Jun 03, 2025 Community Development Corporation

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

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ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

TIME IS 602. THIS IS THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING FOR TUESDAY, JUNE THE 3RD.

AND GO AHEAD AND DO A QUICK ROLL CALL.

I, JEFF WATSON, MYSELF.

I'M HERE. MR. EVANS SHOULD BE HERE SHORTLY.

MISS NED HERE. MISS PETTIS IS OUT SICK.

WE HOPE THAT SHE STARTS FEELING BETTER SOON.

MISTER THORNTON HERE, MISTER ASHE HERE, AND MISS SAMUEL PRESENT.

AWESOME. MR. ASH, WOULD YOU MIND LEADING US AN INVOCATION? ABSOLUTELY. FATHER GOD, WE COME TO YOU TONIGHT.

WE ASK FOR YOUR BLESSINGS, TO GUIDE US, TO DO OUR BEST WORK FOR THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS OF PRINCETON.

HELP US COME TOGETHER AS A BODY TO DO THE BEST WORK WE CAN POSSIBLE TO BETTER THE FUTURE OF OUR PEOPLE AND OUR CITIZENS, AND WE DO ALL IN THE GLORY OF YOUR NAME.

AMEN. AMEN. AMEN. ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL DO THE. EVERYBODY WILL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

ALL RIGHT. AND NEXT ITEM WE WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC APPEARANCE.

[E. PUBLIC APPEARANCE]

THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IS UNABLE TO RESPOND OR TO DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP DURING THE SECTION THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC INQUIRY OR TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO ANY INQUIRY.

AND I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT MR. KEN SELIGMAN. GOOD EVENING SIR.

THANKS FOR JOINING US. SIR.

TOM. CHAIRMAN. BOARD MEMBERS.

SO I'M HERE TO REQUEST WITH REGARD TO THE FORENSIC AUDIT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING AND DECIDING ON, I GUESS TONIGHT THAT YOU PROCEED WITH HAVING THE AUDIT DONE.

THERE'S BEEN A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT FOR FOR A LONG TIME.

EVER SINCE. SO MUCH MONEY WAS SPENT ON THE PROJECT.

BEEN. AND IT WAS CLOSED.

YEAH. IT DID NOT EVEN AFTER SPENDING OVER $1 MILLION ON IT.

IT STILL DIDN'T EVEN MEET CODE, AND STILL NEEDED A GREAT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE SPENT ON IT. SO AT A MINIMUM, IT WAS THERE WAS A HIGH LEVEL OF MISMANAGEMENT OF THE PROJECT.

SOME OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TRIED TO DISCERN THE, THE HOW THE FINANCES WERE HANDLED, AND THEY REPORTED THAT THEY COULDN'T THEY COULDN'T TRACK ALL THE MONEY THAT THERE WERE PAYMENTS MADE WITH NO ASSOCIATED INVOICES AND THAT THEY COULDN'T EXPLAIN HOW HOW THE MONIES WERE SPENT.

THERE'S IN GENERAL, THE THE CITY HAS, HAS FAILED THE RESIDENTS TRUST ON MULTIPLE ISSUES OVER THE, OVER THE RECENT YEARS.

AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR NO MATTER WHAT THE OUTCOME OF IT IS TO PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT AND ALLOW TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY ON THE PROJECT AND AND GET IT DONE AND WHATEVER THE RESULTS ARE.

DEAL WITH THEM. AND I THINK THAT WE, ALL OF US, THE COMMUNITY, WOULD BE A LOT BETTER OFF FOR IT, ESPECIALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE PROJECT OF, OF HAVING SUCH, SUCH MISMANAGEMENT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE SYSTEMS INSTALLED TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE MAY HAVE ONE MORE.

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IS IT HIS? I APOLOGIZE.

THAT'S IT. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT SHORT AND SWEET.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU GUYS HAVE THE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

THE THE POTENTIAL FINANCIAL AUDIT.

I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THAT.

I KNOW IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THAT THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, CONTEST OVER WHETHER IT'S NECESSARY WHETHER IT'S WASTE TAX DOLLARS, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE WAY I VIEW IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME IS THE BUCK STOPS HERE ATTITUDE WHEN IT COMES TO ANYBODY IN LEADERSHIP. I TRY TO KEEP THAT ATTITUDE MYSELF. AND, YOU KNOW, BEING IN YOUR POSITION, YOU HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH, DIFFICULT DECISIONS.

AND THE IDEA THAT THAT THE TAXPAYERS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS ARE FUNDED.

YOU KNOW, WITH OUR MONEY.

THE IDEA THAT YOU MAY BE SPENDING MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT'S THAT THAT MAY NOT BE USEFUL, BUT AT THE VERY IN THE, IN THE END THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THERE'S THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF TRUST.

IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF THERE'S TAX DOLLARS THAT GO UNSPENT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ULTIMATELY GET BACK.

WE CAN GET BACK TO THE PROJECTS THAT THOSE WOULD BE DESIGNATED TOWARD WHEN THERE'S A LOSS OF TRUST, SOMETHING THAT'S A LOT MORE DIFFICULT TO GET BACK.

IT TAKES A LOT MORE TIME TO GET BACK.

SO THE POTENTIAL OF ACTUALLY LEARNING SOMETHING FROM IT YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE VALUABLE. THE POTENTIAL OF OF THERE BEING ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY THAT COULD BE VALUABLE.

ON THE OTHER END. WE DON'T LEARN ANYTHING AT THE VERY LEAST.

WE'RE BEING RESPONSIBLE LEADERS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T LOSE ANY TRUST AND KEEP THAT TRUST. THAT IS THE MOST DIFFICULT THING TO GET BACK.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WANT TO AND THANK YOU BOTH FOR COMING IN AND SPEAKING THIS EVENING VERY MUCH. ONCE. ALSO, JUST REAL QUICK NOTE THE TIME 608.

AND MR. EVANS HAS JOINED US AT THE DIOCESE HERE.

ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO OTHER PUBLIC APPEARANCE FOLKS OUT THERE, THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM F, PUBLIC REPORT ITEMS.

[F. PUBLIC REPORT ITEMS]

WE'RE GOING TO MAKE I THINK WE'LL HAVE SOME CONVERSATION AROUND THAT TONIGHT AND THEN HAVE THAT SET BEFORE WE LEAVE.

WE WILL. AND IT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT AFTER WE CREATED THE AGENDA.

BUT THE EDC HAS OFFICIALLY MOVED THEIR MEETINGS TO THE THIRD TUESDAY OF EACH MONTH, SO THAT'S NO LONGER TO BE DETERMINED.

IT'LL BE JULY 15TH. OKAY.

SO NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULE PDC MEETING WILL BE 15TH JULY, WHICH IS A TUESDAY. CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS COMING UP MONDAY, JUNE 9TH AND MONDAY, JUNE 23RD AT 6:30 P.M..

AND THEN ALSO THE FREEDOM AND FIREWORKS WILL BE SATURDAY, JUNE 28TH FROM 6 P.M. UNTIL 10 P.M.

AT JM CALDWELL PARK. HAVE THEY ANNOUNCED YET WHO'S HEADLINING THAT EVENT? WE USUALLY GET SOME PRETTY DECENT TALENT UP THERE.

NO. OKAY. THEY HAVE NOT.

JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, OR IF YOU CAN MAYBE SHARE SOME INSIGHT WITH US IF YOU KNOW. WINK WINK.

NUDGE NUDGE. OKAY. LET ME SEE HERE.

[G. STAFF REPORT ITEMS]

BUT FOR THE PUBLIC CENSUSES TAPED, I WILL JUST BRIEFLY GO OVER.

YOU'VE SEEN OUR SALES TAX REPORT FOR THE MONTH.

WE WERE UP 26% OVER THE SAME MONTH.

PREVIOUS YEAR BRINGS US UP 13% YEAR TO DATE.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A POSITIVE SIGN.

WE'RE SIX MONTHS THROUGH THE YEAR, CHIEF.

THE OTHER REPORT THAT WE'VE ADDED THAT WE DIDN'T USED TO ADD, THAT I THINK WILL BE HELPFUL FOR YOU ALL, REALLY TO HELP KIND OF FRAME HOW YOU THINK ABOUT THINGS AS OUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT REPORT.

AGAIN, I BELIEVE YOU'VE SEEN THIS PARTICULAR REPORT.

IT INCLUDES PRINCETON, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES A NUMBER OF SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT TO BE RIGHT AT 2000 RESIDENTIAL

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SOME VERY GOOD NEWS I RECEIVED, ACTUALLY, JUST TODAY FROM THE CHAMBER OF.

THEY'VE NOW TIED DOWN SIX PARTICIPATING BUSINESSES THAT ARE INTERESTED IN HOSTING THESE STUDENTS AS AN APPRENTICE THIS SUMMER.

ONCE WE GET THE FUNDING OFFICIALLY APPROVED ON MONDAY, AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY.

GRANT, DO YOU HAVE A I HATE TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT I'M GOING TO BECAUSE I GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA TIMING ON ANY AGREEMENTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER FOR THE APPRENTICESHIP? SURE.

SO, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY A LOT A LOT DEPENDS ON COUNCIL.

I MEAN, I ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WILL APPROVE THE PROGRAM, BUT ONCE THAT HAPPENS, I THINK YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, WE COULD PROBABLY GET IT, GET EVERYTHING SIGNED, INKED AND MOVING FORWARD.

SO OBVIOUSLY FOR NEXT SUMMER, WE'LL HAVE A GOOD STARTING POINT, A GOOD TEMPLATE, SO WE CAN GET THIS START A LOT SOONER. BUT YEAH, IT SHOULD. ONCE WE GET BLESSING FROM COUNCIL, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG TO GET UP AND RUNNING AND EVERYTHING INKED. OKAY, SO FOR THE BOARD'S INFORMATION, WHAT I WILL DO, KNOWING THAT INFORMATION IS IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES.

WE WILL START PAIRING STUDENTS WITH EMPLOYERS ON THE BACK END TO BE READY, AND THEN AS SOON AS THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE READY FROM GRANT, THEN WE WILL DESIGNATE A START DATE.

AND AGAIN, THIS WILL BE REFINED AS WE GO.

BUT HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO GET A FEW OF THESE STUDENTS IN THE PROGRAM THIS SUMMER.

SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

WITH THAT ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. MR. CHAIR, ARE YOU READY FOR ME TO MOVE ON TO THE FINANCIAL REPORT? YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

ALL RIGHT. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FINANCIAL REPORT NOT A REAL HEAVY MONTH OTHER THAN DEBT SERVICE OR LARGE EXPENDITURES THIS MONTH.

WE DID TRANSFER SOME FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT MONEY FOR DEBT SERVICE.

ACTUALLY, I. LET'S SEE.

YES. THIS THIS MONTH. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, VERY SMALL EXPENDITURES.

WE STILL HAVE OVER 65% OF OUR ANNUAL BUDGET REMAINING.

WE ARE SEVEN MONTHS INTO THE YEAR.

SO WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE, AND WE ARE.

YOU KNOW, THE JOKE IS IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT THAT WHEN YOU GET DONE WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS, YOU GET A SHORT VACATION AND YOU START IT AGAIN.

WELL, WE'RE STARTING IT AGAIN TONIGHT.

WE'VE GOT TO PASS OUR BUDGET SO WE CAN PROVIDE IT TO THE CITY TO BE INCLUDED IN THEIR WORKSHOP AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

AND IT ALSO HAS TO BE APPROVED.

THE CITY HAS TO APPROVE THEIR BUDGET IN AUGUST BY LAW.

SO WE'VE GOT TO DO OURS IN JULY, I PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT BUDGET THAT I'M GOING TO BE SHARING WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT LATER AND GO THROUGH THAT, BUT THIS IS JUST THAT'S A NO ACTION THING FOR TONIGHT.

IT'S JUST A REVIEW TO GET YOUR COMMENTS.

OTHER THAN THAT, ON OUR CURRENT FINANCIALS, AGAIN ON THE YEAR TO DATE, NOTHING SIGNIFICANT. WE STILL ARE WELL WITHIN BUDGET.

AND THEN ON THE BALANCE SHEET, WE'VE GOT ABOUT $4.5 MILLION IN THE BANK.

SO AS A REMINDER TO THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, I, I DO NOT EXPECT TO SPEND EVERYTHING IN THE BUDGET. IT'S MATTER OF FACT, IN 25 YEARS, I'VE NEVER SPENT EVERYTHING IN MY BUDGET.

YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A LARGE PROJECT, WE MAY DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT ON THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS OPERATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I PLAY IT PRETTY CONSERVATIVELY.

SO WE'RE WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION.

AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SO WE'LL LOOK TO SEE AN INITIAL, I GUESS, DRAFT OF THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN FRONT OF THE CITY IN JULY FOR REVIEW.

YES, SIR. YOU'LL SEE THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE AGENDA.

OH, TONIGHT WE'LL SEE. YES. OKAY. YOU'LL SEE IT TONIGHT. OKAY.

I'LL PRESENT IT TO YOU TONIGHT, AND THEN I'LL BRING IT BACK IN JULY TO FINALIZE. I DON'T LIKE BRINGING IT TO YOU AND ASKING YOU TO APPROVE IT.

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SO YOU'LL SEE A DRAFT TONIGHT AT A LATER AGENDA ITEM.

Y'ALL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS, AND THEN I'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU IN JULY FOR APPROVAL. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR RIGHT NOW? NO. ALL RIGHT. BUT AS FAR AS THE CONSENT AGENDA, IT'S SIMPLY THE BUDGET REPORT AND THE BALANCE SHEET.

THAT'S THE FINANCIAL REPORT. THE BUDGET WILL BE LATER.

RIGHT. JUST TO BE CLEAR.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM H.

[H. BOARD REPORT ITEMS]

BOARD OF DIRECTORS REPORT ABOUT ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST IN WHICH NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANT TO? THIS SUNDAY AT THE PRINCETON CEMETERY.

THEY'RE DEDICATING HISTORICAL MARKER FOR ONE OF OUR LONG TIME AGO RESIDENTS.

THAT WAS IN THE, I THINK, SPANISH-AMERICAN WAR, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. SO I THINK IT'S SATURDAY AT 10:30 A.M..

I'D LIKE TO ATTEND. CAN YOU CAN YOU REPEAT THE TIME AND DATE? THIS SATURDAY AT 10:30 A.M..

WHO'S. WHO'S HOSTING? THAT IS THAT PART. IS THE VFW PART OF THAT OR WE'RE GOING TO BE THERE. VFW WILL, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S HOSTED BY THE CHAMBER.

I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. SO I'M NOT 100% SURE THEY HAD A FACEBOOK POST ABOUT IT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FROM A BOARD REPORT ITEMS. EVERYBODY GOOD? YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

[I. CONSENT AGENDA]

ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.

THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS SOME BOARD MEMBERS. SO REQUEST IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED IN ITS NORMAL SEQUENCE ON THE AGENDA.

EXCUSE ME. I'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

AND THAT MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

[J1. FY 2025-2026 Draft Budget Presentation of the PCDC's FY 2025-2026 draft budget. Presented by CEO Jim Wehmeier.]

MISTER CHAIR, WE YOU SKIPPED OVER PRESENTATIONS.

WE DO THE BUDGET BEFORE THAT ITEM.

I'M SORRY. I KNEW WE WERE DOING THAT.

YEAH. SO LET ME BACK UP TO J PRESENTATIONS J1 FY 20 2526 DRAFT BUDGET.

THANKS, JAN. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.

OKAY, SO THE BUDGET WE REFERRED TO TO SHAUNA, CAN YOU PUT THIS UP ON THE OVERHEAD.

IT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO READ JUST BECAUSE OF THE FORMAT.

APOLOGIES. I'M GOING TO WALK THROUGH THIS BRIEFLY.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE GREEN SECTION.

WELL, WE'LL START THE VERY TOP INCOME.

OUR ESTIMATE IS THAT WE WILL BRING IN 02,275,000 NEXT YEAR.

AGAIN, THIS IS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AND SALES TAX, ABOUT 130,000 IN INTEREST.

OUR FUND BALANCE HAS GROWN A BIT, BUT WE ALSO ANTICIPATE INTEREST RATES TO GO DOWN SOME. AND SO FINANCES BUDGETED THOSE FLAT.

ONCE YOU GET DOWN TO THE GREEN, THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE REALLY DO IN OUR BUDGET. AND HOPEFULLY AS YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU CAN APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE SLIMMED DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY FROM PREVIOUS YEARS BEFORE LAST YEAR.

I KNOW YOU ALL TOOK A BUNCH OUT.

WE'RE KEEPING IT. WE'RE KEEPING IT SHORT.

BUT I'LL START AT THE VERY TOP.

THE FIRST. NINE ITEMS ARE RELATED TO EMPLOYMENT COST.

WE JUST CARRIED OVER THE EXACT SAME NUMBER FROM LAST YEAR REMAINED FLAT.

WE DID THAT FOR BOTH BOARDS, JUST AS AN FYI.

ON THE OPERATING EXPENSES, TO REMIND YOU, PREVIOUSLY THEY WOULD, THERE WERE ABOUT 12 DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS THAT WOULD FALL UNDER OPERATING EXPENSES.

WE'VE ROLLED THOSE UP INTO THE OPERATING EXPENSE LINE ITEM.

I MEAN, SOME OF THESE LINE ITEMS HAD LIKE $200 IN THEM.

IT'S KIND OF SILLY TO BUDGET SOMETHING, IN MY OPINION, FOR $200.

SO THIS YEAR FOR OPERATIONS, IT WAS 68,000.

WE'VE LOWERED THAT TO 50,000 FOR OPERATIONS FOR EACH OF THE BOARDS I THINK WILL BE IN GOOD A GOOD PLACE THERE.

COMMUNITY CENTER PUT 50,000 IN JUST FOR COMMON MAINTENANCE REPAIRS.

IF WE NEED FFA. ONCE WE GET EVERYTHING GOING AGAIN,

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IF WE DON'T NEED IT, THAT'S FANTASTIC.

30,000 FOR LEGAL SERVICES.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE PROBABLY WON'T USE THAT MUCH, BUT I CERTAINLY, AS WE DO MORE AND MORE DEALS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE AND MORE OF THEIR TIME.

AND SO I'D RATHER BUDGET IT AND NOT USE IT THAN NEED IT AND NOT HAVE IT BUDGETED.

AND I THINK 30,000 IS FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE.

CONSULTING. WE ALSO HAVE CONSULTING AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

THAT'S FOR SURVEYORS, ENGINEERS, THINGS.

IF WE'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT AND I NEED SOMEBODY TO RUN OUT AND SURVEY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE NEED TO HAVE A BUDGET TO PAY THAT 25,000 FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR.

THE AUDIT EXPENSE IS A PASS THROUGH FROM THE CITY FOR OUR ANNUAL AUDIT.

MARKETING. WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION THIS YEAR.

THAT IS OBVIOUSLY 10% OF THE BUDGETED INCOME, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO BY LAW.

PROJECT FUNDING AND THEN ROADS, INFRASTRUCTURES AND PARKS.

THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE BIG LINE ITEMS. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE'RE DOING THE BIG PROJECTS, THE PARKS PROJECTS, THE STREETS PROJECTS.

IT'LL BE IMPACTFUL. I BELIEVE NEXT MONTH I'M GOING TO BE BRINGING YOU A STRAITS PROJECT FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

FOR THAT AMOUNT. SO THERE'S THE PROJECT FUNDING.

I WILL TELL YOU, THE $544,590.

THE REASON THAT'S AN ODD DOLLAR AMOUNT AS WE PROVIDE A BALANCED BUDGET.

AND WHEN I BUDGET ALL OF THE OTHER ITEMS, THERE WAS $44,000 LEFT OVER, AND I JUST PLUGGED IT IN TO THAT LINE ITEM BECAUSE IT'S MORE WIDELY USED FOR PROJECTS.

THAT DOESN'T GIVE ME THE AUTHORITY. JUST TO BE CLEAR, TO SPEND THAT MONEY. IT CREATES A LINE ITEM FOR ME TO BRING YOU A PROJECT.

HAVE YOU APPROVED THE FUNDING? AND THEN WE HAVE IT BUDGETED FOR THAT TO COME OUT? FOR BOTH OF THOSE LINE ITEMS. WE HAVE THREE PROGRAMS FOR SUB GRANT PROGRAM.

I BUDGETED $100,000 FOR THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM.

I WENT OUT ON A LIMB A LITTLE BIT, BUT WENT AHEAD AND BUDGETED $50,000.

HOPING THAT GETS APPROVED MONDAY.

AND THEN THE I RENAMED FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE BUDGET.

THERE WASN'T REALLY A NAME FOR THE CDC'S GRANT PROGRAM, AND I NAMED IT THE SAME AS THE PROGRAM.

I HAD, QUITE HONESTLY, IN A PREVIOUS MARKET AS A SMALL BUSINESS CATALYST GRANT. AND THAT, BY THE WAY, THAT COMMITTEE STILL NEEDS TO GET TOGETHER AND LOOK AT THE FACADE AND THE SMALL BUSINESS CATALYST GRANT PROGRAMS THAT IN THE LAST FEW ITEMS THERE'S NO FLEXIBILITY ON THOSE.

THOSE ARE OUR DEBT SERVICE.

AND THAT'S THE DEBT SCHEDULE PROVIDED US BY FINANCE.

WITH THAT, IT'S AGAIN, IT'S PRETTY SHORT, PRECISE.

I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR ANYTHING WITH THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE A GOOD TIME TO LET ME KNOW. AND I CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND BRING IT BACK NEXT MONTH. THANK YOU JIM.

APPRECIATE THE OVERVIEW. ANY QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A COUPLE BUT I'LL OPEN IT UP TO.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW THAT WE'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO ADD 10% FOR MARKETING.

DO WE EXPECT TO ACTUALLY USE THAT MUCH WITH THE MARKETING AND THE REASON IT'S IMPORTANT TO BUDGET? THAT IS THE WAY THE LAW READS.

YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BUDGET UP TO 10% IF YOU HAVE BUDGETED MARKETING FUNDS THAT ARE UNUSED FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, YOU CAN ROLL THAT OVER.

THE CITY IS LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF LARGE PROJECTS TAKING OVER SEVERAL CORE PARKS.

TAKING AN ANNEXATION, EXCUSE ME, OF SOME SHORELINE.

AND SO IF WE WERE TO DO, SAY, A LARGE WAYFINDING PROJECT WITH NEW SIGNAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE.

AND WE COULDN'T HANDLE THOSE WITH A SINGLE YEAR'S ADVERTISING BUDGET.

BUT IF WE CARRY THEM OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS, THEN WE'VE GOT FUNDING TO DO.

IF WE WANTED TO DO ANY TYPE OF REBRANDING, WE COULD DO THAT.

IF WE WANTED TO DO A SIGNAGE WAYFINDING TO TAKE YOU TO DOWNTOWN, TAKE YOU TO OUR LAKE PARKS, TAKE YOU TO OUR PROFESSIONAL PARK ONCE THAT GETS DEVELOPED OUT. IT'LL GIVE US THE FUNDING TO DO THAT.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DO IT.

THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. THE OTHER SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS NO.

I NEVER HAVE A PLAN IN ADVANCE TO SPEND 100% OF THAT.

BUT I'M ALWAYS I'M ALWAYS KIND OF TRYING TO PLAY THE LONG GAME AND SET US UP TO WHERE IF SOMETHING COMES UP IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN HANDLE IT.

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JEN WAS ON THE SALARIES.

I SEE WHERE YOU KIND OF BROKE OUT, AND MAYBE THIS IS THE.

ANSWER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE ANSWER TO IT OR NOT. LONGEVITY, SOCIAL SECURITY, UNEMPLOYMENT AND ALL OF THAT TERMS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS, BUT ONE THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE BUDGETED FOR IS I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING WE MISSED LAST YEAR WAS FOR LIKE MERIT INCREASES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IS THAT INCLUDED IN WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE? YES, SIR. AND AND IF YOU REMEMBER, LAST YEAR YOU BUDGETED A LITTLE BIT OF A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TO GIVE ME SOME FLEXIBILITY.

IF I FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO BRING ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER ON.

RIGHT. THAT REMAINS THE SAME IF WE WERE TO BRING ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER ON.

EVEN IF I HAD IT IN THE BUDGET, I WOULD BRING THAT TO THE BOARD.

SO I WOULD PREFER I THINK WE'RE HANDLED HERE FOR ANY MERIT RAISES OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO. IF WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE DECIDE TO BRING ON ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER TO PAPER THAT AND BE TRANSPARENT. I WOULD BRING IT TO THE BOARD, GET YOUR APPROVAL, AND I DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO DO THAT. SO I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.

AND BOTH BOARDS, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HALF THE PICTURE BECAUSE THE BOARD SPLIT THE EMPLOYMENT COST.

AND ON THE EMPLOYMENT STUFF, ALL THOSE NUMBERS WERE RUN BY FINANCE.

I DIDN'T I CARRIED THEM OVER.

BUT THE BREAKDOWN, YOU SAID, WELL, I BROKE THOSE DOWN.

I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO BREAK THOSE DOWN.

SO THOSE WERE DONE BY TRAINED PROFESSIONALS THAT KNOW WHAT THOSE FEES ACTUALLY ARE, RIGHT. OKAY. NEXT QUESTION I HAD WAS ON THE I THINK WE TUCKED IT UNDER AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE OUR BUDGET FROM LAST YEAR IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I THINK WE TUCKED UNDER OUR PROJECT FUNDING BUDGET, ONE OF THE LINE ITEMS UNDERNEATH THAT PREVIOUSLY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WAS THE WOODY WILLIAMS GOLD STAR ON THERE.

AND SO I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD HAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND SET MONEY ASIDE FOR. AND I KNOW WE PROBABLY NEED TO PICK THAT CONVERSATION BACK UP AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AS NEXT STEPS.

WITH THAT PROGRAM DID THAT CARRY OVER AGAIN INTO THIS? BUT BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT SOMETHING NECESSARILY THAT WE I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOOT THAT THIS YEAR OR NOT. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

AND I, I DID NOT LIST IT INDIVIDUALLY.

I WILL TAKE SOME OF THE MONEY OUT OF THE PARKS, ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE AND DESIGNATE IT FOR THAT PROJECT.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT WOULD CARRY FORWARD.

BUT I STILL NEED TO SHOW IT.

OKAY. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT IT EARMARKED. YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND THAT WAS MY OVERSIGHT SOMEHOW SOMEWHERE.

AND I'LL, I'LL USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY ON THE, ON THE SERVICES PIECE OF IT UNDERNEATH LEGAL SERVICES WHERE YOU DID THE CONSULTING AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. I DEFINITELY LIKE THE ADDITION OF THAT LINE ITEM, I BELIEVE. BUT LOOKING AT THAT, I'LL USE THE GOLD STAR MONUMENT AS AN EXAMPLE. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO SEAN, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT LAST YEAR WAS WE NEED TO DO LIKE AN ENGINEERING REPORT TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE, HEY, WHERE THIS GOES? DOES IT HAVE THE APPROPRIATE FOUNDATION SPACE, ALL THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS? I THINK THE LAST THE BOARD'S LAST DISCUSSION WAS TO KIND OF HOLD OFF ON IT BECAUSE SOME WORK WAS BEING DONE DOWN IN THAT AREA.

MR. CHAIR. WELL, MY MY CLARIFYING POINT HERE, IT WILL BE FULLY ENGINEERED.

I MEAN, THE WEIGHT OF IT, THE SIZE OF IT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEERED FOUNDATION.

BUT WOULD THAT COME FROM THIS? PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, IT DEPENDS ON, QUITE HONESTLY, HOW THE COST BREAKS DOWN.

BECAUSE ONCE WE PASS THE BUDGET, I CAN MOVE SOME DOLLARS AROUND IF I NEED TO.

AND IF I NEED TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF PROJECTS, FUNDING TO DO ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING, WE CAN DO THAT.

SO IF THERE'S ENOUGH BUDGETED, IF IT'S A SMALL DOLLAR FIGURE AND WE'VE GOT ROOM PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. YES.

THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD COME OUT OF. OKAY.

YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO USE THAT. MAYBE IT WASN'T THE BEST EXAMPLE, BUT AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE SOME OF THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT MIGHT BE USED.

THE LAST THING NOTE THAT I HAD WAS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE DEBT TRANSFER.

THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ASKED, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE SEEN YET IS A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY ON WHEN THE WITH THE DEBT TRANSFER FOR WHAT WE PAID TO THE CITY FOR CITY SERVICES THE CONTRACT THAT OUTLINES WHAT'S INCLUDED AND KIND OF THE HARD DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT IS, IS EXPECTED WITH THAT.

SO OUR ATTORNEYS WORKING ON THAT AGREEMENT, WE'VE WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS GIVES ME A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.

PREVIOUSLY ALL OF THE WAGES AND EVERYTHING WERE UNDER OR TRANSFER IN.

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SO WE REALLY DON'T EVEN HAVE AN INTERNAL TRANSFER LINE ITEM IN OUR BUDGET.

WE'VE BROKEN EVERYTHING OUT TO SHOW WHAT IT IS.

OKAY. AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK FOR THE ACCOUNTING OR THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.

BUT AND THEY'RE LITERALLY PAYING OUT OF THE EDC ACCOUNT INSTEAD OF PAYING OUT OF THE CITY ACCOUNTS. SO THEY'RE THEY HAD TO SET UP A NEW WAY TO, TO PAY TRANSACTIONS. BUT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.

AND SO THIS IS THE WAY WE PLAN ON HANDLING IT MOVING FORWARD.

BUT WE STILL NEED TO HAVE A CONTRACT.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAD.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING FOR JIM ON THAT.

WE WERE COVERED ON THE WOODY WILLIAMS, BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I'D RATHER PUT THAT AS A SPECIFIC LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET.

THANK YOU. ARE WE STILL GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS OF CREATING THE SCHOLARSHIP FUND? YES WE ARE. AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP LAST MEETING IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE.

AND. THAT SUBJECT DIDN'T DIE.

MYSELF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REALLY DIDN'T FOLLOW.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SCHOLARSHIP FOR THE FALLEN POLICE OFFICER THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING, OR THE BROADER BASED SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM THAT WE CONSIDERED JUST MAKING THAT A PART OF? BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAMS. YES. THAT PARTICULAR SCHOLARSHIP.

YES. YEAH. I NEED TO GET WITH PD AND WE NEED TO GET BACK ON THAT.

THAT WAS WE KIND OF BOTH LET THAT SLIDE OFF THE TOP OF THE PILE, UNFORTUNATELY. AND WE NEED TO GET BACK ON IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PAY PIGGYBACK AND SAY BOTH OF THOSE AS WELL.

THE ONE FOR OFFICER DOMINGUEZ AND ALSO THE BROADER SCHOLARSHIP THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AS WELL. TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN HAVE THAT IN PLACE FOR OUR 2026 GRADUATES.

I KNOW IT'S TOO LATE FOR THE 25 CLASS BECAUSE ALL THOSE HAVE PASSED, BUT IF WE CAN GET STUFF IN LINE, WE HAVE TIME NOW.

WE'RE IN THE SUMMER, AND IF WE CAN GET THOSE THINGS IN PLACE WHERE OUR 2026 GRADUATING CLASS CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, HAVE TIME TO PROMOTE AND PUT OUT THERE LIKE THAT.

WE GIVE OURSELVES A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME TO WORK TOWARDS THAT. AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FINANCIALLY WITH THIS BUDGET, WE CAN DO 1 OR 2 THINGS.

WHEN WE GET IT PUT TOGETHER, WE CAN GO FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT, OR IF IT'S IT FITS WITHIN THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE BEING ABLE TO MOVE IT AROUND, WE CAN CARVE IT OUT OF THE FUNDS IN ANOTHER LINE ITEM AND THEN SET IT UP AS ITS OWN LINE ITEM. SO WE DO NEED TO GET THAT PUT TOGETHER.

THAT'S REALLY THE STEM. IT'S NOT THE MONEY.

IT'S. IT'S ME FIGURING OUT HOW TO PUT THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER.

ME AND DESHAWN AND PROBABLY A COUPLE OF YOU.

ALL THAT I'LL REACH OUT TO AND WHEN WE GET GOING ON THAT.

DEFINITELY FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME MORE THAN WELCOME TO HELP ON THAT. YEAH, I GUESS JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. YES.

YEAH. THERE YOU GO. CHAIR BOARD.

JAMES WATERS, CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE CITY OF PRINCETON. SO WHERE WE LEFT THE SCHOLARSHIP OFF, WE HAD SERGEANT TRIM, HE CAME UP AND GAVE A PRESENTATION.

SO I KNOW HE'S KIND OF WANTING TO WORK WITH THE BOARD, BUT HE KIND OF ASKED SOME VERY INTRICATE QUESTIONS AS FAR AS, LIKE, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS THAT SCHOLARSHIP GOES? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING INTO? HOW MUCH OF A SCHOLARSHIP OR Y'ALL WANT TO MORE GEAR THAT TOWARDS THE POLICE ACADEMY OR JUST CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROGRAM AND ALL THIS STUFF? SO I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT TEN QUESTIONS.

I WAS LEFT OFF WITH THE BOARD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO IT'S MY FAULT FOR THE NOT FOLLOW UP AND ALL THIS STUFF, BUT JUST KIND OF WONDERING I KNOW WE WANT TO KIND OF MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM, BUT WHAT ARE Y'ALL LOOKING AS AS FAR AS THE PLACEMENT OF THAT SCHOLARSHIP GOES? I WAS JUST I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I REMEMBER HIM COMING UP AND DOING THAT PRESENTATION AND HAVING SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS, AND I WOULD I KNOW PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, A REALLY GOOD PROGRAM WITH SOME LONGEVITY IN IT. I THINK, THOUGH, THAT THAT MAY BE KIND OF WHERE WE FELL OFF.

SOME IS YOU GUYS ARE WAITING FOR SOME INFORMATION OR SOME RESPONSES TO THOSE FROM US. IF I CAN, JIM, I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF TO GET THOSE QUESTIONS BACK IN FRONT OF US AND MAYBE WE CAN DO LIKE A GOOGLE FORMS OR SOMETHING AND KIND OF PULL THE BOARD TO GET RESPONSES ON THAT. AND WE CAN KIND OF COLLECT THAT AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO MAYBE AS EARLY AS THE NEXT MEETING FOR, FOR DISCUSSION AS FAR AS AND WITH SOME DECISION ON THAT, THE BOARD'S PERMISSION, I WOULD LOVE.

YOU OBVIOUSLY KNEW THE OFFICER VERY WELL.

YOUR DEPARTMENT KNEW THE OFFICER VERY WELL.

AND WHAT SHE MAY HAVE WANTED TO HAVE THAT SCHOLARSHIP GO TOWARDS.

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YOU GUYS VOTE. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE IT. SO I WOULD ASSUME YOU'D BE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AND.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE INITIAL THOUGHT WAS A SCHOLARSHIP THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY EXCLUSIVE, BUT REALLY TARGETED FOR A STUDENT WHO'S LOOKING AT GOING INTO LIKE THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE FIELD, WHICH I KNOW THAT CAN BE SOMEWHAT OF A WIDE APERTURE.

I KNOW THERE WAS ALSO SOME TALK ABOUT, HEY, DO WE LOOK AT MAYBE POSSIBLY PARTNERING WITH, LIKE, COLLIN COLLEGE ON A CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE? WOULD WE GET MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK GOING THAT ROUTE AS WELL.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS IT SOMETHING? AND I THINK, CHIEF WATERS, Y'ALL MAY HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE GIVING TO THAT SAME STUDENT AS THEY CYCLE THROUGH THE PROGRAM, RIGHT, AND CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THEM THROUGH THEIR PROGRAM, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A GREAT IDEA AS WELL. I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT I KNOW ABOUT CALLING COLLEGES FEES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK EVEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE VERY FEASIBLE. AND ONCE WE KIND OF GET INTO THAT GROOVE OF, OF RUNNING SOMEBODY THROUGH THOSE PROGRAMS. SO I'M OPEN TO ANYTHING AROUND THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD JUST FUNNEL IT TO ONLY IF THEY GO TO THE POLICE ACADEMY OR SOMETHING.

YEAH. I KIND OF HAD THOUGHT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT IT IN THE BEGINNING.

SO I KNOW THAT'S WHY WE TALKED ABOUT THE BROADER SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM AS WELL.

I WOULD LIKE TO NOT JUST THE POLICE ACADEMY, BUT I WOULD LIKE THIS SCHOLARSHIP, IN MY OPINION, TO GO TO SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO BE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO HOWEVER, WE COULD LIKE LOOK AT GEARING IT TOWARDS THAT BECAUSE OTHER OTHER YOUTH THAT ARE COMING UP THAT WANT SCHOLARSHIP OPPORTUNITIES, WE'RE GOING TO SET UP A SECONDARY SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM FOR OTHER YOUTH.

BUT FOR THIS ONE, TO HONOR THIS OFFICER, WE I'M THINKING I'D LIKE TO GO INTO SOME FORM OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST STRICTLY CRIMINAL JUSTICE OR POLICE ACADEMY, BUT LAW ENFORCEMENT, HOWEVER, WE WORK THOSE THINGS OUT, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF WHAT SHE REPRESENTED FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND THE CITY.

ANOTHER OPTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD BE IF YOU WANTED TO DESIGNATE A COUPLE BOARD MEMBERS TO SERVE ON A COMMITTEE AND SIT DOWN AND MEET WITH THE CHIEF AND A COUPLE OF HIS PEOPLE AND MYSELF AND DESHAWN AND JUST TALK THROUGH THE WHOLE THING AND THEN BRING A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE BOARD.

I MEAN, DESHAWN AND I ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT YOU'RE THE ONES THAT WILL BE VOTING AND IF THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME INTEREST IN IT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO THAT AS WELL.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD I WOULD VOLUNTEER MYSELF FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO THROW THEIR NAME IN THE HAT AS OF RIGHT NOW, BUT IF NOT, THINK ABOUT IT AND MAYBE FOLLOW UP WITH JIM SHORTLY.

BUT YOU CAN YOU CAN MARK ME DOWN FOR THAT ONE.

YOU CAN YOU CAN DO IT ANYTIME YOU LIKE, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU CAN DESIGNATE YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT DURING A MEETING OR HAVE A VOTE.

RIGHT. IT'S CERTAINLY UP TO YOU.

SO YOU JUST LET ME KNOW.

I'M MORE THAN WELCOME TO JUMP IN AND YEAH, I'LL HELP OUT AS MUCH AS I CAN AS WELL, SO YOU CAN COUNT ME DOWN FOR THAT.

LIKEWISE AS WELL. SO I THINK WE'VE GOT THREE ON THAT TO WORK WITH CHIEF WATERS AND AND THEM ON THAT. PERFECT.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

ALL RIGHT. IF THAT IS IT ON THE PRESENTATIONS PIECE, JIM, ARE WE DONE ON. ARE WE.

YES, SIR. UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON NOW TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEM K 2020 5-0166

[K. 2025- 016 Forensic Audit Consider, discuss, and act on proceeding with a forensic audit on the Steven and Judy Deffibaugh community center expenses.]

THIS IS YOUR ITEM, MR. CHAIRMAN. I MEAN, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE ANY INPUT OTHER THAN IF YOU HAVE ANY FACTUAL QUESTIONS. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

IF YOU REMEMBER, THIS COMES AS A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

OKAY. I THINK ONE THING THAT WE MAY WANT TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT IS JUST WITH THE TIMELINE OF SINCE IT CAME FROM SINCE COUNCIL APPROVED THE RFQ, I BELIEVE. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, KIND OF.

IF YOU CAN WALK THROUGH THAT TIMELINE OF WHEN THAT WAS APPROVED.

HOW LONG WAS THAT OPEN FOR? WHEN WERE RESPONSE RESPONSES? WHAT WAS THE DEADLINE ON RESPONSES? AND THEN WHEN THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US, AND THEN WHERE WE'RE AT WITH HAVING THE RESPONDENTS COMING IN TO PRESENT, POSSIBLY PRESENT TO US.

GREAT. DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THOSE DATES? I HAVE THE BACK END OF IT.

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SO I'VE GOT TO GET THE DATE THAT THEY LET IT AND THE TIME THAT IT WAS OUT.

I DON'T HAVE THAT AT MY FINGERTIPS.

YEAH. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATES. I KNOW I BELIEVE IT WAS DISCUSSED IN FRONT OF COUNCIL A COUPLE OF TIMES. AND I THINK THE, THE DIRECTION TO TO GO OUT FOR AN RFQ WAS, I BELIEVE IN MARCH. AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE THE RFQ ITSELF.

I THINK IT OPENED UP EARLY APRIL WITH THE SUBMITTAL DEADLINE OF MAY 12TH.

SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE KEY DATES.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY SINCE THEN KIND OF REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THEY'VE COMPLIED WITH THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS, ALL THE MET, ALL THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.

SO I DON'T HAVE A ROUGH DATE ON WHEN IT WAS THE RFQ WAS APPROVED, BUT IT WAS A, I BELIEVE, A MARCH COUNCIL MEETING.

AND IF I CAN LOOK AT MY.

MONTHLY CALENDAR, I CAN TELL YOU WHEN THE RESULTS WERE FORWARDED ON TO ME.

WE MET THE THIRD WEDNESDAY IN MAY, THE 21ST.

WE DID THE AGENDA ON THURSDAY THE 15TH, AND I WAS I RECEIVED A NOTICE.

IT WAS BASICALLY A BREAKDOWN OF ESTIMATED COST FROM THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT ON THE DAY WE WERE DOING OUR AGENDA ON THE 15TH, I BELIEVE.

AND THEN I WENT DOWNSTAIRS AND PICKED UP THE HARD COPIES AND TOOK OUT THE JUMP DRIVES AND DOWNLOADED THE RFQ RESPONSES SO I COULD FORD FORWARD THEM ONTO YOU ALL ON THAT DAY TO THE 15TH. AND THEN IT WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER ON THE 21ST.

OKAY. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR UP.

THERE WAS SOME SPECULATION THAT WE'VE BEEN SITTING ON THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND, AND KIND OF DELAYING ON IT, BUT IT WAS REALLY WE WERE WAITING ON THE RESPONSES COMING IN FROM THE.

YES, SIR. AND THEN AS WE WERE WORKING TO INITIALLY GET THEM TO ATTEND THIS EVENING, THERE WERE SOME CONFLICTS THERE.

YES. YEAH. WE ONLY HAD WE HAD ONE OF THE THREE FIRMS THAT COULD MAKE IT, AND THERE WAS A HOPE TO HAVE ALL THREE FIRMS MAKE IT.

AND SO WE DECIDED TO, TO PUSH THAT, LEAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA SO YOU COULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE IF THE BOARD DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD.

I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO HAVE THOSE SAME FIRMS COME IN FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.

OR WE COULD EVEN CALL A SPECIAL MEETING IF YOU PREFERRED TO JUST DO THAT IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT THAT LONG.

SO BUT TO BE CLEAR, I BELIEVE I GOT EVERYTHING AND A SHORT EXPLANATION IN YOUR LAST BOARD PACKET THE DAY I RECEIVED THE INFORMATION FROM FROM FINANCE.

SO TO THE POINT OF SITTING ON IT THAT WE DIDN'T DO THAT.

OKAY. SO I'M JUST GOING TO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY IT IT'S BEEN A HOT BUTTON TOPIC.

I'VE BEEN STOPPED AROUND TOWN AND ASKED ABOUT THIS AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ALL THEM.

WE DON'T HAVE THEM TO PRESENT HERE TONIGHT, BUT I AND I'M ONLY ONE VOTE.

I AM IN THE MINDSET THAT WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, GETTING OUR RFQ OUT IN FRONT OF US TO DECIDE.

I'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES.

BACK AND FORTH. BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT IT HAS BEEN GOING ON LONG ENOUGH TO JUST EVERYBODY'S HEART, EVEN IF I DON'T 110% AGREE WITH IT.

BUT THE EASE OF EVERYBODY'S HEART IN THE COMMUNITY AND TRY TO BRING EVERYBODY TOGETHER AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS CITY AND HAVING TRUST AND TRANSPARENCY EVEN IF I DON'T 110% AGREE WITH THIS. I THINK IT IS IN THE BEST BET FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO EVERYBODY.

I CONCUR WITH KAREEM THAT EVEN THOUGH I MAY NOT AGREE WITH IT EITHER 110%, I DO THINK THAT IT WILL PROVIDE HONESTY AND TRANSPARENCY TO THE CITY OF PRINCETON AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. SO I'M ON THE SAME BOAT AS YOU.

I WILL JUST SAY I ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE.

I HAVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP FOR A WHILE, AS WE ALL KNOW.

WE'RE HERE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE FUNDS THAT ARE GIVEN TO US TO ALLOCATE TO THE PROJECTS AROUND THE CITY.

I HAVE SEEN NO PROOF OF MISMANAGEMENT.

NO PROOF OF FRAUD. NOTHING THAT HAS BEEN SHOWN TO ME LEGITIMATELY IN FRONT OF ME TO VALIDATE SPENDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY ON A WITCH HUNT.

AND RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE HAVE.

IF I HAD IN FRONT OF ME SOME REASON ARTICULABLE SUSPICION THAT SOMETHING WAS INVENTED OR FRAUD HAPPENED, ABSOLUTELY.

I WOULD BE 100% BEHIND IT.

WHILE WE DO HAVE 4.5 MILLION IN THE BUDGET, WE ARE GROWING CITY.

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WE CANNOT AFFORD TO WASTE MONEY.

SO UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING THAT CAN SHOW ME A VALID REASON TO PROCEED WITH THIS ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO SPEND ON THIS, I CANNOT GET BEHIND IT.

I THINK FROM FOR THIS POINT, SINCE WE ARE THE FASTEST GROWING CITY NATIONALLY, FINDING A FORENSIC AUDIT WOULD NOT HURT FOR THE SIMPLE FACT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS IN ORDER.

YOU CANNOT OPERATE IN CHAOS AND THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ORDER IF YOU OPERATE IN ORDER NOW, YOU CAN AVOID OPERATING IN CHAOS.

SO HAVING A FORENSIC AUDIT CAN HELP IN MANY WAYS.

NOT NOT JUST HELP, BUT IT CAN PLACE US INTO THE NEXT, WE'LL SAY, 20 OR 30 YEARS FROM LONG FROM WHEN WE'RE SITTING HERE.

AND AND I WANT TO SAY THAT I WAS WITH YOU ON THAT TO DIRECTOR ASH, BUT SOMEBODY WALKED UP TO ME IN THE STORE AND SAID, I'VE SEEN Y'ALL SPEND MONEY ON A THOUSAND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T AGREE WITH.

SO THIS WOULD BE A DROP IN THE BUCKET FOR WHAT YOU ALL HAVE IN THE BANK, WHAT YOU ALL HAVE BUDGETED TO JUST EASE HEARTS.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD. AND.

AND SHE WAS THE KINDEST LADY AND ALL SHE SAID WAS, JUST THINK ABOUT IT. YOU DON'T KNOW ME.

I DID NOT KNOW THIS LADY.

SHE WALKED UP TO ME AND SAID, JUST THINK ABOUT IT.

AND I SAID, YES, MA'AM.

ABSOLUTELY. I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A THOUSAND TIMES. IT KEEPS COMING UP ON FACEBOOK EVERY TIME YOU JUMP ON THERE.

AND I UNDERSTAND EASING PEOPLE'S MINDS.

HOWEVER, AS I SAID, GIVEN THIS POSITION AND BEING A GOOD STEWARD OF THE FUNDS THAT ARE ALLOCATED TO US TO USE FOR PARKS AND OTHER STUFF, I IN GOOD CONSCIENCE, WITHOUT A ARTICULABLE REASONABLE SUSPICION, CANNOT VALIDATE THIS KIND OF MONEY.

I BELIEVE IF WE ARE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE FUNDS, THAT THE FORENSIC AUDIT SHOULD TAKE PLACE, ONE BECAUSE IF THERE IS JUST A QUESTION AND NO PROOF CAN BE BRING FORWARD RIGHT AWAY, I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING WAS WRONG.

HOW DO WE STOP IT IN THE FUTURE? WHAT POLICY, PROCEDURES AND GUIDELINES CAN WE COME UP WITH TO PREVENT CERTAIN THINGS TO HAPPEN? THINGS HAVE HAPPENED.

WE NEED TO FIX THEM. AND THE ONLY WAY TO FIND OUT A FIX TO A PROCESS OR A PROCEDURE IS TO FIND OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS.

IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED, THEN HOW? HOW DO WE HELP PRINCETON IN THE FUTURE? AND SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DONE IF IT COMES OUT FINE.

AND EVEN IF THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG, THEN WE MOVE FORWARD.

IF THERE WAS SOMETHING TO FIND THAT WAS NOT DONE CORRECTLY, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT PROCESSES AND GUIDELINES TO PREVENT THEM IN THE FUTURE.

WELL, SAID SCHNEIDER. WELL, I'VE I FEEL LIKE I'M KIND OF A MIXED BAG OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID.

I AM DEFINITELY FOR ACCOUNTABILITY, FOR TRANSPARENCY, AND A LOT OF THE OTHER BUZZWORDS THAT WE'VE HEARD THROWN AROUND THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC AND SOME OTHERS OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.

I DO AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT, HEY, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE FOUND AND ADDRESS AND HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR, ABSOLUTELY. WHERE I START TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN ON THIS IS THERE'S THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AROUND SOME ACCUSATIONS.

SOME HAVE BEEN I DON'T AGREE WITH HOW A LOT OF IT'S BEEN HANDLED OVER SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE'VE WE HAVE GIVEN AS A BOARD JUST IN A SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY.

WE HAVE GIVEN VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND MEET WITH US, TO MEET WITH STAFF, TO ASK QUESTIONS, TO BRING UP THE CONCERNS, TO BRING TO THE TABLE ANYTHING THAT THEY FEEL WAS NOT DONE CORRECTLY OR ANYTHING.

THEY COULD DO IT, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A, IN A MEETING WITH STAFF.

WE'VE WE'VE ALSO OFFERED TO HAVE COME SPEAK AT OUR MEETINGS OR EVEN TO COME AND PRESENT TO US IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION IF THEY FELT LIKE THAT WAS THE BEST WAY TO HAVE IT HANDLED. I WILL SAY PERSONALLY, IN THIS SPIRIT OF TRANSPARENCY, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THIS EVIDENCE THAT'S SUPPOSEDLY OUT THERE. I'VE ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES FOR THIS PUBLICLY, PRIVATELY, AND, YOU KNOW I'VE GOTTEN MOSTLY SPECULATION ON ON THINGS.

SO IT DOES MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM A CHAIR POSITION OF THE BOARD, AS A DIRECTOR, OF SPENDING THIS KIND OF MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. KNOWING THAT I HAVEN'T REALLY GOTTEN ANYTHING SOLID PUT IN FRONT OF US TO,

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THIS IS SOMEBODY THAT WAS A FORMER BOARD DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, BUT NOBODY'S WILLING TO STEP FORWARD AND BRING THAT TO LIGHT.

SO MY CONCERN IS, WHAT DO WE REALLY UNCOVER? IF THERE WAS A HARD, FAST DOLLAR AMOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH IT THAT I COULD GET BEHIND AS WELL, THAT I KNOW THAT, HEY, THIS IS GOING TO COST X.

THE PROBLEM THAT I'VE SEEN WITH THESE IS THAT ALL THE RFPS THAT I LOOK THROUGH IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BOUND BY, BY TIME OR A DOLLAR AMOUNT.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE THIS IS A SCOPE THAT WE ANTICIPATE.

SO THERE'S NOT A HARD STOP IN IT.

I FEEL LIKE THAT PUTS US IN A, IN A FURTHER BAD PREDICAMENT OF WE'RE AT THE MERCY OF THE FORENSIC AUDIT TEAM.

AND IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, YOU'VE ALREADY SPENT $200,000, WE STILL HAVE X NUMBER OF HOURS THAT WE ANTICIPATE IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER 50, ANOTHER 80,000. THAT PUTS US IN A BAD SPOT TO SAY, WELL, DO WE DO WE TIE OFF THE BLEEDING AND SAY NO? AND THEN IT FURTHER LOOKS LIKE, AS WE'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF HIDING SOMETHING.

OR DO WE JUST CONTINUE TO OPEN UP THE CHECKBOOK AND JUST WRITE ANOTHER BLANK CHECK? THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH THIS BASICALLY HANDING OUT A BLANK CHECK. I HAVE A LOT OF, A LOT OF RUB WITH SO THERE'S A LOT OF SPECULATION. THERE'S A THERE'S NO BOUNDARIES REALLY PUT ON THIS FROM A FUNDING PERSPECTIVE. THE INTENT AND PURPOSE AROUND A FORENSIC INVESTIGATION OR FORENSIC AUDIT IS THAT THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC.

EXCUSE ME. THERE IS SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT IS A QUESTIONABLE PIECE OR SOME KIND OF WRONGDOING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS A MUCH MORE NARROW SCOPE THAN THE CITY AT LARGE. SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT MUCH, BUT MY EXPECTATION AND WHAT I'VE ASKED FOR IS, HEY, IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR VENDOR, IF THERE WAS A PARTICULAR TRANSACTION DONE, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY WHAT'S DRIVING THIS, LET'S LET'S GET THAT ON THE TABLE.

YES, PLEASE. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, LET'S BE TRANSPARENT.

LET'S PUT OUR CARDS ON THE TABLE.

AND FREQUENTLY I'VE GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, MET WITH YOU KNOW, WE'LL GO GO GET THE FILES YOURSELF AND SIT DOWN AND LOOK THROUGH IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW? SO I'M GOING TO PAUSE.

I SEE A COUPLE OF YOU READY TO PUSH.

I'M GOING TO TAKE A BREAK AND SEE IF I CAN COLLECT MY VOICE.

I THANK IT AS THE BOARD.

IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE PULL RECORDS, WE MAY NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT THEN IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIGURE OUT, TO HIRE SOMEBODY, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

MY MAIN CONCERN IS WHETHER SOMETHING WAS DONE PRIOR.

WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS DONE SO WE CAN PREVENT IT IN THE FUTURE.

WE CAN'T PREVENT ANYTHING UNLESS WE KNOW WHAT WAS DONE.

AND SO I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE THAT.

I DON'T THINK WE WILL WRITE A CHECK.

I KNOW IT IS, YOU KNOW, BASE WISE, BUT WE'RE ONLY DOING THIS SMALL PORTION. SO I DON'T THINK THIS SMALL PORTION OF THE BUDGET IS GOING TO TAKE US TO $1 MILLION OR $750, $150,000 IN THIS INVESTIGATION.

BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

SO TRUST CAN BE GAINED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE MAIN PURPOSE.

IF SOMETHING WAS DONE, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WAS AND HOW TO FIX IT IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE IF WE JUST KEEP SAYING IT WASN'T DONE, IT HAPPENED PRIOR TO US AND WE DON'T KNOW AND WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW, THEN THIS SAME SITUATION IS GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

AND THAT'S PERSON PRETENDS TO GROW FASTER.

WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME IN AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

AND I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PREVENT BUSINESSES AND ANYTHING ELSE TO STOP TAKING ADVANTAGE, BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW.

SO. JUST SETS A PRECEDENT WITHOUT ANY VALID REASON TO DO THIS AND JUST WILD SPECULATION THROWN ABOUT. IT'S A GROSS MISUSE OF FUNDS, IN MY OPINION,

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WHAT SITUATION? I AGREE WITH YOU.

IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN POINT AT, WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD UNCOVER IT AND BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT. BUT I'VE HEARD WHAT THIS SITUATION PREVENTS US.

AT WHAT SITUATION? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOTHING BUT WILD SPECULATION.

AND LIKE I SAID, I AM 1,000% IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU ALL.

IF THERE IS SOMETHING TO UNCOVER, ABSOLUTELY UNCOVER IT. BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT. BUT WITHOUT SOMETHING TO AT LEAST DIRECT US AT AND JUST SAY, OH WELL, LET'S GO DO A FORENSIC AUDIT OF THE ENTIRE JUDY AND STEPHEN COMMUNITY CENTER.

THAT GOES BACK YEARS. THAT CAN GET EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.

SO ME, THIS IS LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING TO PINPOINT, AT LEAST IN A GENERAL DIRECTION, AND IT CAN GET VERY EXPENSIVE.

WHAT I WOULD SAY I'VE BEEN TOLD IS THERE IS SOMETHING THERE.

CAN'T SPEAK OF IT DUE TO A SEPARATION AGREEMENT.

IT'S ALL I CAN BE TOLD. SO AT THAT POINT, THEY'RE LIKE.

WHAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD. WHERE THERE'S SMOKE, THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE FIRE. IT CAN BE BIGGER. IT CAN BE SMALLER.

TO EASE EVERYBODY'S HEART, I AM IN AGREEMENT.

AGREEANCE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO WRITE A BLANK.

BLANK CHECK. WE SHOULD NOT WRITE A BLANK CHECK.

THAT WOULD NOT BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE MONEY THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

BUT IN MY OPINION, WHAT WE'LL BE GOOD STEWARDS IS WHETHER AND AGAIN, I'VE TOLD YOU, I'VE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS AND I'VE WRESTLED WITH IT BACK AND FORTH UNTIL TODAY, MAKING MY DECISION ON WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO.

AND I'M JUST AT THE OPINION NOW FOR EVERYBODY TO COME TOGETHER AND WHETHER IT CAN BE A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND, AND I'M NOT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AT ALL, BUT WHETHER IT IS A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WANTS IT.

THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TALKING UP.

IF THERE'S ANOTHER 30,000 RESIDENTS THAT ARE NOT SPEAKING AND THEY'RE BUSY DAY TO DAY, THEN THAT'S FINE. BUT I GOTTA KIND OF SIDE WITH SOME OF THE ONES WHO ARE TALKING UP AND SAYING, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT.

SO IF IT'S 400 PEOPLE COMING IN HERE SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT, GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO GET A CLEAN SLATE SO WE CAN ALL MOVE FORWARD AS ONE CITY TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING DONE THE RIGHT WAY.

IF WE'RE RIGHT, WE'RE RIGHT.

IF WE'RE WRONG, WE'RE WRONG.

WE NEED TO FIX IT. AND WE NEED TO DO BETTER FOR EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY.

EVERYBODY WHO IS COMING OUT HERE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT WE DO EACH AND EVERY DAY, I THINK IT'S OUR RIGHT. I THINK IT'S OUR OBLIGATION.

I THINK IF SOMEBODY CAME TO US IN 100,000 OR $200,000 IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET FOR A PIECE OF MIND. YOU KNOW. I ALSO I HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IN HOW OUR CITY IS BEING MANAGED TODAY VERSUS HOW IT WAS, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.

ESPECIALLY WE HAVE GYMS LEADERSHIP AS OUR CEO OVER THE EDC AND THE CDC.

SEE. WE HAVE A NEW MAYOR.

WE HAVE PEOPLE, NEW STAFF IN FINANCE.

I JUST THINK THAT AS A WHOLE, LIKE THE CITY OF PRINCETON IS, YOU KNOW, MOVING IN A YOU KNOW, A POSITIVE POSITION AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF SOMETHING GOING WRONG IN THE FUTURE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE VERY SLIM TO NONE BECAUSE OF THE GREAT STAFF THAT WE HAVE AND SOMEBODY LIKE JIM.

YOU KNOW, SEEING THIS, YOU KNOW, MORE CAREFULLY ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS. SO I THINK THAT THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD FOR SURE WITH THE FORENSIC AUDIT AND PUT IT BEHIND US.

I THINK THAT THERE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN A LOT OF THOUGHT TO THIS, OBVIOUSLY IN SOME CONVERSATIONS, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S NECESSARILY NEEDS TO BE FOR ONE, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE TO JUST VOTE YES ON THIS TONIGHT AND SAY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ON. LIKEWISE, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A LITTLE PREMATURE TO COMPLETELY SHUT IT DOWN AND NOT HAVE HEARD FROM THE RFQ, RFP RESPONDENTS AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.

I KNOW I HAVE PROBABLY A HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS OR SO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON SOME THINGS BEFORE I REALLY MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION.

AND AND I FEEL LIKE FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'VE GOT THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

SEVERAL OF THEM, YOU KNOW, I OR ALL OF THEM I'VE GOTTEN AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN I'VE WHEN I'VE POSED THOSE QUESTIONS TO VARIOUS PEOPLE I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH.

SO AGAIN, I THINK WE ASKED THE EXPERTS IN THIS AND GET SOME INSIGHT FROM THEM.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY A CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH GIVEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WITH A NEW FINANCIAL DIRECTOR THAT CAME IN AND LOOKED THROUGH ALL THE THINGS WHO ALSO HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF BEING A FORENSIC AUDITOR.

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SO I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN SUCH A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION AND DIFFICULT TOPIC FOR SO MANY PEOPLE. I THINK WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE DO TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY THINK OF IT AS A YES OR NO THIS EVENING.

BUT THAT WE THINK OF IT AS A HEY, LET'S BRING IN THE RFP RESPONDENTS.

IT WOULD BE PREMATURE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WITHOUT HAVING HAD THOSE PRESENTATIONS, THE CONVERSATION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

IN THE MEANTIME, I WOULD ASK ESPECIALLY THOSE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S ON THE BOARD OR ON COUNCIL IS TO BE VERY CAREFUL.

AND PLEASE STOP PUTTING MISINFORMATION OUT THERE.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STATEMENTS AND ACCUSATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT MADE THAT ARE FIRING UP PEOPLE FOR OR AGAINST IT EITHER WAY.

AND I WOULD ASK THAT WE'D BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER ABOUT HOW WE REPRESENT OURSELVES, HOW WE REPRESENT THE BOARDS AND COUNSEL, AND THAT WE STOP MAKING ACCUSATIONS AND THINGS THAT ARE INACCURATE? I FOR ONE, PARTICULARLY FIND IT A BIT OFFENSIVE WHEN THERE'S THINGS BEING THROWN OUT THERE THAT ARE JUST FLAT OUT INCORRECT.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO A SOCIAL MEDIA WAR WITH ANYBODY ELSE ONLINE.

I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE EACH OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TO TO TAKE THAT SAME POSTURE OF NOT GETTING INTO YOU KNOW, A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. I THINK WE CAN HANDLE THIS THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE HANDLING IT.

AND THAT'S THROUGH RATIONAL DISCUSSION DISCERNMENT, GETTING FACTUAL INFORMATION FROM FOLKS AND, AND HANDLING IT IN THAT MANNER.

SO I WOULD MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HEAR FROM THE RESPONDENTS WHEN WE CAN GET THEM IN HERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED TO DO A SPECIAL MEETING FOR IT. I THINK THE JULY MEETING WOULD WOULD BE ADEQUATE TIME, BUT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF WHERE I WOULD LEAVE THIS FOR THIS EVENING.

I ACTUALLY THINK THAT BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF JUST GOING ON SO, SO LONG AND, YOU KNOW, MEETING ONCE A MONTH, YOU JUST IT SEEMS LIKE IT GETS WORSE AND WORSE AND MORE AND MORE.

I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THAT.

OF COURSE, WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF US, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ACTUALLY TAKE A VOTE ON WHETHER WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD NOW WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO SPEND, ONCE WE SEE THAT, THAT STILL IS TO BE DETERMINED, BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME TYPE OF VOTE SO THAT THIS ISN'T JUST UNSETTLED TONIGHT, BECAUSE I SEE ON HERE THAT IT SAYS TAKE ACTION.

I HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW THIS IS A REVIEW OF THE CDC.

EDC COMMUNITY CENTER. HOW THE FUNDS DO ALL THE FUNDS FOR THE AUDIT HAVE TO COME FROM OUR BUDGET, OR CAN IT BE SPLIT ACROSS ANOTHER TYPE OF BUDGET? JUST A QUESTION. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I WOULD SAY IF YOU GUYS MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AUDIT, IT WOULD COME OUT OF YOUR BUDGET. YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AUDIT YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL COULD CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AUDIT AND USE THE GENERAL FUND.

BUT I WOULD SAY BECAUSE BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE SELECTING AN APPLICANT AND AWARDING A CONTRACT.

SO AS FAR AS JUST PREVIOUS CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, IT WOULD COME FROM SALES TAX PROCEEDS OUT OF YOUR BUDGET. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

THANK YOU. I MEAN, COULD WE SHARE? SOMEBODY AT THE DOOR? AND IT WAS ABOUT TO WALK DOWN THE AISLE THAT I WAS HOPING FOR PIZZA OR SOMETHING TO COME THROUGH, BUT NO.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM WHAT COUNTY COUNCIL HAS TO SAY, WHAT THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS, ALONG WITH WHAT THE CHAIRMAN IS ASKING FOR, BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT US MAKING THE DECISION.

BUT WE AS A BOARD ARE HERE FOR THE PEOPLE.

AND AS VICE CHAIRMAN EVANS SAID, WE INITIALLY HAVE TO GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT, NOT BECAUSE THEY WANT IT, BUT BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AS STEWARDS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO STORE SOMETHING, YOU'RE GOING TO STORE IT WITH INTEGRITY.

SO EACH ONE OF US SIT UP HERE IN IMMENSE OF INTEGRITY.

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WE HAVE TO OPERATE IN INTEGRITY AT ALL COSTS.

I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE SAME CAN BE SAVED WITH THE ADVERSE THAT BY BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THE FUNDS AND USING THEM FOR WHAT THEY'RE INTENDED FOR, WOULD BE VERY NOBLE.

THAT'S WHY I THINK WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A VOTE.

THERE'S THERE'S EVERYBODY HAS ONE VOTE UP HERE.

EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT OPINIONS.

AND THAT'S HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS.

EVERYTHING ISN'T SUPPOSED TO PASS 6070.

YOU STATE YOUR OPINION, YOU STATE THE FACTS.

YOU STATE WHAT YOU KNOW.

AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR ME AND THE PLACE THAT I REPRESENT.

AND MY ONE VOTE. THAT'S WHY I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH A VOTE AND TO GET THE RECORD IN FRONT OF US TO DETERMINE A PRICE NOT TO EXCEED AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. MR. CHAIR, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.

THAT IT WILL BE MAKE YOUR DECISION ON WHETHER YOU FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN OR NOT, AND NOT WHETHER OR NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER IS BECAUSE WITH A FORENSIC AUDIT, THERE'S REALLY NO SUCH THING.

YOU REALLY. IT'S AN HOURLY CHARGE.

THEY DON'T DO LUMP SUM UNLESS WHEN THEY COME, YOU'RE WELCOME TO ASK THEM WILL YOU GIVE US A LUMP SUM BID.

AND GET THAT. BUT ONCE YOU HIRE THEM, BY DEFINITION, THEY'RE INDEPENDENT BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT US, SO THEY DON'T TAKE DIRECTION FROM US.

THEY ONCE THEY GET INTO THE PROJECT, THEY WORK UNTIL THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE FINISHED WITH THE PROJECT.

AND SO JUST MAKE THE DECISION ON.

WE CAN WORK THE MONEY OUT.

DON'T MAKE THE DECISION ON THE MONEY, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU TO MAKE A DECISION AND LOOK BACK. GO, OH MY GOSH, I DIDN'T KNOW IT COULD BE LOWER THAN THEY'VE PROPOSED. I MEAN, WE HAVE LESS THAN TWO BOXES OF RECORDS FOR THE ENTIRE THING.

SO, I MEAN, IT COULD BE A VERY LOW NUMBER.

THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY IS, ONCE YOU SIGN THE CONTRACT, YOU DON'T CONTROL THE AUDITORS.

THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO WORK UNTIL THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE COME TO A CONCLUSION.

SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO PUT A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY WON'T SIGN A CONTRACT.

I DON'T BELIEVE LIKE THAT, GRANT.

YEAH. NO. TO JIM'S POINT THE THREE PROPOSALS THAT WE RECEIVED ARE MERELY AN ESTIMATE, RIGHT? I THINK WE'LL HAVE A BETTER ONCE YOU GET.

SHOULD THE BOARD CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FORENSIC AUDIT AND COUNCIL BLUFFS THAT DECISION? I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE FIRST PHASE OF THE AUDIT, I THINK WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE EXPENDITURE WILL BE AS THE AUDITORS KIND OF DIG INTO, YOU KNOW, THEY DO INITIAL INTERVIEWS, KIND OF COMPILE ALL THE DOCUMENTS.

YOU'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA. BUT TYPICALLY THE NORM IS FOR FOR THESE TYPE OF SERVICES, IT'S MERELY AN ESTIMATE.

WE CAN ALWAYS TRY TO DO IT NEGOTIATE A, YOU KNOW, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT, BUT TYPICALLY THAT'S JUST NOT THE NORM.

IT'S TYPICALLY AN HOURLY RATE AND THEY'LL GIVE YOU AN ESTIMATE.

AND THAT'S HOW ALL THAT'S ALL.

ALL THREE PROPOSALS ARE STATED IS AN ESTIMATE.

OKAY, GRANT I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU TO FIGURE OUT. YOU'RE THE EXPERT IN THAT. BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH VOTING TONIGHT TO DECIDE WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FORENSIC AUDIT.

I SECOND THAT MOTION. YEAH.

MR.. HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

YEAH. MR. EVANS, CAN YOU REPHRASE THE MOTION OR JUST RESTATE IT? I THINK YOU SAID MOVE FORWARD TO DECIDE WHETHER TO JUST.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD TO DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A FORENSIC AUDIT.

IS THAT MY MOTION, GRANT? I MEAN, I THINK I GUESS I'M JUST CLARIFYING YOUR MOTION.

SO YOUR YOUR MOTION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FORENSIC AUDIT AND DECIDE WHO TO SELECT IN JULY. IS THAT WHAT IS THAT? YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY.

YEAH. DO YOU MIND RESTATING IT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR. NO. NO PROBLEM. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FORENSIC AUDIT TO CHOOSE A FIRM TO GO WITH. YEAH, IF I CAN.

I'M SORRY IF I CAN ASK A QUESTION NOT TO MAKE THIS MORE COMPLICATED.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ALL, ESPECIALLY MYSELF.

BUT I'M SURE IF I HAVE A QUESTION, THERE'S PROBABLY SOMEBODY ELSE THAT DOES TO

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SO WITH THAT MOTION, IS THAT COMMITTING US TO MOVING FORWARD? AND THEN JUST NOW WE PICK A FIRM TO GO WITH? OR DOES IT ALLOW US TO PROCEED WITH SPEAKING WITH THE FIRMS AND THEN WE STILL CAN, IF WE WHATEVER DON'T LIKE THE ANSWERS THAT WE GET OR WHATEVER, THEN WE'RE NOT ABLE TO CHANGE DIRECTION AT THAT POINT AND SQUASH IT, OR WE'RE COMMITTED TO MOVING FORWARD AND WE HAVE TO PICK A FIRM AT THAT POINT.

YEAH, I MEAN, MY MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT MOTION WOULD BE THAT YOU ARE COMMITTING TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE AUDIT, AND THEN YOU'RE SELECTING AND AWARDING A CONTRACT IN JULY, BUT I DIDN'T MAKE THE MOTION, SO I'LL DEFER TO THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION TO.

LET ME KNOW IF THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH. MY INTERPRETATION IS FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION TO MOVE, TO MAKE A VOTE, TO MOVE FORWARD.

WITH THE FORENSIC AUDIT STILL DETERMINED THAT WE HAVE TO CHOOSE A FIRM TO AWARD A CONTRACT TO. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.

IF THAT'S YOUR FINAL MOTION. THAT'S MY FINAL MOTION.

THANK YOU. YEAH. I SECOND THAT MOTION.

OKAY. WITH THAT DESHAWN I THINK WE'RE.

ALL RIGHT. AND THAT MOTION PASSES 4 TO 2.

AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.

[K. 2025- 017 CDC Meeting Date Consider, discuss, and act on the date and time of future CDC meetings.]

TOPIC THAT'S NOT NEARLY AS POLARIZING PROBABLY.

I MISSED THAT LAST PART.

I FEEL LIKE I MISSED SOMETHING GOOD.

I WAS JUST SAYING A TOPIC THAT'S NOT PROBABLY QUITE AS POLARIZING.

OH, I HOPE NOT. WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE UPDATED THE BYLAWS FOR THE CORPORATION ONE OF THE THINGS IN THERE THAT WE UPDATED WAS WE HAD A PRESCRIBED TIME AND DATE OF MEETINGS AND A PRESCRIBED PLACE FOR THE MEETINGS, WHICH IS NOT REQUIRED BY LAW.

AND WE MADE THE CHANGES TO GIVE THE CHAIR AND THE BOARD SOME FLEXIBILITY TO EITHER MOVE DATES IF THEY WORK BETTER, OR EVEN, TO USE A STRANGE EXAMPLE, IF WE HAVE A LARGE EMPLOYER, A NEW HOSPITAL OR SOMEBODY THAT COMES INTO TOWN, AND WE WANT TO CELEBRATE THAT BY HOLDING A MEETING IN THEIR BOARDROOM OR WHATEVER, WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

IT'S OKAY TO DO BY LAW.

SO AND, AND, AND LOOKING AT THAT, I BROUGHT THIS UP, I BELIEVE, AT OUR TRAINING SESSION, AND ONE OTHER MEETING IS THAT I'M USED TO IN THE VARIOUS CITIES GENERALLY.

THIS CITY COUNCIL WOULD MEET ON THE FIRST AND THIRD WEEK OF THE MONTH AND THEN THE EDC.

I'VE ALWAYS MET ON THE SECOND WEEK OF THE MONTH.

WHAT THAT DOES IS IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FINANCIALS WITH A MONTH IS CLOSED OUT NOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE A LOT DIFFERENT. WE CAN DOWNLOAD FINANCIALS ANY DAY. BUT AT THE END OF THE MONTH THERE'S ALWAYS ADJUSTMENTS THAT THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT DOES. SO IT GIVES THEM TIME TO WHAT THEY CALL CLOSE OUT THE FINANCIALS FOR THAT MONTH. AND THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS EVEN BIGGER, AND Y'ALL SAW IT AT YOUR LAST MEETING IS FOR FOR MAY, YOU SAW A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SALES TAX NUMBER THAN THE EDC SAW BECAUSE THEY HAD THEIR MEETING FIRST WEEK OF THE MONTH, AND WE HADN'T GOTTEN THE NUMBERS IN YET.

BY THE THIRD WEEK OF THE MONTH, WE HAD ALL THE NEW NUMBERS AND WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU THE MOST UPDATED INFORMATION.

DESHAWN AND I, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BOARD, TWO BOARD MEETINGS A MONTH REGARDLESS WHEN THEY ARE. SO I'M FAIRLY AGNOSTIC, BUT I DO LIKE TO PROVIDE THE MOST UPDATED INFORMATION WE POSSIBLY CAN TO YOU ALL WHEN WE MEET.

NOT BE TWO MONTHS AGED BY THE TIME WE DO THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY I BRING THAT UP.

I WILL SAY THAT LAST NIGHT THE EDC PASSED TO MOVE THEIR MEETINGS TO THE THIRD TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH. AND WE DID THAT BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME, WITH THE MORATORIUM GOING AWAY, THE PNC IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO HAVE TO MEET TWICE A MONTH. THEY MEET MONDAYS.

AND SO I WORKED WITH THEM AND SAID, LOOK, WE'LL WE'LL AVOID MONDAYS AS LONG AS THE BOARDS CAN AVOID MONDAYS.

AND SO THE THOUGHT WAS, AND WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST MEETING, AND I BELIEVE WE HAD A COUPLE MEMBERS MISSING THAT THE CHAIR WANTED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO NEED TO CHIME IN ON.

IT WAS WE WERE LOOKING AT THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH AS AN ALTERNATIVE.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT NEXT MONTH MOST LIKELY IT WILL BE THAT DATE ANYWAY, BECAUSE OF THE 4TH OF JULY, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY MEETINGS THE FIRST WEEK OF JULY. AND SO AGAIN, IT IS TOTALLY UP TO THE BOARD.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE UPSET EITHER WAY.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF MEETINGS.

BUT THE PROPOSAL TO THE BOARD IS TO CONSIDER MOVING THE MONTHLY BOARD MEETINGS TO THE

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SAME HERE. I'M GOOD WITH THE ONE THIRD WEDNESDAY.

YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT. SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO AND MAKE A MOTION THEN. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE CDC MONTHLY MEETINGS TO THE THIRD WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH. SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. IT LOOKS LIKE THAT PASSES SIX ZERO.

THANK YOU. JIM. THANK YOU.

OKAY. NEXT TIME YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING ME A COCKTAIL UP HERE. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL MOVE ON.

ITEM L. EXECUTIVE SESSION.

GRANT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR EXECUTIVE THIS EVENING, SO NOTHING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE PAST THAT AND MOVE ON TO ADJOURNMENT.

AND EVERYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION OR VOTE FOR AN ADJOURNMENT.

YOU CAN VOTE BY STANDING UP AND WALKING OUT.

THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.