[00:00:01] APOLOGIES, EVERYONE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE NEW TECHNICAL STUFF THAT WE GOT, AND EVERYTHING'S GETTING FANCY HERE. [A. CALL TO ORDER] SO WELCOME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING OF APRIL 21ST, 2025. WE'LL BEGIN THE MEETING. CALL TO ORDER AT 6:32 P.M. PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE. SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO RESPOND TO OR DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS SECTION THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF A SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A SPEAKER'S INQUIRY, OR TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY. ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC APPEARANCE? OKAY. WE WILL [D. CONSENT AGENDA] MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS COMMISSIONERS. SO, REQUESTS IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED IN ITS NORMAL SEQUENCE ON THE AGENDA. THE MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA. OH, I WOULD ACTUALLY I WOULD LIKE TO I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FINAL PLAT FOR ITEM D.2. SO, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO REQUEST TO MOVE THAT TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. OTHERWISE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH MOVING ITEM D TWO TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. CAN I GET A SECOND? I SECOND. OKAY. CONSENT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. IS THIS GOING TO HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY? YOU JUST. YES. COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. HELLO? OKAY. THE ALL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA PASS 4 TO 0. WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BEGIN WITH THE ITEM THAT WAS MOVED. [D.2 FP20253063 Final Plat - Morning Ridge Phase 3 - Discussion and possible action regarding a request from Forestar Group, LLC for final plat approval for a property being a 15.004 acre tract of land situated in the Sarah D. Terry Survey, Abstract No. 890 , City of Princeton, Collin County, Texas.] ITEM D TWO. THAT WAS MOVED. REQUESTED TO BE MOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. COLE. YEAH. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER. COLE DAVENPORT, PLANNER. THIS REQUEST IS FOR FINAL PLAT APPROVAL OF A 15 ACRE TRACT CONTRACT ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF COUNTY ROAD 447 AND ACROSS FROM HARPER ELEMENTARY. THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY. IT'S ZONED SINGLE FAMILY ONE AS WELL AS SINGLE FAMILY TWO. THE PLOT CONSISTS OF 75 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND ONE OPEN SPACE LOT. THE CITY HAS BEEN ON SITE AND IS READY TO ACCEPT THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AS IS. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PLAT AS SUBMITTED AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE. THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS REGARDING THE HOA. AS WAS BROUGHT UP, I DON'T KNOW, A MONTH OR TWO, HOWEVER LONG AGO, THE CITY COUNCIL IS SUPPOSED TO APPROVE THESE HOAS PRIOR TO OUR VOTE. THAT'S CORRECT. THESE WERE APPROVED SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO. THE HOA DOCUMENTS THE HOA FOR THIS ONE. CORRECT. ON THE NOTE FROM KIMLEY-HORN IT SAYS NO PINS WERE PUT IN THE FLOODPLAIN. [00:05:03] IS THAT FOR PHASE TWO? BECAUSE IT LOOKED. WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT, I SAW THAT THERE WAS FLOODPLAIN, THE FLOODPLAIN, AS FAR AS I COULD TELL. JUXTAPOSES THE EASTERN SIDE OF, OF PHASE TWO, WHEREAS THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON HERE. IS THAT JUST SOMETHING KIND OF PRELIMINARY THAT THIS PLOT IS ONLY FOR PHASE THREE, AND THEY'RE LETTER ONLY PERTAINS TO PHASE THREE. DID I MISS SOMETHING? IS THERE FLOODPLAIN THAT THAT GOES ALONG THE BOUNDARY OF PHASE THREE? NO, THERE'S NOT AND THERE ARE NOT ANY RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED IN THE FLOODPLAIN EITHER. THEY'RE JUST MAKING THAT NOTE FOR MY BENEFIT, ESSENTIALLY. I APPRECIATE THAT. THE LOAN FOR THE FLOODPLAIN IS NOTED THAT IT WAS THAT IT WAS SUBMITTED. I GUESS IT WAS 2023. I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE ACTUAL LOAN. I JUST SAW THE NOTE ON THE ON THE MAP THAT SHOW ON THE PLAT THAT SHOWED THAT THAT IT WAS NOT ACTUALLY ON THE USGS MAP YET. THE FLOODPLAIN MAP AND OR THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN MAP. AND SO I GUESS THIS THIS KIND OF BROUGHT ME TO IT'S REALLY A GENERAL QUESTION. SO THESE THE FLOODPLAINS. AS THEY ARE SHOWN ON THE MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY JUST BARELY HUG THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WOULD BE WHAT'S GOING TO BE PHASE TWO. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE ASSUMING THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY FLOODPLAIN ROSE BETWEEN THE LAST TIME IT WAS DONE, MAYBE 2009, WHATEVER. THE LAST TIME FEMA LOOKED AT IT WAS AND NOW IT'S, IF IT IS TO RISE AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE IN PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES NOW, RIGHT? LIKE IF IT GOES UP BECAUSE THE FLOODPLAIN IS RIGHT ALONG THE BOUNDARY OF IT. AND I GUESS IT'S JUST A GENERAL QUESTION WHEN IT COMES TO PLANNING THESE DEVELOPMENTS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THAT IS THE CITY THE CITY IS GOING TO LOOK AT OR ARE WE JUST ASSUMING THAT AS LONG AS THERE IS, AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT ACTUAL PROPERTIES IN WHAT'S DESIGNATED AS THE FLOODPLAIN THEN EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE OKAY. ARE WE JUST? YEAH, I MEAN, THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER OF 2023. THAT'S WHEN IT STARTED CONSTRUCTION. SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT WAS SAID FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, BUT FOR SIMILAR PROJECTS, WE DO DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS AS WELL AS DRAINAGE STUDIES FOR SUBDIVISIONS OF THIS SIZE. THIS IS CRAIG FISHER DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. I WOULD ADD THAT WE REQUIRE EACH DEVELOPER TO LOOK AT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS UPSTREAM, EXCUSE ME, AND DOWNSTREAM OF THEIR PROPERTY. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO STUDY THAT. IT GOES BEFORE OUR ENGINEERING TEAM. THEY LOOK AT THE FLOODPLAIN. THEY ENSURE THAT THESE LOTS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN WITH THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE, AS WE'VE NOTED IN OTHER MEETINGS WITH YOU. YOU KNOW, WE ARE KICKING OFF A STUDY SOON TO REEVALUATE OUR DRAINAGE MANUAL. BUT EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES BEFORE YOU HAS BEEN FULLY VETTED BY OUR ENGINEERING TEAM TO ENSURE THAT PROPERTIES, INDIVIDUAL LOTS WILL BE OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN AND SAFE FROM SURFACE FLOOD WATER. THANK YOU, MR. FISHER, I APPRECIATE THAT. I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT THEY HAVE MET THE REQUIREMENTS SET IN FRONT OF THEM. I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS MORE JUST GENERAL REGARDING CITY PLANNING. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING? IF THERE'S FLOODPLAIN, THE LOWER THAT JUST IN 2023 SHOWS NOW THAT THE FLOODPLAIN IS ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE HAPPENING. AND I GUESS IT'S REALLY JUST MORE OF A GENERAL NOTE BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS SOMETHING THAT THAT WE'RE GOING TO IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. IT'S JUST HOW THE FLOODPLAINS WORK. THEY DON'T STOP GROWING. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTION, AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN BEING UPDATED. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT FOR THE PLATS THAT WE'VE PASSED NOW AND ARE PROBABLY GOING TO PASS OVER THE NEXT UNTIL IT'S COMPLETED. [00:10:13] OKAY. NOTED. YEAH. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED REGARDING THE HOA DOCUMENTS THAT THEY WERE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS. WERE THEY ACTUALLY APPROVED AT THE COUNCIL MEETING? I BELIEVE SO. THEY WERE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF I WON'T DO THIS. I CAN SAY YES FOR MORNING RIDGE. WE DID APPROVE THE HOA DOCUMENTS. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO TURN THIS OFF. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? I WILL JUST MAKE ONE MORE NOTE AND I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. IT'S JUST A NOTE THAT THAT THE LOOKS LIKE THE PERMIT WAS SUBMITTED ON LOOKS LIKE MARCH 27TH, SO IF FOR ANY. BASICALLY, THAT LEAVES US WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE YES ON THAT, OR WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THIS PLAT. WE CAN'T TABLE IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO A LATER DATE, BECAUSE THAT DOES NOT LEAVE US TIME TO ACTUALLY COME BACK AND VOTE ON THIS BEFORE THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK IS UP. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT WAS INSPECTED BY CITY STAFF AND THE ENGINEERING LETTERS DATED FROM MARCH 27TH. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPLICATION, THE DATE IT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY, IT DOES FALL WITHIN 30 DAYS. RIGHT. IT FALLS WITHIN THE 30 DAYS. I'M, THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS BECAUSE THERE'S AN ITEM LATE. THE LAST ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS BECAUSE I BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO MEET MORE THAN ONCE PER MONTH. AND IT'S EXACTLY BECAUSE OF THIS ISSUE. I'M JUST MAKING A NOTE. WE WILL COME BACK AROUND TO IT, BUT I'M MAKING A NOTE HERE THAT THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK ENDS NEXT ON SUNDAY, I BELIEVE. SO WE WOULD HAVE, CONSIDERING WE HAVE TO HAVE 72 HOURS NOTICE BEFORE ANY MEETINGS TO OCCUR. THAT BASICALLY LEAVES US NO TIME TO ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. A SPECIAL MEETING TO ADDRESS THIS, WHICH IS JUST A NOTE I WANTED TO MAKE WHILE WE'RE VISITING THIS ITEM, BECAUSE IT'S RELEVANT TO THAT LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. NOTED. THANK YOU. A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT. ITEM D.2 FP 2025-3063. FINAL PLAT FOR MORNING. SORRY, MORNING RIDGE PHASE THREE. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. AND A SECOND. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS. I'M SHOWN TWO HAVE VOTED. SORRY, GUYS, WE'RE GETTING USED TO THIS TECHNOLOGY STILL. OKAY, MINE JUST UPDATED TO THREE. WE'RE WAITING FOR ONE MORE. HERE WE GO. MOTION PASSES 4 TO 0 FOR ITEM NUMBER 2025-3063. ITEM F ONE THE SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENTATION. I'M GOING TO BUMP THAT TO THE END OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA AND GET THE PLATS OUT OF THE WAY. [F. REGULAR AGENDA] SO NEXT WILL BE ITEM F TWO FINAL PLAT FOR EAST RIDGE PHASE FOUR. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE REQUEST FROM GRBK EDGE 1, LLC FOR THE FINAL PLAT. [00:15:01] APPROVAL FOR PROPERTY BEING 88.681 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN THE THOMAS A ROAD SURVEY. ABSTRACT NUMBER 741. CITY OF PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS. MY UNDERSTANDING THIS IS THE ONE THAT THAT YOU SAID Y'ALL WERE STILL WAITING FOR SOME DOCUMENTS FOR. DID YOU WERE THOSE SUBMITTED? I GUESS THE DOCUMENTS WERE, THEY WERE STILL DOING SOME SITE WORK, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THEY WERE STILL DOING SOME SITE WORK, AND THEY PROVIDED VERIFICATION THAT THE SITE WORK IS DONE. SO, WE'RE GOOD TO HEAR THIS REQUEST. IS THE DEVELOPER HERE? I'D LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. THE DEVELOPER IS HERE. BUT BEFORE THEY COME UP HERE, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS FOR FINAL PLAT APPROVAL OF AN 88 ACRE TRACT OFF OF FM 1827, IN YOTE TRAIL. THIS PROJECT WAS IN PROGRESS PRIOR TO THE RESIDENTIAL MORATORIUM. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED PD 23A AND THE USES FOR SINGLE FAMILY. THIS PHASE CONTAINS 379 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, 13 HOA LOTS, AND ONE LIFT STATION LOT. CITY STAFF HAS INSPECTED THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THIS PROJECT. BESIDES THE LIFT STATION. THE LIFT STATION IS SHOWN AS LOT 47 X ON THE FINAL PLAT. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DO NOT KNOW WHAT A LIFT STATION IS, IT'S ESSENTIALLY YOUR LOWEST POINT IN THE SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM, AND IT'S DESIGNED TO LIFT WASTEWATER TO A HIGHER ELEVATION TO WHERE IT CAN THEN FLOW BY GRAVITY OR BE PUMPED TO ANOTHER LIFT STATION OR A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. AT THIS TIME, ALL THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE BESIDES THE LIFT STATION IS COMPLETE AND READY TO BE ACCEPTED. THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT, WITH THE CONDITIONS BEING NO. CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY WILL BE ISSUED FOR ANY HOMES UNTIL THE LIFT STATION IS FULLY BUILT AND INSPECTED BY THE CITY WITHOUT CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY. NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THESE HOMES, SO THERE WON'T BE ANY FLOW GOING INTO THE LIFT STATION. OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM DOES NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS REQUEST, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY RECOMMENDS APPROVING THIS PLOT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ALL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING THE LIFT STATION CONTAINED IN SAID PLAT, BE CONSTRUCTED, INSPECTED, APPROVED, AND ACCEPTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EAST RIDGE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND THAT THE APPLICANT SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 35, ARTICLE NINE OF THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE HOA DOCUMENTS GOING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PLAT SHALL NOT BE RECORDED UNTIL THESE CONDITIONS ARE MET. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE DEVELOPER HAS REPRESENTATION HERE AS WELL. I HAVE A QUESTION ON STAFF REPORT FP 2020-0052 EAST RIDGE PHASE FOUR WITH EXHIBITS PDF PAGE NINE. IT SAYS IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT THERE PRELIMINARY. THIS DOCUMENT SHALL NOT BE RECORDED FOR ANY PURPOSE. BUT THEN OVER TO THE RIGHT SAYS FINAL AND ALL THE OTHER FINAL PLATS I'VE LOOKED AT TO COMPARE TO MAKE SURE I WAS ASKING THE CORRECT QUESTIONS IN WHERE IT SAYS PRELIMINARY ON THAT ONE. IT USUALLY HAS ON THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION, AND FOR THE MAYOR TO SIGN, AND FOR THE CHAIRMAN OF PLANNING AND ZONING TO SIGN. SO, MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS A PRELIMINARY OR IS THIS A FINAL? AND SHOULD WE BE ACCEPTING THIS WITHOUT THE PROPER DOCUMENTATION? MAKE NO MISTAKE, THIS IS A FINAL PLAT. THE REASON IT SAYS PRELIMINARY BECAUSE WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN ISN'T SIGNED BY ANYONE, THUS CANNOT BE FILED. THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL PLAT THAT WE HAVE HERE DOES NOT HAVE ANY MENTION OF THIS BEING PRELIMINARY. FOR REVIEW PURPOSES ONLY. OKAY. WELL, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE MORNING ONE MORNING, RIDGE ONE AND PRIOR ONES HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO US AND THEY'VE HAD THE PROPER STAMPS IN THERE. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. ALL THE PLOTS THAT YOU SEE IN THESE ATTACHMENTS AREN'T SIGNED. THE ONLY PLACE THAT GETS SIGNED ARE THE PHYSICAL HARD COPIES THAT THE DEVELOPER DROPS OFF. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S ANYWHERE IN OUR ORDINANCES THAT REQUIRES THEM TO PUT PRELIMINARY ON THE PLOTS. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE NOT SIGNED. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE PAPERWORK IS DIFFERENT ON THE DOCUMENTS WHEN THEY'RE SUBMITTED FOR THE FINAL VERSES. SO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CLEAN UP IN THE FUTURE AND REQUEST MORE UNIFORMITY. BUT AGAIN, THAT PRELIMINARY STAMP DOESN'T HAVE ANY BEARING ON THE FINAL PLAT. OKAY. BECAUSE THE SHEETS ARE JUST DIFFERENT, BUT OKAY. THANK YOU. [00:20:10] COUNCILWOMAN TODD, CAN YOU ANSWER AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE HOA HAS BEEN FOR THIS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. I CAN. I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. IT'LL BE ON THE APRIL 28TH AGENDA. THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS COMPLETED THE REVIEW OF THE HOA DOCUMENTS FOR EAST RIDGE, AND IT'S ON THE. IT'LL BE ON THE AGENDA ON MONDAY, BUT WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR APPROVAL. AND THIS FINAL PLAT WOULD THEN GO AFTERWARDS. SO. WHAT IF THE HOA DOCUMENTS, FOR WHATEVER REASON, AREN'T APPROVED? THAT'S WHY THAT IT'S A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL. SO, THIS PLAT CAN'T BE RECORDED UNTIL THE HOA DOCUMENTS ARE APPROVED. WELL, DOES THE SHOT CLOCK APPLY THEN? AS IN IF THE HOA IS NOT APPROVED WITHIN 30 DAYS. DOESN'T IT JUST GET AUTOMATICALLY PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL? IF WE HAVE, IF THERE'S A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, IF THERE'S A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL AND THE CONDITIONS AREN'T MET, THEN THE PLAT EXPIRES, AND IT CANNOT BE FILED. WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME ON THE LIFT STATIONS? THE DEVELOPER HAS STATED THAT THE LIFT STATION WILL BE COMPLETE AND FULLY OPERATIONAL BY MID-MAY. AND FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN ON SITE, THAT TIMELINE SEEMS REALISTIC. THANK YOU. ARE Y'ALL PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT? DID Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD? I DIDN'T. FOR PHIL, IF YOU'LL SPEAK INTO THE MIC, PLEASE. YOU MIGHT STATE YOUR NAME. IS. WITH GREEN BRICK. WE'VE GOT OUR KIMLEY-HORN TEAM HERE WITH US AS WELL, BUT WE ARE TARGETING MID-MAY FOR THE ACTUAL COMPLETION OF THE LIFT STATION WHERE IT'S UP OPERATIONAL, FULLY OPERATIONAL, AND DEEDED OVER TO THE CITY. SO, WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT IN THAT TIMELINE. I HAVE A QUESTION. WITH THE HOA DOCUMENT, THIS IS FOR CRAIG. WITH THE HOA DOCUMENTS BEING A REQUIRED ITEM GOING FORWARD, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET THOSE FROM ACROSS COUNCIL BEFORE THESE ARE COMING, BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING? BECAUSE IF WE DENY THE HOA DOCUMENTS, THEN THE PLAT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. SO, IF IT'S POSSIBLE IN THE FUTURE TO GET THAT ACROSS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DO THE HOA AND THE FINAL PLAT AT THE SAME TIME BEFORE COUNCIL WITH THE SHOT CLOCK AND EVERYTHING. IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE GRAY, AND I DON'T SEE HOW A PLAT IS MEETING CRITERIA TO BE LOOKED AT IF IT'S NOT HAVING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO IF IT'S JUST AT ALL POSSIBLE GOING FORWARD, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ONE BECAUSE LIKE I THIS IS ACTUALLY THE DEVELOPMENT. I GOT TO GO PERSONALLY SEEN EVERYTHING. SO I'M COMFORTABLE THERE. BUT GOING FORWARD WITH THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT, IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. SURE. YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT. AND AS YOU'RE ALSO AWARE, AS YOU'VE REQUESTED, WE'RE LOOKING TO AMEND THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE SO THAT HOA DOCUMENTS CAN BE APPROVED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY ONLY AND NOT GO TO CITY COUNCIL. BUT UNTIL THAT ORDINANCE HAS BEEN CHANGED, WE'LL WORK TO GET THEM TO COUNCIL BEFORE TAKING A FINAL PLAT TO P&Z. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. WOULD THAT OCCUR BEFORE THE PLAT PERMIT IS FILED FOR? SO, THERE'S NO SHOT CLOCK RUNNING DURING ALL THAT'S GOING ON. SO, THE SHOT CLOCK REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING MET BY YOU ALL ACTING ON THAT PLAT TONIGHT. AND THEN THERE'S A 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK FOR COUNCIL TO ACT ON IT. THEY'RE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED TO GO ON MONDAY THE 28TH, SO THEY'LL BE WELL WITHIN THE SHOT CLOCK ASSUMING IT'S ALL APPROVED MONDAY. WELL, I GUESS IT'S JUST A GENERAL QUESTION OF LIKE IF WE DO THIS IN THE PROPER ORDER, IS THE HOA APPROVED PRIOR TO THE IS THE HOA SUPPOSED TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE PERMITS BEING APPLIED FOR BY THE DEVELOPER? [00:25:11] THAT WAY THERE IS, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S JUST AN EXTRA STEP. THAT'S OCCURRING. WHILE DURING THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK IN MY QUESTION. MAKING SENSE. LIKE IF THIS IF THIS WERE TO OCCUR CORRECTLY WOULD THE HOA BE APPROVED PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY FILING FOR THE PERMIT? YES. THE HOA DOCUMENTS WILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL BEFORE THE FINAL PLAT IS APPROVED AND BEFORE THE FINAL PLAT GETS FILED. THE FINAL PLAT HAS TO BE FILED BEFORE ANY PERMITS FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMES WILL BE ISSUED. NO, I'M ASKING ABOUT THE PERMIT BEFORE THEY FILE FOR THE PERMIT. BECAUSE THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK FOR US TO VOTE ON IT STARTS ON THE DAY THAT THEY FILE FOR THE PERMIT. SO I'M SAYING DOES THE HOA. I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BACK END WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY APPROVED, WHEREAS I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT END WHEN THEY APPLY FOR THE PERMIT. THAT'S THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK STARTS. SO IDEALLY AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING COUNCILWOMAN TODD CAN ANSWER, BUT IS THE PROPER ORDER FOR THIS TO OCCUR? WOULD IT BE FOR THE HOA APPROVAL TO OCCUR PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION FOR THE FINAL PLAT? LOOKS LIKE IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE I THINK IT HAPPENED ON APRIL 14TH. SO. SORRY. SECTION 3544 FOR THE APPROVAL. DOES STATE THAT TECHNICALLY, YES. THE HOA DOCUMENTS NEED TO BE APPROVED PRIOR TO THE PLAT. SO YES, GOING FORWARD, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT COMES BEFORE COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN APPROVE IT AND GO THROUGH THE PROPER ORDER. YEAH. I'M STILL NOT SURE MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED, BUT I GUESS IT'S BEEN SAID. I FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD OCCUR TO WHERE THE IT'S DONE BEFORE. NOT ANY APPROVAL PROCESS, BUT THE BUT SUBMITTING THE PERMIT FOR IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT STARTS THE SHOT CLOCK. IN ANY CASE I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SO THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT BEING BUILT ON FLOODPLAIN, AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, UNLESS I'M INCORRECT. BUT THERE IS SOMETHING NOTED ON HERE THAT THERE IS A POST DEVELOPMENT FLOODPLAIN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT YOUR ENGINEERS ARE HERE. I ASSUME THAT'S WHY YOU BROUGHT. HI, MY NAME IS ALEXANDER DOLLARHIDE. I'M THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT HIRED BY THE CLIENT. AND YES, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FINAL PLAT, THERE IS A POST DEVELOPMENT FLOODPLAIN, A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN THAT WE DO MAP. THAT'S NOT A FEMA FLOODPLAIN. THERE'S NO FEMA FLOODPLAIN ON THIS SITE. SO THAT'S JUST AFTER THIS DEVELOPMENT TAKES PLACE WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT 100 YEAR LINE SITS. SO, IS THAT? THAT 100 YEAR LINE, I IMAGINE BECAUSE IT'S A I DON'T HAVE MY GIS MAP UP, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT A WAYS TO THE ACTUAL FLOODPLAIN TO I GUESS IT'S TURKEY CREEK TRIBUTE. WHATEVER THE TRIBUTARY IS THERE, I ASSUME IT'S SOME TRIBUTARY ARM OF TURKEY CREEK. THERE'S A BIT OF A DISTANCE THERE. SO IS EVERYTHING NOW BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE TURKEY CREEK TRIBUTARY POST DEVELOPMENT GOING TO BE FLOODPLAIN, 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. I SPOKE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. SO, ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS OF THE SIZE DO A DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. AND SO, THEY EVALUATE ALL THOSE DOWNSTREAM CONDITIONS, AND ALL THE PROPER DETENTION IS MET ON SITE FOR THOSE FLOODPLAINS. I DON'T KNOW, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, HOW FAR AWAY THE EXISTING FEMA FLOODPLAIN IS AND WHAT THAT DISTANCE SPACING IS. BUT THOSE THAT HAS BEEN STUDIED ON THIS PROJECT. OKAY. BUT YOU ARE OKAY. YOU'RE KIMLEY-HORN NOW THIS. OKAY. YEAH. THIS KIMLEY-HORN IS OUR ENGINEER AND KIMLEY-HORN IS THE DEVELOPMENT AS THE ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT, WHICH HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP AS A PROBLEM BEFORE. BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO I'M TALKING TO. AM I TALKING TO KIMLEY-HORN HIRED BY THE CITY, OR AM I TALKING TO KIMLEY-HORN OF SALINA? AS CLARIFIED, I'M HIRED BY OUR CLIENT. I WORK ON THE PRIVATE SIDE OF KIMLEY-HORN, SO I HAVE NO PART. WE HAVE A REVIEWING OUR OWN WORK DOCUMENT THAT'S BEEN SIGNED. AND SO, THE CITY'S AWARE I'M NOT THE ONE REVIEWING THE CITY WORK. I DON'T PARTAKE OR TALK TO THE PUBLIC SIDE FOLKS. SO, I'M HIRED BY OUR, BY GREEN BRICK PARTNERS ON THIS DEVELOPMENT ON THE PRIVATE SIDE. AND Y'ALL DON'T DO A DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE PRIVATE SIDE DOES THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. SO, OUR CLIENT HAS HIRED AND CONTRACTED KIMLEY-HORN PRIVATE TEAM TO DO THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT ON THIS PROJECT. [00:30:05] THE CITY HAS NOT HIRED THE PRIVATE ENGINEER TO DO THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. IT'S A CLIENT DRIVEN. SO, YOU WORK FOR KIMLEY-HORN. ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, THE CLIENT HAS HIRED YOU TO DO THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. KIMLEY-HORN. BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE YOU POINTED TOWARDS THE CITY, AND YOU SAID, I DON'T KNOW THIS. WELL, DID KIMLEY-HORN YOU'RE AN ENGINEER, RIGHT? CORRECT. I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND YOU WERE HIRED KIMLEY-HORN YOUR COMPANY THAT YOU WORK FOR? DID THIS DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT, RIGHT? CORRECT. GREENBRICK PARTNERS HAS HIRED KIMLEY-HORN TO CONDUCT A DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT FOR THE EASTRIDGE PROJECT SPECIFIC TO EASTRIDGE PHASE FOUR. AND YOU CAN IS THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. IT'S BEEN CONDUCTED ALREADY. IT'S BEEN CONDUCTED IT'S BEEN APPROVED. CORRECT. AND YOU STILL CAN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION. PERHAPS. CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER? YEAH. MY QUESTION WAS THE. WE HAVE A POST DEVELOPMENT 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN SHOWN ON THIS MAP. IS THAT 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN GOING TO EXIST, AND WHERE IS IT GOING TO EXIST BETWEEN WHERE THE MAP ENDS, WHICH IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, AND WHERE THE TURKEY CREEK TURKEY CREEK TRIBUTARY IS? SO, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY YOUR MODELS THAT YOU BUILD. THEY YOU HAVE TO DO DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR WATER COMING INTO THE PROPERTY, WATER THAT ONCE WHEN THE SOIL ON YOUR PROPERTY IS NOW BEING COVERED BY CONCRETE AND YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR WHERE THE WATER IS GOING TO GO DOWNSTREAM. SO, YOU GUYS HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR IT WHERE IT IS ON THE PROPERTY. YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT Y'ALL WERE HIRED FROM FORT TO DO A DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT AS OFF THE PROPERTY? WE HAVE HAD NO MAP IN FRONT OF US. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY HAS A MAP. IT'S CERTAINLY NOT BEEN UPDATED ON OUR GIS BECAUSE AS FAR AS I SAW, I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL I SAW THAT THIS THAT THERE WAS ANY TYPE OF FLOODPLAIN THERE. OBVIOUSLY, THERE WON'T BE UNTIL THE DEVELOPMENT'S DONE, BUT WHERE IS THE NEW FLOODPLAIN GOING TO BE? WE KNOW THERE'S A NEW FLOODPLAIN. WE KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HIRED TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT IS. WHERE DOES IT END? IS IT A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN ON THIS PROPERTY? WHERE DOES THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN END? I ASSUME IT ENDS AT THE TURKEY CREEK TRIBUTARY, WHERE THERE ALREADY IS A FLOODPLAIN. WHERE DOES IT GO BETWEEN OR, LIKE OUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE FUTURE, ARE GOING TO HAVE TO NOT BUILD WHEREVER THIS IS. THAT IS MY QUESTION. CLEAR? YES. I BELIEVE YOUR QUESTION IS CLEAR. AND YOUR QUESTION IS, IS WHERE IS THE MAPPED FLOODPLAIN ON OTHER PEOPLE'S TRACKS AND OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY BETWEEN OUR PROJECT AND THE DOWNSTREAM TRIBUTARY? CORRECT. SO I WILL SPEAK TO THIS. THERE IS WE WILL NOT MAP IT ON OTHER PEOPLE'S AND PROVIDE THE GIS. IT'S IN THE MODELS WITH THE SYSTEM. AND, AND WE HAVE MAPPED WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT FLOODPLAIN SITS. THE CITY MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON THIS. WE DO NOT CONDUCT THE FULL MAPPING OF ALL OF THE DOWNSTREAM FLOODPLAIN BEYOND OUR PROPERTY LINE. SO, WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT SITS, BUT WE DON'T PROVIDE THAT TO OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS. OKAY. SO, DO YOU IF YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, DO YOU NOT NEED AN EASEMENT FOR THAT? DID YOU BUY AN EASEMENT FROM THOSE? BECAUSE WHEREVER YOU'VE CREATED A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN THAT IS OFF OF YOUR PROPERTY, BETWEEN WHERE THE CURRENT TRIBUTARY IS AND THAT PROPERTY, THAT'S PRIVATE LAND. SO, DID YOU OR IS ON THAT PRIVATE LAND? IS THERE NOW GOING TO BE FLOODPLAIN THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT? AND ARE YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR BUYING A OR IS THE DEVELOPER RESPONSIBLE FOR BUYING A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY? JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS NOT STUDIED THE DOWNSTREAM FLOODPLAINS ON SITE, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT 100 YEAR WATER SURFACE DOESN'T EXIST. SO THAT 100 YEAR WATER SURFACE, EVEN PRE-DEVELOPMENT, EXISTS OUT THERE. AND THERE'S BOUNDARIES EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT DRAWN ON A SHEET OF PAPER. AND SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET AN ENGINEER TO STUDY AND DRAW FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. SO JUST BECAUSE WE'RE SHOWING IT ON OUR PROJECT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WASN'T THERE BEFORE. THERE'S PRE-DEVELOPMENT FLOODPLAINS. WHAT OUR DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT DOES IS IT MAPS THE PRE AND THE POST. AND IT MAKES SURE THAT OUR DETENTION ON SITE AND THOSE TIMING DIFFERENCES AS THE WATER IS FLOWING THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR THOSE DIFFERENCES AND [00:35:01] THAT WE'RE DETAINING THE DIFFERENCE SO THAT THEY'RE 100 YEAR WATER SURFACE ELEVATION REMAINS, REMAINS UNCHANGED DOWNSTREAM OF US DUE TO THOSE TIMING DIFFERENCES. WELL, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT JUST BECAUSE THE FLOODPLAIN ISN'T SHOWN ON A MAP DOESN'T MEAN IT EXISTS. IT'S JUST, I'VE BEEN SCREAMING INTO A BLACK HOLE THIS EXACT ISSUE, AND IT'S WHY WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHERE WE'RE BUILDING. BUT ON YOUR PLAT, IT'S NOTED AS A POST DEVELOPMENT FLOODPLAIN. SO YOU'RE. YOU JUST TOLD ME SOMETHING THAT. IS THAT THAT. OH, IT ALREADY EXISTED. I DON'T. WELL, THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE. THERE'S NO TOPOGRAPHIC MAP HERE. IN THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT WE JUST PASSED. THERE'S A TOPOGRAPHIC MAP THERE. THERE'S NO TOPOGRAPHIC MAP. I DON'T KNOW. MR. FISHER, IS THERE A REASON THAT THIS ONE, THAT THIS PARTICULAR PLANT DOES NOT HAVE A TOPO MAP? THAT MIGHT HELP ME TO SEE THAT THERE WAS A PREEXISTING, YOU KNOW, WATERWAY, SOME SORT OF TRIBUTARY IN THAT PLACE. SO, OUR FINAL PLAT DRAWINGS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO SHOW THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT WERE REVIEWED PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION COMMENCING. THEY DID HAVE GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLANS THAT SHOWED THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT HELPED DETERMINE AND SHOW THE FLOODPLAIN HERE ON THE PLAT. BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE TONIGHT. WHAT? YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO, YOU KNOW, THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT WAS PREPARED BY THE CLIENT'S ENGINEER, WAS THEN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY. THE CITY'S SEPARATE ENGINEER THEN REVIEWED THOSE PLANS, FOUND THEM TO BE IN CONFORMANCE. AND THIS THIS PLOT SHOWS THE FLOODPLAIN BOUNDARIES, ALL ON AN HOA LOT OUTSIDE OF ANY WILL BE PRIVATE PROPERTY AND OR ANY HOMES WILL BE BUILT. AND WE PROVIDED THE APPROVED CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR REFERENCE THAT SHOW THOSE TOPOGRAPHY LINES. I'M NOT 100% SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO SEE, BUT I KNOW THAT THESE THIS PROJECT HAS ALREADY BEEN THROUGH A THOROUGH, DETAILED REVIEW OF THE ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION PLANS, THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT, AND THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN FOUND TO MEET THE CITY'S CRITERIA FOR OUR DRAINAGE CRITERIA. AND THIS ITEM IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL. IT MEETS ALL APPLICABLE CITY ORDINANCES, AND PNC AND CITY COUNCIL IS OBLIGATED TO APPROVE IT. SEVERAL THINGS HERE. NUMBER ONE, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT WAS SHOWN IS PRE-DEVELOPMENT TOPOGRAPHY. THE POST-DEVELOPMENT TOPOGRAPHY IS DIFFERENT THAN PRE-DEVELOPMENT TOPOGRAPHY. SO WHAT DOES THE TOPOGRAPHY LOOK LIKE NOW? THAT SEEMS TO BE IMPORTANT, RIGHT? THAT SHOULD BE ON THIS PLAT. ESPECIALLY IF THE PLAT, IF THE BUILDING HERE CREATES A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. NOW YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO TELL ME THAT IT DOESN'T, BUT NO 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN EXISTS HERE BEFORE. NOW, YOU JUST MENTIONED, MR. FISHER, THAT THAT THIS PASSES THE REQUIRED CITY ORDINANCES. CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THE CITY ORDINANCES ARE SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO DRAINAGE? SURE. YEAH. IN A NUTSHELL, THE CITY'S DRAINAGE CRITERIA IS THAT THE POST-CONSTRUCTION CONDITION CANNOT. THE FLOWS EXITING THE SITE CANNOT EXCEED THE PRE DEVELOPED CONDITION. SO, PRIOR TO THIS SITE BEING DEVELOPED, IT WAS A FIELD AND THERE WAS WATER THAT WOULD FLOW OFF OF THIS SITE INTO THE CREEK AND DOWNSTREAM. THAT HAPPENED BEFORE ANY DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED. THERE WAS WATER LEAVING THE SITE, AND THE ENGINEERS PLANS WERE REVIEWED AND FOUND THAT THEY WERE DETAINING WATER AND SLOWING THE WATER DOWN SO THAT POST-DEVELOPMENT THOSE FLOWS DO NOT EXCEED THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT CONDITION. AND THE CITY ENGINEERS HAS REVIEWED THESE PLANS, REVIEWED THE CONSTRUCTION ON SITE, AND HAS FOUND THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS DESIGNED AND HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY ORDINANCES. THE FLOODPLAIN DID EXIST PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT. THIS MAP THAT THE PLOT IS SHOWING THE APPROXIMATE LIMITS OR THE LIMITS OF IT. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT PLEASE REPEAT ANY THAT I DIDN'T GET TO. SO YOU'RE WHAT I SHOWED THERE. YOU SAID THAT THE FLOOD ZONE THE FLOODPLAIN EXISTED PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT. ON WHAT MAP DOES IT SHOW THAT THE FLOODPLAIN RIGHT THERE THAT'S NOTED AS A POST-DEVELOPMENT FLOODPLAIN POST-DEVELOPMENT 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. [00:40:02] YOU SAID THAT IT EXISTED BEFOREHAND. YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THERE IS THAT. SO BASICALLY, I'M ASKING, HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT, THAT THE WATER THAT IS FLOWING? I DON'T I DIDN'T SEE ANY DETENTION PONDS OR RETENTION PONDS OR ANYTHING TO SLOW DOWN THE WATER. HOW CAN YOU SAY? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT. IN THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT, THERE'S A MAP THAT SHOWS THE PRE-PROJECT FLOODPLAIN AND THE POST-PROJECT FLOODPLAIN OVERLAID ON ONE ANOTHER IN THAT DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. AND THERE IS A DETENTION POND ON PAGE TWO WHICH DOCUMENTS THAT ON THE PRE-PROJECT FLOODPLAIN IS IN THE APPROVED DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I SAW THE DETENTION POND WHEN I WAS DOING MY WALKTHROUGH. WELL, OKAY. DETENTION POND OR NOT? THE MAIN THING THAT I'M LOOKING FOR HERE IS YOU. THE IDEA IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OTHER PROPERTIES BETWEEN WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS PRIVATELY OWNED, PROPERTIES BETWEEN WHERE THIS IS AND WHERE THE TURKEY CREEK TRIBUTARY IS, THAT THERE IS NOT THAT WE ARE NOT VIOLATING ALLOWING YOU TO VIOLATE THE ORDINANCE WHICH SAYS NO ADDITIONAL WATER. NO, NO HIGHER FLOW RATE IS GOING THROUGH THOSE PROPERTIES. AND YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THIS EXISTED PRIOR? SO, WHAT MAP IS IT AGAIN? AND WHERE DO I FIND IT? WHAT MAP IS IT THAT SHOWS THAT THIS 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN THAT IS MARKED AS A POST-DEVELOPMENT FLOODPLAIN EXISTED ALREADY, AND THAT THESE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE BETWEEN WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS AND THE TRIBUTARY ALREADY HAD 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN THAT EXISTED GOING THROUGH THEIR PROPERTIES. BECAUSE BASICALLY, LIKE IF YOU OWN THAT PROPERTY. RIGHT, MR. FISHER, IF YOU OWN THAT PROPERTY IF I OWN THAT PROPERTY, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT SOMEBODY'S NOT CREATING A FLOODPLAIN ON MY PROPERTY. SO, I'M BEING TOLD SOMETHING. I'M JUST ASKING. I'M JUST ASKING. WHERE IS IT DOCUMENTED THAT THIS FLOODPLAIN EXISTED RATHER THAN JUST SAYING, HEY, IT EXISTED? YEAH. THOSE MAPS THAT FEMA HAS, FLOODPLAIN MAPS THEY SHOW AND THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ON THEIR WEB PAGE. IT SHOWS YOU CAN PULL UP DIFFERENT PAGES OF THE FLOODPLAIN THAT MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN MAPPED, AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC THAT YOU CAN VIEW. SOME OF THEM ARE ESTIMATES AND AREN'T REALLY KNOWN UNTIL DEVELOPMENT OCCURS AND FLOOD STUDIES ARE DONE, BUT IT'S A FEMA FLOODPLAIN. THEY HAVE IT MAPPED. IT'S NOT A FEMA FLOODPLAIN. IT SAYS IT RIGHT HERE ON THE PLAT, AND IT'S NOT ON PULL. PLEASE PULL UP THE FEMA MAPS AND SHOW ME WHERE IT'S ALREADY MAPPED BY FEMA. ON THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, THERE IS NO FEMA FLOODPLAIN, I THINK. I THINK CRAIG'S POINT IS IT'S A LITTLE BIT, SORRY, I WAS JUST SPEAKING GENERALLY THAT FEMA FLOODPLAINS ARE MAPPED ON THEIR MAPS. BUT MY MISTAKE, THIS ONE'S NOT FEMA. SO I'M SORRY, BUT WE'RE GOING IN CIRCLES HERE WHERE MOST OF THESE THINGS AREN'T MAPPED. IF THINGS HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED. I MEAN, THERE'S JUST NATURAL, YOU KNOW, CREEKS OR DRAINAGE AREAS, THEY'RE NOT MAPPED. SO WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, THE ENGINEERING TEAM THEN STUDIED WHAT WAS HAPPENING, WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, AND CREATED THE MAP THAT YOU SEE HERE, THE ON THE PLAT OKAY. SO WHERE IS THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT MAP THAT SHOWS THAT IT EXISTS? IN THE IN THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED. THERE IS A MAP THAT SHOWS THE FULL LIMITS, THE FULL DRAINAGE BASIN OF THE ENTIRE TURKEY CREEK TRIBUTARY. AND IN THERE IT SHOWS THE MAP OF WHERE OUR PRE-PROJECT FLOODPLAIN HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE, WHERE THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE, AND THAT DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY, THAT IS THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING THAT THAT SHOWS THAT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE PRE-PROJECT FLOWS AND THE POST-PROJECT FLOWS AT OUR PROJECT FLOW LINE DON'T CAUSE ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS DOWNSTREAM OF US. I THINK THAT THAT IS THE DOCUMENT SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT SHOWS THAT WE HAVE MET THOSE CRITERIA THAT CRAIG OUTLINED PREVIOUSLY IN, IN THE CITY'S ORDINANCES. MR. FISHER, WHERE DO I FIND THAT DOCUMENT? IS IT IN THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS HERE? YOU COULD SUBMIT AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST, AND WE CAN PROVIDE IT TO YOU. IT'S NOT. IT'S REFERENCED IN THE APPROVED CONSTRUCTION PLANS, BUT THE FULL DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT IS A SEPARATE DOCUMENT THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE CITY'S ENGINEER AND THEN APPROVED PRIOR TO THESE CONSTRUCTION PLANS BEING APPROVED. IS A DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THESE PLAT APPROVAL PROCESSES FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT, [00:45:05] BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST ME. WE'VE HAD PEOPLE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY COME AND BEG FOR US TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE CAUSED BY DEVELOPERS. THAT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT POPS UP AND FLOODING BECOMES WORSE ON THEIR PROPERTIES. AND THIS IS COMMON. THAT'S WHY THESE LAWS EXIST. THAT'S WHY THE CITY PASSED THESE ORDINANCES. SO, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT IT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THIS SUBMITTED? AS FOR PUBLIC VIEWING, AND WITH THE FINAL PLOTS FOR US TO APPROVE IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN ADD THEM AS AN ATTACHMENT SIMILAR TO THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS. BUT THESE ARE STAFF APPROVED, SO IT WON'T BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE VOTED ON BY PUBLIC BODIES. OKAY, FINE. I MEAN, I GUESS THE POINT IS LIKE WE'RE BEING TOLD SOMETHING. PROPERTY OWNERS ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS IS OCCURRING PROPERLY. I JUST SPOKE TO THE CITY. THE PRIVATE ENGINEER DID. I ASSUME THAT. SO, MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS. THE KIMLEY-HORN WHO? THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT I WAS JUST SPEAKING TO. THEY DO THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. THEY HAND IT OVER TO THE CITY. THE CITY HANDS IT OVER TO KIMLEY-HORN, OUR THIRD PARTY ENGINEER. AND THEY DO THEIR OWN PRIVATE OR INDEPENDENT DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IT WAS DONE PROPERLY AND THAT IT'S CORRECT. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. THE APPROVAL PROCESS IS VERY SIMILAR TO CONSTRUCTION PLANS. THE PRIVATE SIDE OF KIMLEY-HORN WILL SUBMIT THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT, WHICH WILL THEN BE SENT OVER TO THE CITY'S KIMLEY-HORN ENGINEERS, AND THEN THEY'LL GO BACK AND FORTH AS NECESSARY TO GET ALL THE COMMENTS ADDRESSED. AND THEN IT'S ULTIMATELY APPROVED. OKAY. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO DO IT AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN OR AS A OR IF IT CAN JUST BE SUBMITTED TO ME. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS. BUT THIS IS, THIS IS EXACTLY THE ISSUE THAT WE'VE HAD CITIZENS, BECAUSE THIS IS A PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT TRAFFIC EVERY DAY BECAUSE THEY DEAL WITH IT EVERY DAY. PEOPLE DON'T PEOPLE DON'T KNOW TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE DRAINAGE UNTIL A DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT. AND THEN A YEAR LATER, TWO YEARS LATER, LIKE, OH, THERE'S A LOT MORE WATER HERE THAN THERE WAS. AND IT'S HAPPENING A LOT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S TRANSPARENCY ON AND ACCOUNTABILITY ON. SO FOR BOTH OF THOSE ITEMS FOR I WOULD THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY KIMLEY-HORN THAT'S HIRED BY US, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING FROM THEM STATING OR SHOWING WHAT THEIR MODELS SHOW THAT THERE'S NOT WHAT THE PRE AND POST DEVELOPMENT DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT SHOWS AS FAR AS WHERE THE WATER FLOW IS. AND I WOULD THINK THAT WHAT'S BEING SUBMITTED TO THEM AS WELL CAN BE SHOWN TO US BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT THE PUBLIC IS CONCERNED ABOUT. I STILL OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER HERE, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE PRE AND POST? THE PRE AND POST, THE LOCATION AND THE WATER FLOW OF THE PRE AND POST DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, WHICH IS NOTED ON THIS PLAT AS A POST DEVELOPMENT 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. BECAUSE YOU'RE TELLING ME THIS, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO GO BY EXCEPT FOR YOUR WORD. RIGHT? I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANY DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS OR DRAINAGE STUDIES THE CITIES HAVE. AS LONG AS YOU SUBMIT AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT PRE AND POST FLOOD DEVELOPMENTS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I REALLY CAN'T PROVIDE YOU AN ANSWER. THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT, WHICH WAS REVIEWED BY THE CITY'S DRAINAGE ENGINEER AND APPROVED. THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A DRAINAGE ENGINEER. WE HIRE KIMLEY-HORN FOR THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT. KIMLEY-HORN HAS A DRAINAGE ENGINEER THAT HANDLES THE REVIEWS OF DRAINAGE STUDIES AS WELL AS DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS. CAN I CHIME IN? SO THIS IS ACTUALLY FALLING INTO SOME OF THOSE LOOPHOLES WITH THE ORDINANCES, WHICH IS WHY COUNCIL IS PUT FORTH TO MAKE CHANGES TO OUR ORDINANCES TO KIND OF CLEAN THIS UP. AND I KNOW THAT 3517 1D IS WHERE DURING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, THAT'S WHEN THEY DID THEIR CONTOURS BASED ON THEIR DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY, SINCE THIS WILL COME TO COUNCIL AND I'M EQUALLY AS PASSIONATE ABOUT DRAINAGE. IF WE CAN HAVE THAT DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT, I MEAN, I CAN PUT IN MY OWN RECORDS REQUEST SO I CAN REVIEW IT BEFORE IT COMES TO COUNCIL. JUST TO ENSURE THAT IT IS LOOKED AT. BECAUSE I AGREE, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO LOOK AT IT. [00:50:04] AND WHEN WE DO OUR CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCES, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK AT. HAVING ACCESS TO, TO REVIEW. SURE. I CAN INCLUDE IT AS AN ATTACHMENT IN MONDAY'S AGENDA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN TODD. I AGREE THAT THERE'S SOME ORDINANCES THAT NEED TO CHANGE. BUT THERE'S NO LOOPHOLE HERE. THE ORDINANCES STATE THAT WE CAN'T, AS THEY EXIST NOW, STATE THAT THAT A DEVELOPER CANNOT CAUSE AN INCREASED FLOW RATE ON A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. AND WHAT I SEE HERE AS FAR I MEAN, I'M BEING TOLD ONE THING AND I'M SEEING ANOTHER, I'M BEING TOLD THAT THIS EXISTED ALREADY. BUT WHAT I'M SEEING IS A PLOT HERE THAT SHOWS THAT THERE'S A POST DEVELOPMENT 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, BUT AND THAT IT ALWAYS EXISTED. WE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT PART OF WHAT FEMA HAS MAPPED. IT WAS MAPPED BY SOMEBODY, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THEY DID THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT, IT WAS TURNED OVER TO THE CITY, WHICH WAS THEN TURNED OVER TO KIMLEY-HORN, OUR ENGINEER. THIS THIS IS MAPPED SOMEWHERE. AND MY QUESTION DIRECTLY TO KIM KIMLEY-HORN, ENGINEER, WHO IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE CONDUCTED THIS DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT, WAS NOT ABLE TO ANSWER IT OR PROVIDE ANYTHING TO ME. SO, YEAH, THIS IS THIS IS A CONCERN. IT'S EXACTLY THE ISSUE THAT HOMEOWNERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AND DEALING WITH. YEAR OR TWO AFTER THEY BUY THEIR PROPERTY OR BUY THEIR HOMES, OR A YEAR OR TWO AFTER A NEIGHBORING DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT. THIS IS NOT AN IMAGINED ISSUE. BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU AGAIN, COUNCILWOMAN TODD. BUT AGAIN, THIS THESE AS FAR AS I THINK, THE ONLY THING THAT'S REALLY MISSING HERE IN THE ORDINANCES IS ACCOUNTABILITY. LIKE MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS DONE PROPERLY WITH THE ORDINANCES ALREADY EXIST TO PROTECT THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. WE JUST ARE BASICALLY BEING TOLD, TRUST US. YEAH. CHAIRMAN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY STAFF, THAT'S OUR JOB TO ENSURE THAT THESE CONSTRUCTION PLANS AND THESE SUBDIVISIONS ARE BUILT PER THE ADOPTED CODE. AND THE CITY'S ENGINEER, THEY PUT THEIR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING LICENSE ON THE LINE WHEN THEY APPROVE PLANS. WHEN THEY WRITE A LETTER SAYING THAT ALL THESE PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED WHEN THEY APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT. THE DEVELOPER'S PRIVATE ENGINEER ALSO HAS HER STAMP ON THE APPROVED CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT THEY'RE APPROVING THIS DESIGN. SO, THERE IS ACCOUNTABILITY IN THAT RESPECT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NOT BRING ANYTHING TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION UNTIL THINGS ARE FULLY MEET CITY CODE. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE MONTHS AND MONTHS LONG REVIEW. IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING WE TAKE LIGHTLY. WE IT'S OUR JOB. WE'RE HIRED BY THE CITY TO ENFORCE THESE ORDINANCES, AND THAT IS WHAT WE SPEND OUR TIME DOING, ENSURING THAT THESE DEVELOPMENT PLANS CONFORM WITH THE ADOPTED REGULATIONS. THANK YOU, MR. FISHER. YOU SAID SOMETHING MULTIPLE TIMES THAT I WANT TO CORRECT YOU ON. YOU KEEP SAYING THE CITY'S ENGINEER. THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE AN ENGINEER. YES. KIMLEY-HORN IS THE CITY'S HIRED ENGINEER. THEY ARE THE CITY'S ENGINEER. RIGHT? SO, IT'S KIMLEY-HORN IS ON BOTH SIDES IS DOING THIS DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT ONE. THE PRIVATE ENTITY IS DOING THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. THE ONE THAT'S HIRED BY CITY OF PRINCETON IS MAKING SURE THAT IT WAS DONE PROPERLY. I ASSUME THAT THEY DO THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT ONE. AND YES, THEY'RE SEPARATE IN THEIR OFFICE. THEY HAVE PRIVATE ENGINEERS THAT WORK FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR. THEY HAVE ENGINEERS THAT SOLELY WORK FOR THE PUBLIC SECTOR. AND WHEN OUR, THE CITY'S ENGINEER FROM KIMLEY-HORN RECEIVES PLANS THAT ALSO COME FROM THE KIMLEY-HORN, THEY SUBMIT A LETTER ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THEY'RE REVIEWING WORK FROM THEIR OWN FIRM, BUT THEY REMAIN SEPARATE. THEY'RE FROM DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, PHYSICAL OFFICES WITHIN THE KIMLEY-HORN. BUT THERE IS SEPARATION. AND THEY THE PRIVATE ENGINEERS CREATED THE PLANS AND THEN THE CITY'S HIRED PUBLIC ENGINEER. IT'S SEPARATE PEOPLE. SEPARATE ENGINEERS REVIEWING THE WORK. THANK YOU. SO, WAS A CLOMR SUBMITTED TO FEMA FOR THIS FLOODPLAIN? THERE IS NO MAPPED FEMA FLOODPLAIN ON THIS PROJECT, SO A CLOMR OR A LOMR ARE NOT NECESSARY. AND NO DEVELOPMENT WAS DONE BECAUSE THERE IS NO FEMA FLOODPLAIN ON THIS PROPERTY. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR US TO DEVELOP WITHIN THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN, SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR A CLIMBER. YOU ARE SAYING THAT THERE'S A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. [00:55:01] THAT'S WHAT THE THAT'S WHAT THE PURPOSE OF A CLOMR IS, RIGHT? LIKE, THERE'S GOING TO BE THERE'S GOING TO BE CHANGE POST DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE FLOODPLAIN. THE CLOMR SPECIFIC FOR A FEMA FLOODPLAIN AREA. OUR FLOODPLAIN IS A POST-PROJECT 100 YEAR WATER SURFACE FLOODPLAIN. SO, IN A 100 YEAR STORM EVENT. HOW HIGH WOULD THAT WATER GET? IT'S IT. IT'S NOT A FEMA FLOODPLAIN. AND SO, THE CLOSURE IS A PROCESS THAT IS WITH A WITH THE FEDERAL FLOOD MANAGEMENT. WHAT IS THE FLOODPLAIN X? CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT A FLOODPLAIN X IS BY THE BY FEMA'S DEFINITION, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT TECHNICAL DEFINITION MEMORIZED ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT FLOODPLAIN X MEANS THERE IS NO FEMA FLOODPLAIN ON THIS PROPERTY. I THINK FLOODPLAIN. OKAY, MAYBE I'M WRONG. MAYBE IT'S I THOUGHT FLOODPLAIN X IS A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, IS IT NOT? NO. FLOODPLAIN A AND FLOODPLAIN AE WOULD BOTH BE 100 YEAR FLOOD POINTS. ONE'S BEEN STUDIED, ONE'S BEEN STUDIED. FLOODPLAIN X MEANS THERE IS NO FEMA FLOODPLAIN HERE. OKAY. BUT THIS IS A STUDIED FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE YOU'VE STUDIED IT, YOU'VE MAPPED IT AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT POST-DEVELOPMENT THERE'S DEFINITELY A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN THERE. THERE'S NO LETTER OF MAP REVISION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED OR WILL BE SUBMITTED TO FEMA SO THAT SO THAT HOMEOWNERS ARE AWARE THAT HOMEOWNERS THAT ON THE PROPERTY BETWEEN WHERE YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS AND WHERE THE TRIBUTARY IS, KNOW THAT THERE IS A FLOODPLAIN ON THEIR PROPERTY. YOU'RE SAYING THAT LIKE CRAIG IS THE OR MR. FISHER, IS THIS GOING TO BE UPDATED ON THE CITY MAP OR RESIDENTS GOING TO BE GIVEN SOME SORT OF NOTICE THAT THEY HAVE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT BEFORE, THAT WE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT HOW EXACTLY DOES THIS WORK? OR IS THIS SOMETHING IS THIS REALLY WHERE WE NEED TO BEEF UP OUR ORDINANCES? SO THE CITY'S GIS SHOWS AN ESTIMATED FEMA FLOODPLAIN, 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN BUT NON FEMA FLOODPLAINS ARE NOT OR ARE NOT SHOWN ON THE CITY'S GIS MAPS. SO THE CITY'S DRAINAGE CRITERIA IS TO DESIGN TO 100 YEAR FLOOD EVENT. IT'S. I THINK WE'RE MAYBE CONFUSING THOSE WITH FEMA'S SOME FEMA'S FLOODPLAIN. SO OUR DRAINAGE CRITERIA IS THAT THERE BE NO DEVELOPMENT WITHIN SIGHT. YOU KNOW, A DRAINAGE AREA BASED ON A 100 YEAR EVENT. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S NO FEMA FLOODPLAIN. BUT I'M SORRY. IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024. KIMLEY-HORN CAME AND GAVE US A PRESENTATION WHERE THEY, THEY NOTED THAT THAT THEY. THAT THEY TAKE THESE MAPS BASED ON WHERE THE FLOODPLAINS ARE, WHERE IT CHANGES BECAUSE OF DEVELOPMENTS FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR MASTER, WHATEVER. HIS MASTER DRAINAGE MAP. AND THAT THEY MAKE THEIR OWN FLOODPLAIN MAP FOR THE CITY OF PRINCETON. AND THEY SAID THAT OUR FLOODPLAIN ACTUALLY HAS STRICTER STANDARDS THAN THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN. SO, AND THEY SAID THAT IS WHAT WE GO BY AS A CITY WHEN WE'RE DECIDING WHERE OR WHERE WE CANNOT DEVELOP. AND WHAT YOU JUST TOLD ME IS, MR. FISHER, IS THE OPPOSITE. YOU SAID THAT THE CITY IS NOT WHATEVER VERBIAGE YOU USE, NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN. YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MAPS, THE GIS. THE CITY IS MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE, WHAT WE WERE TOLD BY KIMLEY-HORN BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024. THEY SAID THEY BASICALLY SAID WE IGNORE THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE THE CITY PRINCETON HAS STRICTER STANDARDS. SO, TAKING THAT INFORMATION, WHICH IS LAID OUT IN OUR ORDINANCES AND APPLYING IT TO THIS SITUATION, IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE CITY OF PRINCETON HAS AN OBLIGATION NOW THAT THEY HAVE NEW INFORMATION FROM AN ENGINEER SAYING THAT THERE'S A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN HERE, WHETHER IT EXISTED PRE-DEVELOPMENT OR POST DEVELOPMENT. TO ADD IT TO THEIR MAPS SO THAT CITY RESIDENTS AND THE CITY ITSELF AND, AND OTHER DEVELOPERS THAT MAY DEVELOP ON THE LAND EAST OF YOU, BETWEEN YOU AND WHERE YOUR PROPERTY IS IN THE TRIBUTARY. KNOW WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE? THE NOW KNOWN CONDITIONS, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S A MODEL THAT SIT ON YOUR COMPUTER THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TO A LOT OF [01:00:01] PEOPLE. MR. FISHER, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? IS THIS MAKING SENSE TO YOU? IT'S MORE OF A, I MEAN, IT'S A QUESTION OF WHAT THE HECK ARE WE DOING? A GENERAL QUESTION OF WHAT THE HECK ARE WE DOING? BUT IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT OF WHAT I, WHAT WE WERE TOLD AND WHAT WE WERE TOLD. THE ORDINANCES SAY REGARDING THE CITY OF PRINCETON DRAINAGE AS FAR AS WHERE THE CITY DECIDES WHAT THEIR FLOOD BOUNDARY IS SEPARATE FROM FEMA, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE STRICTER, THAT THAT IS WHERE WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS. AND NOW I'M BEING TOLD THAT THERE'S NEW DATA HERE AND IT'S NOT GOING ONTO THE CITY MAP. WE'RE IN THE CITY MAP. WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT FEMA. WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS OFF THAT. THESE ARE TWO CONTRADICTING IDEAS. SO, THE GIS SHOWS FEMA'S FLOODPLAIN AND THOSE AREN'T USED. THAT'S JUST SHOWN AS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, AS EACH DEVELOPMENT ADJACENT TO ANY DRAINAGE AREA IS DESIGNED, THEY HAVE TO THEN LOOK AT THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT AND THEY HAVE TO STUDY THE EXISTING CONDITIONS FOR THAT AREA. FEMA FLOODPLAIN OR NOT, ALL THE DRAINAGE FOR A GIVEN SITE HAS TO BE STUDIED WITH EACH AND EVERY DEVELOPMENT. WHAT'S SHOWN ON OUR GIS IS A COURTESY. IT'S AN ESTIMATE. IT'S NOT USED TO MAKE DESIGN DECISIONS. IT'S NOT USED TO DESIGN THE SUBDIVISION. THAT THOSE ARE THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS LIKE WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING TONIGHT. SO NO, WE DO NOT SHOW EVERY DRAINAGE AREA AND EVERY ON OUR CITY'S GIS. THE FEMA'S FLOODPLAIN IS JUST SHOWN FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES AS AN ESTIMATE WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN IS. BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANY HOMEOWNER OR ANY PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S LOOKING TO DEVELOP. THEY'VE GOT TO FOLLOW THE CITY ORDINANCES WHEN DESIGNING AND THEIR PROJECTS, AND WE WILL REVIEW THEM AND ENSURE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY PROPERLY STUDY THE EXISTING CONDITIONS FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT AND THAT THEIR PROJECT IS THEN DESIGNED ACCORDINGLY. BUT HOW DO THEY DO THAT? WHAT THEY LIKE, IF I'M A HOMEOWNER, I WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, FIX DRAINAGE ON MY PROPERTY. DO I HAVE TO PAY TO DO A DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT WHEN THE CITY HAS DATA HANDED OVER TO THEM BY DEVELOPERS? WHY WOULD YOU NOT USE THAT TO UPDATE ALL THE INFORMATION IN YOUR INTERNAL MAPS THAT ARE PUBLIC FOR LIKE, YEAH, ANYTHING THAT'S SUBMITTED TO THE CITY CAN BECOME AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND WE SHARE THAT ALL THE TIME. SO, WHEN A DEVELOPER IS, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY, THEY WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THEM. WE SHARE THOSE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLANS. THEN WE SHARE THAT DATA ALL THE TIME. SO IT IS AVAILABLE. WE'RE NOT VIA PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST. SURE. YEAH. THOSE ARE ALL FULFILLED WITHIN TEN BUSINESS DAYS. MANY TIMES MUCH QUICKER. OKAY. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE THAT I'VE LAID OUT HERE, YOU HAVE HOMEOWNERS THAT OWN THIS PROPERTY, OWNERS TO OWN PROPERTY BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE TURKEY CREEK TRIBUTARY. AND THEY DO NOT KNOW THAT A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN EXISTS NOW, OR BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT OR PREEXISTED, OR EXISTED BEFORE THIS DEVELOPMENT. NOW, ON THE PLATS IT SAYS POST DEVELOPMENT. BUT WE'LL IGNORE THAT FOR A MOMENT. THEY DO NOT KNOW. NOW, I WAS TOLD AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024, WHEN KIMLEY-HORN CAME AND GAVE THEIR PRESENTATION ABOUT DRAINAGE TO US, THAT THE CITY OF PRINCETON HAS ITS OWN ITS OWN FLOODPLAIN. AND ACTUALLY, I, I DID ASK YOU ABOUT THIS, MR. FISHER, BECAUSE I, BECAUSE I DID THE GI, I BROUGHT THIS UP ON MY OWN GIS MAPS AND SAW THAT THE CITY OF PRINCETON FLOODPLAIN EXACTLY MATCHES THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN. SO, I'D ASKED, WHERE'S THE CITY OF PRINCETON FLOODPLAIN? THERE'S NO MAP AVAILABLE. SO, YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT IT DOES NOT EXIST? WHAT IS IT THAT YOU THAT THE CITY USES TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS? IS IT JUST YOU GO BY THE FEMA MAP, WHICH, AGAIN, WOULD CONTRADICT WHAT WE WERE TOLD IS LAID OUT IN THE ORDINANCES AND WAS DECIDED BY OR WAS COMMUNICATED TO US BY KIMLEY-HORN BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024. IF THAT DATA EXISTS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS IT? IS IT JUST Y'ALL HAND OVER, LIKE, IF I WANTED Y'ALL JUST GOING TO HAND OVER A BUNCH OF FLOODPLAIN STUDIES TO ME. Y'ALL DON'T HAVE, LIKE, A GIS MAP. WHERE IS THE CITY'S FLOODPLAIN? I WOULD REFER YOU TO OUR MASTER DRAINAGE STUDY. [01:05:02] THAT THAT THAT PROBABLY GIVES YOU A PRETTY GOOD PICTURE OF WHERE THEIR FLOODPLAINS AND HOW, YOU DRAINAGE WATER IS MOVING THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I THINK WE'RE GETTING OFF TOPIC PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY. I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU AND SHARE ANYTHING, ANY DATA THE CITY HAS THAT IS USED TO HELP EVALUATE THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS. THESE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FLOOD STUDIES. I THINK GETTING YOU TOGETHER WITH THE CITY'S DRAINAGE ENGINEER PERHAPS WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. BUT I THINK FOR THE PURPOSES OF TONIGHT'S MEETING, I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE FINAL PLAT THAT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR EASTRIDGE PHASE FOUR. MR. FISHER, THANK YOU AGAIN. I FIRST OFF, THIS IS THIS IS DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH CITY ORDINANCE AND THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PLATS MEET CITY ORDINANCE. IF THEY DON'T, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO RECOMMEND THAT THEY ARE NOT PASSED. SO THIS IS AND YOU ALREADY LAID OUT THAT CITY ORDINANCE SAYS THAT THAT A POST DEVELOPMENT THERE CANNOT BE MORE WATER FLOW, A HIGHER WATER FLOW RATE ONTO A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. NOW WE DON'T AS FAR AS I'M BEING TOLD, IT SEEMS LIKE I'M BEING TOLD, JUST IGNORE IT AND PASS THIS. I'M ASKING BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU JUST TOLD ME TO REFER BACK TO THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN, WHICH WAS DONE IN 2018. IT'S 2025, SO THAT WAS SEVEN YEARS AGO. SO ARE THERE SEVEN YEARS OF FLOODPLAIN DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN UTILIZED BY THE CITY TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHERE THERE ARE THERE'S A GREATER AMOUNT OF DRAINAGE, THERE'S A GREATER AMOUNT OF WATER FLOW THAT WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT BEFORE. SO, YOU JUST TOLD ME TO GO BACK AND REFER TO OLD DATA. AND I'M SAYING THIS IS NEW DATA. THAT'S WHAT I'M BEING TOLD BY THE ENGINEER KIMLEY-HORN ENGINEER HERE. SPEAKING IS THAT THIS IS NEW DATA THAT SAYS THAT THIS FLOODPLAIN ALREADY EXISTED AGAIN ON THE PLAT. IT SAYS IT'S A POST-DEVELOPMENT FLOODPLAIN. WHAT DO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER. THEY CAN HAVE TO BUILD THEIR OWN MODELS. I DON'T I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION OTHER THAN WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THE DATA THAT YOU'RE GETTING AND WHAT ARE. I MEAN, THIS IS VALUABLE DATA. EVERYBODY THERE IS CONCERNS OF IT'S NOT JUST ME. THERE'S CONCERNS OF PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENTS THAT THERE ARE FLOODING AND DRAINAGE ISSUES. I WAS JUST REFERRED TO LOOK BACK AT A SEVEN YEAR OLD MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN TO DECIDE WHAT THE WHAT THE CURRENT ISSUES ARE, OR THE CURRENT CONDITIONS ARE FOR FLOODING AND DRAINAGE. BUT AGAIN, IN FRONT OF ME TONIGHT IS THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU ARE NOT VIOLATING ORDINANCE OF DUMPING MORE WATER ONTO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES BECAUSE THIS PREEXISTED AND I'M BEING TOLD TO GO AND THIS IS NEW DATA THAT YOU GUYS HAVE FIGURED OUT FROM A DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT THAT WAS JUST DONE. AND I'M BEING, I'M BEING ASKED LIKE, OKAY, SO HOW DO WE KNOW AS PROPERTY OWNERS, AS RESIDENTS THAT LIKE WHERE ELSE IS THIS OCCURRING? AND I'M BEING TOLD, GO BACK AND LOOK AT A SEVEN YEAR OLD MAP. THESE ARE CONTRADICTORY IDEAS. SO WHAT OCCURS WITH THAT DATA WHEN THERE'S A DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT? HOW DO WE KNOW THAT DEVELOPERS ARE NOT CONTINUOUSLY DOING THIS AND VIOLATING CITY ORDINANCE. I'M BEING TOLD, TRUST US. BUT I'M ALSO BEING TOLD THAT WE'RE NOT KEEPING TRACK OF THAT DATA WE DON'T HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE AN UPDATED MAP THAT WE CAN PROVIDE. WE ONLY HAVE THE FEMA MAP. AGAIN, WE WERE TOLD IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024 THAT WE DON'T GO BY A FEMA MAP, THAT WE GO BY OUR OWN MAP OF WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN IS. THESE ARE A LOT OF CONTRADICTORY IDEAS, AND THEY GET RIGHT TO THE CORE OF THE ISSUE THAT I ASKED ABOUT FOR THE PLAT THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON NOW, AND DIRECTLY TO THE ISSUE THAT MANY PROPERTY OWNERS, RESIDENTS HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT, NOT ONLY TO THIS COMMISSION, BUT ALSO TO THE CITY COUNCIL. CHAIR, IF I CAN MAKE A SUGGESTION, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS AND THEY ARE VALID CONCERNS. HOWEVER, THEY LEAD MORE INTO PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES AND WHILE THEY DO NEED MAYBE NEED TO BE REVIEWED AND LOOKED AT A CERTAIN TIME IN RESPECT OF EVERYONE'S TIME TONIGHT. WE CAN'T HOLD UP ONE DEVELOPMENT BASED ON FUTURE CHANGES TO THOSE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES AS THE WAY THEY STAND TODAY. [01:10:08] WE HAVE TO RELY ON THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, YOU KNOW, THE ENGINEERS AND THE CITY STAFF. AND UNTIL THAT PROCESS CHANGES, WHERE THOSE DOCUMENTS COME TO US FOR REVIEW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW. AND I FEEL LIKE THIS NEEDS TO BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION ON A KIND OF A SIDEBAR, MAYBE AN AGENDA, A FUTURE AGENDA TOPIC. AS FAR AS PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES AND WHAT'S REVIEWED AND WHEN IT'S REVIEWED. BUT AS I'M LEARNING FROM CRAIG, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING RIGHT NOW THAT COMES BEFORE US. AND SO, I MEAN, WE'RE 45 MINUTES INTO THIS CONVERSATION. I'M JUST TRYING TO RESPECT EVERYBODY'S TIME. I GET YOUR CONCERNS AND I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE VALID CONCERNS, BUT AS OF TONIGHT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND WE CAN'T MAKE CHANGES TO THOSE PROCESSES. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT. I THINK IN GENERAL. IF WE CAN GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN AT LEAST PROVIDE AT LEAST SUGGESTIONS. IT SAYS, HEY, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION. IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT, I'M OKAY WITH NOT APPROVING IT, BUT I THINK WE NEED SOMETHING. AS FAR AS, HEY, I NEED SOMETHING FROM THE CITY BASED OFF OF THIS OR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, JUST SO WE CAN VERIFY THAT A BIGGER SCHEME IS NOT JUST THIS PROPERTY, BUT OVERALL DEVELOPERS ARE NOT BEING AFFECTED BY DRAINAGE. I AGREE WITH BOTH POINTS THAT WERE MADE. THE CIRCLE THAT KEEPS HAPPENING IS I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AND I'M BEING REFERRED. THE ANSWERS I'M GETTING ARE NOT MAKING SENSE. I'M NOT BEING TOLD THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. IT'S A REAL PROBLEM. I'M BEING TOLD, LOOK AT THE 2018 STUDY. AND THAT IS A THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PLAT. THESE ARE CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS. SO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO FEED ME A CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT, I AM GOING TO RESPOND TO IT. AND THAT IS WHAT I'M RESPONDING TO OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I DO AGREE WITH THE OTHER TWO COMMISSIONERS THAT THAT AT THIS POINT, THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE GIVEN TO ANY OF US THAT THAT SAYS LIKE, OH, HERE'S THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED. OBVIOUSLY, WE DO NEED TO MAKE AN ACTION ON THIS. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT. WELL, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT CONTINGENCIES ON THIS PLAT. ONE BEING THAT THE PUMP STATION, I GUESS YOU GUYS SAID IN MID-MAY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DONE. NO, COAS ARE GOING TO BE UP. I'M SORRY. YOU LOOK LIKE YOU NEED A COMMISSIONER. FROM THE COUNCIL'S PERSPECTIVE YOUR POINTS ARE VERY VALID. THE PROVIDING THE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT. BUT THAT'S A CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL AND THE ORDINANCES AND HOW WE WANT TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. IT'S A CONVERSATION I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE. JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE NOT FALLING ON DEAF EARS. I DO AGREE WE SHOULD LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND ADDRESS IT. BUT I'M ALSO LOOKING WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE ORDINANCES 3525-B1, 2 AND 3 OF THEIR DRAINAGE IN CHECK. AND IT'S INCLUDED IN THE PRELIMINARY PLATS, WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE ADJUSTING TO. CORRECT. SO THAT THOSE PRELIMINARY PLAT INFORMATION THAT THAT'S ALSO PROVIDED WITH THE FINAL PLAT. THERE WAS A, THAT'S THE, THAT'S ONE OF THE ORDINANCES THAT CRAIG HAS ALREADY BEEN FIXING AND SUBMITTING TO BE DONE. BECAUSE THERE WAS A TYPO THAT CREATED THAT PROBLEM WHERE YOU DON'T GET TO SEE THE CONTOUR LINES RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT IS BEING ADDRESSED. AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE CONTOUR LINES WITH THAT PORTION OF THE MAPS GOING FORWARD, IF THAT HELPS. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. TODD. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, BUT IT DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION HERE. AND AGAIN, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION HERE. BUT JUST TO MAKE CLEAR, THE QUESTION HERE IS PLANNING AND ZONING. OUR COMMISSION HAS AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLATS THAT WE'RE PASSING FOLLOW CITY ORDINANCE. AND THAT'S MY QUESTION IS DO ARE WE FOLLOWING CITY ORDINANCE HERE? I'M BEING TOLD THAT THIS STUDY THAT THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT EXISTS AND THAT THE PROBLEM IT WAS ALREADY NOTED AND THAT THAT THERE'S THAT THERE IS NO THERE'S NO ORDINANCE BEING VIOLATED HERE. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN, IS, IS THERE AN ORDINANCE BEING VIOLATED HERE? BECAUSE ALL I HAVE TO GO ON NOW IS A LOT OF CONTRADICTORY INFORMATION, SO WE DO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. I AGREE WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. IT'S JUST MORE SO THE CONTRADICTORY INFORMATION. I WILL POINT OUT WHERE THEY'RE CONTRADICTORY, BECAUSE THIS IF YOU'RE A HOMEOWNER AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, [01:15:05] A FLOOD ZONE IS BEING CREATED ON YOUR PROPERTY, YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE JUST SWEEP IT ASIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT A 45 MINUTE MEETING. AND WHENEVER I WAS APPOINTED TO BE ELECTED BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO TAKE THIS POSITION, I SAID, I WILL ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS. I WILL CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO ANNOY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. AND I'M JUST FULFILLING THE OBLIGATION THAT I SAID I WAS GOING TO AGAIN, BACK TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. I AGREE WITH YOU. I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE WERE FOLLOWING THE ORDINANCES THAT ARE IN PLACE BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT'S NOT SUBMITTED HERE. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE BASED ON THE PROCESSES THAT WE WILL NOT KNOW FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS IN ANY CASE. I THINK IT'S TIME, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS SOMETHING ELSE TO BRING UP. ANOTHER NON DRAINAGE ISSUE. THE ONE THING I WANT TO DO IS JUST RECAP WHAT EXACTLY THE CONTINGENCIES ARE. FOR THIS PROPERTY, I KNOW IT WAS THE. MAYBE YOU CAN GO BACK OVER THOSE. THE CITY ATTORNEY RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ALL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING THE LIFT STATION CONTAINED IN SAID PLAT, BE CONSTRUCTED, INSPECTED, APPROVED, AND ACCEPTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE EASTRIDGE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES AND THAT THE APPLICANT SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 35, ARTICLE NINE OF THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES AND THE PLAT NOT BE RECORDED UNTIL THESE CONDITIONS ARE MET. ALSO, THE HOA SUBMITTAL. YES, THAT'S CHAPTER 35. ARTICLE NINE. OKAY. I WOULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL CONTINGENCY THAT THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS BY BOTH THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER AND THE AND THE CITY'S ENGINEER ARE SUBMITTED ALONG WITH THE FINAL PLAT FOR CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE ON. ALONG WITH AN EXPLANATION. MAYBE A PRESENTATION WOULD BE NICE TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE NOT VIOLATING CITY ORDINANCE, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THAT'S THE OBLIGATION HERE. WE CANNOT DENY A PLAT AS MOST PEOPLE SITTING HERE KNOW. HERE KNOW WE CANNOT DENY A PLAT FOR ANY REASON, BUT VIOLATING CITY ORDINANCE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DENY A PLAT FOR. AND BASICALLY, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IS THE INFORMATION WHICH SHOWS THAT THAT THAT 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN EXISTED BEFORE DEVELOPMENT. IT DIDN'T, IT DOESN'T EXIST NOW BECAUSE OF POST, BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, LEVELING THE LAND AND WHATEVER THEY'VE DONE AS PART OF DEVELOPMENT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW WHATEVER STUDIES THEY'VE DONE AS FAR AS THEIR DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT ON BOTH ENDS TO INDICATE THAT TO KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS BETWEEN THEM AND THE TRIBUTARY ARE NOT HAVING THEIR RIGHTS VIOLATED. YES, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. YEAH. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO YOUR STATEMENTS ABOUT US PROVIDING YOU CONTRADICTORY INFORMATION. THAT'S NOT BEEN THE INTENT, TENT. I DON'T HAVE A FULL. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. I DON'T HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF DRAINAGE CRITERIA AND WHAT THE CIVIL ENGINEERS YOU KNOW ARE LOOKING AT. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THEY LOOK AT WHEN THEY REVIEW PLANS, INCLUDING THE MASTER DRAINAGE STUDY, THEY LOOK AT OTHER DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS OF NEIGHBORING PROJECTS. I THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS GO INTO ACCOUNT. I KNOW THOSE REVIEWS TAKE MONTHS, AND I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE JUST TAKING OUR WORD FOR IT. AND WE WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH THOSE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM IN THE FUTURE. BUT I KNOW THEY'RE LOOKED AT. I MEAN, IT'S A LENGTHY PROCESS THAT THE ENGINEERS COULD SPEAK BETTER TO. SO, AS I SUGGESTED PREVIOUSLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE YOU SIT WITH OUR DRAINAGE ENGINEER AND THEY CAN BETTER ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. BUT THANKS. THANKS, MR. FISHER. TO PUT THIS AS SIMPLY AS I CAN. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAT HERE, THE MAP THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, ENDS AT JUST OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT. YOU CAN'T TELL WHAT'S GOING ON OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT. THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE UTILIZING TAKES THE MODELS THAT THEY'RE BUILDING TO DO THESE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS. LOOK AT WATER COMING IN AND WATER GOING OUT. THAT'S INFORMATION THAT'S VITAL TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. [01:20:01] A, YOU KNOW, FOR DECISIONS LIKE THIS. B, TO NOTIFY PROPERTY OWNERS OF IF THERE'S A NEW DISCOVERY. AND C, TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT GOING FORWARD. AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT THAT LIKE PUT IT IN A MAP LIKE MAKE A MAKE A FLOODPLAIN. SO, AND WHEN IT'S UP NOW I KNOW I'M TALKING ABOUT PROCESSES THAT WE CAN'T DECIDE HERE, BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. WHEN YOU BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT I SAID WAS CONTRADICTORY. WHAT I'M BEING TOLD IS, HEY, GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT 2018 STUDY AND BUT I'M BEING TOLD TO VOTE ON THIS BECAUSE THERE'S NEW INFORMATION THAT WE KNOW. AND I'M SAYING, OKAY, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT DON'T KNOW THIS, THAT DON'T SEE THIS? AND WHAT ABOUT IN THE FUTURE? AND WHAT ABOUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BUILT NOW LIKE THIS? YEAH, THE PROCESS NEEDS TO CHANGE. BUT THE CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS WERE TELLING ME TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE 2018 STUDY AND TELLING ME THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO. WHAT I WAS ARGUING HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PLAT WHEN IT DOES, BECAUSE OUR JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ORDINANCES ARE BEING FOLLOWED AND WE DON'T AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW, OTHER THAN Y'ALL SAYING THAT KIMLEY-HORN ON BOTH SIDES GAVE IT A THUMBS UP. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND WE'LL PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU REQUESTED, BUT I DO ALSO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE CITY'S DRAINAGE ENGINEER, CITY'S GENERAL CIVIL ENGINEER, AS WELL AS THE CITY ATTORNEY HAVE REVIEWED CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS AND AS WELL AS DRAINAGE STUDY AND DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. CITY'S ENGINEERS RECOMMEND ACCEPTANCE. AND THE CITY ENGINEER, I MEAN THE CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDED THAT CONDITIONAL APPROVAL AS WELL. AND THESE ARE ALL LICENSED EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD. SO. COUNCILWOMAN TODD, DO YOU THINK CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH HEARING A PRESENTATION OR SOMETHING FROM KIMLEY-HORN WITH BOTH SIDES? I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHO WOULD GIVE IT, BUT INDICATING THAT THAT THEIR DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT IS, IS CORRECT, ACCURATE AND DOES NOT VIOLATE PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHTS. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE CITY'S KIMLEY-HORN, NOT THE PRIVATE SIDE. THE PRIVATE SIDE HAS PROVIDED THE INFORMATION TO OUR KIMLEY-HORN. AND IF IT COMES TO A QUESTION OF OUR ORDINANCES AND THE IMPACT OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, IT WOULD BE BEST ANSWERED BY OUR ENGINEERS. AND I CAN AGAIN TELL YOU THAT I WALKED THIS PROPERTY WITH THEM. I'VE SEEN THEIR RETAINING WALLS. I'VE SEEN THEIR DETENTION POND. THEY'VE PUT A LOT INTO THIS. I'M PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THEM. AND I. AND WITH THEM PROVIDING THE OR THE CITY PROVIDING US WITH THE DRAINAGE. THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT BEFORE COUNCIL. FOR ME TO REVIEW. IF THERE ARE MORE HARD QUESTIONS TO ASK, I WILL HAPPILY BE ASKING THEM, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT MYSELF. BUT I CAN TELL YOU AT THIS TIME I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THIS COMING BEFORE COUNCIL NEXT WEEK. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE BASED OFF OF INFORMATION PRESENTED TO US ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THIS FINAL PLAT. WITH THE CONTINGENCIES NOTED FOR FP 2020-0052. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION TO PASS AND A SECOND. WHAT? THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN TODD, IS BECAUSE I WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT EXACTLY THOSE CONTINGENCIES ARE. AND I'D ASKED SPECIFICALLY, WOULD COUNCIL. I'M ASKING YOUR OPINION ON WHETHER COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CITIES OR FROM THE ENGINEER BECAUSE AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND YOU WALK THE PROPERTY AND YOU LIKED WHAT YOU SAW, BUT YOU'RE NOT AN ENGINEER. AND THE ENGINEER HIRED BY THE DEVELOPER WAS NOT ABLE TO ANSWER MY SIMPLE QUESTIONS. WHENEVER WE WHENEVER I ASK THEM WHICH IS DIRECTLY RELEVANT TO WHETHER THIS IS A VIOLATION OF CITY ORDINANCE, AND THE CITY'S ENGINEER IS NOT HERE. SO, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WALKED IT AND YOU LIKED THE WAY EVERYTHING LOOKED, BUT I'M ASKING IF, LIKE, WOULD CAN YOU ANSWER FOR COUNCIL? AS FAR AS MAKING THAT A CONTINGENCY, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ARE OPEN TO? SO WHEN I WALKED IT, I HAD BOTH ENGINEER TEAMS OUT THERE WITH ME. I BELIEVE THAT ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, SHE CAN ONLY ANSWER WITHIN THOSE BOUNDS. [01:25:04] SHE CAN'T ANSWER OUTSIDE OF THOSE BOUNDS. SO, I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE FOR OUR KIMLEY-HORN TO BE AT THE MEETING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT PAST THAT, BECAUSE THOSE ARE QUESTIONS ONLY THEY CAN ANSWER. BUT AND SO I WOULD HAPPILY ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME AND ANSWER QUESTIONS OR IF THEY CAN PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME AND MEET WITH US. THAT WOULD BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. I CAN REACH OUT TO THE MAYOR AND TALK WITH HIM ABOUT THE AGENDA AND WHAT ALL IS ON THERE FOR NEXT WEEK. BUT AT THIS TIME, I WOULD SAY ON THE PRIVATE SIDE, SHE CAN'T ANSWER FURTHER. AND SHE CAN'T ANSWER FOR THE ORDINANCES OUTSIDE OF THOSE BOUNDS. ONLY OUR KIMLEY-HORN CAN SO ARE YOU, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT, THAT YOU CANNOT ANSWER AS TO WHETHER YOUR DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT WILL CAUSE WILL VIOLATE CITY ORDINANCE BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT, RIGHT? OUR DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT DOES NOT VIOLATE CITY ORDINANCE. IT HAS BEEN APPROVED. IT IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH ALL OF THE ORDINANCE THAT THE CITY HAS. WE DON'T HAVE ADVERSE IMPACTS DOWNSTREAM OF US, WHICH IS ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS FOR THAT TO BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL ALSO. AND WHILE I DO AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN TODD, THAT MAYBE IT'S BEST THAT THE CITY'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. I'M KIND OF JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME CLARITY HERE THAT THAT THEY'RE BOTH ENGINEERING TEAMS ARE ANSWERING THE SAME QUESTION, WHICH IS, IS CITY ORDINANCE BEING VIOLATED HERE? DO THE MODELS SHOW THAT PRE-DEVELOPMENT AND POST-DEVELOPMENT WATER FLOW RATES ARE THE SAME? WE ARE HAPPY TO BE PRESENT AS THE PRIVATE ENGINEERS TO SPEAK ON THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME OTHER PROCESS BASED ITEMS REGARDING A CITY MODEL, AND WE CAN'T SPEAK TO THE OVERALL CITY MODEL, BUT WE DO HAVE MODELS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE PROVIDED WITH THAT APPROVED DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO BE PRESENT TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAS AND SPEAK ON THOSE ITEMS. ON BEHALF OF OUR CLIENT. I'M FINE WITH WHOEVER IS SPEAKING AS LONG AS IT, AS LONG AS THE INFORMATION IS, THE ISSUE IS ADDRESSED, AND THE INFORMATION IS PRESENTED. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ISSUE IS CLEAR BECAUSE IT SOUNDS THE WAY I HEARD COUNCILWOMAN TODD. IT SOUNDED LIKE SHE WAS DID NOT THINK THAT YOU GUYS WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE. IF THERE WAS DAMAGE OR SOMETHING, WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THEM. BUT HER LIMITATIONS TO ANSWERING TO PROPERTIES IS STUCK WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE PROPERTY. SHE WAS HIRED FOR AS SOON AS YOU CROSS THOSE BOUNDARIES, THAT'S WHEN OUR KIMLEY-HORN TEAM HAS TO ANSWER SO SHE CAN ANSWER ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL WE GET TO THE BOUNDARY LINES. BUT ANYTHING PAST THAT FOR DEFINITIVE ANSWERS WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM OUR KIMLEY-HORN. BUT FROM WHAT I'M GATHERING, BASED ON THEIR DATA, THEIR RESEARCH, THERE IS NO ADVERSE EFFECT. AND WHEN THEY SUBMIT THAT OUR KIMLEY-HORN SHOULD THEN BE LOOKING AT THEIR DATA AND THEN LOOKING PAST THOSE BOUNDARY LINES TO SEE WITHIN OUR CITY THE EFFECTS THERE, AND THEN THEY WOULD COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS A PROBLEM. THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. SO FROM WHAT I'M GATHERING, EVERYTHING IS LIKE, THERE'S NO ADVERSE EFFECT. EVERYTHING IS FINE HERE. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, WE WILL NEED OUR KIMLEY-HORN TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. AND JUST TO CLARIFY ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION THERE. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DOWNSTREAM PROPERTIES AS A PART OF THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. THOSE ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS A PART OF THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. THEY ARE SHOWN ON THOSE MAPS FOR THE PRE-PROJECT FLOODPLAINS. AND IT SHOWS WHAT THOSE PRE-PROJECT FLOODPLAINS ARE. AND TO ANSWER ONE OF YOUR EARLIER QUESTIONS, IF SOMEBODY THEORETICALLY WERE TO COME BACK AND DEVELOP THOSE TRACKS AND DEVELOP THOSE LANDS THERE. EVEN IF WE WERE NEVER HERE. THEY HAVE A PRE-PROJECT FLOODPLAIN THAT THEIR DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT WOULD SHOW THE LIMITS OF THAT PRE-PROJECT FLOODPLAIN WITHIN THE CREEK BOUNDARY THERE WHERE THE WATER FLOWS. AND SO OUR, OUR POST-PROJECT FLOODPLAIN IS MEANT TO REPRESENT THAT THE MODELS, THE PRE-PROJECT FLOODPLAIN MODELS BEFORE WHERE THAT PRE-PROJECT FLOODPLAIN WOULD SIT, THAT WE MAP THAT AND THEN TO SHOW A COMPARISON OF AFTER OUR PROJECT HAS GONE ON OUR PROJECT SITE, THE FLOODPLAIN SPECIFIC TO THIS TRACT OF LAND, THE PRE-PROJECT AND POST-PROJECT, IF YOU SEE THE COMPARISON OF THEM, THEY'RE DIFFERENT, BUT IT SHOWS NO ADVERSE DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS. [01:30:04] SO, THE POST-PROJECT FLOODPLAIN IS MORE SPECIFIC TO THIS TRACT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE IMPACTS AREN'T DOWNSTREAM. THE IMPACTS ARE ON THIS TRACT, BUT IT HELPS DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TWO FLOODPLAINS SO PEOPLE CAN AS THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT, THEY CAN SEE THOSE DIFFERENCES ON THE TRACT. RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU GUYS AND THE CITY ENGINEERS DO THE SAME WORK IF IT MATCHES. THEY WE DO DIFFERENT DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT AND THESE TRIBUTARIES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY HAS. MODEL WISE. RIGHT. SO, BUT WE CAN SPEAK AT CITY COUNCIL TO THE TRIBUTARY. IT LIKE IDEA IS BETWEEN YOU AND THE TRIBUTARY. YOUR MODEL NEEDS TO ANSWER FOR THAT. IS THE IS IT THE WATER GOING OFF OF YOUR PROPERTY? HEY, LET ME INTERJECT. I'M SORRY. I KNOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS. THIS SEEMS LIKE A PROCESS THING. WE NEED TO KIND OF DISCUSS IF WE CAN ADD IT TO ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM. I THINK WE SHOULD. THERE'S STILL A VOTE. WE NEED TO CLOSE OUT ON THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. I AGREE. I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE REASON THAT I'M TRYING TO REPEAT THIS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF. EXPECTATION OF WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL. IN ANY CASE. WE CAN PUT A PIN IN THAT. AND IF I NEED TO SPEAK WITH THE MAYOR OR COUNCIL OR WHATEVER. ABOUT THAT, I CAN BUT IN ANY CASE, ALL THE CONTINGENCIES NOTED. WE ALREADY HAVE A. FIRST AND A SECOND FOR THAT. AND WE CAN GO ON TO VOTING UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? NO. YOU CAN GO AND OPEN A VOTE. OKAY. I GUESS THIS IS ALREADY THE VOTE. I WILL ABSTAIN FOR THE PURPOSE OF NOT HAVING ALL THE INFORMATION. SO, THE VOTE, THE PLAT PASSES 3 TO 0. THAT'S AGENDA ITEM F.3. NOW WE CAN GO BACK TO I'M SORRY F.2. APOLOGIES, I DID SKIP ONE. THAT'S IT FOR AGENDA F.2. I'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM F.3. PRELIMINARY PLAT, WINDMORE PHASE SEVEN DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AND RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST FROM GRB EDGEWOOD, LLC FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A PROPERTY BEING A 27.446 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN THE SERRA DE TERRY SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 890 AND WILLIAM D THOMPSON SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 892. CITY OF PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS. THIS REQUEST IS FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL OF A ROUGHLY 2727 ACRE TRACT OFF OF SOUTH BEACH AND BOULEVARD AND COUNTY ROAD 398. THIS PROJECT WAS IN PROGRESS PRIOR TO THE RESIDENTIAL MORATORIUM. THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT CONSISTS OF 130 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND NINE OPEN SPACE LOTS. THE REASON THIS, THE REASON THIS PLAT IS APPEARING BEFORE YOU, IS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED FROM PD 33 TO PD 33A, WHICH CHANGED THE PROPERTY FROM BUILD TO RENT TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND CUT DOWN ON THE AMOUNT OF LOTS BY 95, WHICH SIGNIFICANTLY DEVIATED FROM THE ORIGINAL WINDMORE PRELIMINARY PLAT. THIS ZONING CHANGE WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 28TH. CITY STAFF AND ENGINEERS HAVE REVIEWED THIS SUBMITTAL, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE DEVELOPERS HERE AS WELL. MR. FISHER. I JUST DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATED PLAT APPLICATIONS COVERING ALL THE ITEMS AS REQUESTED PREVIOUSLY. AND THEN I DO HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE PLAN, RIGHT? AND MAYBE I'M JUST NOT FULLY SEEING IT. PAGE 11. IT MAY SOUND LIKE A SILLY QUESTION, BUT ARE THERE NO SIDEWALKS ON LOW SKY CROSSING? SO THAT IS THE PAGE THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN NOW THAT SHOWS DEVELOPER BUILT SIDEWALKS. SO THOSE ARE SIDEWALKS THAT THE DEVELOPER WILL BUILD AND THEN INDIVIDUAL THE HOMES. WHEN THOSE ARE BUILT, THE HOME BUILDER WILL BE REQUIRED TO BUILD SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF EACH PROPERTY. [01:35:03] SO THIS JUST SHOWS THE DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBILITY. AND THEN THE HOME BUILDER WILL BUILD THE REST OF THE SIDEWALKS. ALL PUBLIC STREETS WILL HAVE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION, PAGE 13. IT SAYS PROPOSED COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT. THAT'S FINE. WHAT IS THE CROSS STREET? I KNOW SOUTH BEACH BOULEVARD, BUT WHAT IS THE CROSS STREET ON THAT CORNER? DO YOU KNOW COUNTY ROAD 398? THAT COMMERCIAL TRACT IS NOT PART OF THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT, BUT IT'S JUST SHOWN AS A REFERENCE HERE AS AN ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT'S AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH BEECHAM AND 398. OKAY. THANK YOU. NO, I KNEW IT WASN'T PART OF IT. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THE CROSS STREET, PLEASE. THANK YOU. IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ITEM F THREE PL 20220618. PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR ONE MORE PHASE SEVEN. I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL PLAT. ITEM F.3. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BEGIN THE VOTING. ITEM F.3 PASSES 4 TO 0. REGARDING ITEM F.4, I'M GOING TO STRIKE THAT FROM THE AGENDA. I THINK THE MEETING IS LONG ENOUGH, BUT I DID NOTE WHEN ON THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM D.2 WHERE THIS IS, IS NECESSARY. AND I DO THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER GOING FORWARD. OBVIOUSLY, WE DO HAVE SOME CURRENT ATTENDANCE ISSUES, BUT BASICALLY MY CONCERN IS DO WE NEED TO DO WE NEED TO HAVE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS SO THAT IF AN ISSUE COMES UP, WE WE NEED TO PUSH IT TO A DIFFERENT MEETING. BUT WHEREAS RIGHT NOW THAT ONE IS SIX DAYS AHEAD OF US, SO WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. IN ANY CASE, I DON'T WANT TO GO ANY FURTHER THAN THAT. SO, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND STRIKE THAT FROM THE AGENDA FOR THIS WEEK. AND I'LL CIRCLE UP WITH MR. FISHER AS FAR AS WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE. WHICH WOULD LEAD THE LAST AGENDA ITEM TO BE ITEM. WHICH ONE IS IT? ITEM F ONE. YOU PUSHED TO THE END OF THE REGULAR AGENDA. THE P&Z SOCIAL MEDIA ETIQUETTE TRAINING. ITEM F ONE DISCUSSION AND TRAINING REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA ETIQUETTE. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AARON MOODY, DIRECTOR OF MARKETING AND COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE CITY. IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. I'M JUST GOING TO PRESENT A BRIEF PRESENTATION. IT'S MUCH LIKE THE ONE I DID FOR THE CITY COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY. AND IT IS PART OF OUR CITY'S ONGOING MISSION TO HELP BETTER PREPARE OUR VOLUNTEERS ON OUR COMMISSION'S COMMITTEES, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL BOARDS, ALL OF THAT. SO, IN ADDITION TO SOME OTHER TRAINING, I AM VISITING THE DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS THROUGHOUT THE NEXT FEW MONTHS TO TALK ABOUT ENGAGEMENT, SOCIAL MEDIA BASICS AND JUST COMMUNICATION IN GENERAL. SO, LIKE I SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE A BRIEF PRESENTATION. THE FIRST THE FIRST SLIDE I HAVE IS JUST TALKING ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA AND WHAT IT IS. I KNOW A LOT OF YOU ARE ACTIVE ON FACEBOOK. I KNOW A LOT OF YOU SHARE STUFF FOR THE CITY. I KNOW MISS CRUM IS EXCELLENT AT HELPING US GET THE WORD OUT ON THINGS. SO SOCIAL MEDIA IS JUST ELECTRONIC PLATFORMS, ONLINE COMMUNITIES IN WHICH YOU CAN SHARE INFORMATION, IDEAS, MESSAGES AND OTHER CONTENT. EXAMPLES THAT WE USE INCLUDE FACEBOOK, TWITTER, WHICH IS NOW INSTAGRAM, YOUTUBE AND NEXT DOOR. LIKE MANY GOVERNMENTS, WE LEVERAGE THE USE OF SOCIAL MEDIA TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS, [01:40:03] FROM EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION TO YOUR AGENDAS AND MEETING TIMES TO EVENTS AND COUNCIL DECISIONS. SO WHILE COMMUNICATION IS GREAT VIA THESE PLATFORMS, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KEEP SOME THINGS IN MIND. YOU GUYS ARE NOT ELECTED, BUT YOU ARE APPOINTED. SO IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF THE CITY'S CURRENT SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY REGARDING HOW STAKEHOLDERS CAN USE IT. AND JUST LIKE OTHERS WHO ENGAGE WITH THE CITY ON SOCIAL MEDIA SO YOU CAN FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THE ORDINANCE AT THE AT THIS LINK IN THE SECOND TO LAST POINT. AND THEN THE POLICY ALSO EXPLAINS GUIDELINES FOR HOW WE USE SOCIAL MEDIA AND HOW IT CAN BE A RESOURCE FOR STAFF AND ALSO APPOINTED AND ELECTED OFFICIALS. OH, CAN YOU ADVANCE MY SLIDE? OKAY, PERFECT. HERE'S SOME BASIC TIPS ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA. BE HONEST IS THE BIG ONE. IF YOU MAKE A MISTAKE, BE OPEN AND ADMIT IT. THE PUBLIC WILL CATCH IT. EVEN TYPOS. AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE WHEN SOMEBODY CAN HELP ME OUT, LIKE, OH, I MISSED THAT WHEN I WAS GETTING READY TO POST IT, BUT OR THE LINK DIDN'T WORK. AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE HEARING THAT. SO I CAN GET IT FIXED QUICKLY. BE RESPONSIBLE. MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AVOIDS CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND IT MAINTAINS CONFIDENTIALITY WHEN NECESSARY. I KNOW A LOT OF PLANS COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION, AND I KNOW SOME THINGS CAN BE SHARED AND SOME THINGS CANNOT BE SHARED REGARDING DEVELOPMENTS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EXECUTIVE MEETINGS. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THOSE GUIDELINES. BE RESPECTFUL. THIS IS A BIG ONE. PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAY, AND THEY CAN TAKE A SCREENSHOT FASTER THAN YOU CAN TAKE SOMETHING DOWN. SO, MY RECOMMENDATION IS AVOID HEATED DEBATES, NAME CALLING, BERATING, DISRESPECTFUL COMMENTS, PERSONAL ATTACKS, AND AGGRESSIVE LANGUAGE. BE INVOLVED. I SEE SOME OF YOU OUT THERE ANSWERING QUESTIONS, PARTICULARLY REGARDING DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS AND HELPING CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION THAT MIGHT BE ON SOCIAL MEDIA. SO, I DO APPRECIATE THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AVOID THE ARGUMENT WITH PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO ARGUE ON SOCIAL MEDIA. AND, BUT DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE FEEDBACK AND GATHER OPINIONS ON HOW WE CAN DO THINGS BETTER HOW WE CAN HELP YOU GUYS AND WHAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW. I MONITOR SOCIAL MEDIA. I FEEL LIKE 24 OVER SEVEN AND I TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT I ALWAYS LIKE WHEN PEOPLE CAN CHIME IN, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. BE AWARE THAT YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS ARE SUBJECT TO OPEN RECORDS REQUESTS AND BE TRANSPARENT. JUST BE HONEST. LIKE I SAID EARLIER. YOUR WORK IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR MAY BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE COMING UP AGAINST AND, FOR EXAMPLE, LANDSCAPING, IF YOU GOT TO APPROVE SOMETHING LANDSCAPING WISE, YOU MAY HAVE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS A CONFLICT OR MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF WHAT YOU DO. AND THEN JUST BE CLEAR ABOUT WHY YOU SUPPORT CERTAIN POLICIES. AND THEN POST THINGS ACCURATELY AND TIMELY. CAN YOU EVEN. THANK YOU. SOME MORE TIPS AND I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM. BUT JUST BE CAREFUL ABOUT BEING TRANSPARENT SO YOU DON'T VIOLATE LEGAL GUIDELINES. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, YOU CAN ALWAYS ASK GRANT OR MYSELF ABOUT DISCLOSING INFORMATION OR ANY INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS OF THE CITY. DON'T FORGET THAT PUBLISHED CONTENT IS PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE. IT'S HARD TO RETRACT, AND IT'S AVAILABLE FOR A LONG TIME. THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE WRITING, AND BE AWARE THAT YOUR ACCOUNTS AND POSTED CONTENT POSTED TO THOSE PLATFORMS CAN ALSO BE SUBJECT TO OPEN RECORDS. BE EDUCATED. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, LET US KNOW. AND ALSO, IF YOU IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S NECESSARY TO STATE YOUR POSITION AS A COMMISSIONER, YOU CAN SAY, THIS IS MY OPINION AS A COMMISSIONER. AND IT KIND OF IS TRANSPARENT AND IT SHOWS THAT YOU ARE YOU ARE REALLY INTERESTED AND YOU WANT TO SHARE THE THINGS, BUT YOU WANT TO SHARE IT IN THE PROPER WAY. BE CONVERSATIONAL. ADDRESS YOUR READERS AS YOU WOULD PEOPLE IN PUBLIC. THINK ABOUT YOUR TONE. THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY. AGAIN, ENCOURAGE RESPONSE AND COMMENTS. AND I LOOK AT COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK, AND I LEARN A LOT THROUGH WHAT I SEE ONLINE ABOUT HOW WE CAN IMPROVE AND DO THINGS BETTER BASED ON SUGGESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. BE EXCITED. THE CITY IS DOING A LOT OF GREAT STUFF AND WE'D LOVE TO SHARE IT, SO FEEL FREE TO SHARE FROM OUR CITY SOURCES. OUR MAIN ACCOUNTS OR ANY SUB ACCOUNT. I LIKE WHEN YOU SHARE IT, BECAUSE IT GETS PEOPLE TO COME BACK TO OUR ORIGINAL PAGE AND FURTHERS OUR EFFORTS TO INCREASE OUR CREDIBILITY. AND AGAIN, BE RESPONSIBLE, WHICH YOU WRITE IS ULTIMATELY YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. IF YOU THINK IT COULD CAUSE AN ISSUE OR MIGHT BE OFFENSIVE, PAUSE. AND IF YOU'RE STILL UNSURE, ASK ME OR ASK MR. LOWRY. MR. LOWRY HAS INCLUDED THESE SLIDES REGARDING LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS AND THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. SO BE ADVISED THAT DISCUSSION QUESTION ON A SOCIAL MEDIA POST WITH A QUORUM OF THIS COMMISSION CAN [01:45:03] VIOLATE THE LAW AND VIOLATE THE TEXAS OPEN MEETING ACT. IT'S A WALKING QUORUM AND IT'S SUBJECT TO ALL REQUIREMENTS. PUBLIC INFORMATION MEANS ANY INFORMATION WRITTEN, PRODUCED, COLLECTED, ASSEMBLED OR MAINTAINED IN CONNECTION WITH OUR OFFICIAL BUSINESS BY ANY OFFICIAL OR EMPLOYEE OF THE GOVERNMENT BODY. SO, AS APPOINTED, YOU ARE OFFICIALS IN THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY AND HOW INFORMATION PERTAINS TO BUSINESS. SO, AND IT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAY THINGS ON, IT'S WHAT YOU SAY. SO, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN CONSIDERING PUBLIC INFORMATION, PEOPLE THINK THAT IF I SAY IT OVER HERE ON FACEBOOK, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN MY PA'S EMAIL OR COUNCIL EMAIL. NO, IT'S NOT WHERE YOU SAY IT. IT'S WHAT YOU SAY IF IT PERTAINS TO OFFICIAL CITY BUSINESS. AND THEN HERE'S SOME OF OUR FACEBOOK OR OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL. THEY'RE ALL I CAN SAY. THEY'RE ALL FANTASTICALLY RUN. BUT WE'D LOVE TO SHARE. SO, ANYTHING YOU GUYS WANT TO SHARE, PLEASE LET US KNOW. ONE THING I AM TRYING TO BE MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT IS SHARING COUNCIL DECISIONS AND HOW THEY IMPACT OUR RESIDENTS IN REGARD TO THE STRATEGIC GOALS THAT THE COUNCIL SET FORTH IN 2024. ADDITIONALLY, I LOOK AT YOUR AGENDA AND SEE IF FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU APPROVED A LARGE, YOU KNOW, PROJECT, WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN FOR OUR RESIDENTS AS WELL? SO THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION, AND I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS I HAVE. FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU ARE YOUR POSTS ARE GREAT, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE ARCADIA FARMS GROUPS. NOT YET, NOT YET. REACH OUT. BUT EVERY POST THAT YOU DO, I DO POST POSTS WITH ARCADIA FARMS, AND THEY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THE ONE THING AND I NOTICED IT'S BECOME VERY POPULAR RECENTLY IS THE CITY OF PRINCETON APP. LOVE THE APP. IT'S GREAT. THE ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO ASK IS IN THE CALENDAR AND EVENTS. I WENT THERE TODAY BECAUSE TO BE HONEST, I WASN'T SURE WHEN THE EARTH DAY EVENT IS. SO, I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE THE CALENDAR AND EVENTS WITH ACTUAL UPCOMING EVENTS. SO THAT APPLICATION IS SUPPOSED TO INTERFACE WITH OUR EXISTING WEBSITE, AND THE CALENDAR SHOULD TALK TO THE APPLICATION. AND AS WE ADD THINGS, IT SHOULD POPULATE. BUT I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I GET THAT RESOLVED WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES. THANK YOU. SURE. AND IF YOU AND IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT THE APP, I WOULD LOVE THAT. OUR GOAL IS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF USERS THAT WE HAVE ON THIS APP. YEAH, IT'S A GREAT APP AND I'VE LED A LOT OF OUR HOMEOWNERS KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MISS ELLIS. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. THANKS, ERIN. THANK YOU. ERIN. COMMISSIONER HISS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR MAYBE EITHER FUTURE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, [G. INFORMATION] OR MAYBE WE CAN DO A WORK SESSION. MAYBE. AND MAYBE THERE'S MORE. MR. FISHER, WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE COMMISSIONERS AND YOURSELF ON ITEMS THAT WE MIGHT. OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SITTING OVER THERE. SORRY. BUT A WORK SESSION OR AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA. WHAT ITEMS WE FEEL AS COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO PUT INTO THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE REVIEW, IF WE COULD MAYBE HAVE THAT AS A TOPIC. AND SINCE IT'S BEEN SUCH A DISCUSSION RECENTLY, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE THE CITY SIDE KIMLEY-HORN AND MAYBE EVEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PRIVATE SIDE, DO OUR PUBLIC SIDE, DO A PRESENTATION FROM THE ENGINEERS ON WHAT THEY REVIEW. SO, ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. NOTED. YES. THANK YOU. WE CAN PUT THOSE ON TO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS OR FUTURE AGENDAS. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I WILL ALSO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT'S DUE AND THAT I HAVE BROUGHT UP ISSUES ALONG WITH OTHERS TO [01:50:07] MR. FISHER AND THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. AND A LOT OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE SEEN HAVE BEEN DIRECTLY IN RESPONSE TO THAT. SO, JUST NOTING THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HAVING A QUORUM BETWEEN OURSELVES. BUT I FOUND THAT COMMUNICATING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT DIRECTLY HAS HELPED A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. AND B, THANKS, GUYS. YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT YOUR PROCESSES ARE. AND EVERYTHING'S CONSTANTLY GETTING BETTER DAY BY DAY. THANK YOU. I DID WANT TO NOTE. SO WE USED TO HAVE ON THE AGENDA THE LAST ITEM ON THERE USED TO BE WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL ITEM THAT YOU WANT TO ADD FOR DISCUSSION LIKE THEY DO AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. AND AGAIN, WE USED TO HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA HERE. CAN WE PUT THAT BACK ON THERE? I THINK IT'S A SENSIBLE THING TO ADD ON TO THE AGENDA. YES, WE CAN DO THAT. AND YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ME ASK A QUESTION. I'VE ASKED YOU A FEW TIMES NOW. AS FAR AS THE PRELIMINARY PLATS, THE GETTING GIS LAYERS FOR THEM SO THAT THEY CAN BE PLOTTED AVAILABLE PUBLICLY. I KNOW THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT TYLER OUR GIS GUY IS NO LONGER IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. I'M SURE THAT THERE'S A. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THAT HAPPENED. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME, BUT I'M SURE THAT THERE'S A WRENCH IN GETTING THESE TYPES OF THINGS DONE, BUT I HAD MENTIONED THAT LIKE, HEY, MAYBE CHANGING THE PROCESS TO WHERE THE DEVELOPERS, AS PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S REQUIRED TO TURN IN A GIS DATA LIKE SHAPEFILES OR, OR GEODATABASES. IT IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW OTHER STATE AGENCIES AT LEAST DO FOR PERMITTING THAT WAY THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO US SO THAT WE COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT OBVIOUSLY, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE MAPS, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT MORE THAN JUST WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT THERE WITH THE PLAT IS WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND IT, WHICH IS A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I BROUGHT UP TONIGHT HAD TO DO WITH THAT, BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO MAKE THAT MAP MYSELF. AND IN DOING SO WAS A LOT MORE WORK. WHEREAS IF WE JUST HAVE THE DEVELOPERS TURN IN A SHAPE FILE, WHICH YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO END UP MAKING ANYWAY, TO GO ON THE GIS DATABASE BASICALLY JUST MAKES MORE SENSE. IT'S AVAILABLE FOR US WHERE THOSE WHERE THESE PROPERTIES ARE INSTEAD OF WAITING. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE OUR GIS GUY DO IT. THAT'S GOING TO BE A WORK SESSION ITEM TO TALK MORE IN DEPTH ON TO GET THE INFORMATION. SO, I THINK THAT MAXINE'S IDEA OF PUTTING A WORK SESSION TOGETHER WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO THOSE DETAILS AND DISCUSS THOSE THINGS. AT THAT TIME, MR. FISHER ALREADY SAID THAT HE CAN JUST CHANGE THE REQUIREMENTS, AND IT'S NOT NOBODY NEEDS TO VOTE ON IT. I WAS JUST IT WAS JUST A REMINDER. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER. AND ONE OTHER ITEM. MR. FISHER. YOU KNOW HOW, LIKE ON THE CITY COUNCIL, THEY PUT, LIKE, THE REPORT AGENDA, AND THEN THEY PUT THE, LIKE, NEXT MEETINGS. COULD WE MAYBE ADD THAT TO OUR AGENDA? I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO KNOW WHAT'S UP AND COMING FOR THOSE OF US THAT MIGHT WANT TO ATTEND AND NOT. THE MAYOR HAS SENT OUT A COMMUNICATION AMONGST THE CITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE STREAMLINING THAT SORT OF INFORMATION AMONGST ALL BOARDS AND COUNCIL SO THAT THINGS ARE SIMILARLY ALIGNED IN THAT AREA. AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. NORMALLY THERE'S A NOTE ON HERE OF THE NEXT, I GUESS IT WAS LEFT OFF. NORMALLY IT'S A NOTE ON HERE WHEN THE NEXT MEETING DATE IS. MAYBE SOMEBODY CAN REMIND ME OF THAT, BUT OTHERWISE, WE CAN TAKE A VOTE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. THE NEXT MEETING IS MAY 19TH. OKAY. THAT WILL CONCLUDE TONIGHT'S MEETING, APRIL 21ST. [01:55:01] AND NEXT MEETING WILL BE MAY 19TH. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PROPOSE A MOTION TO IN THE MEETING TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. SORRY. ADJOURNMENT. I SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY, WE'LL GO AND TAKE A VOTE. I GOT THREE SOMEBODY. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE TOUCHY. OKAY. MOTION PASSES, 4 TO 0. MEETING ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.