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[A. CALL TO ORDER]
AND WE WILL OPEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING.FIRST, WE'LL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I GUESS THERE'S NO FLAG IN HERE.
>> PENSE. COLE'S GOT A RED TIE.
CRAIG'S GOT A WHITE SHIRT AND A BLUE JACKET.
APOLOGIES. FIRST, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE.
[C. PUBLIC APPEARANCE]
SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK.THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO RESPOND TO OR DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS SECTION THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A SPEAKER'S INQUIRY OR CITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC APPEARANCE? MR. SELIGMAN?
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME? IT'S BEING RECORDED.
KEN SELIGMAN, 512 BUCKEYE AVENUE, PRINCETON.
I MOSTLY JUST WANTED TO COME AND SAY THAT I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS PRINCETON TOWN CENTER CONVEYANCE PLAT, AND I SEE IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
AFTER THE LAST MEETING, I EXPECTED A LOT TO HAPPEN.
SUPPOSEDLY THEY WERE GOING TO COME AND BRING INFORMATION ABOUT DRAINAGE.
THEY SAID THEY HAD IT PRETTY MUCH FIGURED OUT.
THEY JUST NEEDED TO ADDRESS A FEW MORE DETAILS.
I HAD A BUNCH OF ITERATIONS RUN ON THE DRAINAGE.
THEN ALL OF YOUR CONCERNS THAT YOU GUYS BROUGHT UP ON PARKING AND LANDSCAPING.
I APPRECIATE THE DETAIL AND LEVEL OF CONCERN YOU GUYS PUT INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND I APPRECIATE YOU GOING OUT AND LOOKING AT OTHER SHOPPING AREAS.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT FOR US.
ALL YOUR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, ALL OF YOU.
JUST LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, MY OWN THOUGHT IS, WHY CAN'T SOME OF THOSE TREES BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT? THERE'S SO MANY BEAUTIFUL TREES.
IF THERE'S A CONCERN FOR BEAUTIFICATION, LEAVE SOME OF THOSE TREES. THANK YOU.
IS ANYBODY ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC APPEARANCE? YES, SIR, PLEASE. JUST THE LITTLE BUTTON WITH THE MICROPHONE. YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND TAP THAT.
>> HELLO. MY NAME IS DAVID CARLSON.
I'M VISITING MY SON AND STACY HAVE THE PRINCETON POSTAL SHIPPING POST DOWN THERE BEHIND CHURCH OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT ROAD IT IS, BUT JUST BY CASEY, JUST BEHIND CASEY'S STOP.
ANYWAYS, I'M A HYDROGEOLOGIST AND A SURFACE WATER HYDROLOGIST, AND I HAVE REGISTRATIONS IN CALIFORNIA AND IDAHO AND UTAH.
KEN CAME INTO THE STORE THE OTHER DAY AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT.
I GUESS SOME OF THE ORIGINAL PLATS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO YOU HAD WHAT I WOULD CALL DETENTION PONDS, BASINS IN THERE TO ALLEVIATE THE PEAK FLOW GOING OFF.
THEN I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE DETENTION BASINS STILL WILL BE ON THE FINAL DESIGN, THEY WILL BE PUT IN THERE BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT AND ROUGHLY, YOU'LL PROBABLY HAVE 56 ACRES OR 60 SOME ACRES OF FLAT SURFACE CEMENT, AND YOU'LL GET A TREMENDOUS RAINFALL, WHETHER IT'S A ONE YEAR PEAK FLOOD OR A FIVE YEAR RAINFALL EVENT OR A TEN YEAR RAINFALL EVENT, YOU'LL GET A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RUNOFF FROM THAT AREA, AND UNLESS YOU HAVE OR REQUIRE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUTTING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE DETENTION BASINS,
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IT'LL FLOOD EVERYTHING DOWNSTREAM.I PUT IN SEVERAL DETENTION BASINS IN CALIFORNIA AND NEVADA TO ALLEVIATE THE PEAK FLOW. THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO DO.
THEY'RE BIG ENOUGH, YOU ALLEVIATE THE PEAK FLOW AND AFTER THE PEAK FLOW GOES DOWN, YOU CAN START LETTING SOME OF THAT WATER OUT AND EVERYBODY'S HAPPY.
DOWN THE STREAM, USERS ARE NOT FLOODED, BUT WITHOUT DETENTION BASINS, AND WE HAVE SOFTWARE THAT CAN DETERMINE WHAT THE PEAK FLOW WOULD BE WITH LET'S SAY 60 ACRES OF CONCRETE.
WE HAVE THE SOFTWARE MODELING THAT WE'VE DONE THAT ON THE PROJECTS IN CALIFORNIA AND NEVADA.
BUT I WAS JUST INTERESTED WHEN HE SAID, THE DETENTION BASINS WERE PROBABLY GOING TO BE TAKEN OUT, AND THAT RAISED A BIG RED FLAG IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT SOME PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM ARE NOT GOING TO APPRECIATE THE WATER COMING ONTO THEIR PROPERTY.
BUT IF YOU CAN MANAGE IT WITH DETENTION BASINS, EVERYBODY SHOULD BE GOOD.
I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT THE DEVELOPER DOES CONTRACT SOMEBODY WHO WOULD DO THESE STUDIES TO DETERMINE PEAK FLOW AND HOW MUCH WATER YOU'D BE RUN OFF AND YOU PUT THAT IN THE DETENTION BASIN AND ALLEVIATE THE FLOODING DOWNSTREAM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> MR. CARLSON, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO SPEAK.
I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAT UP HERE, AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOES OCCUR.
>> YOUR LICENSES ARE, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE THE SAME ACROSS ALL 50 STATES.
>> I'M SORRY. YOU PROBABLY SHOULD BE SPEAKING TO THE MICROPHONE.
I GUESS THE POINT THAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT THE POINTS THAT YOU, IS THE GREEN MICROPHONE SO LONG? THE POINTS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE ARE APPLICABLE IN TEXAS AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH YOU OF STATE THE SAME REQUIREMENT.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE CONCRETE.
IT'LL BE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RAINFALL JUST GO RIGHT DOWNSTREAM, BUT EVERYTHING I'VE MADE POINTS WILL BE APPLICABLE IN NEVADA, TEXAS, MISSISSIPPI, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> I'M GLAD ANOTHER GEOSCIENTIST IS HIGHLIGHTING THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO BRING UP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO YOU MIND TURNING THAT MICROPHONE OFF BEFORE YOU WALK AWAY FROM THOSE STAGE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> COME ON, MR. SELIGMAN. YES, SIR.
>> I ACTUALLY RAN INTO A GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES IN THE HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, WHERE ALL THIS WATER DUMPS.
THEY'RE VERY AWARE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT ITS IMPACT WILL BE ON THEIR PROPERTY.
I EXPECTED HIM TO COME TONIGHT.
I'M NOT SURE WHY HE ISN'T HERE.
THERE'S AN ELDERLY WOMAN WHO IS HIS MOTHER AND THEN HIS SISTER WHO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY.
THE MOTHER WAS SICK AND IN THE HOSPITAL WHEN I BUMPED INTO HIM.
THAT MAY HAVE AFFECTED WHY HE'S NOT HERE.
BUT HE DID SAY THAT THE DEVELOPER HAD SPOKEN TO THEM.
HE SAID ONE TIME AND MADE A VERY, MENIAL ATTEMPT TO GIVE THEM SOME PAYMENT FOR AN EASEMENT, A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT WAS REALLY NOT EVEN OF CONSIDERATION.
THEY BASICALLY HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO HAPPEN.
LIKE I SAID, HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO COME TONIGHT, I'M NOT SURE WHY HE'S NOT HERE, BUT PROBABLY DUE TO FAMILY ILLNESS.
>> ANYBODY ELSE HERE FOR PUBLIC APPEARANCE? I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC APPEARANCE AT 6:42 P.M. AND MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.
[D. CONSENT AGENDA]
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ALL CONSENT AGENEMS LISTED ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS THE COMMISSIONER SO REQUESTS IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FOR THE MCCSEN AGENDA AND CONSIDERED IN ITS NORMAL SEQUENCE ON THE AGENDA.
>> MR. COMMISSIONER, I WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM D2 AND D3 TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA, PLEASE, FOR FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.
>> AT THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER ELLIS, WE'LL MOVE A CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS D2 AND D3 TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
I ALSO WANT TO NOTE, I WANT TO NOTE TO CRAIG AND COLE? I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO PULL IT FROM THE AGENDA. MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS.
I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ASKED BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED.
THERE ARE SOME VERY MINOR ISSUES IN THERE.
THIS SOMEBODY JUST NEEDS TO PROOF READ THE MINUTES FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND REPLACE SOME NAMES.
THERE'S SOME NAMES IN THERE THAT ARE OF PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE NO LONGER ON THE COMMISSION.
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO, I THINK IT'D BE EASY TO CATCH.
DO I NEED TO PULL THIS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA IN ORDER TO?
JUST MAKE A MOTION TO CONDITIONALLY APPROVE IT BASED ON FIXING THE TYPOS.
>> AGAIN, WE'RE PULLING WE'RE PULLING ITEMS D2 AND D3.
THE ONLY ITEM LEFT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS IS THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION ONE TO CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THAT BASED ON CORRECTING THE MINOR YEARS?
>> A MOTION THAT WE CONDITIONALLY APPROVED THE MEETING MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 18TH, BASED ON CORRECTIONS PENDING.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION. CAN WE GET A SECOND?
>> ROLL CALL. WE'LL TAKE A VOTE FIRST, NIKKI KRUM.
>> JASPER DODSON AND CHRIS COOPER AND BRIAN SHIFLETT ARE NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
THE MOTION PASSES FOUR TO ZERO.
NEXT WILL BE THE PUBLIC HEARING,
[E. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM E1Z A 20243021.THIS IS ZONE MAP AMENDMENT FOR PRINCETON TOWN CENTER BY TRINATION GLOBAL INVESTMENTS P 67 PARTNERSHIP.
THE PARTNERSHIP IS WITHDRAWING THIS REQUEST.
CRAIG FISHER, I BELIEVE, MR. FISHER, YOU HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. HISS. CRAIG FISHER, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BACKGROUND TO THE WITHDRAWAL REQUEST.
THE DEVELOPER HAS REQUESTED TO WITHDRAW THEIR ZONING AND DEVELOP THE PROPERTY IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE CURRENT ADOPTED PD ZONING.
THERE'S EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY THAT ALLOWS FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER.
THEY IN THEIR DESIGN, HAD COME FORWARD AND WE'RE REQUESTING TO AMEND THOSE STANDARDS TO REDUCE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND LANDSCAPING AND SOME SIGNAGE.
THEY'VE NOW DECIDED TO WITHDRAW THAT, AND THEY'RE DESIGNING THEIR SITE TO COMPLY WITH CITY ORDINANCE AS ADOPTED TODAY, SO THEY WILL COMPLY WITH PARKING, LANDSCAPING AND SIGNAGE ON THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE AN APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT ON THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE CURRENTLY REVIEWING THEIR DETAILED CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS THAT ADDRESS DRAINAGE THAT WILL ADDRESS THE PARKING AND STAFF IS DILIGENTLY REVIEWING WHAT'S NOW OUR FOURTH SUBMITTAL OF CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE COMPLIANT PLANS BEFORE ANY PERMITS ARE ISSUED.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT REQUEST TO WITHDRAW?
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IS THERE AN OVERARCHING REASON TO GET TO THE ROOT OF THE POINT, WHILE YOU'VE GIVEN A REASON HERE THAT THEY FELT THEY COULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS WITHOUT DOING THE ZONING CHANGE.>> THIS WAS TABLED LAST MEETING.
A FEW THINGS WERE BROUGHT UP, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PARKING.
ONE THING THAT BECAME A STICKING POINT WAS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE.
ARE THOSE CONNECTED IN ANY WAY? DID THEY MENTION THAT THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO MEET THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
>> NO, SIR. I DID NOT GET ANY INCLINATION FROM THEM THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE DIFFICULTY MEETING THE DRAINAGE CRITERIA.
I HAVE THE LETTER THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
THEY'RE ASKING TO WITHDRAW, AND THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT AMENDING THEIR ZONING.
THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ENTITLEMENTS THEY HAVE IN PLACE.
I DON'T HAVE ANY INITIAL INSIGHT AS TO THEIR REASONING.
I DON'T KNOW IF CONCESSIONS IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE ANY AMENDMENTS OF THE PLAT AS FAR AS THE SETBACK BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE SETBACK TO HAVE THE GREEN SPACE, WHICH I WAS, REALLY IN FAVOR FOR AND LOOKING FORWARD TO.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
I KNOW THERE'S SOME OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO AGREE TO STILL DO ANY PART OF THAT TO AMEND IT AND STILL KEEP SOME GREEN SPACE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
>> THEY WILL MEET THE CITY'S LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY.
THEY WERE PROPOSING A 35-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG US 380.
ONLY 10 FEET IS REQUIRED BY CODE.
WITH THIS, TO ACCOMMODATE THE REQUIRED PARKING, THEY'RE GOING TO REDUCE THAT TO 30 FEET, SO STILL THREE TIMES WHAT IS REQUIRED.
THEY'LL HAVE A 30-FOOT LANDSCAPE EDGE ALONG THE FRONT, BUT TO ADD IN THE EXTRA PARKING, THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE FIVE OF THE FEET THAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO HAVE.
BUT THEY WILL PUT THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING UP FRONT.
THEY'RE GOING TO ADD PARKING TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDINGS FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, BUT THEY WILL COMPLY WITH CODE FOR PARKING.
>> DO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING TO ADD IN REGARDS TO THIS?
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE JUST A NOTE.
OBVIOUSLY, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD ABOUT DRAINAGE STILL STANDS.
THEY HAVE ANOTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
THE WAY I READ IT, THE WAY I SEE IT, DRAINAGE IS SECONDARY TO THAT, IT'S NOT RELATED TO THAT AT ALL.
I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT I STILL WILL BE FOLLOWING THIS, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAINAGE IS DONE RIGHT FOR REASONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY THE OTHER HYDROLOGIST HERE AND THAT I BROUGHT UP BEFORE.
I DO THINK THAT PRINCETON'S AT A POINT TO WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR RESPONSIBLE GOOD DEVELOPERS, AND I GUESS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CONCERNED ME IS THAT THEY'RE DOTTING THEIR IS AND CROSSING THEIR TS.
I DID SEE SOME THINGS ON THEIR DRAINAGE PLAN THAT STILL ALARM ME.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THEY'VE TURNED IN THEIR THIRD REVISION OF THE DRAINAGE PLAN TO YOU RECENTLY, AND YOU GUYS ARE STILL REVIEWING IT?
>> CORRECT. WE RECEIVED A FOURTH SUBMITTAL OF THEIR CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS ON FRIDAY.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO REQUEST THOSE, WE CAN SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THEM TOGETHER.
THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS ARE STAFF-APPROVED ITEM, BUT THEY ARE PUBLIC RECORD.
I'D BE HAPPY TO WALK YOU THROUGH IT OR SET UP A MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER, THEIR DESIGN ENGINEER TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS YOU HAVE.
>> ABSOLUTELY. AGAIN, I THINK IT'S ALL A MOOT POINT AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT I WILL BE FOLLOWING UP ON IT.
I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT HE'S A GOOD DEVELOPER, AND I HOPE THAT THEY CONTINUE TO PROVE THAT AND ARE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP DURING THE PUBLIC APPEARANCES TONIGHT.
I THINK ARE THE SAME EXACT ISSUES THAT I'VE BROUGHT UP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THEY WANT TO ADD.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DID I FORGET TO OPEN THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE?
>> OPEN THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE AT 6:52 P.M.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR LINE ITEM ON THE AGENDA?
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I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:52 P.M. WE'LL MOVE ON.>> MR. HISS, WE WILL NEED A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWAL.
>> I GUESS I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE DEVELOPER TO WITHDRAW THEIR REQUEST FOR A ZONING CHANGE FOR ITEM E1, PUBLIC HEARINGS.
>> FIRST AND SECOND. LET ME SECOND. [LAUGHTER]
>> WE HAVE ONE MOTION ENTERTAINED.
>> KEVIN HISS. YES. THE MOTION PASSES 4-0.
DO I HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I GUESS I ALREADY DID.
MOVING ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
[F. REGULAR AGENDA]
I'D ORIGINALLY ENTERTAIN MOVING THE ITEM F3 TO THE BEGINNING OF THE REGULAR AGENDA.THEN ALSO, OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE ITEMS D2 AND D3 ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.
BEFORE I DO THAT, THE GENTLEMAN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ADVOCATED FOR THE DEVELOPERS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, DIDN'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO WAIT THROUGH ITEM F3, WHICH MAY TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
BEFORE MAKING THE DECISION TO FOREGO THAT AND KEEP IT AT THE END OF THE AGENDA, I JUST WANT TO REACH OUT TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HERE AND SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE THOUGHT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO MOVE ITEM F3 TO THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA.
>> WE'LL GO AHEAD AND KEEP THAT AT THE END OF THE AGENDA.
WE'LL START WITH ITEM D2: CONVEYANCE PLAT, PRINCETON TOWN CENTER DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE REQUEST OF TRI-NATION GLOBAL INVESTMENTS, P67 PARTNERSHIP FOR CONVEYANCE PLAT APPROVAL FOR PROPERTY BEING 66.623-ACRE TRACT OF LAND, SITUATED IN HARDEN WRIGHT SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 957, CITY OF PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS.
>> ALL RIGHT. A CONVEYANCE PLAT IS STRICTLY FOR SUBDIVIDING PROPERTY.
IT'S A LEGAL MEANS TO SUBDIVIDE AND CREATE ADDITIONAL PARCELS FROM AN EXISTING PARCEL.
THERE ARE NO DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS ASSOCIATED WITH A CONVEYANCE PLAT.
IT'S STRICTLY TO SUBDIVIDE PROPERTY, SO IT CAN BE SOLD LEGALLY TO OTHER ENTITIES OR OTHER GROUPS.
THAT IS WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED TONIGHT.
THE DEVELOPER FOR PRINCETON TOWN CENTER IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A CONVEYANCE PLAT TO SUBDIVIDE THE TRACT OF LAND INTO SEVEN PARCELS.
NONE OF THOSE PARCELS CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPMENT UNTIL THEY HAVE APPROVED CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
THAT ANSWER PERHAPS ANY CLARIFICATION THAT'S NEEDED FOR WHAT A CONVEYANCE PLAT IS.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THIS ITEM IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS IT MEETS THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES REQUIREMENTS FOR A CONVEYANCE PLAT.
>> I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
FOR A CONVEYANCE PLAT, IT DOES SAY THAT'S BASED ON FOUR LOTS.
ALSO, IF YOU LOOK AT APPENDIX OR EXHIBIT B, EXHIBIT B ONLY SHOWS SIX LOTS.
IF YOU COMPARE WHAT THE LOTS ARE THAT ARE MARKED IN EXHIBIT B TO WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY GIVEN TO US BACK IN AUGUST, THEY'RE TOTALLY DIFFERENT LOTS ALTOGETHER.
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>> THEN I CAN'T MATCH IT TO THE ORIGINAL EXHIBIT B PLAT THAT WE WERE GIVEN.
>> THIS IS THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT. LOT 2 IS IN THERE.
>> LOT 2 IS ON THE FAR EASTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON THAT SECOND SHEET.
>> THANK YOU. BUT IN REGARDS TO THE FACT THAT CONVEYANCE IS FOR FOUR LOTS BECAUSE IT SAYS MINOR AMENDMENT ON THE APPLICATION, SO IT SAYS FOR FOUR LOTS.
THIS IS FOR SEVEN, AND IT ALSO SAYS FOR THINGS THAT ARE NOT FOR IMMEDIATE CONSTRUCTION.
WOULDN'T IT BE CONSIDERED IMMEDIATE CONSTRUCTION IF WE'RE TIMELINE IS JANUARY OF 2026?
>> THIS DEVELOPER IS HOPING TO BREAK GROUND IN A FEW MONTHS TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION, BUT THE CONVEYANCE PLAT IS SEPARATE FROM ANY CONSTRUCTION PERMITTING.
I THINK THERE IS AN ERROR ON THEIR APPLICATION.
THEY MISTAKENLY CHECKED A MINOR PLAT.
MINOR PLATS ARE LIMITED TO FOUR LOTS OR FEWER, BUT THIS IS A CONVEYANCE PLAT, IT'S NOT A MINOR PLAT.
THEY CANNOT DEVELOP WITH APPROVAL OF THIS CONVEYANCE PLAT.
THEY'LL HAVE TO GET APPROVAL OF THEIR CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS BEFORE ANY CONSTRUCTION CAN COMMENCE.
AS FAR AS IT DIFFERING FROM THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THAT IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT, IT'S WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT AT THE TIME.
SOME THINGS HAVE CHANGED, MINOR CHANGES.
IT'S STILL BASICALLY THE SAME DEVELOPMENT, A LARGE SHOPPING CENTER WITH BIG BOXES AND SMALL RETAIL BUILDINGS UP FRONT.
THE GENERAL LAYOUT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE CONVEYANCE PLAT.
MOVING FORWARD AFTER THEY DO GET THEIR PERMITS, THEIR CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS ARE APPROVED, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THOSE SET IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO SUBMIT A FINAL PLAT FOR EACH LOT.
THEY MAY SUBMIT THAT TOGETHER.
IT COULD COME IN SEPARATELY, EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT.
THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PLAT, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, ANOTHER APPLICATION WILL BE BROUGHT BEFORE THIS COMMISSION BEFORE THEY CAN OCCUPY ANY BUILDINGS THEY CONSTRUCT.
TYPICALLY, YOU'LL SEE A CONVEYANCE PLAT AT THE VERY BEGINNING BEFORE A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
IT'S A LITTLE OUT OF THE TYPICAL ORDER, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE GOAL WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
>> NO. I KNOW I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, AND AT LEAST OUR ENTIRE COMMISSION, WE DEFINITELY WANT THIS.
>> WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S BUILT CORRECTLY, SAFELY, PROPERLY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.
>> ABSOLUTELY, THAT'S WHAT I WANT AS WELL.
MY STAFF IS WORKING DILIGENTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANS THEY SUBMIT CONFORM TO ALL CITY CODE.
BACK TO THE APPLICATION, HOW DO WE GET THAT CORRECTED BECAUSE IT DOES SAY AMENDED MINOR PLAT? I UNDERSTAND THERE ISN'T SOMETHING ON HERE FOR CONVEYANCE PLAT, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CORRECTED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION THAT SHOWS CONVEYANCE PLAT IN ORDER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE OF THE MINOR PLAT BEING ONLY FOR FOUR LOTS AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR SEVEN.
>> SURE. I HEAR YOU. WE HAVE SINCE UPDATED OUR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION AS OF A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, AND THE CONVEYANCE PLAT IS NOW AN OPTION ON OUR PLAT APPLICATION.
THEY SUBMITTED THIS BEFORE THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE.
WE CAN HAVE THEM PROVIDE AN UPDATED APPLICATION BEFORE THIS GOES TO CITY COUNCIL.
>> NO PROBLEM. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S DONE.
>> TO ADD TO THAT MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE SAVED THIS FOR THE END OF THE MEETING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A REQUEST THAT ON THE APPLICATION, BASICALLY, SO THAT IT COMES ACROSS BOTH TO THE DEVELOPER AND TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL TO INCLUDE ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF EACH OF THOSE PLATS, MAYBE IN LIKE A PACKET IN THE BACK OR SOMETHING BECAUSE, FOR INSTANCE, I ASSUME THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS IN ADDITION TO MYSELF HAD TO LOOK UP WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OF A CONVEYANCE PLAT.
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WOULD BE NICE IF EACH LINE ITEM THAT'S ON THE APPLICATION IS INCLUDED AT THE END OF THE PERMIT PACKET WHERE THEY SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, SAY, HERE'S THE REQUIREMENTS, ALL OF THE LINE ITEMS FOR THIS TYPE OF PLAT, AND WHETHER IT'S A CONVENIENCE PLAT OR AMENDED PLAT, MINOR PLAT, MAJOR PLAT.>> IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE?
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY, THAT'S WELL RECEIVED.
WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING A DETAILED CHECKLIST FOR ALL OF OUR APPLICATION TYPES.
I ANTICIPATE THOSE CHECKLISTS BEING FAIRLY LENGTHY, THAT CLEARLY SPELL OUT TO EACH APPLICANT OR DEVELOPER WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR EVERY PLAN OR PLAT TYPE.
THOSE ARE IN THE WORKS AND I'M EXCITED TO HAVE THOSE AVAILABLE, AND THEY'LL BE PART OF THE PACKETS MOVING FORWARD.
A DEVELOPER WILL USE THEM IN REVIEWING THE PLANS, AND WE'LL PROVIDE THEM TO YOU-ALL WITH EACH APPLICATION SO YOU CAN VERIFY AND SEE THAT THEY'RE MEETING ALL OF THOSE CHECKLIST ITEMS.
>> THANK YOU. I DID HAVE A QUESTION.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU COULD ANSWER.
MAYBE WE MIGHT NEED THE ASSISTANT ATTORNEY, GRANT HERE FOR IT. MAYBE YOU CAN.
I'LL ASK IT ANYWAY. IT'S SPECIFIC TO LIABILITY.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY JUST GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL CONCERN ABOUT DRAINAGE SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S ACTUALLY SET IN STONE.
YOU GUYS ARE STILL REVIEWING THE THIRD PLAN THAT'S COMING, AND FROM WHAT I SEE THERE, IT'S LIKE THE DRAINAGE APPEARS TO GO.
I WISH I HAD THE MAPS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WE USUALLY HAVE A COMPUTER.
I'M NOT ABLE TO SEE IT, BUT BASICALLY THE STORM DRAIN ENDS DIRECTLY INTO A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER, WHICH IS BOTH DIRECTLY INTO A FLOODPLAIN AND A PROPERTY, WHICH AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, AND AS FAR AS THEY MENTIONED THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS MEETING, THEY DO NOT HAVE A EASEMENT FOR, EVEN THOUGH THEY SAID THAT THEY ATTEMPTED TO GET IT, DID NOT GET IT, BUT ARE GOING AHEAD.
MY QUESTION IS, AS THESE ARE SPLIT UP, DOES THAT AFFECT LIABILITY? WE'RE TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE PASSING OFF LIABILITY IF THINGS AREN'T DONE RIGHT WHEN IT COMES TO DRAINAGE.
IF THERE ALL, FOR INSTANCE, ISSUES DOWNSTREAM WITH FLOODING, ISSUES WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, IF THEY INCREASE THE FLOOD RATE OR THE FLOW RATE THROUGH THAT PROPERTY, OR IF THE REQUIREMENTS BY TCEQ, THE TEXAS COMMISSION ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, IN THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR DRAINAGE ARE NOT MET.
BUT BY DOING THIS, ARE THEY PASSING OFF LIABILITY TO OTHER POTENTIAL OWNERS THAT ARE NOW BROKEN UP INTO THESE SEVEN DIFFERENT PLATS?
>> SURE. I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
EACH LOT, EACH PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, HOWEVER, THEY BREAK IT UP, WILL HAVE TO COMPLY TO THE CITY'S DRAINAGE CRITERIA.
MR. DAVENPORT HAS PULLED UP THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS THAT WE RECEIVED FRIDAY, AND WE'RE JUST REVIEWING THESE NOW.
THERE IS A DETENTION POND PROPOSED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S SHOWN IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE.
A LOT OF IT'S NOT ENTIRELY SHOWN ON THIS SHEET, BUT THERE'S A LARGE DETENTION POND, AND THEN THAT OUTFALLS INTO THE EXISTING DRAINAGE OR CREEK THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.
THEY HAVE HEAD WALLS, THEY HAVE RIPRAP, THEY HAVE THE DETENTION POND TO SLOW DOWN THE FLOW OF THE WATER.
WE COULD LOOK AT THESE PLANS IN DETAIL OFFLINE.
IF YOU WANT TO SIT DOWN IN MY OFFICE, BE HAPPY TO SHOW YOU WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
BUT THE CONVEYANCE PLAT IN NO WAY REALLY IS LOOKING AT DRAINAGE. THAT'S ALL SEPARATE.
TONIGHT'S CONVEYANCE PLAT IS STRICTLY TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY SO THEY CAN LEGALLY SELL IT TO DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
HONESTLY, I'M GRATEFUL THEY'RE DOING THAT.
WE HAVE MANY DEVELOPERS THAT TRY TO CIRCUMVENT THAT.
THEY'LL SELL LOTS BY MEETS AND BOUNDS, AND THEY'LL SELL PROPERTY ILLEGALLY.
THIS, IN MY OPINION, IT'S GOOD THAT THEY'RE GOING THE LEGAL ROUTE OF SUBDIVIDING THEIR PROPERTY.
>> I APPRECIATE ALL THAT. I KNOW YOU GUYS DID NOT HAVE TO SHOW US ABOUT THE DRAINAGE.
I KNOW THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE ANYTHING RELATED TO DRAINAGE ON WHAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED TONIGHT HERE,
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AND I APPRECIATE THEM DOING THAT.I GUESS I DO WANT TO NOTE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT THIS ITEM DOES NOT GRANT ANYTHING THAT'S IN THIS DOCUMENT, THAT'S IN THEIR SUBMISSION HERE, OTHER THAN THE SUBDIVISION OF THESE PROPERTIES.
THERE'S DRAINAGE DRAWN ON THERE.
IT DOESN'T GRANT ANY NEW MAPS, ANYTHING OTHER THAN SPECIFICALLY THE SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THEY DID SHOW ACCESS EASEMENTS ALONG PROPERTY LINES SO THAT EACH LOT CAN HAVE LEGAL ACCESS TO THE FUTURE DRIVE AISLES THAT WILL BE BUILT IN THE PARKING LOT.
THEN YES, SOME OF THOSE ARE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS BECAUSE THEY STRADDLE PROPERTY LINES.
PROVIDING THOSE EASEMENTS NOW WILL ALLOW EACH LOT TO DEVELOP SEPARATELY IF THEY SO CHOOSE, SO THAT EACH LOT HAS LEGAL ACCESS AND THEY HAVE THEIR SHARE OF THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT AS NEEDED TO DEVELOP.
AS EACH LOT COMES IN, WE WILL ENSURE THAT THEY MEET THE CITY'S DRAINAGE CRITERIA.
>> BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GETTING INTO WHERE WE NEED AN ATTORNEY HERE TO INTERPRET THINGS, BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT WILL BE INDIVIDUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DRAINAGE ASPECT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT UP THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT THE DRAINAGE IS GOING OUT PARTICULAR PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY, FOR INSTANCE, THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER IS ONE SUBDIVISION OF IT, DOES THAT MEAN THEY ACCEPT ALL THE LIABILITY FOR ANYTHING THAT GOES OFF, BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE DEVELOPER AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, THEY'RE SLOPING THE CONCRETE TOWARDS THE BACK, AND SO I GUESS THAT JUST CONFUSES ME HOW EACH INDIVIDUAL LOTS RESPONSIBLE FOR DRAINAGE.
BASICALLY, IS IT MAKING IT SO THAT THE LOT THERE AND BACK IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT COMES ONTO THEIR PROPERTY? AGAIN, I KNOW THAT THIS DECISION HERE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DRAINAGE ITSELF, AND I APPRECIATE YOU GOING INTO IT.
MORE THAN ANYTHING, AND NOT THAT I'M SAYING HE DOESN'T OR WON'T, BUT WANT TO MAKE SURE HE HAS EVERY REASON TO MAKE SURE THAT HE APPROACHES DRAINAGE IN A PROPER WAY SO THAT ONE PARTICULAR BUYER OF A PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS NOT LEFT HOLDING THE BAG. THINGS LIKE THAT.
>> SURE. UNDERSTOOD. IT'S A REGIONAL DETENTION SYSTEM FOR THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER.
IT'S ALL BEING DESIGNED TO FLOW TO THAT DETENTION POND.
I DON'T KNOW THE INTRICACIES OF HOW THEY'RE WORKING OUT THEIR VARIOUS LEASES OR HOW THEY'RE SELLING THE PROPERTY, BUT THEIR CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT WE'RE REVIEWING TODAY ARE BUILDING A REGIONAL DETENTION POND FOR THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER, SO THAT WILL BE BUILT WITH PHASE 1.
THEN AS EACH OTHER PHASE COMES ONLINE, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THE FLOWS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EXCEED WHAT WAS DESIGNED IN THE POND.
>> AGAIN, I KNOW THIS IS NOT RELEVANT TO THIS PARTICULAR LINE ITEM BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DRAINAGE, AND IT'S NOT AFFECTED BY DRAINAGE AND DOES NOT AFFECT DRAINAGE, BUT SINCE IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE PUT BACK IN THE DETENTION POND THAT THEY TOLD US THEY ORIGINALLY HAD DECIDED NOT TO DO.
THIS IS THE THIRD CHANGE IN THE FOURTH DRAINAGE PLAN THAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT, AND THEY SEEM TO BE RELATIVELY MAJOR CHANGES.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS THAT EVEN "MINOR CHANGES", AS FAR AS THE STATE OF TEXAS IS CONCERNED, WHEN IT COMES TO DRAINAGE, IN PARTICULAR, THAT REQUIRES A PLAT TO BE RESUBMITTED.
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE BECAUSE AT THE FIRST MEETING BACK IN AUGUST, I WAS TOLD SOMETHING AS A RESPONSE.
IT'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS ABOUT DRAINAGE.
THE ANSWER THAT I GOT FROM THE KIMLEY-HORN ENGINEER, WAS THE REASON THAT I VOTED YES ON IT.
IF I HAD GOTTEN A DIFFERENT ANSWER FROM HIM, I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED YES ON IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
BUT WHEN WE GO WHEN IT WENT TO COUNCIL A WEEK LATER, THE DRAINAGE PLAN HAD CHANGED.
THEN IT HAD CHANGED AGAIN THE LAST TIME IT CAME BEFORE US, AND NOW IT'S CHANGED AGAIN.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S CHANGING FOR THE BETTER.
I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO NIT PICKY HERE, BUT AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THESE CHANGES BASED ON STATE LAW, TYPICALLY MEAN THAT THAT PLAT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO COME BACK THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING AGAIN SO THAT WE CAN APPROVE THAT NEW DRAINAGE PLAN, AND ESPECIALLY SINCE I THINK IT'S RELEVANT THAT THE ANSWER THAT I WAS TOLD AT THE FIRST MEETING WHEN IT WAS APPROVED BACK IN AUGUST,
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HIS EXACT WORDS WERE THAT HE MISSPOKE, BUT IN ANY CASE, HE TOLD ME SOMETHING THAT AFFECTED MY VOTE THAT WAS NOT TRUE.>> SUMMARIZE. ARE WE GOING TO SEE THIS BACK TO P&Z TO WITH THE FINAL DRAINAGE, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE AGAIN UNTIL IT'S A FINAL PLAT?
>> YES, IT WILL NOT BE SEEN BY THIS BODY UNTIL IT'S A FINAL PLAT.
I'VE DISCUSSED THE DRAINAGE AND THE PLATTING SITUATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND HE'S OF THE OPINION THAT THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH THEIR APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT.
IT SHOWS A ROUGH IDEA OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO HANDLE DRAINAGE.
WE'RE NOW WORKING ON THE NITTY GRITTY DETAILS IN THE CONSTRUCTION DESIGN REVIEW.
TODAY, THE MAJORITY OF THE WATER FLOWS OFF OF THAT SITE TO THIS POINT INTO THE EXISTING NATURAL DRAINAGE CREEK, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
IT'S A SMALL CHANNEL THAT NATURALLY EXISTS TODAY.
THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO FLOW INTO THAT AS THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO DETAIN AND HOLD WATER IN THEIR DETENTION POND DURING AN EVENT, AND THEN THAT'S DESIGNED TO SLOWLY RELEASE WATER AT THE SAME RATE, WHICH IT LEAVES TODAY.
THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL, THE CITY'S DRAINAGE CRITERIA.
NATURALLY, ANY SITE WILL RECEIVE RAINWATER, WATER WILL FLOW OFF OF THAT AT A GIVEN RATE, AND THAT'S THE PRE-DEVELOPED CONDITION, AND THEIR POST DEVELOPMENT CONDITION CANNOT EXCEED THOSE RATES.
THAT IS WHAT WE'RE CHECKING FOR IN OUR REVIEWS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GOING OVER THAT.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT THAT MATCHES WITH MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT, BUT IN ANY CASE, AGAIN, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW.
I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THESE ISSUES BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER WHO THEY'VE DECIDED THAT THEY ASKED FOR AN EASEMENT FROM AND WERE NOT GRANTED THE EASEMENT BY THEM, AND HAVE DECIDED TO CONTINUE TO DRAIN THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY.
I KNOW IT IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT, AND I FELT IT'S A GOOD TIME TO TOUCH ON IT.
SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE PUTTING IN DETENTION PONDS, I WILL FOLLOW IT, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. I APPRECIATE IT.
I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE MADE CLEAR THAT YOU'RE AN OPEN BOOK AND ALL THIS IS OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO CHECK ON.
I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE PLAT THAT WE'VE SEEN HERE, AND THIS IS RELEVANT TO BOTH WHAT WE SAW LAST TIME AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING THIS TIME.
THE ORIGINAL PLAT THAT WE APPROVED BACK IN AUGUST IS LARGER.
I THINK IT'S A 93-ACRE PLAT, AND THE EASTERN MOST PORTION WAS BROKEN OFF.
IT'S ABOUT 30 ACRES ROUGHLY, AND THAT'S NO LONGER PART OF IT.
NOW, MY INITIAL UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THAT WAS SOLD OR SOMETHING TO BE PART OF TEXAS ROADHOUSE. IS THAT RIGHT?
>> THE LOT THAT TEXAS ROADHOUSE IS DEVELOPING IS INCLUDED IN THIS CONVEYANCE PLAT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE UP FRONT IN WHAT'S SHOWN AS LOT 3.
THEY'LL HAVE FRONTAGE RIGHT ON 380.
>> WELL, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE APPROVED BACK IN AUGUST AND YOU LOOK AT THIS ONE, MAYBE I'M WRONG ABOUT IT, IT MAY BE THE GROCERY STORE.
>> THE GROCERY STORE STORE IS A SEPARATE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS SHOPPING CENTER.
WHEN THEY'RE ALL BUILT AND DEVELOPED, IT WILL LOOK LIKE ONE COHESIVE SHOPPING CENTER, BUT THEY'RE BEING DEVELOPED SEPARATELY.
>> BUT IT WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF THIS PLAT BACK IN AUGUST WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY IMPROVED?
>> I +DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
>> YES, [INAUDIBLE] PLAT IN AUGUST.
>> HERE'S ANOTHER PART. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, I DON'T KNOW THE LAW HERE.
WAS THIS SUPPOSED TO COME BEFORE US WITHOUT HAVING US RE-PLAT IT ALREADY AND SOLD OF? DID THEY SELL IT? IS THAT WHAT OCCURRED?
>> I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE HOW THE PROPERTY HAS CHANGED HANDS, BUT YOU CAN HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR 100 ACRES.
YOU CAN THEN COME AND DEVELOP JUST 15 OF IT.
THE PRELIMINARY PLAT CAN BE FOR THE WHOLE THING, AND THEN YOU CAN LATER COME IN AND DIVIDE PORTIONS OF IT AND DEVELOP PORTIONS.
MOST DEVELOPMENTS, THEY'LL DO A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THEIR WHOLE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN THEY'LL COME IN AND BUILD THINGS IN PHASES.
PART OF ALL WE'RE SEEING TONIGHT,
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66 OF THOSE ACRES, THEY'RE ASKING TO CHOP THAT UP IN THE PARCELS.I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE MEETING MOVING FORWARD.
LET'S CONSIDER WHAT'S THE SUBJECT AT HAND.
LET'S DISCUSS IT OFFLINE FOR ANY OF YOU, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, MAKE A MEETING WITH ME.
I'D BE HAPPY TO GO OVER THE DETAILED QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
I WOULD ASK THAT WE KEEP THE MEETING FOCUSED ON THE CONVEYANCE PLAT.
>> I FELT LIKE THIS WAS MORE FOCUSED TO WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE BREAKING A LARGER PLAT UP AND THEY'RE SUBDIVIDING IT INTO SMALLER PORTIONS.
NOTHING CAME ACROSS THE COMMISSION THAT SEPARATED THAT 30-ISH ACRES FROM THE PIECE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT.
THERE WAS NO SUBDIVISION THERE THAT CAME ACROSS THE COMMISSION HERE.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT REQUIRED.
WHEN IT ORIGINALLY CAME TO US, IT WAS LIKE 93 ACRES, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 66-ISH.
THAT'S NOT REQUIRED TO ACTUALLY INCLUDE THAT IN THE AMENDMENT THAT'S OCCURRING TONIGHT, THEY NEVER NEEDED TO COME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND SEPARATE THAT PROPERTY?
>> NO, THEY DON'T. LOTS LARGER THAN FIVE ACRES IN SIZE, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO A PLAT TO SUBDIVIDE IT TO SELL.
THE CONVEYANCE PLAT HAS SOME LOTS THAT ARE SMALLER THAN FIVE ACRES SO THUS THEY'RE DOING THE CONVEYANCE PLAT.
IF YOU HAD LARGE TRACKS, 100 ACRES, YOU'RE DIVIDING IT INTO TWO, A 66 AND A 33-ACRE, YOU COULD DO THAT WITHOUT A PLAT.
>> THE MATTER WAS THAT THEY BROKE IT OFF, SOLD IT, AND THEY RESURVEYED IT, AND THAT'S WHAT SUBMITTED TO US IS WHAT'S LEFT.
>> THANK YOU. I KNOW YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND YOUR THOROUGH RESPONSES.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT I KNOW WERE IRRELEVANT TO THIS, BUT I THINK IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY [OVERLAPPING]
>> I WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
FOR CITY COUNCIL, WE HOLD WORK SESSIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETINGS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR THIS BODY TO HAVE WORK SESSION OPPORTUNITIES PRIOR TO BECAUSE THESE ARE EXCELLENT QUESTIONS, AND I THINK THAT GIVING YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS IN THAT FORMAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL.
JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
>> THANK YOU, MS. TODD. I THINK THAT IS A GOOD SUGGESTION.
PERHAPS WE CAN WORK THAT INTO THE FUTURE AGENDAS.
>> FISHER HAS ALREADY REACHED OUT TO ME AND SAID HE'LL DO OTHER MEETINGS FOR MY MILLION QUESTIONS, SO I'M NOT BOTHERING EVERYBODY AND CAN COME UP HERE WITH A LOT OF THEM ANSWERED, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I KNOW YOU GUYS JUST HAD A LOT OF THESE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED TO YOU ON FRIDAY, SO A LOT OF IT'S INFLUX AND UNDECIDED, AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
AS MUCH QUESTION AS THERE WAS AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, I FELT LIKE IT WAS WORTH ASKING, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE IN ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THE DEVELOPERS DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT.
>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONVEYANCE PLAT, CP20243021.
>> I DID WANT TO MAKE ONE AMENDMENT TO THAT, THAT WE GET THE PROPER APPLICATION THAT SHOWS CONVEYANCE PLAT ON IT.
>> I'M SORRY, THAT SHOWS WHAT?
>> CONVEYANCE PLAT VERSUS WHAT IT'S UNDER NOW.
>> WE'LL GET AN UPDATED APPLICATION USING OUR CURRENT APPLICATIONS SO THEY CAN CHECK THE RIGHT BOX BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE BASED ON AMENDING THE DOCUMENT SO THAT IT SHOWS THAT IT'S A CONVEYANCE PLAT.
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IS THE FINAL PLAT FOR PRINCETON BUSINESS PARK, BLOCK C. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FROM PRINCETON I-9 LLC, RETAIL AT PRINCETON 9 LLC FOR FINAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR A PROPERTY BEING 9.9 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN THE HARDEN WRIGHT SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 957, CITY OF PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS.>> THIS REQUEST IS FOR FINAL PLOT APPROVAL FOR AN EXISTING SHELL BUILDING OFF OF BEACHAM AND MYRICK.
THIS PLOT HAS BEEN BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL AND WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
AFTER APPROVAL, THE PLAT WAS SIGNED BUT NEVER FILED WITH COLLIN COUNTY.
SO IT'S APPEARING BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AGAIN, AND WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK TO CITY COUNCIL.
BEFORE COLLECTING THE NECESSARY SIGNATURES TO GET FILED, THE EXISTING USE IS GOING TO BE FOR ACTION BEHAVIOR CENTER, WHICH IS A AUTISM EDUCATION SCHOOL.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ALL HAVE REGARDING THIS.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. SORRY. ON THE APPLICATION, IT SAYS IT'S A REPLAT AND NOT A FINAL PLAT.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. THEY'RE SYNONYMOUS.
>> OKAY. THEN I GUESS I'M CONFUSED.
IS THIS A REPLAT OR IS IT A FINAL PLAT? IF THEY'RE SYNONYMOUS, THEN WHY DO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.
REPLAT AND FINAL PLAT, BOTH HAVE THE EXACT SAME REQUIREMENTS, SO YOU CAN CALL IT A REPLAT, YOU CAN CALL IT A FINAL PLAT.
IT'S CALLED A REPLAT BECAUSE THEY ARE REPLATING THIS PROPERTY.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY PLATTED AND NOW IT'S APPEARING BEFORE P&Z AGAIN CITY COUNCIL.
>> BUT I THINK CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, COMMISSIONER ELLIS, THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE LINE ITEMS CHECK BOXES ON THE PERMIT APPLICATIONS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE HONEST WITH ONE ANOTHER, THEN WHY WOULD THERE BE TWO SEPARATE OPTIONS ON THE PERMIT?
>> I BELIEVE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE FIXING WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> WHY DIDN'T REPLAT BE WHERE THEY'RE REPLATTING IT, CHANGING IT IN A FINAL PLAT BEING WHERE IT'S THE FINAL PLAT.
>> I THINK WHAT IT IS IS THAT IT DID COME THROUGH AS A FINAL PLAT AND WAS APPROVED, BUT THEY DIDN'T FILE IT.
IT COMING BACK THROUGH AGAIN AS A REPLAT, IT'S BECAUSE THEY JUST NEED US TO APPROVE IT AGAIN, BUT THE FINAL PLAT ITSELF HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.
THEY JUST HAVE TO RESUBMIT IT.
THAT'S WHY IN THIS MOMENT, THEY'RE ONE AND THE SAME.
>> ARE YOU SAYING THAT A CLERICAL ERROR MADE THAT THE RIGHT BOX TO CHECK?
>> IT'S ON THEM IT WASN'T SUBMITTED.
SO THEY HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO US FOR ANOTHER APPROVAL.
BUT IT'S THE FINAL PLAT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
>> YES. THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS A FINAL PLAT, BUT THEY CHECKED REPLAT BECAUSE THEY'RE REPLATING.
ESSENTIALLY THE FINAL PLAT IS BEING BROUGHT BACK AGAIN, SO IT'S BEING REPLATTED, AND THE LOT LINES ARE BEING ESTABLISHED.
>> WELL, I GUESS THIS GOES BACK TO WHERE HAVING THESE CHECKLISTS FOR ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLATS WOULD BE HELPFUL.
BUT DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER ELLIS?
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION?
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT FOR PRINCETON BUSINESS PARK BLOCK C FP20221859.
>> WE HAVE A FIRST. CAN WE GET A SECOND?
>> WE'LL CALL ROLL. COMMISSIONER ELLIS.
>> COMMISSIONER HISS VOTES YES.
ONTO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM F1, PRELIMINARY PLAT SMITH FUNERAL HOME.
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AND RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST FROM CHARLES SMITH FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR PROPERTY BEING 0.840-ACRE TRACT OF LAND, SITUATED IN THE HARDEN WRIGHT SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 957,
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CITY OF PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS.>> THIS REQUEST IS FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A FUNERAL HOME OFF OF 380 IN COLDWELL STREET.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONE C2, THIS USE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN SATISFIED AND WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDERGOING A MORE IN-DEPTH CIVIL CONSTRUCTION REVIEW.
FIFTY-SEVEN COMMENTS STILL REMAIN ON THE CIVILS, AND THEY'RE ON THEIR SECOND SUBMITTAL OF THESE.
ALL THESE COMMENTS HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THEY CAN GET A FULL RELEASE FOR CONSTRUCTION.
THAT BEING SAID, THE PLAT BEFORE YOU ALL HAS MET CITY STANDARDS FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
>> WELL, THIS IS REALLY INCONVENIENT.
I WAS EXPECTING TO HAVE THE COMPUTER IN FRONT OF ME AND I DIDN'T PRINT ALL THIS OUT.
BASICALLY, I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
OH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WELL, THE APPLICANT SIGNATURES ARE NOT COMPLETED ON THE SUBMITTAL CHECKLIST.
I SEE A NOTE OF AMENDED MINOR PLAT AND PRELIMINARY PLAT.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY MAYBE WENT OVER WITH THE COMPUTER ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND PUT AN X THEREAFTER IN INK, THEY PUT IN AMENDED PLAT.
IT'S GOT A DATE THERE OF 6-16 ON THE DATE OF PRE-APPLICATION.
THEN I SEE AUGUST 14TH, WHERE THEY'VE WAIVED THEIR SECTION 212 RIGHTS.
THERE WAS ANOTHER DATE ON HERE, KIMLEY-HORN HAS THEIR FINAL COMMENTS SUBMITTED ON FEBRUARY 24, 2025.
I GUESS, JUST THIS TIMELINE IS VERY STRANGE.
IT GOES BACK, EIGHT, NINE MONTHS, WE HAVE SEPARATE CHECK MARKS CLEARLY DONE AT SEPARATE TIMES FOR THE APPLICATION. IT'S JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED HERE?
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THIS PROJECT WAS GOING ON BEFORE I WAS WITH THE CITY, I BELIEVE.
I'M NOT SURE WHY AMENDED MYER PLAT WAS CHECKED.
THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT AND CONTAINS PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING.
AS FAR AS THE DATE OF THE PRE-APPLICATION GOES, THAT'S THE DATE THAT THEY FIRST SUBMITTED FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, SO IT WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE ROUGHLY AROUND THAT TIME.
THAT IS WHEN THEY FIRST MADE CONTACT WITH THE CITY.
>> THE MISSING APPLICANT INITIALS?
>> I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY DIDN'T INITIAL IT AND SEND IT OVER.
THAT'S MORE OF A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
ISN'T THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD REQUIRE BEFORE TURNING IT OVER TO KIMLEY-HORN, OR IS KIMLEY-HORN THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT ALL THIS IS DONE? WOULD THAT BE KIMLEY-HORN'S FAULT FOR SENDING IT OVER TO US AND DOING THE APPROVAL WITHOUT THAT?
>> NO, IT IS NOT KIMLEY-HORN'S FAULT.
ALL THESE ITEMS WERE PROVIDED TO US.
THEY SIMPLY JUST DIDN'T CHECK THE BOXES.
>> IS THAT SOMETHING THEY ALL ARE GOING TO REQUIRE IN THE FUTURE SO THAT YOU HAVE TO ELIMINATE PESKY QUESTIONS FROM MISSIONS?
ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? I THINK IT'S STILL STRANGE, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT.
IT SEEMS LIKE AS LONG AS THE CITY'S NOT LIABLE OR WHATEVER FOR HAVING HELD THE PROCESS UP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AS FAR AS IT APPEARS, TO YOU GUYS, IT'S THE DEVELOPER HOLDING THINGS UP. IT'S NOT THE CITY.
>> I'M GOING TO SAY ANYONE'S HOLDING ANYTHING UP.
THE CITY'S DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
AGAIN, WE'VE REVIEWED THIS PLAT RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, AND WHEN THEIR SECOND REVIEW OF CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS WHERE IT'S A LOT MORE DETAILED, 57 COMMENTS STILL REMAINS.
THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE FOR THEY CAN ACTUALLY START FULL CONSTRUCTION.
>> IS THERE A TIME FRAME ON THE RESPONSES FOR THE 57 QUESTIONS? THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS.
>> THEY RECEIVED COMMENTS ON FEBRUARY 24TH, SO WE ARE WAITING FOR THEIR ENGINEERING TEAM TO ADDRESS THOSE IN A RESUBMIT.
AFTERWARDS, WE WILL REVIEW THAT.
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IF THEY'VE ADDRESSED ALL THE COMMENTS, THEY'LL BE RELEASED FOR CONSTRUCTION.IF THEY HAVEN'T, THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO RESUBMIT AGAIN UNTIL ALL COMMENTS ARE ADDRESSED.
>> I'LL ADD THAT THOSE COMMENTS ARE NOT ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THEY'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THE OUTSTANDING COMMENTS ARE ON THEIR DETAILED CONSTRUCTION PLANS.
>> WILL THAT COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION?
>> [OVERLAPPING] NO, THOSE ARE STAFF.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION?
>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR SMITH FUNERAL HOME PL 20253065.
>> WE HAVE FIRST AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM F1 FOR SMITH FUNERAL HOME.
>> COMMISSIONER HISS VOTES, YES.
ONTO ITEM F2, PRELIMINARY PLAT SHOPS AT CYPRESS BEND, DISCUSSION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION, AND RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST FROM SHOPS AT CYPRESS BEND, LLC, FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A PROPERTY BEING 4.886 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN THE HARDEN WRIGHT SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 957, CITY OF PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS.
>> THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS REQUESTS ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM.
THIS IS FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A RETAIL STRIP CENTER OFF OF 380 IN CYPRESS BEND, PROPERTY ZONE C1, AND USAGE IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.
THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET IN A FULL CIVIL REVIEW IS UNDERWAY.
SECOND REVIEW OF THESE PLANS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AS WELL AND 38 COMMENTS ARE MADE ON THIS ONE.
JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS ITEM, FULL CONSTRUCTION WILL NOT BE RELEASED UNTIL THESE ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED, BUT PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING STANDARDS HAVE BEEN MET, SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
>> SORRY. I HAVE SOME NOTES ON THIS ONE AS WELL.
AGAIN, I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THE CHECKLIST AGAIN WAS AN ISSUE AND THEN HAVING MULTIPLE ITEMS CHECKED ON THE APPLICATION.
THIS SEEMS TO BE A CONSISTENT THING AND THEN THE DATES SEEMS LIKE JUST A LOT OF THIS MIGHT BENEFIT FROM BEING TIDIED UP.
FIRST, I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE INSANELY BUSY AND UNDERFUNDED AND OVERWORKED, AND I THINK MR. FISHER HAS LESS PEOPLE WORKING FOR HIM NOW THAN HE DID WHEN HE CAME HERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF MINOR STUFF HERE THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM BEING TIDIED UP.
MR. FISHER HAS MADE CLEAR THAT HE'S IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING CHANGES BOTH BEFORE THIS MEETING AND TONIGHT.
BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S WORTH NOTING THERE'S A LOT OF THESE LITTLE THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP LIKE MULTIPLE CHECK BOXES FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF FLATS BEING PUT ON HERE.
DATES MISSING. I THINK THAT'S A BIG THING FOR ME, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE ON A 30 DAY TIMELINE FOR THESE, WHICH I THINK WILL BE CLARIFIED IN THE LAST ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA TO KNOW BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME QUESTION WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, LIKE WHAT DATE WAS THIS APPLICATION PUT IN? I KNOW THAT THAT THEY'RE ON A 30 DAY TIMELINE, AND I'M LIKE IS THIS AN ISSUE? CAN WE TABLE IT? I THINK IT'S JUST SOMETHING WORTH NOTING, WHILE GIVING YOU GUYS THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT GOING ON, BUT OBVIOUSLY, THINGS WILL BE APPRECIATED IN OUR END, I'M SURE THE APPLICANTS AS WELL IF THESE THINGS ARE CAUGHT AND CLARIFIED AHEAD OF TIME.
>> IT'S A GOOD POINT, I DO HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS.
WE'RE WRAPPING UP THE HIRING PROCESS THIS WEEK TO HAVE A NEW STAFF MEMBER JOIN THE CITY.
AS A PLANNING TECHNICIAN, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO HELP TIDY UP SOME OF THESE THINGS AND GIVE US ANOTHER PERSON TO GET ANOTHER SET OF EYES ON THESE SMALL DETAILS.
WE'LL DEFINITELY BUTTON THAT UP MOVING FORWARD.
WE'RE EXCITED THAT WE'RE GROWING AND APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT.
>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY AS WELL, DON'T MAKE ANY MISTAKE, IT IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY'RE CHECKING OTHER BOXES AS FAR AS THE DATES GO.
AGAIN, THIS PROJECT WAS IN PROGRESS BEFORE I WAS WITH THE CITY AS FAR AS THE DATE OF A PRE APPLICATION CONFERENCE, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD NOT HAVE OR BE ABLE TO FIND.
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I'M NOT SURE IF THE DEVELOPER HAS THAT AND JUST DIDN'T ADD TO THE APPLICATION, BUT I KNOW THIS APPLICATION WAS SENT TO US ON, I BELIEVE EARLY MARCH.>> IT IS GOING TO INCLUDE THE DATE OF PRE APPLICATION THAT'S UP THERE ABOVE THE APPLICATION TYPE CHECK BOXES.
I'VE MADE THIS COMMENT, I THINK A FEW MONTHS AGO ABOUT THEM CONSISTENTLY BEING BLANK.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO ENSURE TO BE INCLUDED REGULARLY? DATES AGAIN, ARE IMPORTANT THING FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE ON THIS 30 DAY TIMELINE.
THEN I GUESS ANOTHER QUESTION IS THE DATE THAT KIMLEY-HORN PUTS SO FOR INSTANCE, MARCH 10TH ON THIS ONE, IS IT CORRECT TO ASSUME THAT MARCH 10TH IS THE BEGINNING OF THAT 30 DAY TIMELINE?
>> THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK STARTS WHEN THEIR APPLICATION IS COMPLETE.
WHEN THEY'VE COMPLETELY MET ALL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REQUIREMENTS, PROVIDED AN APPLICATION.
YEAH, THAT WAS EARLY MARCH THAT ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS WERE SATISFIED.
>> THAT PRECEDES THE MARCH 10TH DATE NOTED ON THE KIMLEY-HORN'S NOTES, EXHIBIT C? BECAUSE AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, I HAVE NOTHING TO TELL WHERE OUR 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK STARTS.
>> I DON'T HAVE THAT DATE AVAILABLE.
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THAT TO BE CONSISTENT.
>> YES. THIS WAS PROVIDED MARCH 3RD OF THIS APPLICATION, AND KIMLEY-HORN APPROVED IT ON MARCH 10TH, SO IT'S ALL WITHIN 30 DAYS.
THE TIME THAT KIMLEY-HORN WAS WORKING ON IT TO APPROVE, IT IS PART OF THAT 30 DAY TIMELINE AND SO APRIL 3RD WOULD BE THE END OF THE SHOT CLOCK.
>> SHOT CLOCK STARTS WHEN THE APPLICATION IS COMPLETE? THEY HAD BEEN REVIEWING IT PREVIOUSLY.
THEY GOT A COMPLETE APPLICATION ON THE 3RD.
THEY MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE 10TH.
>> IT DID START ON THE 3RD, THE SHOT CLOCK? I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THAT GETS BACK INTO WHAT WE SHOULD BE GOING OVER TONIGHT.
SOMETHING THAT WAS A MAJOR QUESTION HERE.
YEAH, IF YOU GUYS COULD MAKE SURE THAT THAT DATE IS INCLUDED AND I ASSUME THAT THAT DATE IS WHAT WOULD GO IN THE REQUIRED DATE THAT'S BLANK UP HERE AT THE TOP OF THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, THAT WOULD SAY MARCH 3RD IF THEY HAD.
>> YES. THAT'LL BE THE DATE THAT WE RECEIVE A FULL APPLICATION.
THE LAND STUDY SITE PLAN CHECK MARK IS.
>> I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT WAS CHECKED.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION, SIMILAR TO THE LAST STRIP PLAZA THAT WE APPROVED.
THIS ONE SEEMS TO BE VERY CLOSE TO AN EXISTING STRIP PLAZA, IF I'M CORRECT. NO.
>> YES. SITS RIGHT NEXT TO FREDDY'S.
>> IT IS WITHIN THE VICINITY OF MULTIPLE STRIP.
I'M SORRY, I'M NOT SURE THE DEVELOPERS.
>> ITS FREDDY'S WHERE MY CURSOR IS.
>> IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CYPRESS BEND FROM A STRING. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN?
>> YEAH. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AGAIN, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S ONLY FIVE LOTS, BUT I'M OKAY WITH IT AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN ANOTHER NAIL SALON.
>> I JUST WANT TO REITERATE. THIS IS FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
>> THE USAGE IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE DEAL.
>> THAT ONE HAS THE OLD 212 WAIVER ON IT, IS THAT CORRECT? ON THE APPLICATION.
ARE YOU ABLE TO ZOOM TO THERE OR SCROLL TO THERE? THAT'S THE OLD ONE. I KNOW MR. FISHER, THAT YOU'VE UPDATED THIS AND YOU FIXED IT AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THAT'S AMAZING BUT THIS IS MARCH 3RD, I GUESS I'M WONDERING WHY A MARCH APPLICATION STILL HAS THIS AS YOUR AMENDMENT TO THIS APPLICATION THAT HAS THIS VERBIAGE AND THIS PAGE CHANGED THAT RECENT TO WHERE A MARCH 3RD.
>> IT'S VERY RECENT. I THINK WE FINISHED ALL OF THE REVISIONS AND POSTING THE NEW APPLICATION LAST WEEK.
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IT'S ALL VERY FRESH THAT WE HAVE APPLICATIONS.>> IT WAS ONLINE WHEN YOU SHOWED ME?
>> YES. IT WAS POSTED ONLINE NOW.
>> I GUESS WE PROBABLY WILL SEE MAYBE A COUPLE OF STRAGGLERS AND THAT STILL HAVE THIS.
>> MOVING FORWARD, AT THIS POINT, FOR NEXT MEETING, WE CAN MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ALL THE UPDATED APPLICATIONS. ABSOLUTELY.
>> I THINK THERE WAS NO SIGNATURES ON THAT CHECKLIST AS WELL.
>> YEAH, THAT WAS HONESTLY AND ERROR BY MYSELF.
I HAVE THE CORRECT DOCUMENT PRINTED OFF.
WE JUST DIDN'T SAVE IT CORRECTLY WHEN THE AGENDA WAS UPLOADED.
THE INITIALS FROM THE CITY SIDE SHOULD BE THERE ON THIS APPLICATION OVER HERE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT.
IT'S SIMPLY JUST MY INITIALS, BUT ALL THE ITEMS ON THE CHECKLIST WERE PROVIDED AND LOOKED OVER BY CITY STAFF.
>> LET ME TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT, COLE.
DO YOU MIND SCROLLING DOWN, MR. FISHER TO THESE MAPS, JUST SLOWLY.
>> IS THERE AN ENGINEER SEAL MISSING ON THIS ONE? I THINK THAT ONE HAS IT. AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF ME.
I THOUGHT ONE OF THEM WAS MISSING AN ENGINEER'S SEAL.
>> THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT, SO THE ENGINEER WON'T SEAL AND SIGN PLANS UNTIL THEY'RE FULLY APPROVED FOR CONSTRUCTION.
THE FINAL PLAT, WHEN THAT COMES BACK IN AFTER CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE, THERE WILL BE A SIGNED AND SEALED VERSION OF THE FINAL PLAT THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR APPROVAL.
>> THEY JUST PUT THEIR INFORMATION ON HERE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY SIGNATURES OR ANY STAMP OR ANYTHING.
FOR SOME REASON, I THOUGHT THAT I HAD IN MY NOTES AGAIN, THAT THAT SOMETHING WAS MISSING WITH THE ENGINEER.
SOMETHING WAS DIFFERENT ON ONE OF THE MAPS.
IT'S GOT IT ON FREDDY'S. THEY HAVE A SEAL.
IF YOU SCROLL DOWN TO PAGE 11-12, THE LAST MAP ON THERE. THAT ONE.
>> THIS IS A REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT OR IT'S A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BROKEN INTO DIFFERENT PIECES.
WHEN FREDDY'S WAS BUILT, THEY BUILT THE REGIONAL DETENTION POND FOR THIS WHOLE AREA.
THIS STRIP CENTER IS GOING TO ALSO BE DRAINING INTO THAT SAME POND THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED SO THAT'S WHY THESE SHEETS, THEY'RE FROM FREDDY'S CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT BUILT THE REGIONAL DETENTION POND FOR THE WHOLE AREA.
>> THAT MAKES SENSE. IT'S NOT REQUIRED YET FOR ANY OF THEM AS FAR AS THIS IS CONCERNED, BUT FREDDY'S ALREADY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND THEREFORE, WHAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED IS A FINISHED PRODUCT.
>> WITH AN ENGINEER SEAL ON IT?
>> YES. THAT'S RIGHT. IN THIS DRAWING, YOU CAN SEE FREDDY'S ON THE FAR LEFT IN THE LOWER IMAGE AND THEN THE DETENTION POND IS ALL THE WAY ON THE FAR RIGHT.
WHEN FREDDY'S WAS BUILT, THEY BUILT THEIR RESTAURANT, THEIR PARKING, AND THEN THEY BUILT THE NECESSARY DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE, PIPING TO GET OVER TO THE DETENTION POND THAT'S ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE, AND THAT'S NOW BUILT, AND THEN THIS DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND FILLING IN IN BETWEEN FREDDY'S AND THE DETENTION POND.
THEIR PLANS ARE JUST FOR THEIRS, BUT THEY'RE REFERENCING THESE APPROVED PLANS.
>> ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM F0.2 PL 20253066 FOR THE SHOPS AT CYPRESS BEND.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL ROLL, COMMISSIONER ELLIS?
>> AND COMMISSIONER HISS VOTES, YES.
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>> BOTH CRAIG AND COLE, I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU GUYS DO. YOU DO A LOT.
I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT UNDERSTAND THESE ARE JUST AGAIN, QUESTIONS, JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROCESS IS DONE PROPERLY AND EVERYTHING, SO WE DO APPRECIATE.
>> ONTO ITEM F3, P&Z PLATTING 101 TRAINING.
THIS IS DISCUSSION AND TRAINING REGARDING THE PLATTING PROCESS AND PROCEDURES.
MR. FISHER AND MR. DAVENPORT WERE KIND ENOUGH TO GO OVER THIS WITH ME EARLIER IN THE WEEK.
THEY'RE DOING A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, WHICH I THINK IS GOOD, MAYBE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE BUILT ON, AND I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SPOON FEED US OVER THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YES. THAT SEGUES PERFECTLY INTO MY INTRODUCTION THAT I HAD PLANNED.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A SERIES OF TRAININGS, SO I'M THINKING A HALF HOUR AND YOU ALL TELL ME WHEN YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF HERE.
THIS CAN BE AS SHORT AS YOU WANT OR AS LONG AS YOU WANT, BUT IT IS PROPOSED TO BE A SERIES OF TRAININGS.
I'M GOING TO PUT IT ON THE NEXT THREE AGENDAS.
WE'LL HAVE A BLOCK AND HAVE SOME MATERIAL PREPARED.
MY THOUGHT WAS A HALF HOUR, SO THAT PUTS US AROUND 8:15, 8:20.
BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND WE NEED TO GO LONGER, YOU HAVE THESE SLIDES AVAILABLE TO YOU.
JOT DOWN YOUR QUESTIONS, EMAIL ME THE QUESTIONS, AND WE CAN PICK IT UP WHEREVER WE LEAVE OFF TODAY WITH THE NEXT MONTH'S TRAINING.
BUT THE OTHER PURPOSE WAS TO WE HAVE SOME NEW COMMISSIONERS, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE ANY TRAINING, BUT THIS WILL BE AN ONGOING THING AS NEW COMMISSIONERS COME ON, WE'LL REVISIT THIS TRAINING AS NEEDED BUT IF YOU ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
TODAY, WE WANT TO GO OVER PLATTING.
WHAT ARE PLATS? WHAT ARE THE PURPOSE OF PLATS? I HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THESE SLIDES.
THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER BY MYSELF AND THE CITY ATTORNEY.
I'M NOT GOING TO READ YOU EVERY WORD FROM IT.
YOU CAN DO THAT ON YOUR OWN, BUT I JUST WANT TO GO OVER SOME BASICS, A PLAT IT MEANS TO SUBDIVIDE AND THEN CONSEQUENTLY DEVELOP PROPERTY.
>> THE PROCESS OF PLATTING IS PUTTING TOGETHER A DRAWING.
CITY ORDINANCES REQUIRE THAT TO BE DONE BY A LICENSED SURVEYOR WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS.
THE PLAT WILL CONTAIN LOT LINES, IT WILL SHOW PROPOSED EASEMENTS OR WILL SHOW WHERE ROADS OR RIGHT OF WAY WILL BE, AND IT WILL BECOME A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT WILL THEN BE FILED WITH COLLIN COUNTY.
AND IT COULD BE USED BY REAL ESTATE AGENTS, FUTURE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE USED BY THE PUBLIC BY CITY TO UNDERSTAND CERTAIN RIGHTS THAT ARE GIVEN TO A PROPERTY.
SO PLOTTING IS REQUIRED IN THE CITY OF PRINCETON AND IN OUR ETJ OR OUR EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.
ETJ EXTENDS FOR TWO MILES OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS WHEN ANY DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, AS DEFINED BY OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, WHEN PRIOR TO ANY DEVELOPMENT, ANY CONSTRUCTION, A PLOT IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED.
IN THE CITY, YOU'LL OFTEN SEE RESIDENTIAL PLATS THAT WILL PROPOSE NEW STREETS AND LOTS OFF OF THOSE STREETS THAT MEET A GIVEN ZONING CODE, OR IN THE CASE OF TONIGHT, WE SAW A LOT OF COMMERCIAL PLATS ALONG EXISTING ROADS.
THE PLATS ARE FOR THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
THEY PROVIDE A MEANS TO LEGALLY CREATE PROPERTY, SUBDIVIDE IT, AND THEN CONSEQUENTLY DEVELOP PROPERTY.
CERTAIN TYPES OF PLATS, MINOR PLATS ARE INTERESTING.
THOSE DO NOT REQUIRE CONSIDERATION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, BUT THEY'RE VERY MINOR IN NATURE.
AS MS. ELLISON POINTED OUT EARLIER, THEY CAN CONTAIN NO MORE THAN FOUR LOTS.
NO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE CAN BE PROPOSED WITH A MINOR PLAT.
I THINK ONE EXAMPLE THAT MIGHT BE EASY TO UNDERSTAND WOULD BE A LARGER LOT IN THE OLD PART OF PRINCETON.
FOR EXAMPLE, A LARGER LOT IS BUILT ON AN EXISTING STREET.
IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY, BUT IT'S LARGE, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO DIVIDE IT INTO TWO OR THREE PARCELS AND THEN SELL OFF THOSE PARCELS FOR HOMES TO BE BUILT.
NO NEW PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE REQUIRED.
THE STREETS ALREADY EXISTING, THE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER LINES EXIST, SO THEY COULD SUBMIT THAT MINOR PLAT.
IT WOULD COME TO CITY STAFF, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT AND THEN APPROVE IT
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ADMINISTRATIVELY AND THAT PROPERTY OWNER THEN BE ABLE TO SELL IF THOSE LOTS, NEW HOMES COULD BE BUILT.NOT A LOT OF MINOR PLATS HAPPEN IN THE CITY LIMITS.
MOST OF OUR DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES NEW PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
ANYTIME A NEW ROAD IS NEEDED OR ANY KIND OF PUBLIC UTILITY IS NEEDED OR PUBLIC EASEMENTS, YOU'LL SEE THOSE PLATS GO THROUGH PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THEN A FINAL PLAT.
SO PRELIMINARY PLAT, IT'S PRELIMINARY.
IT'S SHOWING A PROPOSAL, HOW A DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE TO SUBDIVIDE THEIR PROPERTY, HOW THEY PROPOSE TO MEET CITY ORDINANCE, WITH THE LOT LAYOUT, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN STREETS, AND IT'LL SHOW PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING PLANS ARE REQUIRED WITH THAT, SHOWING PROPOSED UTILITIES, SO WATER LINES, SEWER LINES, DRAINAGE PLANS.
THEY'RE ALL PRELIMINARY IN NATURE.
THEY DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS DETERMINED AT THAT POINT.
IT'S A VERY SMALL CHECKLIST FOR PRELIMINARY PLATS.
BUT THOSE DO REQUIRE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL BEFORE CONSTRUCTION PERMITS CAN BE GRANTED.
THEN IN THE CITY OF PRINCETON, A FINAL PLAQUE COMES AT THE BACK END OF THE DEVELOPMENT AFTER CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETE, ALL OF THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN INSPECTED AND HAS PASSED SAID INSPECTION, AND THE CITY IS READY TO ACCEPT IT.
THAT GOES THROUGH A FAIRLY RIGOROUS PROCESS.
MS. TODD GOT TO SEE THAT TODAY.
A PORTION OF THAT, SHE ACCOMPANIED US ON AN INSPECTION OF A NEW PHASE OF EASTRIDGE.
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE AND MEET CODE BEFORE FINAL PLATE CAN BE CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
THE FINAL PLAT DOES GET RECORDED WHEN ALL THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS DONE, YOU'VE ALL RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.
COUNCIL'S GIVEN THEIR APPROVAL.
THAT PLAT HAS BEEN FILED WITH COLLIN COUNTY LAND RECORDS, AND WE'LL BECOME A PERMANENT DOCUMENT WITH THE COUNTY.
ANY QUESTIONS TO THIS POINT? I'D BE HAPPY TO GO BACK OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> I ASSUME WE WEREN'T INVITED TO THIS MEETING THAT COUNCILWOMAN TODD GOT TO ATTEND JUST BECAUSE WE'D BE A QUORUM.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU COULD HAVE INVITED US SEPARATELY ONE AT A TIME OR SOMETHING.
I'M A LITTLE UPSET ABOUT THIS.
>> IT WAS SO COOL. I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU. IT WAS AWESOME.
>> YEAH, WE CAN ARRANGE SUCH FIELD TRIPS FOR EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
WE WOULD HAVE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO MEET AS A QUORUM.
WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE YOU ON, GET YOU A HEART HAT AND A SAFETY VEST.
THERE YOU GO. PLEASE, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT, MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO YOU IF YOU WISH.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. PLATTING POLICIES AND PURPOSES.
THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF OUR ORDINANCE.
I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL 10 OF THESE BULLET POINTS, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE PLATTING PROCESS IS TO ENSURE AND PROTECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY AND WELFARE OF OUR CITY.
IT'S TO ENSURE THAT THERE AREN'T ANY ILLEGAL SUBDIVISIONS, THAT DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T OCCUR TO WILLY NILLY AT AT THE WHIM OF THE DEVELOPER.
THE PURPOSE OF OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND PLATTING PROCESS IS TO ENSURE PROPER GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE STREETS, TO HANDLE THE PROPOSED TRAFFIC, THERE'S ADEQUATE UTILITIES, WATER, SEWER, STORMWATER, ETC ARE ALL PROPOSED.
THAT'S A PURPOSE IN A NUTSHELL OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IS TO ENSURE ORDERLY GROWTH.
AGAIN, ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE JUST STOP ME.
>> I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I REFERENCED EARLIER, AND WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD PLAT NEED TO COME BACK THROUGH TO BE VOTED ON AGAIN? AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ANY CHANGES IN DRAINAGE, ANY MAJOR CHANGES IN GENERAL, BUT FOR INSTANCE, CHANGES IN DRAINAGE ARE GENERALLY CONSIDERED CONSIDERED MAJOR CHANGES TO THE PLAT AND THEREFORE NEED TO CIRCLE BACK THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING AND CITY COUNCIL.
>> YEAH. I THINK THERE'S SOME ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION IN THE ORDINANCE OF WHAT IS A MAJOR VERSUS MINOR CHANGES.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DISCUSS FURTHER.
I THINK THAT A MAJOR CHANGE WOULD BE, I'M NO LONGER GOING TO BUILD A SHOPPING CENTER.
I'M NOW GOING TO BUILD HOUSES INSTEAD.
THAT'S A MAJOR AND SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE, AND YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
GENERALLY, IF THE PLANS ARE GOING TO BE OF SIMILAR NATURE, IT'S BEEN THE CITY'S PRACTICE TO ALLOW A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL TO STAND AND CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS TO BE REVIEWED, PERMITS TO BE ISSUED AND CONSTRUCTION TO COMMENCE.
BUT YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AT A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
>> WELL, I GUESS THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS, WHO MAKES THAT DECISION? FOR INSTANCE, YOU GUYS,
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WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEER IN HOUSE THAT'S GOING TO LOOK, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT IS ABLE TO DECIDE WHETHER WE MEET, YOU KNOW, FLOODPLAIN STANDARDS.I THINK WE HAVE, I FORGET WHAT THE MIND IS BLANKING ON WHAT THE POSITION IS CALLED.
I'VE GOT THE ORDINANCE HERE SOMEWHERE IN A SLIDE FROM KIMLEY-HORN ORIGINALLY THAT NOTES THE POSITION, BUT WE HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL SOMETHING OR OTHER.
SOMEBODY WHO DECIDES WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE MEETING THE STANDARDS FOR DRAINAGE INTO FLOODPLAIN.
FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT, SOMETHING, A COORDINATOR.
>> THE CITY HAS FLOODPLAIN MANAGER.
HE'S A FULL TIME CITY EMPLOYEE.
>> I GUESS, IS HE PART OF THE DECISION? HOW DO YOU GUYS DECIDE IF IT'S A MINOR THING IF LIKE SOME DRAINAGE IS CHANGED? FOR INSTANCE, TAKING OUT AN ENTIRE DETENTION POND.
HOW'S THAT MINOR VERSUS NOT? SAY IT'S OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.
IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THERE'D BE SOME DISTINCT LINE THAT NEEDS TO BE CROSSED AND I NOT ONLY MENTIONED THIS IS, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN REITERATED TO ME, HOW IMPORTANT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT BEING PRINCETON TOWN CENTER IS TO THE CITY, AND I AGREE WITH THAT.
PART OF THE WHY I KEEP RESPONDING IS SO STRANGE SO THEY CAN BOTH BE IMPORTANT, SO THAT NOBODY LOSES TRACK OF THAT IDEA THAT BOTH ARE IMPORTANT, BOTH THE DRAINAGE AND THE DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT IT BRINGS TO THE CITY, HAVING SOME FOR SOMETHING THAT CAN HAVE SUCH A GREAT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND IT CAN, AS THE HYDROLOGIST MENTIONED, THAT COMMENTED AT PUBLIC COMMENTING.
IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF SPECIFIC LINE THAT, SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE LESS OPEN TO INTERPRETATION SO THAT, EYES ON TAX DOLLARS FROM A DEVELOPMENT OR EYES ON PARTICULAR STORE THAT WE ALL WANT OR WHATEVER DOES NOT CLOUD OUR JUDGMENT AS FAR AS WHAT MIGHT CAUSE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
I THINK YOU HAVE VALID CONCERNS.
I'M NOT GOING TO APPROVE PLANS AND ISSUE PERMITS FOR DEVELOPMENT.
THAT DOESN'T CONFORM TO OUR DRAINAGE CRITERIA TO THE CITY'S REGULATIONS.
I HAVE BEEN A CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER IN THE PAST.
I HAVEN'T NEEDED THOSE SKILLS, SO I'VE LET THAT ACCREDITATION SLIDE, BUT I SHARE IN YOUR PASSION.
I DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANY NEW ISSUES OR BIGGER ISSUES FOR FOLKS DOWNSTREAM FROM A PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS PRINCETON TOWN CENTER.
I WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR ENGINEERS.
I WILL MAKE SURE THAT WHAT IS BEING DESIGNED WILL NOT ALLOW FOR THE OUTFLOW OF WATER TO EXCEED THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT CONDITION TODAY.
AND I THINK I'M REMEMBERING SOME CONCEPT PLANS, PERHAPS FOR PRINCETON TOWN CENTER THAT SHOWED EVEN RETENTION PONDS, A POND THAT WILL ALWAYS HOLD WATER.
AND AT ONE POINT THAT WAS DISCUSSED TO HAVE AN AMENITY ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITH SOME TRAILS GOING AROUND IT.
THEY'RE STILL GOING AND IT WASN'T EVER NEEDED.
IT WAS JUST STRICTLY TO BE AN AMENITY.
THEY WERE GOING TO CREATE A RETENTION POND WITH WATER.
THAT IDEA IS NO LONGER ON THE TABLE.
IT WASN'T NEVER NEEDED TO BEGIN WITH.
IT WAS STRICTLY JUST A BONUS THAT WAS PROPOSED. GO AHEAD.
>> THE LAST MEETING THAT ENGINEER MENTIONED THAT THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT WAS GOING TO THAT WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM WORSE.
THE UTILIZING I FORGET WHETHER HE SAID RETENTION OR DETENTION POM.
>> RETENTION HOLDS WATER ALL THE TIME.
>> I KNOW THIS DIFFERENCE. HE SPECIFICALLY NOTED AND SAID, WE DECIDED THAT WAS GOING TO MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE.
SO JUST TO SAY IT WAS AN EXTRA TO ME MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO ACCEPT THAT IT HAS AN EFFECT, IF THE ENGINEER IS TELLING US THAT THEY DECIDED THE PROBLEM WAS GOING TO BE MADE WORSE BY IT AT THE POINT IT'S NOT JUST A BONUS, IT HAS AN EFFECT ON THE DRAINAGE.
IN ANY CASE, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO APPROVE OR PASS ANY DEVELOPMENTS THAT CAUSE ANY OF THAT TYPE OF DAMAGE, AND THAT'S NOT MY CONCERN.
I GUESS IT'S MORE SO JUST SO THAT WE, AS A COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC, COMPREHENDS EXACTLY AND DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO COME HERE COMPREHEND WHAT IT IS, WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME TO COUNCIL AND TO THE COMMISSION HERE COMPLAINING ABOUT ISSUES WHEN IT COMES TO FLOODING AND DRAINAGE.
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OBVIOUSLY IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER.FOR ME, IT'S MORE ABOUT CLARITY, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN FEEL CONFIDENT THAT NOBODY AT ANY POINT, THEIR JUDGMENTS CLOUDED EVEN LONG AFTER YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER JOB THAN YOU DO NOW AND MOVE ON TO BE A MUCH BIGGER CITY OR WHAT.
MAYBE YOU'LL BE HERE FOREVER, BUT I GUESS THAT'S NOT THE POINT.
THE POINT IS AFTER SOMEBODY LIKE YOU THAT CARES SO MUCH IS GONE, IS THERE STILL A DEFINED LINE THAT STANDS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND SAY, DEFINITELY, THIS MEETS THE STANDARD, THIS DOESN'T?
>> SURE. BUT, MS. TODD AND I DISCUSSED EARLIER TODAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A THOROUGH REVIEW OF OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND ALL OF OUR CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE UNDERGOING THAT.
I THINK THERE'S ROOM FOR CLEANUP AND ROOM TO CLARIFY THINGS.
I THINK YOUR COMMENTS ARE WELL RECEIVED.
THAT'S GOING TO BE, A THE RELATIVELY SOON THAT PROCESS WILL BE UNDERTAKEN.
A LOT OF THE ORDINANCES ARE COPY AND PASTED FROM OTHER CITIES BEFORE I GOT HERE.
THERE'S SOME ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT, SO WE'RE GOING TO DIVE DEEP INTO THOSE AND YOU'LL SEE SOME CHANGES.
>> I CAN TELL YOU IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH TOMMY, HE'S BEEN WANTING THAT STORMWATER STUDY, AND SO IN TALKING WITH THE MAYOR, I'M GOING TO BE BRINGING THAT UP AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING SO WE CAN GET THAT BALL ROLLING FOR HIM BECAUSE THE STORMWATER STUDY THAT HE WANTS IS THE SAME GO PLAYS INTO ALL OF THESE THINGS.
AND SO I THINK HAND IN HAND, AT LEAST FOR MYSELF, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF DOING THESE ORDINANCES AND CHECKING THEM AND GETTING THINGS CLEANED UP A BIT AND ALSO GETTING THAT STUDY GOING.
SO THAT AS WE'RE CLEANING THOSE UP, WE'RE SEEING THE NEW NUMBERS, SEEING THE IMPACT OF THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE HAD HAPPENING, SO THAT WHEN WE'RE MAKING OUR DECISIONS, WE ARE MAKING THEM WITH THE MOST UP TO DATE AND INFORMED LIKE FORESIGHT AND DATA AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
>> I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THEM FINALLY DOING THAT.
I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY SIX YEARS TOO LATE, BUT I'M GLAD THEY'RE DOING THAT.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE RESULTS OF THE NEW WHATEVER IT'S CALLED FLOOD STUDY.
>> THE LAST ONE WAS IMPROVED IN 2018, SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING TO BE REDONE.
THAT MASTER DRAINAGE STUDY THE CITY HAS GROWN IMMENSELY IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.
>> RIGHT. THE RESULTS OF THAT ARE GOING TO DICTATE THE [OVERLAPPING]
>> IN MY PERFECT WORLD, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED AS SOON AS WE CAN.
>> I'M ONE VOTE OUT OF EVERYONE ELSE'S, BUT I WILL BE PUSHING ON THAT BECAUSE I REALLY WANT THE ORDINANCES TAKEN CARE OF.
BUT I WANT IT BEING DONE AT THE SAME TIME SO THAT AS WE'RE DOING THIS, WE HAVE THAT HAPPENING BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE TIME TO DO THAT TYPE OF STUDY.
I THINK RAIN SEASONS AROUND THE CORNER, THIS MIGHT BE THE MOST IDEAL TIME TO BE GETTING SOME OF THIS INFORMATION.
I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF BOTH, AND I WANT BOTH TO BE HAPPENING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
>> I FEEL IMMEDIATELY WOULD BE A TIME FOR THAT EXACT REASON.
I KNOW WE CAN'T JUST DO IT BECAUSE IT'S A STATE WATERWAY TO GET STREAM GAUGES PUT OUT.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE, THE RAINY SEASON IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER YEAR FROM NOW WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO MEASURE THE HIGHEST VOLUMETRIC FLOW THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THOSE STREAMS. THAT'S WHAT MAYBE I SHOULD SPEAK TO COUNCIL.
>> WE HAVE A RETREAT COMING UP, AND THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME.
THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF PUBLIC WORKS, AND OUR DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT SHOW THEIR SUPPORT OF THE NEEDS THAT ARE THERE AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO BUILD THEM UP WITH STAFFING, WITH STUDIES, WITH DOING THE ORDINANCES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
>> THAT'S ON SATURDAY, THE 29TH?
>> CORRECT. HERE AT THE MUNICIPAL CENTER.
YES, AM. IT STARTS IN THE MORNING.
PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO ATTEND ANY PORTION OF THAT.
YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED AN INVITE FROM MR. DAVENPORT.
>> 7:30 IN THE MORNING. YOU'RE PROVIDING COFFEE?
>> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. NO, GO AHEAD.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT REQUIRES NECESSARILY ANYONE TO
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COME BACK TO FINAL UNLESS THERE'S A MATERIAL CHANGE.DO I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY, OR WILL A PRELIMINARY COME BACK AS A FINAL THROUGH P&Z INTO COUNCIL?
>> GENERALLY, IF A DEVELOPMENT WERE TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND ACTUALLY GET CONSTRUCTED, THERE WILL ALWAYS THEN BE A FINAL PLAT AT THE TAIL END OF DEVELOPMENT.
THAT FINAL PLAT IS ACCEPTING THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED, AND IT'S MEMORIALIZING THAT DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S BUILT, IT MEETS OUR STANDARDS, AND THAT GO FILE WITH THE COUNTY AFTER IT'S APPROVED.
BUT THERE COULD BE INSTANCES WHERE PRELIMINARY PLAT COMES BEFORE THIS BODY.
YOU ALL APPROVE THAT, AND THEN MARKETS CHANGE, THE FINANCING DOESN'T GO THROUGH AND A DEVELOPMENT NEVER GETS BUILT, AND THOSE PRELIMINARY PLATS COULD THEN EXPIRE AND YOU MIGHT NOT NEVER SEE THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPEN OR THEN A FINAL PLAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN, BUT WITH A PRELIMINARY PLAT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A FINISHED OPEN STORE OR OPEN SUBDIVISION UNTIL THERE'S A FINAL PLAT THAT'S ALSO ACCOMPANIED IT.
>> SURE. THIS SLIDE TALKS ABOUT PLATTING AUTHORITY FROM THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, CHAPTER 212, THIS GIVES THE AUTHORITY FROM THE STATE TO THE CITY TO ADOPT SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS.
WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ENACT THESE ORDINANCES AND ENFORCE THESE LAWS.
BRIEF PROCESS HERE, OVERVIEW OF WHAT HAPPENS.
AS IT'S BEEN NOTED, WE REQUIRE A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING BEFORE ANY APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED.
I LOVE THEM. IT'S REALLY HELPFUL.
WE DON'T CATCH EVERYTHING IN THAT PRE-APPLICATION MEETING, BUT WE'LL SIT DOWN WITH THE DEVELOPER, WE'LL DISCUSS THEIR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
WE REQUIRE A CONCEPT PLAN TO EVEN HAVE THAT MEETING, SO WE CAN HAVE A GENERAL IDEA OF WHERE THEY WANT TO DEVELOP AND HOW THEY WANT TO DEVELOP.
IN THAT PRE-APP MEETING, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
LET'S TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COULD ARISE THAT CAN HELP THEM AS THEY GET INTO THEIR DESIGN.
AFTER THEY'VE HAD A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING, THEY CAN THEN SUBMIT.
GENERALLY, FOR A PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ZONED THAT HAS THAT ENTITLEMENT IN PLACE, THEN THE FIRST OFFICIALS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY WILL BE A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT THAT TO CITY STAFF.
WE WILL TAKE IT, WE'LL REVIEW IT OURSELVES.
WE SEND IT OFF TO OUR THIRD PARTY ENGINEER FOR THEIR REVIEW.
WE'LL GO TO THE FIRE MARSHAL FOR THEIR REVIEW.
WE HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT DOES A HEALTH REVIEW FOR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS, AND STUFF.
THERE'S A HEALTH INSPECTION OR HEALTH REVIEW OF THOSE PLANS.
THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE REVIEW THE PRELIMINARY PLAT BEFORE ALL OF OUR COMMENTS HAVE THEN BEEN ADDRESSED, AND THEN WE BRING IT FORWARD TO YOU TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
YOU ALL ARE A RECOMMENDING BODY SO YOU ADVISE CITY COUNCIL ON PLATTING MATTERS.
YOU'LL BE PRESENTED WITH A PRELIMINARY PLAT LIKE YOU'VE DONE TONIGHT.
THEN YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER APPROVE OR TO DENY THOSE REQUESTS.
IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO DENY A PRELIMINARY PLAT, YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR REASONS FOR THAT DENIAL.
IT CAN'T JUST BE BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE A NAIL SALON OR YOU DON'T LIKE A PARTICULAR RESTAURANT.
YOU THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH OF SAID RESTAURANT.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN THAT FRAME THAT IT IS A RESTAURANT.
THE DEVELOPERS CHOOSING TO INVEST MONEY AND BUILD SAID RESTAURANT.
IT'S NOT FOR US TO REALLY DECIDE AT THAT POINT, ZONING IS ALREADY IN PLACE BEFORE YOU SEE A PLAT COME THROUGH.
ZONING HAS TO DO WITH THE LAND USE AND I HAVE A SEPARATE TRAINING ON ZONING MATTERS.
WE WILL DIVE DEEPER INTO THAT.
BUT THE PLAT IS, DOES IT CONFORM TO OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE? I THINK DEVELOPING THESE CHECKLISTS AND THESE TOOLS FOR YOU WILL BE HELPFUL SO YOU CAN SEE MORE CLEARLY IF SOMETHING CONFORMS TO OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, YOU ALL THEN CAN ELECT TO APPROVE OR DENY THAT REQUEST.
IF YOU APPROVE IT, IT GOES ON TO CITY COUNCIL, AND COUNCIL WILL THEN ACT ON IT IN THEIR MEETING.
THEY'LL TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION INTO CONSIDERATION.
IF YOU DO RECOMMEND DENIAL, THE PLAT STILL MOVES ON TO CITY COUNCIL.
YOUR REASONS WILL BE SHARED WITH CITY COUNCIL AND THE SUPERMAJORITY VOTE IS REQUIRED BY COUNCIL TO THEN APPROVE THAT PLAT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
>> SORRY. TONIGHT, ON THE TWO PRELIMINARY PLATS THAT WE DISCUSSED.
LIKE ONE HAD 57 OUTSTANDING COMMENTS, ONE HAS 38.
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IS THAT INFORMATION THAT CAN BE PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION SO THAT IT CAN HELP US UNDERSTAND DELAYS IN THAT? THANK YOU.>> I THINK MR. DAVENPORT MENTIONED THAT TO PROVIDE SOME REASSURANCE THAT THERE'S STILL DETAILED REVIEW GOING ON.
THE ITEMS MET ALL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REQUIREMENTS.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT FORWARD FOR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
WE'RE NOT EVER GOING TO BRING YOU A PLAT THAT WE DON'T FEEL CONFORMS WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REQUIREMENTS.
HE SHARED THAT WITH YOU SO YOU COULD GAIN AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PROCESS IS STILL ONGOING.
THEY STILL HAVE THINGS TO ADDRESS.
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF DETAILS THAT HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT.
BUT THOSE COMMENTS ARE FOR THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS, THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, NOT FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.
WE WOULDN'T BRING A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT HAD 57 OUTSTANDING COMMENTS.
WE'LL CONTINUE OUR REVIEW AND MAKE SURE WE GET IT TO A POINT THAT WE ARE COMFORTABLE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
>> THE MOST I'VE SEEN THE COMMENTS ON THERE IS USUALLY VERY FEW ONE OR MAYBE TWO.
I THINK YOU JUST MADE CLEAR THAT YOU INTEND TO GET IT DOWN TO ZERO.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE STANDARD GOING FORWARD? WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY LINE ITEMS ON THERE THAT STILL NEED TO BE DONE BY THE DEVELOPER.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS JUST INEVITABLE FROM TIME TO TIME?
>> THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REQUIREMENTS? THESE COMMENTS ARE FOR THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS.
MAYBE THAT IS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING, BUT THAT'S FOR THE NEXT STEP.
THE CURRENT STEP, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THEY MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REQUIREMENTS.
HE'S REFERRING TO WHEN WE DO LIKE CONDITIONAL APPROVALS, PENDING WILL SERVE LETTERS OR PENDING A TIA WHEN COMMENT ARE LEFT.
>> A SINGLE ITEM ON THAT THAT SAYS THAT THIS ITEM STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SOME OF THEM OR SAY IT'S WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WITHOUT QUOTING THE EXACT WORDS TO THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS AND THIS PART NEEDS TO BE DONE BY THE TIME THIS FINAL PLAT IS SUBMITTED.
THAT I UNDERSTAND, IF THEY'VE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES THAT THEY CAN OR NEED TO AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
BUT I KNOW WITHOUT REMEMBERING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AN EXACT LINE ITEM, BUT I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN SITUATIONS WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN LINE ITEMS ON THERE WHERE IT'S LIKE, HEY, THIS STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE.
>> SURE. WE'LL TRY NOT TO DO THAT.
I THINK THE INSTANCES WHERE IT HAS HAPPENED.
THERE ARE, LIKE YOU SAID, MAYBE ONE OR TWO COMMENTS.
WITH ONLY HAVING P&Z ONCE A MONTH, IT'S DIFFICULT TO HAVE A DEVELOPER STICK TO THAT SCHEDULE.
ALL COMMENTS ADDRESSED BEFORE IT COMES TO YOU.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE JUST A WEEK AWAY FROM SATISFYING EVERY REQUIREMENT, AND SO TO NOT DELAY THEM FOUR EXTRA WEEKS, WE'LL GET IT ONTO AN AGENDA WITH THAT ONE CONDITION, BUT GENERALLY THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE MY PRACTICE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL COMMENTS ARE ADDRESSED BEFORE YOU SEE A PLAT.
>> I THINK I DON'T MEAN TO KEEP INTERRUPTING YOU HERE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT I THINK ONE OR TWO MORE SLIDES TO GO THROUGH.
I DO THINK THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE MIGHT NEED TO DISCUSS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD DO IT AS A PART OF A MEETING OR OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE TO DISCUSS IT WITHOUT ENTERING A QUORUM, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN THAT WE'RE HAVING ITEMS COME BEFORE US THAT LIKE, OH, MAYBE FIVE OR SIX DAYS LEFT, AND WE HAVE NO OPTION LEFT OR EVEN A WEEK.
THERE'S NO OPTION LEFT AT THAT POINT TO TABLE IF THERE'S A QUESTION, AND WE JUST HAVE TO PUSH IT.
>> THAT SHOT CLOCK MAKES THINGS DIFFICULT, TIMES FOR SURE.
>> IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT AS A COMMISSION AND SAY, HEY, WE SHOULD DO TWO MEETINGS A MONTH TO TRY TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
I KNOW WE DO ALREADY HAVE ADMITTEDLY AN ATTENDANCE ISSUE.
WE HAVE FOUR OUT OF SEVEN HERE TONIGHT.
ANYWAY, IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A SUGGESTION BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT AS I WAS GOING THROUGH ALL THIS AND LOOKING AT THESE DATES.
WE HAVE A 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK AND IT'S SEND IT ON DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S AUTOMATICALLY APPROVED 30 DAYS AFTER WHATEVER DATE.
>> MY EXPERIENCE IN MOST CITIES I'VE DEALT WITH HAVE TWO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS A MONTH TO HELP WITH THAT, SO THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN EXPLORE AS A COMMISSION.
NEED TO BE DECIDED. IDEALLY, MORE OF US ARE HERE, BUT YOU HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE NEED TO PUT IT ON AN AGENDA TO DISCUSS IT,
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BUT WE COULD LOOK AT THAT.>> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE OPEN TO, OR YOU THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS AT A FUTURE MEETING?
>> WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT WITHOUT IT BEING ON THE AGENDA, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.
ANYBODY CAN REQUEST THOSE IF YOU WANT TO REQUEST IT.
IT DOESN'T HURT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
>> I WILL REQUEST PUT IT ON THE FUTURE AGENDA.
>> WE GOT IT. WE'LL PUT IT ONTO THE NEXT AGENDA.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. PLATTING PROCEDURE, MORE PLAT SUBMISSION PROCESS.
I THINK I ALREADY WENT OVER A LOT OF THIS.
>> I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, CAN WE JUST DO A REALLY QUICK OVERVIEW AND THEN IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, WE CAN BRING THEM BACK FOR THE NEXT SESSION?
>> I'VE HIT ON MOST OF THESE OTHER SLIDES ANYWAY.
PLEASE SEND ME QUESTIONS AND I CAN PUT IT INTO THE NEXT STEP OF TRAINING.
NEXT MONTH, WE'LL HAVE AARON MOODY, THE CITY'S MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR.
SHE'S SCHEDULED TO COME AND DO SOME SOCIAL MEDIA TRAINING.
THEN INTO MAY, WE COULD CONTINUE THE PLATTING DISCUSSION IF NEEDED.
IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, BUT MY PLAN IS IN MAY WAS TO HAVE A ZONING DISCUSSION.
WITH THAT, I CAN WRAP UP UNLESS THERE'S PRESSING QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. THIS IS VERY HELPFUL.
>> THESE SLIDES ARE IN THE PACKET.
IF THE AGENDA THAT WAS EMAILED TO YOU, IT'S A LINK, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE.
>> MAYBE WE COULD PUT IT IN WORK SESSION. MAYBE [INAUDIBLE].
>> I THINK WE CAN WRAP THAT INTO THE OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMOUNT OF MEETINGS.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT MEETING TIME AND HAVING A PRE-MEETING BEFORE THE REGULAR MEETING.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. LET'S DISCUSS THAT NEXT TIME.
>> VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
I WAS READING IT ACTUALLY EARLIER, AND I'M LIKE, THIS IS GREAT.
IT ANSWERED PROBABLY 100 QUESTIONS THAT I ALREADY HAD, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
>> CAN I ENTERTAIN A MOTION IN TONIGHT'S MEETING?
>> THANK YOU. NEXT MEETING IS GOING TO BE MONDAY,
[G. INFORMATION]
APRIL 21ST, 2025.WITH THAT, CAN I GET A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT?
>> MAKE THE MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> WE'LL GO ON ROLL CALL, COMMISSIONER ELLIS?
>> COMMISSIONER HISS VOTES. YES. MOTION PASSES 4-0.
THANK YOU ALL FOR MAKING OUT TONIGHT.
THANK YOU, CRAIG AND NICOLE.
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