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PLEASE SILENCE ALL CELL PHONES AND STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
FOR THE RECORD, WE HAVE FIVE COMMISSIONERS HERE, SO WE HAVE A QUORUM.
WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE MEETING.
MOVE TO THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE PORTION.
SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO RESPOND OR TO DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS SECTION THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A SPEAKER'S INQUIRY, OR TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO ANY INQUIRY.
WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE PORTION.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[D. CONSENT AGENDA]
ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COMMISSIONER, SO REQUESTS IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED IN ITS NORMAL SEQUENCE ON THE AGENDA.
CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT ARE THE MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH'S MEETING NOVEMBER 18TH, 2024.
THEN. ITEM FP20232393 FINAL PLAT SOUTH RIDGE PHASE THREE.
AND ALSO ITEM FP20231063 FINAL PLAT WEST RIDGE PHASE ONE A.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS IS.
I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
WHICH ITEM FOR BOTH ITEMS FP20232393 AND FP20231063, BOTH OF THE FINAL PLATS.
OKAY. FOR WHAT REASON? THERE WAS A FEW DIFFERENT REASONS.
NUMBER ONE I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ENGINEERS THAT ARE ON THE PROJECT.
ALSO ABOUT THE ABSENCE OF DRAINAGE PLANS FOR THESE, FOR BOTH OF THESE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE REQUIRED. OKAY.
HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? I'LL SECOND IT.
OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
WE'LL DO A. WELL, COLE, CAN YOU OPEN THE VOTING, PLEASE? THE ONLINE VOTING STILL ISN'T UP, SO WE'LL HAVE TO DO IT THE OLD FASHIONED WAY.
OKAY, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
ITEMS D2 AND D3 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE MOVED TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM E.1 SUP20243061.
[E. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUB ZIPLINE.
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION.
RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST FROM WALMART.
GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION COLE DAVENPORT, PLANNER.
THE HUB IS LOCATED ROUGHLY 293FT FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANTS HERE, AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION PREPARED FOR Y'ALL.
OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. DAVENPORT. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:35, AND WE CAN START BY HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT.
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JUST A POWER BUTTON AT THE BASE OF THAT MICROPHONE.GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS CAROLYN COOK WITH KIMLEY-HORN.
MY ADDRESS IS 6160 WARREN PARKWAY IN FRISCO.
AND THEN WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY ZIPLINE HERE ON HOW THE ACTUAL DRONE DELIVERY WORKS.
SO HERE ON THE SITE PLAN, THE WAY THIS WORKS IS WE HAVE KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT SPACES ON THE SITE.
AND THEN IN RED OVER IN THE LANDSCAPE AREA IS WHERE THEY THEY GO TO CHARGE.
THERE'S A DOUBLE DOCK SYSTEM WHERE THEY LOAD ON TOWERS AND CHARGE FROM THERE.
SO WE HAVE THE CHARGING IN A LANDSCAPE AREA WHERE THERE'S EXISTING TREES AND THERE WILL ALSO BE AN EIGHT FOOT ORNAMENTAL FENCE AND THEN WE CHOSE THE AREA IN GREEN BECAUSE WE LIKE TO KEEP IT CLOSE TO A DOOR.
SO THE DISTANCE FOR ASSOCIATES IN AND OUT AS WELL AS RESTROOMS IS CLOSE.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE SOME PARKING WHERE WE'RE SHOWING IT IN GREEN, BUT RESTRIPING PARKING THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE SITE TO GET US BACK TO THE EXISTING PARKING COUNT.
WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SITE PLAN BEFORE I HAND IT OVER TO ZIPLINE? WHAT? WHAT EXACTLY? SAY AGAIN. WHAT'S THE AREA SHADED IN GREEN? THE GREEN ARE THE TWO TOWERS WHERE THE DRONES WILL ACTUALLY BE LOADED WITH THE GOODS AND THEN THEY WILL TAKE OFF TO BE DELIVERED TO THE HOUSES.
OKAY AND THE RED SHADED AREA IS WHAT? JUST WHERE THEY GO TO CHARGE.
OKAY. SO THE 293FT IS THAT FROM THE GREEN SHADED AREA TO THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY? OR IS THAT THE RED? IT'S FROM THE GREEN AREA.
FROM THE GREEN AREA TO THE RESIDENCE? YES THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY AND I GUESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM QUESTION IS, WITH THE ORDINANCE BEING 300FT, IF YOU'RE AT 293, WHY COULDN'T YOU? WAS THERE A REASON YOU COULDN'T MOVE THE EXTRA SEVEN FEET TO BE WITHIN ORDINANCE? SO THE DRIVE AISLE THERE BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND WHERE WE'RE SHOWING IT IN GREEN.
SO BY DOING SO, WE RESTRICT THAT DRIVE AISLE PAST WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BY [INAUDIBLE].
THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS I HAVE SO FAR.
WHAT WAS THE HEIGHT OF THEM AGAIN? I WILL LET ZIPLINE ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR YOU.
AND CONNOR WILL DO A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING KIND OF THE NOISE AND HOW THIS WORKS.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET YOU ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT SEVEN FOOT VARIANCE.
I'LL PASS IT OVER TO CONNOR. SURE.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO ADDRESS THIS WITHOUT TURNING IT OFF LIKE I DID LAST TIME.
IT'S A LITTLE TOUCHY. HOW ARE YOU ALL TONIGHT? GOOD. ALL RIGHT.
AS MENTIONED, MY NAME IS CONNOR WILKINSON.
I WORK FOR ZIPLINE DRONE DELIVERY.
OUR ADDRESS IS 333 QUARRY WAY IN SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO.
SO IF TODAY IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE HEARING OF US, I'D BE SLIGHTLY SURPRISED.
BUT I'M ALSO HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO THIS IS A MAP THAT SHOWS A GOOD KIND OF REPRESENTATION OF ALL THE PLACES THAT WE OPERATE IN.
SO MULTIPLE COUNTRIES, AS WELL AS MULTIPLE EXISTING STATES WITH MANY ADDITIONAL ONES ANNOUNCED.
SO WHY ZIPLINE? OFTENTIMES THIS IS DISCUSSED BY LIKE OUR WALMART ASSOCIATES AS THE INTRODUCTION.
WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF E-COMMERCE, THAT STARTED TO GO DOWN TO A WEEK, TWO DAYS, ONE DAY.
SAME DAY, ZIPLINE IS ABLE TO BRING A LOT OF THAT COMMERCE BACK TO LOCAL WALMARTS, ALLOWING FOLKS TO GET ITEMS SAME DAY AND OFTEN IN UNDER 30 MINUTES, AND SOMETIMES AS LITTLE AS 15 MINUTES FROM WHEN THEY ORDER TO WHEN THE ITEMS ARE DELIVERED.
WE FOUND THAT NOT ONLY IS THIS LIKE TIME SAVING, IT CAN INCREASE ROAD SAFETY, REDUCE TRAFFIC.
I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS ARE HAVE MENTIONED THAT THERE'S SOME INTEREST ON LIKE WHAT 380 LOOKS LIKE.
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SERVICE. WE'LL SEE IF THIS WILL PLAY.THE DROID THEN GOES UP INTO THE ZIP.
IT'S WHAT WE CALL THE MAIN AIRCRAFT OR THE DRONE.
AT THE DELIVERY SITE, THE MAIN ZIP STAYS AT OVER 300FT IN THE AIR AND THEN JUST THE DELIVERY DROID LOWERS DOWN FOR PRECISE AND SAFE DELIVERY, AND THEN THE ZIP RETURNS TO THE DOCK. SO A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT OUR PLATFORM AND SYSTEM HERE.
THE PAYLOAD PAYLOAD CAPACITY IS ABOUT 8 POUNDS.
WE BELIEVE THAT OUR DROID IS QUITE CUTE WHEN FOLKS SEE IT, BUT IT'S VERY MIGHTY.
SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 8 POUNDS, IT'S LIKE A LOT OF BRISKET.
IT'S A LOT OF ELECTRONICS, FOOD, GROCERY AND HEALTH AND WELLNESS ITEMS AS WELL.
SO ZIPS ARE QUIETER THAN MANY COMMON NEIGHBORHOOD SOUNDS.
SO OVER ON THE LEFT YOU'LL SEE SOME DATA ABOUT WHEN WE'RE DOCKING, WHICH IS MOST RELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY, WHICH IS THE SITE SO MEASURED AT 100FT AWAY, WHICH IS QUITE A BIT SHORTER THAN THE 300FT, A ZIP WITH NO PAYLOAD.
SO GENERALLY LIKE RETURNING BACK FROM A DELIVERY, IT MAXES OUT ABOUT 53DB AND WITH A MAXIMUM PAYLOAD SO THAT FULL 8 POUNDS, WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 64DB. NOW, THIS WAS PRESENTED BY OUR ENGINEERS AND I SAID, GREAT, I LOVE THESE NUMBERS.
WHAT DO THEY ACTUALLY MEAN RIGHT.
WHAT DO WE ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT.
SO NOW MOVING KIND OF A LITTLE BIT INTO SAFETY.
SO ZIPLINE DESIGNS MANUFACTURES ENGINEERS TEST OUR OWN AIRCRAFT.
SO WE DESIGNED THE AIRCRAFT WITH MULTIPLE REDUNDANCIES FOR SAFETY CRITICAL SYSTEMS. WE HAVE THAT TWO PART ARCHITECTURE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO WE'RE FAA CERTIFIED JUST LIKE MAJOR AIRLINES, WHICH INCLUDES EXPERT TEAMS TO TRACK, MONITOR AND MAINTAIN THE AIRCRAFT AND THEN AS WE BRIEFLY TALKED ABOUT, THE SYSTEM IS FULLY AUTONOMOUS WITH MULTIPLE SAFETY CHECKS BEFORE FLIGHT, DURING FLIGHT AND ONE THING THAT WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF IS OUR SAFETY SYSTEM THAT WE CALL FLIGHT IQ, WHICH IS OUR AUTONOMY AND PERCEPTION SYSTEM.
WE APPLY INDUSTRY STANDARD TOOLS TO BLUR ANY SORT OF VISUALS, INCLUDING FACES.
THE SYSTEM CANNOT BE ZOOMED OR POINTED IN ANY SPECIFIC DIRECTION.
WE DO NOT IDENTIFY INDIVIDUALS OR LICENSE PLATES.
SO OVERALL, THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO UNDERSTAND AS IT'S COMING DOWN.
I THINK MY LITTLE CLICKER STOPPED WORKING.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND ADVANCING TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
JUST START WORKING. EXCELLENT.
ALL RIGHT, SO TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU'LL SEE A LOADING DOCK.
SO THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF A SINGLE DOCK THAT HOLDS A SINGLE ZIP.
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SEE A A DOUBLE DOCK, WHICH IS GENERALLY THE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, PREVIOUSLY, THE DOUBLE DOCKS ARE 28FT AND THEN THE SINGLE DOCKS ARE 22FT. AND THE LAST PART THAT WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.SO AFTER WE WERE HERE AT CITY COUNCIL TALKING ABOUT THE ORDINANCE SEVERAL WEEKS BACK, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL EMAILS GO OUT WITH PRINCETON ISD TO HELP UNDERSTAND WHERE THEIR NEEDS ARE AND HOW WE CAN FIT INTO THEIR CURRICULUM AS A WHOLE.
WE BELIEVE THAT MINE SHOULD NOT BE WHEN THEY SEE THEIR NEIGHBOR GETTING A DELIVERY.
I LIKE HOW YOU'RE NOT JUST TRYING TO CHANGE THE WORLD, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE WORLD, WHICH I REALLY THINK SHOWS OUR MISSION, OUR IMPACT THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. AND WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO GO IN FRONT OF STUDENTS AND SHOW THEM THE CAREER OPPORTUNITIES AND HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS, WE GENERALLY REALLY OPEN MINDS.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT WE CAN HAVE HERE IN PRINCETON.
ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
AND REAL FAST, I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE CORRECTION.
SO AFTER RELOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, THE DISTANCE SHOWN IS TO THE FENCE.
BUT WE CAN ALSO SCOOT IT DOWN TO GET FROM THE FENCE TO THE PROPERTY LINE THAT 300FT.
SO OH SORRY, YOU DO HAVE ROOM TO MOVE AT THAT SEVEN FEET TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
WE DO HAVE ROOM TO MOVE SEVEN FEET.
OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ABOUT THE DRONE.
YES, SIR. I FOLLOW IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PART WHERE YOU GET TO THE DELIVERY SPOT.
OKAY. MY QUESTION IS, I GUESS NUMBER ONE, WHEN YOU DROP THAT DROID FROM THE ZIP, WHAT'S YOUR IDEAL DELIVERY SPOT? ARE WE TALKING, LIKE, FRONT YARD? SIDEWALK? FRONT PORCH? HOW DOES THAT WORK? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND IT CAN VARY DEPENDING ON THE CUSTOMER AND THEIR PREFERENCE.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'LL PRESENT LIKE THREE DELIVERY SITES TO A CUSTOMER.
ALLOW THEM TO PICK. THIS CAN INCLUDE ANYTHING FROM LIKE A DRIVEWAY A FRONT YARD BACKYARD SIDE YARD.
SECOND QUESTION IS SO LET'S SAY THERE IS SOME KIND OF OBSTRUCTION.
DOES THE DRONE HAVE CAPABILITY TO MISS THOSE OBSTRUCTIONS WHEN THE WHEN THE DROID DROPS? YES, SIR. SO FLIGHT IQ, WHICH IS THAT SYSTEM OF PERCEPTION.
IT'S ABLE TO, AS THE DROID IS COMING DOWN, UNDERSTAND THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO IF IT SEES AN OBSTACLE, IT WILL FIRST TRY TO AVOID IT BY PICKING A NEW DELIVERY SITE.
AND IF IT'S UNABLE TO FIND A SUITABLE DELIVERY SITE, IT WOULD NOT MAKE THE DELIVERY.
AND THEN IT NOTIFIES THE CUSTOMER.
OKAY, AND MY LAST QUESTION IS ONCE THE DROID HITS THE GROUND, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? THAT'S OPEN UP? DOES THE CUSTOMER HAVE TO BE STANDING THERE TO GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT OR.
AND YOU FOUND THE FLAW IN THE VIDEO NOT WORKING SO GREAT FIND.
THAT'S WHERE THE WALMART ASSOCIATE OR ZIPLINE EMPLOYEE LOADS THE PACKAGES ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
AT THE VERY BOTTOM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT BLACK OUTLINE.
THERE'S DOORS ON THE BOTTOM THAT OPEN LIKE THIS.
IN FACT, THE SYSTEM IS ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO WAIT FOR PEOPLE TO NOT BE NEARBY TO MAKE THE DELIVERY.
OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAD.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU REGARDING THE DOCKING STATIONS.
WILL THERE BE THE SINGLE OR DOUBLE OR BOTH AT WALMART? THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
SO THERE WILL BE BOTH ON THIS.
OKAY. AND NOT JUST WALMART BUT ANY ONLINE DELIVERY SERVICE.
THEY EITHER GET THE PRODUCT WRONG, IT'S PICKED WRONG, WHICH I KNOW IS AN INTERNAL CHALLENGE, BUT IT GETS DELIVERED TO THE WRONG PLACE. HOW IS THAT HANDLED? DOES THE CUSTOMER HAVE TO THEN GO AND TAKE IT BACK, OR DOES THE DRONE COME BACK? PICK IT UP MAN? THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION. SO LET ME JUST MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND.
THE QUESTION IS IF THE ITEM WAS DELIVERED, THE WRONG ITEM WAS DELIVERED.
SO IF THE WRONG ITEM IS DELIVERED, CUSTOMERS CAN CONTACT THE SUPPORT TEAM.
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AT THIS TIME. IT'S LIKE A ONE WAY DELIVERY SYSTEM.OKAY. AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS, STATISTICS WISE, HOW MANY LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN I WALK OUT MY FRONT DOOR AND I HAVE A DRONE LAYING IN MY FRONT DOOR. STATISTICALLY, WHAT TYPE OF LIKE HOW MANY DOWNED DRONES HAVE YOU HAD? HOW MANY CHALLENGED MECHANICALLY? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WALK OUT MY DOOR AND FIND A DRONE LAYING THERE.
YEAH, VERY UNDERSTANDABLY SO OVERALL, IN OVER 1.3 MILLION COMMERCIAL AUTONOMOUS DELIVERIES THAT WE'VE DONE WITH MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ADDITIONAL FLIGHT TESTS, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY MAJOR SAFETY INCIDENTS.
AND THAT AUTONOMOUSLY GOES BACK TO A DOCK.
AND DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DIDN'T GIVE ME LIKE A HARD NUMBER.
LIKE, ARE YOU TELLING ME, WELL, WE'VE HAD 100 IN 1,000,000 OR YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A THOUSAND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S A CONCERN. I MEAN, PEOPLE DON'T.
AND ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW THERE'S A LARGE NEWS AMOUNT REGARDING DRONES AND DROIDS.
AND YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IN LIKE THE LOCAL NATIONAL MEDIA.
WHEN IT COMES TO DISCIPLINE, I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC HARD NUMBER OTHER THAN I CAN TALK ABOUT OUR 1.3 MILLION AUTONOMOUS DELIVERIES AND OVER 880 MILLION AUTONOMOUS MILES THAT HAVE BEEN FLOWN. I CAN ALSO SAY THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD TO FILE ANY INSURANCE CLAIMS ON OUR AIRCRAFT FOR ANY SORT OF PROPERTY DAMAGE OR AIRCRAFT DAMAGE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MANY OPERATORS ARE UNABLE TO SAY.
OKAY, SO IF THE DRONE COMES TO MY HOUSE, DELIVER SOMETHING AND FOR WHATEVER REASON DROPS IT ON MY CLASSIC CAR, HOW ARE THINGS LIKE THAT HANDLED? GREAT QUESTION. SO AS AN AIRLINE, THERE'S A FULL SUITE OF FAA REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY SORT OF PROPERTY DAMAGE OR AIRCRAFT FAULTS.
SO IN THOSE CASES YOU'RE ABLE TO CONTACT THE ZIPLINE TEAM IF WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT ALREADY.
SO DEPENDING ON YOUR SPECIFIC CASE, THERE'S A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IT.
WE HAVE A FULL SUITE OF BUSINESS INSURANCE IF WE NEED IT TO PURSUE THAT AS WELL.
YES, MA'AM. IN THAT CASE, IS THAT WALMART'S LIABILITY OR IS IT ZIPLINE? OBVIOUSLY IGNORING THE FACT THAT THERE MAYBE WALMART, WHO WOULD THE CUSTOMER DEAL WITH IN THAT CASE? WHO ACCEPTS LIABILITY DIRECTLY TO THE CUSTOMER? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO ULTIMATELY, LIKE ZIP LINE IS RESPONSIBLE AS AN AIRLINE, AS THE OPERATOR, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH WALMART.
SO IT SOUNDS, TOM, IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE'S NO ROUTE, NO POINT IN TIME IN WHICH A CUSTOMER WOULD EVER BE EXPECTED TO CONTACT ZIPLINE DIRECTLY.
IT'S ALL DEALING WITH WALMART BECAUSE IT'S THEIR THIRD PARTY SERVICE.
IT DEPENDS ON WHO THEY ORDER THROUGH.
SO IF THEY ORDER THROUGH THE ZIPLINE APP, THEY WOULD THEN REACH BACK OUT TO ZIPLINE.
IF THEY ORDER THROUGH WALMART.COM, THEY WOULD REACH OUT TO TO WALMART.
ACTUALLY. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION REGARDING NOISE.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO SOUND, YOU NOTED A FEW DIFFERENT DECIBEL LIMITS.
WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE THINGS THAT ARE MAKING NOISE IN AN AREA, OBVIOUSLY DECIBELS CAN GET LOUDER.
YOU GET SINE WAVES THAT STACK ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND IT INCREASES THE AMPLITUDE.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY PROCEDURES WHICH KEEPS LIKE A FEWER NUMBER OF DRONES WITHIN A PARTICULAR AREA SO THAT THOSE THAT SOUND DOESN'T STACK AND BECOME A HIGHER AMPLITUDE BECAUSE MY ASSUMPTION AT THIS POINT IS YOU GUYS ARE JUST SAYING TAKING A MEASUREMENT OF THE DRONE AND SAYING, HEY, IT'S 60DB, BUT IF YOU HAVE TWO, THREE, FOUR OF THEM MAY GET LOUDER JUST BY THOSE SOUND WAVES STACKING ON ONE ANOTHER.
SO WHAT? WHAT LIMITS YOU ALL FROM DOING THAT? I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THAT, WHICH IS ARE THERE PLANS IN THE FUTURE TO POTENTIALLY MOVE TO LARGER DRONES? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER BETTER.
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TIME THAT WE HAD A VOTE ON THE DRONES, IT WAS REQUESTED THAT WE PUT A DECIBEL LIMIT ON THERE.AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS ACTUALLY PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL.
SO THAT'S CORRECT, MR. [INAUDIBLE]. THAT PORTION OF THAT REQUEST FROM P AND Z WAS NOT IMPLEMENTED BY COUNCIL.
YES. SO MY CONCERN WAS THAT AS THE TECHNOLOGY EVOLVES.
YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY A YEAR OR 2 OR 3 YEARS LATER, YOU GUYS MOVED TO A BIGGER DRONE.
YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S REALLY KEEPING THE CUSTOMER PROTECTED, OR WE JUST DO YOU GUYS AT THAT POINT DECIDE TO MOVE TO A, YOU KNOW, IT GOES HIGHER IN THE AIR OR WHATEVER.
THAT DID UPSET ME THAT PORTION OF IT.
YEAH, SO I THINK THERE'S LIKE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN THERE.
WELL THAT'S REALLY MORE OF A CONCERN AND THE QUESTION WAS DIRECTLY TO THE CITY ABOUT WHETHER THAT WAS INCLUDED AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT CONCERN, BECAUSE I'M NOT NECESSARILY CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER ALL OF A SUDDEN YOUR DRONES ARE GOING TO GET LOUDER.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER THE TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO EVOLVE AND WHETHER OUR THE REQUEST THAT WAS MADE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THE LAST TIME THIS CAME BEFORE US WAS ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED, POTENTIALLY PROTECTING US FROM THE NOISE ISSUES THAT MAY ARISE DUE TO THAT.
I SEE OKAY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. FISHER WAS ABLE TO ANSWER PART OF THE QUESTION.
WHAT I CAN ANSWER IS, AT THIS TIME, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY PLANS TO HAVE DIFFERENT AIRCRAFT.
WE'RE ROLLING OUT PLATFORM TWO.
I CAN ALSO SAY THAT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AIRCRAFT HAS BEEN DESIGNING SPECIAL PROPELLERS, AS WELL AS THE ACOUSTICS, AND PART OF THE TWO PART SYSTEM IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A SYSTEM THAT'S OPERATING THAT WE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE HAVING IN OUR BACKYARDS.
I LIVE IN A PART OF DFW THAT IS ALSO GOING TO HAVE THIS SERVICE.
I'VE BEEN OUT TO OUR TEST SITE MANY TIMES AND SEEN IT.
I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PULL THEM UP. THEY'RE QUITE IMPRESSIVE, INCLUDING DELIVERIES HAPPENING MERE FEET AWAY THAT SURPRISED THEM AND MY INITIAL QUESTION ABOUT LIMITATIONS FOR THE NUMBER OF DRONES IN A PARTICULAR AREA.
I GOT IT. SORRY. I THINK THERE'S JUST SO MANY QUESTIONS.
GREAT QUESTION. SO I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY SPECIFIC LIMITATIONS.
SO LIKE, A DOUBLE DOCK WOULD ONLY HAVE ONE, NOT TWO TAKEOFF.
SO I BELIEVE IN THIS PARTICULAR SITE PLAN THERE WOULD BE LIKE A MAXIMUM OF LIKE SEVEN OVER IN LIKE THE CHARGING BAY AREAS AND SPECIFIC TO WHAT THAT LIKE SOUND PROFILE IS, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
I THINK THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION.
OKAY. YOU'RE NOT REALLY CERTAIN? YEAH. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC ANSWER AS TO HOW THAT CHANGES WITH ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR AIRCRAFT.
I'M JUST NOT AN ACOUSTIC ENGINEER.
HOW MANY OF LIKE HOW CLOSE CAN THOSE BE TOGETHER? LET'S SAY ME AND MY NEIGHBOR AND ANOTHER NEIGHBOR ARE GETTING DELIVERIES ROUGHLY THE SAME TIME.
THOSE NOISES CAN STACK TOGETHER.
YEAH. THERE'S NO LIMITATION SPECIFIC TO, LIKE HAVING TWO AIRCRAFT TAKE OFF AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THERE'S NO LIKE PER SITE LIMITATIONS SPECIFICALLY THAT I'M AWARE OF.
YEAH. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE ZIP LINE IS MONITORING FLIGHT PATTERNS BY THE FAA REGULATED AIRCRAFT.
MY QUESTION IS ZIP LINE MONITORING OR AS HOW IS IT MONITORED? LET ME JUST CLARIFY QUESTION. ARE YOU TALKING SPECIFICALLY HOW ARE WE MONITORING THE AIRCRAFT OR THE AIRSPACE OR BOTH? THE ACTUAL FLIGHT PATTERN IN PARTICULAR.
RIGHT AND IT'S JUST A LITTLE ROBOT.
YOU PUT THE FOOD IN, IT DELIVERS TO WHATEVER SPOT IT IS.
RIGHT AND IT'S KIND OF SELF-GOVERNED.
MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS IT DOES THE EXACT SAME WAY.
IS IT A PERSON AT THE HELM THAT CAN SEE?
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HEY, I'M MAKING SURE THAT IT'S BEING DELIVERED ON THIS PERSON'S, YOU KNOW, DRIVEWAY AND NOT ON SOMEONE'S CAR.GREAT QUESTION. SO THE ACTUAL SYSTEM.
SO FLIGHT IQ IS PLOTTING THAT ROUTE AND THAT DELIVERY SITE.
THE SYSTEM DOES CONTINUOUS MONITORING TO UNDERSTAND LIKE IF SOMETHING HAS CHANGED, RIGHT? SO IF WE HAVE THE GPS COORDINATES THAT WE WANT TO LAND ON, IT'S LOOKING AT WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW COMPENSATING FOR WHEN TO MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE COMPUTER.
NOW LET'S SAY THAT YOU KNOW, MISS MAXINE HAS MOVED HER CAR TO WHERE THE GPS COORDINATES ARE.
THE SYSTEM WILL UNDERSTAND THAT AND IT WILL THEN HAVE TO MOVE.
IT'LL MOVE WHERE THE DELIVERY SITE IS SO THAT IT'S NOT ON THE CAR AND BUT YES, THERE IS LIKE THERE'S NO LIVE VIEW FOR THE OPERATOR TO, LIKE, SEE THE AIRCRAFT, LIKE WHAT IT'S SEEING, BUT IT IS ABLE TO SEE THE GPS LOCATION AND WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO DELIVER.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SOMEWHAT.
SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT IS KIND OF RELIED UPON THE COMPUTER.
BUT IS THERE AN ACTUAL PERSON THAT IS ASSISTING? YES. KIND OF MONITORING.
OKAY. YEAH. MY CONCERN WAS THAT IF IT WAS DOING THAT.
SO LET'S SAY IT WAS IN A DRIVEWAY AND AT SOME POINT MY SON PULLS IN THE DRIVEWAY.
DOES IT HAVE SOME TYPE OF ALARM OR SOMETHING THAT KIND OF ALERTS AND SAYS, HEY, I CAN'T DO THAT.
I THINK YOU ALREADY KIND OF MENTIONED IT BEFORE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON THAT POINT.
YES. SO BASICALLY IT'S THE DELIVERY IS NOT CLEAR.
WHAT ARE THE FACTORS THAT WOULD WE WOULD THAT WOULD FACTOR INTO SAYS YES, WE WOULD EXPAND OUT FROM 2 TO 10 OR WHATEVER THAT DISTANCE WOULD BE. YEAH.
THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT GO INTO THIS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, LIKE ZIPLINE.
THE FAA AND OUR PARTNERS IN WALMART GENERALLY TAKE A CRAWL, WALK, RUN APPROACH.
SO GENERALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE MARKET PENETRATION, THE USE WITHIN THE TWO MILES.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, VERY KEY BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THREE OR 4 OR 5 UP TO THE TEN MILES.
ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE LOOKING TO OUR REGULATORS AND OUR PARTNERS TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE WHEN DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO MOVE AT FURTHER DISTANCES? FOR EXAMPLE, IN ARKANSAS WE DELIVER AT A 15 MILE RANGE.
WE ORIGINALLY STARTED AT 1.7 MILES AND SO THAT PROCESS TOOK, I BELIEVE, ROUGHLY A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS OF A QUESTION. YOU SAID THAT THE MAXIMUM WEIGHT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WAS 8 POUNDS.
YES. SO THERE ARE SEVERAL SYSTEMS AT PLAY THAT HELPED MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
INITIALLY, WHEN WE LAUNCH, THERE IS TRAINED OPERATORS THAT ARE ACTUALLY WEIGHING THE AIRCRAFT OR THE THE ITEMS. BUT BEFORE THAT STEP EVEN HAPPENS, THE WALMART CATALOG IS UPLOADED AND AS PART OF THE APP EXPERIENCE, IT UNDERSTANDS THE WEIGHT OF ITEMS, SO IT ACTUALLY LIMITS WHAT YOU CAN ORDER. NOW, LET'S SAY YOU ORDER A ROTISSERIE CHICKEN, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR MOST POPULAR ITEMS IN ARKANSAS, AND SOMEBODY PICKS A REALLY BIG ROTISSERIE CHICKEN ALONG WITH YOUR OTHER ITEMS. RIGHT NOW, THE SCALE THAT WE PUT THE ITEMS ON BEFORE LOADING HELPS US TO MITIGATE THAT AND THEN THE LAST ITEM IS THAT THE DROID AND THE ZIP, BECAUSE OF HOW IT'S DOCKED, THE ZIP CAN ACTUALLY WEIGH THE ITEM.
SO IT'S NOW ABLE TO CALCULATE THE WEIGHT OF THE ITEMS AND THAT'S PART OF OUR ONGOING FAA APPROVALS, IS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT SYSTEM, WHICH WILL HELP US ELIMINATE THE SCALE BY THE PERSON. IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
IS THERE A VARIANCE LIKE OH, IS IT 8 POUNDS ONE OUNCE WOULD BE OKAY? AND YOU KNOW IS THERE LIKE A.
YEAH I THINK THERE'S A VARIANCE.
I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS TO ANSWER THIS.
SO HIGH LEVEL. WE PUT THE STANDARD AT 8 POUNDS.
WE TEST IT ABOVE THAT TO ENSURE THAT THE AIRCRAFT IS CAN SAFELY OPERATE.
BUT 8 POUNDS IS THE LIMIT THAT WE PUT ON IT.
YES, MA'AM. I THINK WHEN WE THINK OF DRONES, WE THINK OF LIKE THE ONE THAT I HAVE AT HOME AND IT SEEMS THAT THESE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY SMARTER, HIGHER ADVANCED TECHNOLOGICALLY.
I HAD ONE QUESTION, AND IT JUST LEFT MY BRAIN.
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WOULD BE SOMEWHAT COMPARABLE TO LIKE A SELF-DRIVING CAR WITH SENSORS AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IN THE COMPUTER.JUST TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT, I THINK YOU COULD MAKE SOME PARALLELS TO THAT.
THE ITEMS THAT I WOULD ADD IS THAT WE ALSO HAVE A HUMAN IN THE LOOP.
RIGHT? THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MONITORING THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE SYSTEMS ARE ABLE TO FLAG TO SOMEBODY AS WELL AS THEY'RE ACTIVELY MONITORING IT AND THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, INTERVENE OR COMMAND THE AIRCRAFT TO GO BACK OR DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
I THINK THAT'S LIKE A FAIRLY REASONABLE PARALLEL WITH COUPLE ADDED SAFETY FEATURES.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANKS TO ALL THE INFORMATION.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR CITY STAFF.
IS THIS BASED ON THAT SEVEN FEET VARIANCE OR IS THIS JUST THE SUP IN GENERAL.
SO YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE DRONE DELIVERY HUB BEING RELOCATED TO 300FT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. OKAY.
NOW THEN WE COULD AMEND THE ORDINANCE ACCORDINGLY AND WHAT WOULD BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL? WE COULD GET THEM AN UPDATED SITE PLAN SHOWING IT 300FT AWAY.
OKAY. WELL, WE I MEAN, THEY'VE TOLD US THAT THE 300FT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
SO TO KEEP IT WITHIN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOTION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE TO VERIFY.
WE DON'T NEED TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES THAT.
COULD YOU TURN ON YOUR MIC, PLEASE, MR. COOPER? SORRY ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, THERE WAS SOME MENTION ABOUT THE DECIMAL LEVEL.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEEDED TO ADD THAT AS A STIPULATION TO APPROVAL.
THE CITY CAN'T REGULATE THE DRONE ONCE IT'S IN THE AIR.
THAT'S UNDER THE FFA JURISDICTION.
WE, OUR ORDINANCES AND LAWS ONLY ALLOW US TO REGULATE THE LOCATION OF THE HUB AND [INAUDIBLE].
OKAY. YEAH. THE REASON I BROUGHT IT.
AS LONG AS THEY STAY WITHIN THE HEIGHT THAT THEY RECOMMEND.
I AM NOT SURE IF SINCE CITY COUNCIL PASSED THAT ALREADY.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT AMENDMENT CAN BE ADDED.
BUT IN ANY CASE THAT WAS MY ONLY OTHER CONCERN.
I BELIEVE COUNCIL CAN AMEND THAT ORDINANCE AT ANY TIME.
WE NEEDED AT LEAST SOMETHING THERE THAT STATED THE DISTANCE.
THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS THE NOISE ISSUE, BUT I WOULD ALLEGE THAT CLOSEST PROPERTY LINE THAT'S 300FT AWAY, IF THE DECIBEL LEVEL OF THE DRONE IS IN FACT 60 ODD, YOU KNOW, DECIBELS AT 300FT.
I DON'T THINK THAT PROPERTY OWNER IS AS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SOUND OF THE DRONE AS HE IS.
THE BEAUCHAMP TRAFFIC, 30 MILES, YOU KNOW, 30FT AWAY FROM HIS BACK PORCH.
YOU ARE CORRECT. YOU KNOW, I LIVE OVER THERE FOR THAT REASON.
I DON'T THINK THE DRONE NOISE AT 300FT IS GOING TO BE.
I MEAN, IF IT'S THE SAME LEVEL AS A HUMAN CONVERSATION.
BUT AGAIN, WE CAN'T CONTROL THE DECIBEL LEVEL.
RIGHT. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? WE CAN'T CONTROL THE DECIBEL LEVEL.
YEAH. SORRY. ONCE IT'S IN THE AIR.
NO, WE YOU KNOW, THE CITY DOES HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE AND WE CAN ENFORCE THAT AFTER THIS PROJECT IS BUILT AND THE DRONES ON THE GROUND OR IN THE DOCKING STATION AND LOUDER THAN THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE ALLOWS, THEN WE CAN HAVE IT ADDRESSED.
BUT AT 60DB, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CLOSE TO EXCEEDING THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE.
OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MOTION TO APPROVE, ACTUALLY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? I'M SORRY, SIR. I ALMOST FORGOT.
JUST TURN THAT MICROPHONE ON THERE.
PERFECT. KEN SALIGMAN, 512 BUCKEYE AVENUE.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
YOUR QUESTION, MAXINE, WHEN HE WAS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION ABOUT.
WAIT, IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE THEY WERE GETTING THE WEIGHT OF THE OBJECTS OR THE PAYLOAD OFF OF
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THE CATALOG.IS THAT RIGHT? IT DOES NOT ACTUALLY WEIGH THE LOADED DRONE.
I BELIEVE HE SAID IT WAS KIND OF BOTH.
YEAH. YES. AND THEN IT APPLIES IT TO THE CATALOG, HE SAID.
NO. THEY TAKE THE WEIGHT OF THE ITEM FROM THE WALMART WEBSITE.
PRODUCT WEBSITE. SO WHAT? BUT IT IS PHYSICALLY WEIGHED IS WHAT HE MENTIONED.
AND THEN THE DRONE ITSELF WITH THE PRODUCT IS ALSO WEIGHED.
SO BEFORE IT LEAVES THE DOCK, LIKE MAXINE, LIKE YOUR EXAMPLE.
WE'RE NOT PERMITTED TO ANSWER EXCUSE ME QUESTIONS.
GUYS AREN'T ALLOWED TO. WHO CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS THEN? THEY HAVE TO, MR. FISHER. YES.
THE APPLICANT. IF WE COULD HAVE THAT QUESTION CLARIFIED, PLEASE.
SO THE COMMISSION IS NOT ALLOWED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
WE SUBMIT INTERACTIVE QUESTIONS.
YOU'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE COMMENTS AND THEN THEY CAN DISCUSS THEM.
IT'S NOT REALLY TO BE A DIALOG.
SO IN SPECIFICALLY IN YOUR QUESTION, MAXINE, THAT IF THE WRONG ITEM IS PICKED AND PUT IN THERE, IT SOUNDED TO ME LIKE IT WAS GOING TO BE WEIGHED BY THE CATALOG.
SO THE QUESTION ABOUT, WELL, REALLY IT'S KIND OF ALL ROLLED UP IN THE SAME THING.
THIS THE WHOLE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS LAST TIME THIS, THE DRONE ISSUE CAME BEFORE YOU AND THERE WAS ANOTHER ISSUE THAT I SAW AS WELL, 179 ACRES.
THAT WAS A AGRICULTURE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS REZONED AS DEVELOPMENT.
OKAY. SPECIFICALLY ON THE DRONE.
THERE WAS TWO ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE MEETING.
ONE WAS MR. HEISS, I THINK ACTUALLY, LIKE YOU SAID, WAS CONCERNED ABOUT MAYBE ATTACHING SOME KIND OF DECIBEL LIMITATION ON IT AND WAS TOLD THAT SPECIFICALLY, I THINK YOU STATED THE SAME THING THAT IT WAS FOR, EVEN IF WE CAN'T DO IT FOR EXISTING AIRCRAFT, WHAT ABOUT THE FUTURE? SO WHY COULDN'T THE CITY PUT A ZONING, A DECIBEL LIMIT ON IT ANYWAY? IF THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY COMPLYING WITH IT, WHY NOT HAVE IT ON THERE? AND THE RESPONSE WAS, WELL, WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE BECAUSE IT'S AND THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCERN BROUGHT UP IN THE MEETING IS THAT THE FAA HAD JUST MADE AN EXEMPTION FOR ZIPLINE, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. HEISS THAT WAS SAID, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT THIS EXEMPTION WAS JUST ISSUED.
YOU. SIR, THAT'S THREE MINUTES.
I'M LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I BELIEVE YOU DIDN'T VOTE ON THE MATTER BECAUSE OF IT AND SO THIS PUBLIC HEARING [INAUDIBLE] . I JUST WANT TO OFFER ONE CORRECTION TO MR. SPIEGELMAN'S COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT WAS SAID.
BASICALLY, WE IT WAS THE DECIBEL REQUIREMENT WAS RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO CITY COUNCIL IN A WAY THAT LIKE, HEY, THIS IS TOO COMPLICATED TO IMPLEMENT. I DIDN'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT.
THIS IS A FREE APP I HAVE ON MY PHONE CALLED DECIBEL RIGHT NOW, WHERE THIS IS FROM, WHEREVER IT'S COMING FROM, IT'S 59DB AND IT'S FREE.
I GOT AN IPHONE. HOW MANY PEOPLE I MEAN? ANYWAY, SO I JUST WANTED TO OFFER THAT CORRECTION THAT THEY IT WAS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AS IF LIKE, THIS IS JUST TOO COMPLICATED FOR US TO KEEP TRACK OF WHEN, YOU KNOW, I COULD HAVE TAKEN THE MEASUREMENT.
SOMEBODY COULD SPEND $300 ON A NICER ONE, BUT FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH, AND PART OF THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE I DON'T I REALLY DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP PHYSICS PRESENTATION.
I BELIEVE YOU'RE AN ENGINEER, SO YOU'LL GET IT.
THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IT'S A SINE WAVE.
WELL, WHEN YOU HAVE TWO, WHERE THE PEAKS OF THE SOUND MEASURE OR OVERLAY ON ONE ANOTHER.
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THEN IT LOOKS LIKE THAT.IT DOUBLES THE AMPLITUDE DOUBLES AND IF I HAD A CHALKBOARD, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT BETTER.
BUT IT DOES KIND OF FLY IN THE FACE OF THE IDEA OF THE CONCEPT OF BECAUSE THE DRONES ARE QUIETER, WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE QUIETER THAN THE ROAD NOISE THAT WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRONES.
THE AMPLITUDE DOUBLES IN THE SAME WAY THAT IF YOU HAVE AIRPODS IN YOUR EARS AND THEY IT DOES AN OPPOSITE SOUND WAVE TO CANCEL IT OUT AND THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT NOISE CANCELLATION.
SO THESE DECIBEL REQUIREMENTS, IF YOU HAVE TOO MANY DRONES IN AN AREA OR DRONES PLUS TRAFFIC, THEY MAKE THE AMPLITUDE OF THE NOISE ALWAYS HIGHER.
THANK YOU. THAT'S AN EXCELLENT EXPLANATION.
I MEAN, I'LL GO BACK TO THE DECIBEL LEVEL AND THE NOISE CONCERN ONCE AGAIN.
I JUST I DON'T SEE IF THE DECIBEL LEVEL ON THE DRONES IS ACTUALLY AROUND 60DB AT GROUND LEVEL, AT TAKEOFF LEVEL, AND THEY'RE ONLY LAUNCHING ONE DRONE AT A TIME AT 60DB, 60, 65, 70DB AND THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO TRAFFIC AT 100FT OR OR A CONVERSATION.
I JUST DON'T SEE THE I DON'T SEE THE NOISE FACTOR.
I MEAN THAT PART OF TOWN IS NOISY ANYWAY.
I JUST DON'T SEE A 60 DECIBEL DRONE LEVEL SOUND.
WE HAVE CARS THAT DRIVE DOWN THE THING THAT TIPS THE SCALES.
WE HAVE. FOR SOMEBODY TO DRIVE LOUDER.
I KNOW IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN FLYING OVER WITH A PATIENT.
IT'S SO MUCH LOUDER WHERE YOU CAN HEAR THAT WELL INSIDE YOUR HOUSE.
IF IT'S OUTSIDE AND IT'S 60DB OUTSIDE FLYING OVERHEAD, IT'S GOING TO.
BUT, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU GOT OTHER AIRCRAFT THAT ARE ACTUALLY FLYING OVERHEAD, THAT ARE 1000 FOOT, 1200FT, 2000FT UP, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR ANYTHING IF THEY'RE FLYING OVER.
I THINK I GET THE POINT OF VIEW.
IS ALSO OFFERING SOME PROTECTION FOR OUR HOMES.
HOW IS IT OFFERING PROTECTION FOR OUR HOMES? WELL, WE CAN'T CONTROL THE AIR TRAFFIC, BUT IF WE CONTROL THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT CAN BE DONE AT THE LANDING ZONE, WE'RE ALSO IN A WAY CONTROLLING THE AMOUNT OF DRONES THAT CAN BE OUT DELIVERING AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
SO IF THERE'S THREE DELIVERIES OCCURRING AT ONE POINT IN TIME, THEY HAPPEN TO ALL BE ME AND MY TWO NEIGHBORS THEN IT BY PROTECTING THE LANDING ZONE, WE'RE ALSO POTENTIALLY PROTECTING THE PLACE WHERE I REALLY DO CONCERN AND CONCERN ABOUT SOUND, WHICH IS MY LIVING ROOM OR MY BACKYARD.
WELL, AND THE THREE FEET OF THE 300FT AWAY FROM THIS PARTICULAR LAUNCH AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFECTING THREE, MAYBE FOUR HOUSES AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYBODY'S NOT AS IMPORTANT RESIDENTS, NOT AS IMPORTANT AS ANY OTHER RESIDENT.
BUT YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AFFECTING A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE.
SO YOU'RE A FOOTBALL FIELD AWAY.
I JUST DON'T SEE 60DB FOR A DRONE TAKEOFF, BEING I DON'T SEE THAT GUY WALKING OUT HIS BACK DOOR AND CALLING WALMART OR CALLING 911 OR COMPLAINING ABOUT NOISE. I JUST DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING AND I'M ASSUMING THAT ALL THESE DELIVERIES ARE GOING TO BE MADE DURING THE DAY.
SURE. THAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION I FORGOT TO ASK.
WHAT'S YOUR TIME? WHAT'S YOUR START TIME AND CUTOFF TIME ON DELIVERIES? GREAT QUESTION. SO DELIVERIES WILL BEGIN WITH DAYLIGHT HOURS I BELIEVE.
DO WE HAVE OUR WALMART REPRESENTATIVE? EXCELLENT. SO HE CAN COMMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON LIKE THE SPECIFIC HOURS OF OPERATIONS OF THEIR STORE AND HOW THEY SEE DELIVERY CHANGING AND SPECIFIC TO ZIPLINE OVER THE TIME.
COMMISSIONERS. CHAIRMAN, HOW ARE YOU? RYAN TRIMBLE ON BEHALF OF WALMART.
THE HOURS OF OPERATION CURRENTLY ARE 10 A.M.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UPS.
OKAY. YEAH. I THINK THE NOISE DECIMALS I GUESS, IS A CONCERN.
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IT IS A CONCERN. IF WE HAVE 20 DRONES OPERATING AT ONE TIME, THAT COULD BE IT.I MEAN, I'LL REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT AT THIS TIME, THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT GIVE ANY LIMITATIONS ON DECIBEL LEVEL.
SO IF WE'RE GOING STRICTLY BY THE ORDINANCE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
GIVEN THAT ADJUSTMENT OF SEVEN FEET, THAT PUTS THEM THE THE REQUIRED 300FT AWAY FROM THE CLOSEST PROPERTY LINE, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE, AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
20243061 SUBJECT TO THE DELIVERY HUB BEING LOCATED RELOCATED TO BE IN COMPLIANCE OF THE 300FT.
AYE. ANY OPPOSED SAY NO? NO. I DO HAVE JUST ONE THING TO SAY IN REGARDS TO THE DRONES AND THE NOISE.
I JUST MOVED FROM A HOUSE THAT WAS TWO BLOCKS FROM A TRAIN AND NOT PASSENGER TRAIN, BUT ACTUAL CARGO. FREIGHT TRAIN? THAT WAS 24 HOURS A DAY, TWO BLOCKS AWAY.
IT WAS A LOT LOUDER THAN 60DB.
AND I HONESTLY, AFTER THE FIRST WEEK I WOULD SLEEP WITH MY WINDOWS OPEN.
I WORK FROM HOME ON THE PHONES AND IT NEVER IMPACTED ME, SO I THINK 60DB IS REASONABLE. OKAY.
THANK YOU. MOTION CARRIES FOUR, ONE.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
[F. REGULAR AGENDA]
WE'LL FIRST ADDRESS THIS ITEM F ONE, AND THEN WE WILL PULL IN ITEMS D2 AND D3 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.SO F ONE AND THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR INFORMATION TONIGHT.
PL20243046. PRELIMINARY PLAT SERENITY.
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AND RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST FROM JEN HOLDCO 24, LLC FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A PROPERTY BEING A 9.303 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN THE THOMAS A ROAD SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 741 AND JOHN RUSSELL, ABSTRACT NUMBER 743, CITY OF PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS.
MR. SUTTON. CAN YOU PLEASE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM THE PREVIOUS ITEM FIRST? I'M SORRY. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:23 FROM THE LAST AGENDA ITEM.
THIS REQUEST IS FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A DEVELOPMENT CONSISTING OF 700 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, ONE AMENITY CENTER LOT, ONE SCHOOL SITE, AND ONE LIFT STATION LOT LOCATED OFF OF FM 75.
THIS LAND WAS ALREADY ENTITLED PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING MORATORIUM.
SO THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT ISN'T AFFECTED.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE AND THE APPLICANTS HERE AS WELL.
YOU NOTED THAT THIS PREDATED THE MORATORIUM.
CAN YOU REMIND US OF WHAT DATE THAT WAS? THAT? I ASSUME THAT'S BASED ON THE APPLICATION DATE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. I BELIEVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WAS APPROVED OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IN THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION ON EXHIBIT A.
IT SAYS DATE OF PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE.
IT SAYS IT'S REQUIRED, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THERE.
THEY HAD A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING BEFORE THEY EVEN SUBMITTED THIS.
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BUT IN BEHIND WHERE THEY WOULD WRITE IT SAYS REQUIRED.YES. IT'S REQUIRED TO WRITE THE DATE THERE AS LONG AS THE MEETING TAKES PLACE, WHICH IT DID.
OKAY. SO IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO ACTUALLY WRITE THE DATE ON THAT BOX.
NO, THAT'S JUST A MINOR DETAIL THAT WAS OVERLOOKED.
BUT THE MEETING DID TAKE PLACE.
CAN YOU REMIND ME WHO THE DEVELOPER, THE DEVELOPER'S ENGINEERS ARE ON HERE? IT'S THE KIMLEY-HORN OFFICE OUT OF CELINA, I BELIEVE.
KIMLEY-HORN IN THAT WHO WE USE AS OUR THIRD PARTY ENGINEERS, WE USE THE MCKINNEY OFFICE.
THAT'S CORRECT. FOR KIMLEY-HORN.
IS THERE A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST BY HAVING BOTH THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY UTILIZE THE SAME ENGINEERING COMPANY? KIMLEY-HORN. MR. HESS I'LL ADDRESS THAT.
SO YES, THE CITY DOES HAVE OUR THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT ENGINEER THAT WE'VE HIRED.
ANY TIME THAT A PROJECT COMES IN FROM A KIMLEY-HORN ENGINEER, OUR ENGINEERS PROVIDE US WITH AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT LETTER THAT THEY'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THERE, THAT THEY'RE REVIEWING THEIR OWN WORK.
THEY DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER.
THEY GO THROUGH THEIR CLIENTS.
BUT. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I MEAN, WE DO HAVE THAT LETTER ON FILE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THEY'RE REVIEWING WORK FROM THEIR OWN FIRM, BUT THEY ARE SEPARATE.
THE ENGINEERS ARE SEPARATE FROM DIFFERENT OFFICES.
CAN I ASK, IS THERE LIKE A I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE AN ORDINANCE THAT APPROVES THAT? WAS THAT APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL? IS THIS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE'VE WE'VE ACCEPTED AS BEING NORMAL? IS THERE ANY TYPE OF OVERSIGHT THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC ENGINEERS DON'T CHAT WITH ONE ANOTHER? BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE HEARD FROM MANY PEOPLE ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE MAY BE A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST HERE, AND IT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY CONSISTENT, ACTUALLY.
ALL THREE PLANTS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT.
THIS IS THE CASE TO WHERE THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY ARE HIRING.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHAT? OTHER THAN THIS, I DON'T KNOW, REALLY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A STATEMENT OR SOME AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY.
I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF PRINCETON SHOULD, YOU KNOW, KNOW AND BE AWARE OF.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.
WE, THE CITY, CANNOT DICTATE WHO THE PRIVATE SECTOR HIRES TO DO THEIR ENGINEERING WORK.
THAT ACKNOWLEDGMENT LETTER DOES REFERENCE THE ENGINEERS CODE OF ETHICS THAT THEY ADHERE TO AND PERHAPS THE DESIGN ENGINEER COULD SPEAK TO THIS. ALEX, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE OR.
SORRY, I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONES WITH SERENITY, PLEASE.
I BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY THE DALLAS KIMLEY-HORN OFFICE AS OPPOSED TO CELINA.
YEAH. YOU MEAN CHAIR COMMISSIONERS? MY NAME IS MARK HARRIS.
KIMLEY-HORN ASSOCIATES, LOCATED AT 13 455 NOEL ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS.
75240. AS RELATES TO THE QUESTION AT HAND I THINK OBVIOUSLY THERE'S COMPONENTS OF THIS CASE.
STATE LAW DOES ALLOW OR STATE BOARD RULES DOES ALLOW FOR THE REVIEWING OF OWN WORK AND THAT'S A TO THE EXTENT THAT MR. FISHER IDENTIFIED THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT PROVIDED BY BOTH CLIENTS.
THE I'LL SAY THE WALL AND THE STAFF THAT WE DO HAVE FROM TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
I GUESS MY CONCERN IS WE'VE HEARD AT THIS MEETING OR AT THIS COMMISSION HAS HEARD CITIZENS COME FORWARD AND SAY THAT THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS ESPECIALLY LIKE ISSUES LIKE DRAINAGE THAT ARE EITHER UNADDRESSED OR, YOU KNOW, LIABILITIES PASSED OFF OR WHATEVER AND SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING IF Y'ALL ARE PROTECTED BY STATE LAW.
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I GUESS IT'S JUST A POINT THAT THE PUBLIC HAS BROUGHT FORWARD, THAT I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH EVIDENCE OUT THERE TO SAY THAT, HEY, MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AS A CITY, AS A COMMUNITY AND SAY, IS THERE MAY BE SOME WAY BETTER TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THIS COMMISSION AND TALK ABOUT THEIR HOMES BEING DESTROYED AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WITHOUT ACTUALLY GOING AND HIRING SOME INVESTIGATORS AND THAT'S NOT MY JOB.BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN ANSWER AS FAR AS THE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT, ARE YOU GUYS ARE IN, ARE YOU ALL IN FLOOD ZONE? THERE'S NO THERE'S ZONE A ON THE EASTERN PORTION WITHIN THE CREEK AND FLOODPLAIN.
IT'S A FLOOD ZONE X A AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF OUR SUBMITTAL INTO THE CITY PRIOR TO OUR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.
SO THEY HAVE INITIAL REVIEW GOING INTO THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWING REVIEW.
WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIKE TWO DIFFERENT FLOODPLAINS THAT WE GO BY, FEMA'S AND THE COMMUNITIES, WHICH WAS DECIDED IN 2018 BASED ON, I THINK IT WAS KIMLEY-HORN STUDY.
WHICH ONE ARE WE GOING BY? ARE WE GOING BY LIKE THE WORSER OF THOSE TWO? YEAH. YOU'RE THE CITY CRITERIA IS MORE STRINGENT THAN FEMA'S CRITERIA.
SO IN ANY CASE, WHETHER IT HAS FEMA FLOODPLAIN DELINEATED ON IT, WHEN THERE'S A LARGER DRAINAGE BASIN, AS THE CITY CODE REQUIRES THAT WE PROVIDE A STUDY FOR A DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT AND IMPACT.
IN THIS CASE, WHEN YOU SEE A CREEK, I'LL SAY MORE OR LESS BISECTING THE PROPERTY WE DELINEATE THE DRAINAGE AREAS AND GO THROUGH THE MODELING OF THAT ASPECT AND AGAIN, YOUR CITY CRITERIA IS MORE STRINGENT THAN FEMA.
OKAY. HAVE Y'ALL OVERSIZE ANY OF YOUR RETENTION OR RETENTION PONDS OR ANY OF YOUR DRAINAGE JUST TO MAYBE HAVE, LIKE, A FUDGE FACTOR THERE IN CASE THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, GREATER STORMWATER ISSUES THAN ANTICIPATED.
WE HAVE NOT FINISHED THE FINAL DESIGN OF THESE PONDS.
I'LL SAY WE LOOK AT THE VARIOUS STORM EVENTS IN THIS CASE.
MR., I WILL NOTE THAT THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH PRELIMINARY DRAINAGE PLANS.
AND CITY STAFF WILL ENSURE THAT THE FULL ENGINEERING PLANS COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S DRAINAGE CRITERIA.
I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO I FELT LIKE IT'S WORTH SITTING HERE AND ASKING THE QUESTION WHILE IT'S FOR ME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DEVELOPER WHILE HE'S STILL STANDING HERE? OKAY. THANK YOU..
WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. FISHER. YOU REMIND ME, DO WE HAVE ANY EXCEPTIONS? AS FAR AS THIS, PLAN AT ALL OR THIS PROPERTY IS EVERYTHING.
JUST BY THE, I GUESS, BY THE BOOK IS WHAT I WANT AS FAR AS REVIEW REQUIREMENTS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I'LL SECOND A MOTION TO SECOND.
AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAY NO. DID WE GET FIVE?
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SORRY. I ABSTAIN.AYE. OKAY, MOTION CARRIES FOUR ZERO.
OKAY. LET'S JUMP BACK TO ITEM D TWO FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THAT'S NOW ON THE REGULAR AGENDA FP 20232393.
FINAL PLAT, SOUTH RIDGE PHASE THREE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FROM GRBK EDGEWOOD, LLC FOR FINAL PLAT APPROVAL ON A PROPERTY BEING A 49.349 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN THE THOMAS A ROAD SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 741 AND DAVID CHERRY, SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 166, CITY OF PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS.
THIS REQUEST IS FOR FINAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR A SUBDIVISION CONSISTING OF 224 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND EIGHT HOA LOTS, LOCATED OFF OF FM 75 AND 408. THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND INSPECTED BY CITY ENGINEERS AS WELL AS CITY STAFF.
AND JUST ANOTHER NOTE FOR A FINAL PLAT, A PRELIMINARY PLAT HAS TO APPROVE APPEAR BEFORE P&Z AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN A DETAILED CIVIL CONSTRUCTION DRAWING ENSUES, AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO START CONSTRUCTION UNTIL BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS ARE APPROVED.
WE'RE READY TO ACCEPT THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
I GUESS I'LL START SINCE I WAS THE ONE WHO PULLED IT TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
THERE ARE NO DRAINAGE PLANS HERE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SEE.
I THINK THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT WAS JUST SAID BY MR. FISHER. HE'S LIKE, HEY, THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
WE'RE STILL GOING TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN.
WELL, HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT A FINAL PLAT THAT DOESN'T HAVE DRAINAGE PLANS ATTACHED TO IT AND THAT KIND OF GOES AGAINST WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING, LIKE, HEY, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SEE THIS AGAIN.
YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE TO TO TO APPROVE THIS AGAIN.
WELL, HERE IT IS. THIS IS COMING UP AGAIN.
THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS VOTED ON LONG BEFORE I WAS HERE.
SO CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? WHY THE DRAINAGE PLANS AREN'T HERE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY TAKE A LOOK AT AND SEE IF IT ALL GOES WITH, YOU KNOW, IF IT MEETS CODE AND IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED OR, SOME NOTES THAT WE SHOULD BE REMINDED ABOUT FROM LONG BEFORE ANY OF US JOINED THE COMMISSION, MAYBE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MR. SUTTON HERE, WHO'S BEEN HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS WERE APPROVED BEFORE THEY EVEN STARTED CONSTRUCTION IN A DRAINAGE PLAN.
AS PART OF THAT, I HAVE THE APPROVED CONSTRUCTION PLANS AVAILABLE NOW ON THE SCREEN, BUT MOVING FORWARD WE CAN INCLUDE THEM AS AN ATTACHMENT, BUT THESE PLANS ARE APPROVED AND ARE NOT REALLY WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED TONIGHT.
BUT YES, THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED AND UNAPPROVED.
SO THEY'RE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO PART OF THAT WHEN IT COMES UP TO US FOR FINAL PLAT APPROVAL.
WE'RE NOT PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION OR WE HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE PAST.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THE FULL CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS DO NOT COME TO THE COMMISSION.
THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY STAFF TO APPROVE BY THE ORDINANCE.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS NOW BEEN BUILT AND IT'S BEEN INSPECTED.
BUT YEAH, WE CAN INCLUDE THEM AS A REFERENCE JUST TO FOR ASSURANCE THAT PROCESS DID HAPPEN.
SO WE'LL DO THAT MOVING FORWARD.
I HAVE THEM HERE ON THE SCREEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THEM NOW.
BUT YEAH MOVING FORWARD WE CAN PROVIDE THEM FOR YOU.
I THINK THOSE PROBABLY SHOULD BE PROVIDED FOR US.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN LOOK AT A SCREEN AND IN A FEW SECONDS OR A MINUTE AND TOTALLY MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING, IF IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT ALL THIS AND SEE, HEY, IS THERE ANY BETTER QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED? SO YES, I THINK THAT AT LEAST I WOULD AND PROBABLY OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS WELL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THINGS LOOK LIKE ONCE IT'S PAST THIS COMMISSION, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC'S TIME, WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY SIT HERE AND COME IN AND ASK QUESTIONS OR WATCH AT HOME TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.
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THAT IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO OCCUR IN A PUBLIC SETTING.WE'LL INCLUDE THOSE MOVING FORWARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM D TWO? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT.
20232393. I'LL SECOND HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.
WAS THE RESOLUTION ON THE LAST ITEM REGARDING.
THE EXACT SAME THING. IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING.
SO WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THE DRAINAGE PLANS AND THINGS THAT ARE DONE BETWEEN THE TIME P&Z PASSES THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE FINAL PLAT BE ACCESSIBLE TO COMMISSIONERS ON THE PRESENTATION.
WHEN THE ITEM COMES UP I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM D3 AND A MOTION TO APPROVE D3.
I'LL SECOND HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
OKAY. I THINK THAT DOES IT FOR TONIGHT.
[C. PUBLIC APPEARANCE]
SUTTON. YES, SIR. WE HAD A REQUEST TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE ITEM.WE HAD A COUPLE COME IN LATE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN REOPENING THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE HEARING ON ITEM E1? THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO. ITEM C, THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE.
OH, IF YOU ARE WILLING, THERE'S A REQUEST TO REOPEN THAT.
REOPEN THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE SECTION SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES.
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD.
YES, SIR AND JUST TURN THAT MICROPHONE BACK ON, PLEASE.
KEN SELIGMAN, 512 BUCKEYE AVENUE.
I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED HERE JUST NOW ACTUALLY ONE, THE ISSUE THAT YOU JUST APPROVED, THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU MOVED FROM CONSENT AGENDA TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
YOU FLASHED OVER IT A COUPLE OF TIMES, MR. FISHER. THE CITY CHECKLIST.
IT'S NOT SIGNED. SO THE PLAN IS BEFORE YOU.
THE PLAN. IT'S THE CITY IS NOT.
YOU GUYS APPROVED IT AND IT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY.
RIGHT. HE SCROLLED OVER IT A COUPLE OF TIMES.
THE CONCERN THAT MR. HEISS MADE ABOUT DRAINAGE AND POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH KIMLEY-HORN AND THE CITY EVEN HAS MORE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PLANS THAT WERE REVIEWED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THAT'S WHEN A LOT OF THE ENGINEERING WAS DONE BY SOMEONE ELSE.
THERE'S THERE ARE MULTIPLE PROBLEMS AROUND THE CITY WHERE PEOPLE, HOMEOWNERS ARE HAVING THEIR PROPERTIES AFFECTED BY DRAINAGE THAT WASN'T PROPERLY DIDN'T HAVE PROPER OVERSIGHT. SO THAT'S A REAL BIG CONCERN AND THIS SO THE ONE THAT YOU JUST MOVED I THINK THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA WAS THE WEST RIDGE.
IS THAT RIGHT? WEST RIDGE? YEAH. SO IT WAS JUST SUBMITTED TO.
THE CITY BY KIMLEY-HORN ON THE 12TH, AND IT WAS.
NO, IT WAS SUBMITTED ON THE 11TH AND APPROVED BY THE 12TH.
SO IT WAS SUBMITTED AGAIN BY KIMLEY-HORN.
APPROVED BY KIMLEY-HORN ON THE 12TH.
SUBMITTED BY THIS OFFICE ON THE 11TH.
APPROVED SUPPOSEDLY BY THIS OFFICE ON THE 12TH.
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I'M TOLD BY AN ENGINEER.YOU KNOW, I RECOGNIZE HE'S A CERTIFIED REGISTERED ENGINEER, I'M TOLD BY A PRACTICING REGISTERED ENGINEER WHO'S BEEN IN PRACTICE FOR A LONG TIME, WORKS FOR A LARGE PUBLIC ENTITY.
THAT IT'S AN ABSOLUTE CONFLICT OF INTEREST, DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT COMES FROM SEPARATE OFFICES.
SO, YOU KNOW, MR. HEISE'S CONCERN IS VERY VALID.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DOCUMENT THEY SUBMITTED AND TO BE QUITE HONEST, I WANT TO SEE THE STATE BOARD.
SO I THINK IT'S OF GREAT CONCERN, AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE ALL I HAD.
THANKS FOR THE HELP. I APPRECIATE YOU OPENING BACK UP.
THANKS FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'RE HELD UP A LITTLE BIT BY THE WEATHER.
MR. FISHER IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL FOR ADDRESSING WHAT MR. SELIGMANN JUST BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE BECAUSE I DO RECALL THIS BEING BROUGHT UP IN A, I THINK IT WAS ONLINE, MAYBE FACEBOOK OR SOMETHING, SOMEBODY IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY, OH, OUR CURRENT CITY COUNCIL PERSON THAT WAS JUST ELECTED, MISS TODD.
IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT WAS THAT THOSE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SIGNED, DATED.
CAN YOU POTENTIALLY TOUCH ON THAT? BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BY THAT PROCESS.
IS IT REQUIRED NUMBER ONE? SHOULD IT HAVE BEEN REQUIRED FOR ALL OF THESE THAT HAVE COME IN FRONT OF US? AND NUMBER TWO, IF IT'S NOT, IF YOU ARE TAKING IT OFF, WHY IS IT STILL ON THERE? I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO PUT THIS ON A FUTURE AGENDA SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE APPLICATION SPECIFICALLY ON THE AGENDA, BUT WE HAVE THE AGENDA OR THE APPLICATION ON THE SCREEN.
NOW, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING? CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN? THAT PART RIGHT THERE AT THE BOTTOM.
ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE DATE OF DECEMBER 11TH? I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SUBMITTAL CHECKLIST.
THE THE ENTIRE CHART DOWN THERE THAT HAS A CHECK.
THAT'S A CHECK. SORRY. THE ENTIRE CHART DOWN THERE.
THAT'S A CHECKLIST, ESSENTIALLY.
SO IT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP IS EXACTLY WHAT MR. SELIGMAN JUST BROUGHT UP, WHICH IS IT'S BLANK.
AND IS THAT NOT A REQUIREMENT? I BELIEVE IT WAS BROUGHT THIS ISSUE WAS BROUGHT BY A CURRENT CITY COUNCIL PERSON.
MISS TODD, WHO BROUGHT IT UP TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND WAS TOLD THAT IT'S YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO REMOVE IT FROM THE APPLICATION.
SO BASICALLY I'M GOING TO AGAIN THIS IS I'M A THIRD PERSON HERE.
I WAS NOT PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
BUT SINCE IT WAS BROUGHT UP, I THINK REQUESTING CLARITY BASED ON WHAT I HEARD MIGHT HELP.
WHY IS IT BLANK? IS IT A REQUIREMENT? AND IF IT'S NOT, IF YOU GUYS ARE A IF YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING ON REMOVING THAT FROM THESE APPLICATIONS, WHEN IS THAT GOING TO OCCUR? YEAH. STAFF DID REVIEW THE APPLICATION FOR COMPLETENESS.
THE REQUIRED ITEMS WERE PROVIDED.
WE CAN MAKE NOTE TO DO THAT MOVING FORWARD.
I EITHER EITHER WE MARK IT OR WE CAN HAVE IT REMOVED.
I HAVEN'T DECIDED YET, BUT I AGREE IT SHOULDN'T BE LEFT BLANK.
WE DID REVIEW THE APPLICATION.
A COMPLETE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED.
WE'LL CORRECT THAT MOVING FORWARD.
INFORMATION. NEXT MEETING ON THIS AGENDA SAYS MONDAY, JANUARY 20TH.
THAT'S A MR. SUTTON. I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE MORE PUBLIC APPEARANCE.
PUBLIC APPEARANCE? IS IT? OH. I'M SORRY.
I'M SORRY THAT IT'S OUT OF ORDER.
WE ACTUALLY STEPPED IN AT 6:34, AND THEY SAID WE MISSED THIS SECTION.
SO FIRST OFF, I'M A FAST TALKER.
THIS THE ENGINEER KIMLEY-HORN.
I DID LOOK IT UP JUST TO OUT OF MY OWN CURIOSITY, BECAUSE COMMON SENSE TELLS ME THAT THERE'S A CONFLICT AND I DID COME UP WITH A NATIONAL SOCIETY OF PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS OPINION ON IT, ON JUST THE CONFLICT BETWEEN THE COMPANY AND WORKING FOR THE CITY AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
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I'M KIND OF ANNOYED WITH MYSELF BECAUSE I PRINTED THEM ALL OUT FOR YOU, AND I LEFT THEM SITTING ON THE PRINTER, SO I'M JUST GOING TO PASS THIS ON TO HIM AND YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AT IT. THEY ALREADY HAD AN OPINION ON THERE THAT SAID THIS.THERE WAS A CONFLICT AND IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, ADVERTISING ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
I MEAN, THERE'S JUST CONFLICT, BUT WHATEVER.
I'LL LET YOU GUYS TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
IT WASN'T MY MAIN THING FOR COMING UP HERE.
ANOTHER THING WAS THIS THE 046 PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR 179 ACRES.
WELL, THERE'S 700 HOMES IN THERE THAT ARE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO GET APPROVED.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO BRING UP, BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE LOOKING TO APPROVE HOMES WHEN ON THE ACTUAL PAPER ON Y'ALL'S WEBSITE, IT SAYS THE INTENDED USE IS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND THEN OKAY, SO FORGET ALL THAT BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT ALL THAT.
WHAT I'M REALLY, HERE FOR IS, ARE YOU GUYS THE ONES THAT ARE DOING THE RESIDENTIAL DESIGN GUIDELINES? IS THAT YOUR ALL OR.
ALL RIGHT. WELL THAT'S FINE THEN.
THAT WAS IT. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE KIMLEY-HORN THING, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
IT'S COMMON SENSE THAT IF YOU USE THIS COMPANY HERE AND THE OTHER SIDE USES THAT COMPANY.
SO THE THING IS THEY COULD THEORETICALLY, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW, SAY, HEY, TO THE DEVELOPERS, WE CAN GET YOU 50% DISCOUNT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR AN ENGINEER, AND THE OTHER SIDE HAS TO PAY FOR AN ENGINEER.
SO IT'S A DIRECT CONFLICT, AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE OTHER ENGINEERING COMPANIES OUT THERE TO USE THE SAME ONE AND THAT IS WHAT THAT IS WHAT THIS PAGE IS ABOUT THAT I'M GOING TO GIVE TO HIM BECAUSE I'M SORRY I LEFT IT ON THE PRINTER.
OKAY. AND ANYWAY, THAT WAS IT.
OKAY, SO FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, IS IT POSSIBLE? MAYBE THIS IS A CORRECT QUESTION.
CRAIG, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET A LIST OF WHAT WE HAVE, LIKE, OUTSTANDING FOR LIKE PRELIMINARY?
[G. INFORMATION]
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PRE MORATORIUM.JUST SO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S OUT THERE.
YEAH. WE OUR DEPARTMENT HAS PUBLISHED A DEVELOPMENT MAP THAT SHOWS CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OR IT SHOWS LAND THAT'S BEEN ENTITLED OR HAS SOME LEVEL OF APPROVAL. I WILL MAKE A NOTE TO SEND A LINK TO THE COMMISSION TO THAT MAP.
IT SHOWS, I THINK, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE.
AND WHEN IT WAS SUBMITTED VERSUS, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF LIKE WHERE THEY'RE AT.
YES. OKAY. THAT DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY MAP SHOWS THOSE THINGS.
I'LL SEND YOU A LINK TOMORROW.
ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA? I DO, JUST KIND OF AN EXTENSION OF THAT.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS? THESE ARE COMING IN FRONT OF US.
THESE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS? AND OF COURSE, ONCE WE APPROVE THEM, YOU GUYS ADD THEM TO THAT DEVELOPMENT MAP THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, MR. FISHER. IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL FOR HAVING THAT PUBLISHED IN A GIS FORMAT? WHEN THEY ARE PUBLISHED IN FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE ONLINE.
AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AGAINST THE OTHER MAPS THAT ARE PUBLISHED ON THERE, FOR INSTANCE, THE FLOOD ZONE MAPS, THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE AROUND IT, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND IT.
BUT A LOT OF THESE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAPS THAT ARE SO ZOOMED IN, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO IN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GIVEN THIS INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, VERY FAR ADVANCED WE HAVE ACCESS TO AT THE SAME TIME AS THE REST OF THE PUBLIC DOES.
BUT AT LEAST THAT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE GIS VERSION OF THE PLATS PUBLISHED ON THE CITY WEBSITE AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY ARE, THAT THESE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLANS ARE PUBLISHED SO THAT WE CAN JUST HAVE ONE MORE PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT, ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, AND THE PUBLIC CAN HAVE SOME IDEA OF OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY COMING UP AND NOT HAVE TO SPEND HOURS AND HOURS FIGURING OUT WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THAT'S AROUND IT OR, WHAT IT MIGHT AFFECT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES IT DOES. THE RECENT DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY MAP IS AN INTERACTIVE ACTIVE GIS MAP.
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BUT IF THERE'S INFORMATION, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND WE'LL WORK CONTINUOUSLY STRIVING TO IMPROVE IT.SO I'LL SEND THAT LINK TO YOU TOMORROW.
YEAH. NO, I'M VERY AWARE OF IT.
WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS SO THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS, THE WHAT? WE HAVE NOT ACTUALLY VOTED ON YET.
WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHENEVER THIS INFORMATION IS GIVEN TO US, CAN IT ALSO BE PUBLISHED TO EVEN IF IT'S A SEPARATE MAP GIS MAP? BECAUSE THAT WAY, BEFORE I COME IN HERE, I CAN ZOOM IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT I'M VOTING ON AND SEE, HEY, IS THIS IN FLOOD ZONE? I DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ASK TEN QUESTIONS.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DOES IT MAKE SENSE? WHY? YES, SIR.
FOR A PLAN OR A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THAT ME AND THE PUBLIC MIGHT WANT TO SEE IT ON A MAP VERSUS JUST LOOKING AT THESE AT WHAT'S GIVEN TO US BY KIMLEY-HORN.
ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO A FUTURE AGENDA? ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? THERE'S NOTHING TO DISCUSS.
WELL, THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO GET INTO THAT I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I WAS REMINDED RECENTLY THAT MY CURRENT TWO YEAR TERMS EXPIRING AT THE END OF THE MONTH, AND I WAS ASKED HOW I WANTED TO PROCEED.
SO AFTER GIVING IT SOME THOUGHT, I DECIDED THAT EIGHT YEARS ON THIS COMMISSION, SIX YEARS AS CHAIRMAN HAS A PRETTY GOOD RUN, SO I'VE DECIDED TO STEP DOWN. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT COUNCIL HAS ALREADY MOVED TO FILL MY SEAT, SO I THINK THE P&Z WILL AT LEAST HAVE SIX MEMBERS ON IT, IF NOT SEVEN.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS TO MR. DAVENPORT, MR. FISHER CITY STAFF FOR ALWAYS BEING SUPPORTIVE, BEING GREAT.
MAYOR AND COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY MY CITY COUNCIL SPONSOR, MR. DEFIBAUGH, FOR CONTINUALLY RENOMINATING ME EVERY TWO YEARS AND YOU'LL SEE ME AROUND TOWN.
YOU JUST WON'T SEE ME SITTING IN THIS CHAIR ANY LONGER AND APPRECIATE YOUR KIND WORDS.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO ADJOURN.
I'LL SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.
AYE. MOTION CARRIES FIVE ZERO.
WE'RE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.