MORE TREES. SO I'M JUST ASKING, IS PEOPLE PROTECTING OUR FUTURE? BECAUSE I HAVE A LITTLE GIRL WHO WANTS TO LIVE IN PRINCETON HER WHOLE LIFE. SO ANYWAY, I WANT YOU TO MAKE IT PRETTY. IT'S MY REQUEST AND ALSO HAVE SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT THE WASH. BECAUSE WHEN YOU TAKE NOW ON THAT SIDE, IS IT GOING TO FORCE US TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS DONE ON THAT SIDE OF THE FENCE? THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT, TOO. SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MISS GREGORY, WERE YOU THE NEIGHBOR THAT DIDN'T RECEIVE NOTICE? I DID NOT RECEIVE NOTICE. THANK. NO, I HAD NO IDEA. BUT LUCKILY, WE'RE FRIENDS AND. SHE KNOWS MY MOTHER. I LIVE WITH MY MOTHER WHO'S ABOUT TO RETIRE. AND IT WAS HER RETIREMENT HOME. AND NOW THE STREET IS GOING TO BE FROM LIKE ME. THIS IS STANDING ON HER PORCH AND YOU GUYS WOULD BE THE NEW ROAD AND THERE'S TREES IN BETWEEN, BUT WE ONLY HAVE SOME OF THEM. SO IT'S SUPER CLOSE TO OUR HOUSE. SO WE'RE WE WERE REALLY HOPING SOME OF THE TREES WOULD BE KEPT TO HELP PROTECT US FROM THE ROAD. SO IT'S OUR HOPE. THANK YOU. SORRY I LEFT OUT ONE THING I REALLY MEANT TO ASK, AND THAT IS JUST DOES THAT ROAD EVEN HAVE TO BE THERE? IT. I MEAN. THE HOUSE IS WAY TOO MANY FOR MY COMFORT LEVEL, BUT AT LEAST WE EXPECTED THAT TO HAPPEN SOME DAY. WE NEVER CONSIDERED THAT KATHY AND KEVIN WOULD SELL. I PUT, YOU KNOW, PUT A ROAD RIGHT, RIGHT BEHIND, RIGHT BEHIND OUR HOUSE. SO I JUST I'M JUST ASKING, DOES IT HAVE TO BE THERE? CRAIG AND SEAN. AM I CORRECT THAT TONIGHT'S VOTE IS MERELY THE ZONING CHANGE, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT ALL OF THESE ALL ALL THE ISSUES, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED REGARDING ANY KIND OF BARRIERS, ANY KIND OF ROADS, ANY KIND OF TREE REMOVAL, NON REMOVAL, ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD COME AT FUTURE. YES. WITH THE MEETINGS, WITH THE WITH THE PLAT DESIGNS AND EVERYTHING. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE'S NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, I WOULD ASK YOU TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:43. I JUST I WANT TO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE VOTE TONIGHT IS JUST THE ZONING CHANGE. IF YOU ALLOW ME, I'M GOING TO TRY TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THIS AS I EXPECT I'M GOING TO BE EXPLAINING THIS AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AS WELL. YOU MIGHT AS WELL GET MY PRACTICE HERE. GO AHEAD. SO. SO FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR THE COMMISSION, THE REASONS THIS THIS ZONING CHANGE IS IS THE RESULT OF A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS HOW THIS TAKES PLACE. YEARS AGO, YEARS AGO, ALL THE HOME RULE CITIES HAD THE ABILITY TO GO OUT AND INDEX PROPERTIES. YOU KNOW, THE MCKINNEY'S OF THE WORLD, THE WIRELESS, EVERYTHING ELSE. WELL, PRINCETON WAS NOT A HOME RULE CITY, SO WE DID NOT HAVE THOSE ABILITIES TO ANNEX PROPERTIES AND GET PROPERTIES WITHIN WITHIN THE CITY SO THAT THEY HAD TO FOLLOW OUR REGULATIONS. SO AND SINCE THE LEGISLATURE HAS LEGISLATURE HAS TAKEN THE ABILITY AWAY FROM MUNICIPALITIES TO ANNEX PROPERTY, ALMOST ALL PROPERTY NOWADAYS HAS TO BE ANNEXED VIA VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION. SO THAT PUTS THE CITY OF PRINCETON IN A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION. LIMITS THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH DEVELOPERS. SO WE WE HAVE TO. BASICALLY ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF PRINCETON HAS TO BE NEGOTIATED AND WE HAVE TO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS TO TRY TO TRY TO GET SOME SENSE OF LAND USE THAT WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THIS COMING INTO A VIA DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THE DEVELOPERS, THIS SET FORTH THE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER. HE ANNEXED THE PROPERTY IN THE CITY LIMITS SPECIFIED THE LAND, USE REGULATIONS ON THE PROPERTY, SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND THIS ZONING REQUEST IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT. SO REGARDLESS WHETHER YOU WHETHER YOU WERE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL TONIGHT AND IF THE COUNCIL WAS TO WAS TO WAS TO GO ON AND AGREE WITH YOUR DENIAL AND DENIED THE REQUEST, IT DOES NOT STOP THE DEVELOPER FROM PROCEEDING WITH THEIR [00:45:07] DEVELOPMENT. THESE PROPERTIES ARE ALL STILL WITHIN OUR WATER AND SEWER [INAUDIBLE] WE ARE 100% OBLIGATED TO SERVE THESE PROPERTIES, ALL WHILE THE DEVELOPER OR ANY OTHER DEVELOPER TO DEVELOP OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS AND NOT SUBJECT TO ANY OF OUR REGULATIONS. THE PARK REQUIREMENTS, ALL THE ALL THE LAND USE THE TREES, LANDSCAPING, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WE THAT WE STRIVE TO INCLUDE IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS WOULD BE UNENFORCEABLE AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROCEED WITH LIMITED TO NO RESTRICTIONS. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THIS PROCESS TAKES PLACE. AND LIKE I SAID, THIS THIS THIS DEVELOPMENT OR THIS ZONING IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE PUT IN WHEN WE'RE NEGOTIATING THESE THESE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS. THE THE ROAD THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT PART OF THE PART OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IT'S PROBABLY WHY THE LADY DIDN'T DIDN'T GET NOTIFIED. IT IS REQUIRED BECAUSE THIS DEVELOPMENT NEEDS A SECOND ENTRANCE. THE THE DEVELOPER OBTAINED THIS AND HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THAT LANDOWNER THAT SOLD IT TO THEM. SO THAT'S KIND OF BEYOND OUR CONTROL. THAT'S WHAT HE OBTAINED FOR HIS FOR HIS SECOND MEANS OF EGRESS OUT OF THIS OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE WILL SEEK TO SEEK COMPLIANCE FOR ALL OF OUR LANDSCAPING AND TREE ORDINANCES. WE DO HAVE WE DO HAVE A TREE ORDINANCE THAT DEFINES GRAND TREES 24 INCHES AND LARGER. AND WE ENCOURAGE THE ENCOURAGE THOSE TO TO STAY AND DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THOSE THOSE STAY. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THIS IS THIS IS MOVING FORWARD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND IF IT WERE TO BE DENIED, IT DOES NOT STOP THE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU, SEAN. YEAH, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'VE THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE RUN INTO THIS. IT'S A IT'S A DAMNED IF YOU DO, DAMNED IF YOU DON'T. SITUATION. THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON THE EDGE OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY ENDS UP. MY UNDERSTANDING AND THE WAY SEAN HAS EXPLAINED IT TO ME IN THE PAST, IT'S WE EITHER THE CITY EITHER DECIDES TO ANNEX IN THESE PROPERTIES AND TRY TO KEEP THE DEVELOPER IN CONFORMITY WITH OUR ORDINANCES AND REGULATIONS OR WE DON'T, AND THEY DO THE SAME THING ANYWAY. SO THE BENEFIT OF ANNEXING IS, OF COURSE, NUMBER ONE, THE TAX REVENUE. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, WHEN THEY COME BACK WITH THE PLATS EXCUSE ME AND THE DESIGNS THAT WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF INPUT AS FAR AS SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT THAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE MAYBE THE BUFFERS AND THE TREES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE ZERO CONTROL ON THAT. SO IT'S BASICALLY THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY. THE BEST THING FOR THE CITY REALLY IS TO PULL THEM INTO THE CITY LIMITS, REAP THE BENEFITS OF THE TAX REVENUE, AND HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL OVER HOW THEY DO IT. SO JUST TO BE. CLEAR. ANYONE ELSE. WITH THESE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, SEAN AND CRAIG DOES THE CITY EVER CAN CONSIDER OFFERING INCENTIVES TO HAVE S.F. 1 AND THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS IN LIEU OF THESE HIGH DENSITY WE KEEP SEEING OVER AND OVER, WE WE DO SOMETIMES WORK WITH DEVELOPERS AND THERE'S SOMETIMES WE OFFER PIDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHICH ARE ADDITIONAL FINANCING TO DEVELOPERS. THIS DEVELOPER, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT A PID, THERE IS NO PID ON THIS. SO THERE IS THERE IS NO INCENTIVES. HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO 100% COMPLY WITH WITH WITH OUR REGULATIONS OUT THERE. SO THOSE THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE DO OFFER THOSE OR WE DO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS AND PROVIDE THOSE INCENTIVES, WE LOOK FOR, YOU KNOW, ELEVATED PRODUCTS, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THIS ONE HAS NO NO OTHER INCENTIVES ATTACHED TO IT. THANK YOU. MS.. FORSYTH OR MR. COOPER. QUESTIONS. COMMENTS. [00:50:02] IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT ZA20222383. I'LL SECOND THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE NOTE THAT I KNOW WHEN THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT COMES THROUGH, WE HAVE SOME THINGS WE WANT TO LOOK AT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN BE ADDRESSED AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE THAT COMES TO US, BUT THE LIGHT POLLUTION, TREES, TRAFFIC STUDY AND JUST THE GENERAL NOISE OF THIS D EVELOPMENT. GOES WITH MY SECOND. HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER COOPER. AYE. COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL. AYE. COMMISSIONER FORSYTH. AYE. I WILL BE AN AYE VOTE. MOTION CARRIES FOUR ZERO AND I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AND WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF THAT STUFF WHEN THIS GETS FURTHER DOWN THE LINE. INFORMATION NEXT MEETING, NOVEMBER THE 21ST, 2022. [INFORMATION] NUMBER 2 CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA AND NOT FOR DISCUSSION OF THESE REQUESTS AT THIS TIME. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA? CRAIG, DID YOU GET TO LOOK INTO THAT ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT ZONING. FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT? ACCESSORY DWELLING. YES. I HAVE BEGUN TO DO SOME RESEARCH, BUT I'M NOT FINISHED, SO I'LL PUT THAT ON TO SPEAK IN NOVEMBER. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. IS EVERYBODY GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR THE 21ST MEETING. THAT'S THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING. I WILL BE. OKAY. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON ONGOING PRODUCTS, PROJECTS OR ANY UPDATES ON ONGOING PROJECTS? I'M HERE, SO I'LL. I'LL TRY TO UPDATE YOU ON ANYTHING I CAN. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET BEACHUM OPEN PRETTY SOON. PARTS OF IT ARE KIND OF SEMI-OPEN ALREADY, SO. I'LL TRY TO [INAUDIBLE] 60 DAYS. I SAW 60 DAYS SOMEWHERE YESTERDAY. SIR. YOU TALKING ABOUT BEECHAM? I SAW 60 DAYS. DOES THAT SOUND OKAY? 60 DAYS? I SAW. I SAW IT WAS OPENING. BEECHAM WAS 60 DAYS OUT. OH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM. SO THAT'S SOMEWHERE? YEAH. WE'RE WAITING ON SOME TRAFFIC SIGNAL EQUIPMENT AT 380, SO WE CAN'T REALLY OPEN IT UNTIL WE GET THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT 380. AND THAT'S KIND OF A KIND OF A DIFFICULT THING TO COORDINATE. THERE'S SOME EQUIPMENT THAT'S GOT TO BE PUT UP THERE SO THE SIGNALS CAN COME ON AT THE RIGHT TIME. AS SOON AS AS SOON AS WE GET THAT UP. WELL, I THINK OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S PRETTY WELL READY TO OPEN. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE NORTH. WE'LL OPEN THE NORTH SIDE. I THINK IT'S ALREADY KIND OF OPEN ON THE WAY ON THE WAY TO THE NORTH. IT'S ALREADY OPEN, BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL EQUIPMENT UP BEFORE WE CAN OPEN IT AND HEADED SOUTH. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES FOUR ZERO. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.