[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:02] OKAY, WE WILL. GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF PRINCETON SPECIAL MEETING AUGUST 28TH. ROLL CALL. PLEASE SILENCE ALL CELL PHONES AND STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. ALLEGIANCE] PUBLIC APPEARANCE. SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO RESPOND TO OR TO DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS SECTION THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A SPEAKER'S INQUIRY OR TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO ANY INQUIRY INQUIRY. DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING THE PUBLIC? APPEARANCE SECTION. THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA] ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COMMISSIONER SO REQUESTS IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED IN ITS NORMAL SEQUENCE ON THE AGENDA. ITEMS IN THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT ARE THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 24TH P AND Z MEETING. FINAL PLAT FP 20190413. WHITE WING TRAILS PHASE TWO A AND FINAL PLAT FP 20232393. SOUTH RIDGE PHASE ONE. IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION OF ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES, FOUR ZERO. EXCUSE ME, TAKES US TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. [REGULAR AGENDA] FIRST ITEM PL 20232188. PRELIMINARY PLAT. MORNING RIDGE PHASES TWO AND THREE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AND RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST FROM FORESTAR USA REAL ESTATE GROUP INC FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A PROPERTY BEING A 39.37 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN THE SERRA DE TERRY SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 890. CITY OF PRINCETON COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS. GOOD EVENING COMMISSION, CRAIG FISHER WITH THE CITY OF PRINCETON. THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS FOR PHASES TWO AND THREE OF THE MORNING RIDGE DEVELOPMENT, JUST NORTH OF THE EXISTING PHASE ONE. THIS IS IN THE VICINITY OF HARPER ELEMENTARY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CITY. THE PRELIMINARY PLAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE CITY'S ENGINEER AND IS FOUND TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE CITY'S REGULATIONS. THIS ITEM IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE TO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY PLAT PL 20232188. SECOND. HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. SAY AYE? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES, FOUR ZERO. SECOND ITEM. PL20232391. PRELIMINARY PLAT PRINCETON 20. [00:05:06] DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION AND RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST FROM PRINCETON 20, LLC FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A PROPERTY BEING A 20.02 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN THE JOHN SNYDER SURVEY. ABSTRACT NUMBER 865, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS. SO THIS REQUEST IS FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HAZELWOOD STREET TO THE EAST OF AVALON DRIVE. THIS PROPERTY IS NOT WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY'S ETJ OR EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION. AS SUCH, THIS PROPERTY IS ONLY SUBJECT TO THE CITY'S SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. STAFF'S AND CITY'S ENGINEER HAVE REVIEWED THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND HAVE FOUND IT TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE CITY SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. THIS ITEM IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. DO WANT TO NOTE THAT BEING THAT IT'S IN THE ETJ, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE. I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE, WHICH FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S WHY THERE WAS NO REQUIREMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING OR NOTICES TO BE GIVEN TO ADJACENT RESIDENTS. CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. MR. BROWN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO? DAVID BROWN 14881 QUORUM DRIVE. DALLAS, TEXAS. 75254. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. COULD YOU JUST KIND OF GIVE US A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF OF KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE HEADED WITH THIS AND MAYBE STEPS THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY TAKEN TO MAYBE EASE THE TRANSITION FOR THESE ADJACENT SFE LOTS? SURE. SO AGAIN, PROPOSED USE IS MULTIFAMILY. CERTAINLY TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE ADJACENT AND EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. IF YOU LOOK AT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, AGAIN, THIS IS OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS. CITY OF PRINCETON ZONING ORDINANCE CONTEMPLATES THAT WHEN MULTIFAMILY IS DEVELOPED ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY, THERE'S A 60 FOOT SETBACK. I CAN GET YOU THE EXACT NUMBER FROM THE ARCHITECT, BUT WE'RE PROBABLY 70 TO 80FT OFF THE WEST PROPERTY LINE. AGAIN, ZONING DOESN'T APPLY. CITY OF PRINCETON ZONING ORDINANCE INDICATES MF2 THREE STORY 45 FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO OBSERVE THAT MAXIMUM INFORMALLY. AGAIN, THIS COULD BE FOUR STORIES, SURFACE PARKED, MULTIFAMILY PRODUCT. WE JUST DIDN'T FEEL THAT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE ADJACENCIES. WHAT IS NOT SHOWN THIS EVENING IS ANY OF THE LANDSCAPING. WE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE TO ADD AND WANT TO ADD ENHANCED LANDSCAPING ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE. PRIVACY IS IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THOSE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS THAT ARE LIVING THERE TODAY, AND IT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO THE APARTMENT RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW. SO THAT'S A SHARED GOAL. SO I THINK SOME TYPE OF FENCING, YOU KNOW, TREES, THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. I DON'T HAVE THOSE DETAILS TO SHARE THIS EVENING, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION AS IT COMES ABOUT. DID YOU SAY IT WAS A FOUR STORY COMPLEX? NO, WE'RE PROPOSING THREE STORY 45FT, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH CITY OF PRINCETON GUIDELINES. EVEN THOSE THOSE ARE NOT APPLICABLE. JUST I WAS TRYING TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER SUTTON'S QUESTION AS FAR AS WHAT WE'VE KIND OF DONE TO BE SENSITIVE. AND SO WE'RE WATCHING OUR HEIGHT, WE'RE WATCHING OUR DENSITY, AND WE'RE WATCHING OUR SETBACKS. IN THE ONE OF THE PRELIMINARY PLOTS. LET'S SEE WHICH PAGE THIS IS. IT SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE A BLOCK ONE A LOT, ONE BLOCK ONE AND A LOT TWO. BLOCK ONE ARE THOSE WHERE THE THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES WILL BE. AND THEN THIS OTHER TEN FOOT EASEMENT OR THIS LITTLE L-SHAPED SECTION, IS THAT JUST UTILITY AND DRAINAGE EASEMENTS? YEAH. AND THIS ONE ON THE. SO THAT'S YOUR UTILITY AND ACCESS FIRE LANE. AND THEN CRAIG, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE YOU WERE SHOWING, THOSE ARE YOUR BUILDING FOOTPRINTS. YOU CAN SEE THERE THAT LINE THE LOT ONE AND BLOCK ONE LOT ONE BLOCK TWO. THIS WILL BE A TWO PHASE. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 540 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY CONTEMPLATED OVER TWO DIFFERENT PHASES. [00:10:28] ANY QUESTIONS? DOWN THIS WAY? YEAH. THINK OUT LOUD. MR. BROWN, IS THERE ANY. I'M SURE IT'LL COME UP MAYBE BY RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY AT THE ADJOINING LOTS. IS IT. IS IT FIXED IN ON A PLAN OF OF THREE STORIES, OR WOULD THERE BE A SITUATION WHERE IT MIGHT BE A TWO STORY STRUCTURE ON THAT? LET'S SEE. WEST SIDE WHERE IT BACKS UP TO THE SFE LOTS. I DON'T FORESEE TWO STORY BEING FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE, JUST GIVEN DEVELOPMENT ECONOMICS, I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE AT THAT THREE STORY AGAIN. FOUR STORY IS PROBABLY EVEN MORE ADVANTAGEOUS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO. AGAIN, TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU. LOOKING AT PAGE FIVE OF NINE ON EXHIBIT B, I KEEP FOCUSING BACK OVER THERE ON THAT THAT AVALON SIDE. WHAT IS THIS COVERED PARKING THAT'S ALONG THAT BOUNDARY. SO THIS IS SURFACE PARK. EVERYTHING WILL BE AT GRADE AND THERE WILL BE COVERED PARKING. NOT ALL THE PARKING WILL BE COVERED, BUT A GOOD PORTION OF IT WILL BE. WE'LL ALSO HAVE ALONG THE BUILDINGS ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, THERE'LL BE FIRST FLOOR GARAGES OR TUCK UNDER PARKING SPACES, SO THERE WON'T BE MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON THE FIRST FLOOR FOR THOSE BUILDINGS. OKAY, SO THEN THAT IS PARKING FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY. BUILDING THAT ARE RIGHT THERE. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. WERE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS BY YOUR OUTFIT OR THE LANDOWNER ON OTHER APPLICABLE USE CASES FOR THIS PIECE OF LAND? OR WAS IT FOUND THAT IT WAS NOT SUITABLE FOR ANY OTHER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT? BASED ON CONVERSATIONS, THERE WAS A BROKER INVOLVED ON THIS LAND TRANSACTION. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A MANUFACTURED HOUSING DEVELOPER THAT WAS INTERESTED, BUT GIVEN THE PRICING, I THINK IT WAS EITHER THAT USE OR A MULTIFAMILY USE. I KNOW THAT WHAT MAY BE PREFERRED WOULD BE A SINGLE FAMILY LAND USE, BUT AGAIN, FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, JUST NOT FEASIBLE. YOU KNOW THE QUESTIONS. MR. SUTTON, IF I MAY, I'D JUST LIKE TO REITERATE THAT WE ARE REALLY ONLY LOOKING AT THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND HOW IT APPLIES TO THIS LAND. AND THIS DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL IS MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. THEY'RE IMPROVING THEIR SHARE OF HAZELWOOD STREET, UPGRADING IT TO A CONCRETE ROAD. THE PROPOSED UTILITY ALIGNMENT MEETS OUR CITY ORDINANCE. FIRE MARSHAL HAS REVIEWED IT. IT MEETS ALL APPLICABLE ORDINANCES. OKAY. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. THANK YOU, DAVID. ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION PROBABLY FOR YOU, CRAIG. AND IN OUR ORDINANCE, THAT DOES REQUIRE SOME SORT OF WALL BETWEEN THE ESTATES, DOES IT NOT? NO, THAT'S PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH DOES NOT APPLY BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL ON BOTH SIDES. IT HASN'T BEEN COMMERCIAL. WE NORMALLY HAVE A MASONRY WALL, BUT NOT IF THE PROPERTY WERE IN CITY LIMITS. A MASONRY WALL WOULD BE REQUIRED IN BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE ZONING, SO IT DOES NOT APPLY. OKAY. MY HOPE, MY HOPE WOULD BE MOVING FORWARD ON THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD THAT WOULD BE THAT WE KIND OF TRY TO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH MR. BROWN AND MAYBE DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS, LIKE THE THINGS THAT HE'S ALREADY DONE THAT HE HASN'T NECESSARILY HE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO, [00:15:05] LIKE MAYBE SOME KIND OF MASONRY DIVIDING WALL. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE HOUSES ADJACENT THAT DO HAVE BOARD ON BOARD PRIVACY FENCES. THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE BARBED WIRE BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN PASTURE LAND FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS. SO THAT'S MY HOPE MOVING FORWARD THAT WE CAN HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. BROWN ON SOME OF SOME OF THAT STUFF LIKE THAT. BEFORE WE GO TO ANY MOTION, MR. FISHER, COULD YOU CLARIFY FOR ME AGAIN BECAUSE MAYBE I'M NOT WRAPPING MY MIND AROUND IT. SO IT'S CURRENTLY IN THE ETJ, IT'S OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS. THE OWNER OR ANY DEVELOPER FOR THAT MATTER, COULD QUITE LITERALLY DEVELOP IT IN ANY WAY THEY SEE FIT. AM I CORRECT IN THAT ASSUMPTION? YES. AS FAR AS LAND USE IS CONTROL, THE CITY HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER THE LAND USE. SO YES, ANY TYPE OF USE COULD BE BUILT THERE. THE ONLY JURISDICTION WE HAVE IS OVER SUBDIVISION, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. OKAY. SO IT COULD IT COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A MOBILE HOME PARK OR A JIFFY LUBE OR SOMETHING. AND IF IT WASN'T A SUBDIVISION TYPE, WE WOULD HAVE ZERO SAY IN IT ANYWAY, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. ANY ANY KIND OF LAND USE HOUSING, COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURING, INDUSTRIAL, ANYTHING OF THAT SORT COULD BE BUILT THERE WITHOUT THE CITY. DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT. DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY INTENTION IN ANNEXATION OF THIS PROPERTY? ANNEXATION IS VOLUNTARY. THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO REQUEST ANNEXATION, BUT WE CANNOT REQUIRE IT. OKAY. SO WE CANNOT REQUIRE IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL. WE ARE SIMPLY VOTING ON A RECOMMENDATION OR WE'RE SIMPLY RECOMMENDING PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THAT'S IT. OKAY. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THEN. OKAY. SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. WELL I TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PRELIMINARY PLAT PL 20232391. HAVE A MOTION DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THE MOTION, BUT I WILL SAY I DON'T PERSONALLY CARE FOR THIS, BUT IT IS IN ACCORDANCE AND CONFORMANCE WITH CITY STANDARDS, SO I WILL SECOND IT. I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES FOUR ZERO. INFORMATION NEXT MEETING. [INFORMATION] MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2023. NUMBER TWO, CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA AND NOT FOR DISCUSSION OF THESE REQUESTS AT THIS TIME. ANYONE ON THAT? MR. FISHER, I WOULD LIKE TO SET ASIDE SOME TIME NEXT MEETING TO DISCUSS OPEN SEATS. I'M NOT ACTIVE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT MY WIFE CONVEYS MESSAGES TO ME AND APPARENTLY THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIZENS IN THE CITY THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE INTERESTED IN SERVING THE COMMUNITY AND IN THIS CAPACITY. SO IF THEY ARE OUT THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS GETTING SOME OF THESE OPEN SEATS FILLED. OKAY, NOTED. I'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. SHERRY WERE YOU REACHING? NO. OKAY. UM. ANYONE LOOKING FOR ANY UPDATE OF ANY ONGOING PROJECTS FROM CRAIG? IS THERE ANY MOVEMENT ON THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S OVER THERE BY WALMART? I KNOW THEY HAD TO CHANGE CONTRACTORS. I'M NOT SURE OF THE STATUS, BUT I KNOW THEY'RE THEY'RE WORKING OUT THEIR LEGAL ISSUES AND I THINK THEY HAVE A NEW CONTRACTOR ON STANDBY, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. OKAY WITH THAT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION. A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR. SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES, FOUR ZERO. WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.