D.1 MINUTES Possible approval of the Princeton Planning and Zoning Commission Regular meeting minutes of May 19, 2025.

[D.2 FP20221688 Final Plat - Winchester Crossing Phase 11 - Discussion and possible action regarding a request from D.R. Horton - Texas, LTD for final plat approval for a property being a 49.050 acre tract of land situated in the William D. Thompson Survey, Abstract No. 892, City of Princeton, Collin County, Texas.]

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FROM D.R.

HORTON, TEXAS LTD FOR PLAT APPROVAL FOR A PROPERTY BEING A 49.050 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED ON THE WILLIAM D.

THOMPSON SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 892, CITY OF PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS.

THIS REQUEST IS FOR FINAL PLAT APPROVAL OF A 49 ACRE TRACT SITUATED OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 398 AND SOUTH BEAUCHAMP BOULEVARD.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED PD 36 AND THE USE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

THIS REQUEST CONSISTS OF 258 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND FIVE COMMON AREA LOTS.

THIS PROJECT WAS IN PROGRESS PRIOR TO THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING MORATORIUM.

CITY STAFF AS WELL AS CITY ENGINEERS HAVE BEEN ON SITE AND INSPECTED THE PROPERTY, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS FINAL PLAT.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE, AND THE DEVELOPER HAS REPRESENTATION HERE AS WELL.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MORE QUESTION OR OOPS ON OUR PART OR YOUR TEAM, BUT ON THE PLAT APPLICATION, I NOTICE THERE'S NO CHECK MARK ON WHAT TYPE OF PLAT IT IS, HOW MUCH WAS PAID FOR THE PLAT, AND THAT'S ON EXHIBIT A PLAT APPLICATION.

AND IT WAS INTERESTING ENOUGH. SIGNED OFF IN MARCH, YOU KNOW, NOTARIZED IN MARCH.

I GUESS, YOU KNOW, NOT MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT IT NOW.

HOWEVER, I THINK WE NEED TO BE MORE DILIGENT IN ENSURING THAT THE DOCUMENTATION IS COMPLETED PROPERLY.

YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN INVOICED FOR THIS FINAL PLAT.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE AT THE FIRST ATTACHMENT, I BELIEVE IT'S EXHIBIT B, IT SAYS FINAL PLAT ON IT.

SO AS FAR AS WHAT TYPE OF PLAT THIS IS, I DON'T REALLY THINK THERE'S ANY CONFUSION OR MISUNDERSTANDING REGARDING THAT.

BUT IN THE FUTURE WE WILL BE MORE DILIGENT REGARDING MAKING SURE THAT THE BOXES ARE CHECKED.

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APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN, THERE'S SMALL THINGS, BUT IT JUST MAKES IT EASIER WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THESE.

I GUESS MAYBE MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHETHER THE BOX WAS CHECKED IS, HAVE THEY PAID THAT FEE? YOU SAID THEY WERE INVOICED. IS THAT IS THAT PAID? THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN INVOICED. YES. I'M UNSURE IF THEY'VE SUBMITTED THE PAYMENT AT THIS TIME, BUT IF IT IS NOT DONE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, THEN IT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ADVANCE.

I KNOW THAT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR PASSING A FINAL PLAT, ISN'T IT? IS THAT NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PAID BEFORE IT'S PRESENTED TO US? THE INVOICE HAS BEEN ISSUED. I WOULD HAVE TO ASK ONE OF OUR PERMIT TECHNICIANS OR ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER IF THEY'VE ACTUALLY CALLED UP HERE AND PAID IT, BUT I KNOW THE DEVELOPER HAS BEEN ISSUED THE INVOICE FOR THIS FINAL PLAT. OKAY.

YOU'RE NOT SURE, THOUGH. I F IT'S A REQUIREMENT.

I THOUGHT THAT JUST CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I THOUGHT THAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE THE SAME FOR CITY COUNCIL.

AND WHEN IT'S PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AND IT'S PRESENTED TO US.

SO IF IT IS UNPAID AT THIS POINT AND IS BEING PRESENTED TO US TECHNICALLY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST A MINOR THING, I GUESS MORE THAN ANYTHING I WANT CLARITY. IF IT IS UNPAID, IT DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. CORRECT? THIS FINAL PLAT AGAIN IS GOING TO BE PAID BEFORE ITS JULY 14TH MEETING.

WOULD REPRESENTATION FROM THE DEVELOPER LIKE TO COME UP TO THE STAND AND CONFIRM THAT, PLEASE.

I CAN CONFIRM IT HAS BEEN PAID.

WHAT? CAN I ASK THE DEVELOPER A COUPLE QUESTIONS? CAN YOU. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR.

YEAH. I THINK IT'S THE BUTTON ON YOUR LEFT. YES.

I'M JOSH LUKE WITH JBI PARTNERS. 2121 MIDWAY ROAD, CARROLLTON, TEXAS.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER. WE ARE THE ENGINEER AND SURVEYOR FOR THIS PROJECT.

WINCHESTER CROSSING PHASE 11. THANK YOU. SO THERE IS ONE OF MY BIGGER CONCERNS WHEN LOOKING AT THIS IS THE. WELL, FIRST OFF, I WANT TO SAY THAT I DID TAKE A DRIVE JUST THROUGH THERE AND DOWN IN THERE IN THE FLOODPLAIN.

IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. IT REALLY LIKE, A HOUSE. I THINK AS FAR AS BEING IN A LITTLE SUBDIVISION LIKE THAT, HAVING A HOUSE THAT OVERLOOKS LIKE THAT IT'S ONE OF THE NICER AREAS, I THINK, AT LEAST ESTHETICALLY IN PRINCETON.

SO I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT IT REALLY DOES LOOK NICE IN THERE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. WELL, WE HAVE MADE A VERY STRONG PRESENCE HERE IN PRINCETON WITH WINCHESTER ALONE.

THIS IS THE LAST PHASE, PLANNED PHASE OF WINCHESTER, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW.

THE DEVELOPER IS VERY PROUD AND HAS HEARD NOT ONLY CITY COUNCIL, BUT THE P&Z COMMISSION ON WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT THE GOALS ARE NOT ONLY OF THE CITY, BUT FOR NEIGHBORHOODS MOVING FORWARD WITHIN PRINCETON.

AND THEY TOOK IT TO HEART. WE SPENT THE LAST THREE MONTHS METICULOUSLY TAKING CARE OF THOSE OPEN SPACES AND GETTING THEM READY FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU GOING OUT THERE. APPRECIATE YOU SEEING IT.

AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF WHERE THIS PHASE SITS.

IT DOES LOOK REALLY NICE OUT THERE. AS FAR AS THE THE FLOODPLAIN WAS ONE OF MY BIGGER CONCERNS OUT THERE.

AND THE FLOODPLAIN SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU. I DON'T KNOW.

IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN BRING UP? OH, IT IS ON THE MAP UP THERE.

SO LOTS 40 AND 41, POTENTIALLY 39. IT'S HARD TO SEE WITHOUT ZOOMING WAY IN.

ARE THOSE? THE FLOODPLAIN, THE 100-YEAR FLOODPLAIN, IT GOES ALONG WHERE THE RETAINING WALL IS.

THAT IS CORRECT. AND LOOKING AT THE ENGINEER PLANS IT SHOWS THAT THE FLOODPLAIN ACTUALLY GOES ABOUT HALFWAY UP THAT WALL, AT LEAST AT THE CORNER THERE. THE FLOODPLAIN GOES UP AND NOT QUITE HALFWAY.

I MEAN, IT'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL WALL THERE.

ONE THING IN THIS AREA SPECIFICALLY TO NOTE IS THE VELOCITIES THROUGH THIS AREA.

WE REALLY WANT TO KEEP THE VELOCITIES DOWN, IN ANY SITUATION THAT WE'RE BACKING UP AND WE HAVE LOTS THIS CLOSE.

THE VELOCITIES IN THIS AREA AT 100-YEAR FLOOD.

SO THE MAXIMUM FLOOD THAT WE DESIGNED FOR THE MAXIMUM FLOOD IN YOUR CODE IS 1.53FT PER SECOND.

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NOW THAT MIGHT NOT MEAN A LOT TO EVERYONE. BUT IT RESULTS IN ABOUT ONE MILE AN HOUR.

SO EROSION, SOMETHING THAT WE'RE VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS.

WE'VE ALLEVIATED THAT. THE EXISTING EROSION THAT HAPPENED ALONG THIS CREEK, I.E.

MAKING IT A CREEK WAS AROUND 5 TO 6FT PER SECOND, SO YOU'VE GOT ABOUT SEVEN, EIGHT MILES PER HOUR THERE.

SO THAT'S WHEN WE GET THOSE EROSIVE CONDITIONS.

WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE WORKED OUR NORTH SOUTH ROAD TO ACTUALLY SLOW THIS WATER UP AND DETAIN FROM THE DOWNSTREAM INFRASTRUCTURE SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO RELEASE PRE-PROJECT FLOWS, BUT ALSO REDUCE OUR EROSION EVEN WITHIN A SECTION OF CREEK THAT PREVIOUSLY WAS QUITE EROSIVE.

SO WE'RE HOPING TO ELIMINATE NOT ONLY THOSE EROSIVE CONDITIONS, BUT ANY DOWNSTREAM SEDIMENT THAT COULD HAVE COME OUT OF THIS.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, WE'VE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED THE AREA WITH GRASSES, SODS AND REALLY TRY TO GET SOME GOOD NATIVE PLANT MATERIALS IN THAT AREA.

MY QUESTION IS REGARDING THE FACT THAT IT'S A FLOOD ZONE.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. IS THE RETAINING WALL THAT THAT RUNS, THAT LOTS 40-41 SIT ON, THAT RETAINING WALL WILL TECHNICALLY BE OWNED BY THOSE HOMEOWNERS.

RIGHT? THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN HOA WALL OR ANYTHING. THAT IS CORRECT. SO BECAUSE THAT IS ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY OF THOSE HOMEOWNERS.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY HAVE FLOOD ZONE MARKED ON THEIR PROPERTY.

IS THAT GOING TO LEAD TO THEM NEEDING. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.

THE ANSWER IS NO. THOSE ARE NOT FLOODPLAIN LOTS.

THE ACTUAL FLOODPLAIN LINE COMES UP THE WALL, BUT THE OWNERSHIP LINE IS THE FACE OF THE WALL.

AND SO THE FACE OF THE WALL AS IT EXTENDS INTO THE OPEN SPACE IS PART OF IT.

SO FLOODPLAIN, FLOOD INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS IT'S A NO.

BUT ALSO THIS IS NOT FEMA FLOODPLAIN HERE. SO WE MAY BE CONFUSING TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF FLOODPLAIN.

FEMA FLOODPLAIN TYPICALLY BRINGS IN THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

THIS IS JUST 100-YEAR FLOODPLAIN THAT'S MODELED AND REQUIRED BY YOUR ORDINANCE TO BE SHOWN ON THE PLAT, NOT FEMA FLOODPLAIN IN THIS LOCATION. IF THIS WAS FEMA FLOODPLAIN, WHAT WE WOULD THEN HAVE DONE TO GET THESE AREAS OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN, WHICH PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE NOT, IS TO DO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STUDY IN THESE AREAS FOR THAT.

AND WHAT ABOUT THE ENGINEERING FOR THE WALL? HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT MUCH WATER? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO WHAT WE DO ON OUR RETAINING WALLS IS THESE ARE STRAIGHT ENGINEERED RETAINING WALLS. THESE ARE NOT JUST GRAVITY RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE BUILT, THROWN UP, AND WE'RE LETTING THE STONE ACT AS A GRAVITY SUPPORT FOR THE FOR THE WALL BEHIND IT. I HAVE THE GLOBAL STABILITY CALCULATIONS THAT I AM HAPPY TO LEAVE WITH YOU IF YOU'VE EVER GONE THROUGH THEM. WHAT YOU WILL SEE, I ACTUALLY TABBED THIS SPECIFIC LOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IT HAS THREE DIFFERENT CROSS SECTIONS THAT WE HAVE A GLOBAL STABILITY ANALYSIS AND THE FULL DESIGN OF THIS RETAINING WALL.

AND THE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS OF THIS THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT YOUR GEOPHYSICAL CONDITIONS AND GEOTECHNICAL REPORTS THAT ARE SURROUNDING THIS AREA, AS WELL AS, LIKE I SAID, IN THIS 40 FOOT BY 110 FOOT LOT, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT CROSS SECTIONS OF WHERE THIS APPLIES AND HOW THIS WALL IS DESIGNED NOT ONLY FROM SLIP, BUT FOR ANY PASSIVE AND ACTIVE CONDITIONS THAT ARE WITHIN THE AREA AND SHOWS THEN.

SO WHAT I'LL ALSO DO IS I'LL HAND YOU THE RETAINING WALL DESIGN FOR THAT LOT AS WELL.

THAT SHOWS THAT THIS RETAINING WALL ACTUALLY GOES TO THE ELEVATION OF THE BOTTOM OF THE CREEK.

I'LL FIND IT. I'LL FIND IT. I'VE GOT PAPERS HERE.

THE GLOBAL STABILITY, THAT'S BASICALLY, IT'S A BALANCE OF THE FORCES ON THE WALL TO SAY IT IS STABLE UNDER PARTICULAR CONDITIONS, INCLUDING THE SOIL FROM ONE SIDE AND THE POTENTIAL WATER FROM THE OTHER.

IF WE WERE TO HAVE 100-YEAR FLOOD DURING THE TIME THAT IS STANDING.

THAT AND MORE SO IT ALSO TAKES INTO ACCOUNT LITERALLY THE SOIL BEARING PRESSURES THAT ARE DOWNSTREAM AND UPSTREAM OF THE RETAINING WALL ITSELF. AND SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THAT REPORT ARE ACTUALLY THE ARCH, ARCHES.

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SO IN A FAILURE SITUATION YOU HAVE THE SLIP PLANES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE RETAINING WALL.

AND THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HERE HAS TAKEN ALL OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WALL WAS BUILT DEEP ENOUGH TO WHERE WE AVOID THOSE PLANES.

THIS ALSO GETS SENT TO THE FOUNDATION ENGINEER, FOR THE HOMES.

AND SO THE FOUNDATION ENGINEER IS DESIGNING OFF OF THE EXACT SAME GLOBAL STABILITY.

NOW I WANT TO POINT OUT THIS GLOBAL STABILITY IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY OF PRINCETON, IN THIS CASE. BUT WE WERE ALWAYS GOING TO DO THIS FOR NOT ONLY THESE RETAINING WALLS, BUT OTHER RETAINING WALLS, AS YOU'LL SEE. THAT'S A LARGE DOCUMENT. IT HAS ALL OF THE STABILITY REPORTS FOR THE RETAINING WALLS IN ANY AREA THAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER DEEMED APPROPRIATE TO GO AHEAD AND DO A CALCULATION ON.

I THINK THAT WAS PART OF MY QUESTION, THAT IT IS ENGINEERED.

MY QUESTION IS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS IS, HOW DO WE, AFTER GRADING THE RETAINING WALL IS BUILT THAT IS INSPECTED TO VERIFY THAT IT'S BUILT PER THAT DESIGN.

ARE YOU SIGNING OFF OR SOMEONE COMING IN AND SAYS, YES, THIS MEETS MY DESIGN INTENT.

I'M NOT SAYING YOU. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO DOES THAT.

SO WE HIRED THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT DID THAT REPORT THAT ALSO DESIGNED THE RETAINING WALLS TO DO OBSERVATION.

AND SO AGAIN, NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY OF PRINCETON, BUT WE HEARD CITY COUNCIL, WE HEARD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

THIS IS A PRIORITY. THIS IS A PRIORITY. NOT NOT ONLY IN PRINCETON BUT SHOULD BE WITHIN THE CODES.

AND WE HAD THEM ISSUE THE LETTER OF NOT ONLY OBSERVATION AND THE DATES THAT THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WAS OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY IN CRITICAL AREAS AND CRITICAL TIMES WHEN WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE CONSTRUCTION TO ENSURE THAT THE CONTRACTOR IS MOVING THAT PROJECT FORWARD CORRECTLY.

SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS UNDER HIS PURVIEW, THAT HE VERIFIES THAT IT MEETS HIS DESIGN INTENT.

CORRECT? CORRECT. BECAUSE HE'S THE ONE WHO KNOWS HIS DESIGN BEST.

IF I WENT OUT IN THE FIELD AND LOOKED AT IT, IT WOULD ONLY MEAN SO MUCH.

I'M A LICENSED ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND I WOULDN'T TRUST MYSELF IN THAT SITUATION.

SO WE HIRED HIM TO DO, BASED ON NOT ONLY HIS GLOBAL STABILITY REPORT, BUT ALSO TO TURN AROUND, DESIGN THE RETAINING WALL AND DO THE OBSERVATION AS WELL.

ARE THESE SOIL ANALYZES, ARE THEY THEORETICAL OR LIKE, AS IN.

ACTUAL. SO IT'S AFTER THE FACT THEY TAKE, AFTER THEY'VE COMPACTED THE SOIL AND EVERYTHING.

WELL, IT'S BASED ON ORIGINAL CONDITIONS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHEN WE START THE RETAINING WALLS, WE HAVEN'T PLACED THE FILLS.

SO THE FILL IS BACKFILLED ON THE WALL ACCORDING TO THE GEOTECHNICAL RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND SO IT'S BUILT TOGETHER. IT'S NOT. WE DON'T BUILD THE GRADES THEN CUT OUT THE RETAINING WALL, BECAUSE WE WANT TO STAY WITH NATIVE SOIL. NATIVE SOIL IS ALWAYS BETTER IN TYPICALLY IN THIS CASE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE BUILDING A FOUNDATION ON IT.

AND THEN STRUCTURALLY BUILD THAT VERTICALLY. I GUESS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ASK IS.

SO THE SOIL SAMPLES AND WHAT YOU HAVE, WHAT YOU SHOW HERE, IT WAS PREEXISTING, MEANING WE DON'T HAVE ACTUAL SOIL SAMPLES OF UP TOP WHERE THE HOMES ARE AFTER THE RETAINING WALLS ARE BUILT AND THE SOILS FILLED IN.

AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS BECAUSE OF OBVIOUSLY SOIL COMPACTION HAS A LOT TO DO WITH WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF EROSION BEHIND THERE.

AND I DIDN'T DO A LOT OF WALKING AROUND OVER THERE, BUT I DID SEE LIKE RIGHT AT THE CORNER AT.

I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A QUICK PEEK AT THE WORST, WHAT I THOUGHT MIGHT BE THE WORST AREA.

AND THERE WAS MAYBE 18IN DEEP OF SOIL THAT HAD BEEN WASHED OUT.

AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH THAT IS LIKE, ARE WE SEEING ACTUAL, ACTUALLY SOIL COMPACTION TESTED SOIL THAT SHOWS HOW COMPACT IT WAS AFTER THE FACT, AS YOU WOULD, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, START BUILDING A HOMES FOUNDATION. FALKOFSKE, THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, DID NOT DO THAT.

HE IS NOT A SOIL ENGINEER. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS DURING OUR LIFT PLACEMENTS, WE HAVE OUR SOIL ENGINEER OUT THERE DOING THOSE LIFT TESTS.

I APOLOGIZE, I DID NOT BRING THOSE WITH ME, BUT THAT IS STANDARD PRACTICE BECAUSE WHAT WE ISSUE IS AND WE ASK THE STRUCTURAL TO DO HIS PART, I N THIS CASE ALPHA TESTING OR UES TESTING. DID THE SOIL LIFT TESTING AS THEY BROUGHT THE NATIVE MATERIAL BACK UP AND DID THEIR COMPACTIONS. AND SPECIFICALLY, AS THIS IS QUITE CLOSE TO A HOME, WE HAVE THAT ENGINEER,

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WHICH IS, AGAIN, A GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER. THEY COME IN AND ISSUE WHAT'S CALLED A 79G LETTER, WHICH I'M THINKING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

AND THAT SHOWS THAT THE COMPACTION WAS DONE AND TESTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR REPORT, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THE STRUCTURAL.

THE STRUCTURAL HE WATCHED THE WALL AND THEN THE SOIL GUY WATCHED THE SOIL.

WE DON'T PLAY IN EACH OTHER'S SANDBOX BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT EXPERTS IN ALL FIELDS.

OKAY. SO THEY'RE NOT HERE. BUT THE SOIL COMPACTION WAS TESTED AFTER FILL.

CORRECT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S TURNED OVER TO THE CITY.

DOES THE CITY SEE THAT OR IS THAT JUST GO TO OUR HIRED ENGINEERS? KIMLEY-HORN. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN ANSWER.

THE 79G LETTER. CRAIG, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A LETTER THAT Y'ALL RECEIVE OR NOT.

IT'S NOT A LETTER THAT WE CURRENTLY REQUIRE, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATING AS STAFF TO REQUIRE.

OKAY, AND I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T BRING IT ON THIS ONE.

I KIND OF AGAIN FOCUSED ON THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE WALL ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

BUT THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. ALL OF THESE SOILS AND PLACEMENT OF THE SOILS WAS TESTED AND BACKFILLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GEOTECHNICAL REPORT.

CAN YOU GIVE ME A BALLPARK FIGURE ON HOW DEEP THE FOOTER IS OF THAT WALL? AT THE TALLEST PART THERE, JUST A BALLPARK. YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED.

I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE A LITTLE OVER FIVE FEET.

LET ME SEE. I THOUGHT I HAD IT. IT.

I'VE GOT IT HERE. FINALLY FOUND MY PAPER. IT.

THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOTER GOES JUST ABOVE, LET'S SAY, FIVE 22.5.

IN THE BOTTOM OF WALL IS 5.29. SO 6.5FT, SIX AND CHANGE, 6 TO 7FT BELOW WHERE THE BOTTOM OF THE VISUAL RETAINING WALL IS, IS WHERE THE STONE HAS BEEN STACKED.

AND I'LL GIVE THAT STRUCTURAL DESIGN TO YOU AS WELL.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S BASED ON THE GLOBAL STABILITY THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR HAND AS WELL AS THE STRUCTURAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED. AND IF YOU PAY, REALLY DIVE INTO THAT CROSS SECTION. WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT RETAINING WALL IS ACTUALLY BUILT DOWN TO THE FLOW LINE OF THE CREEK.

SO YOU ALSO HAVE A LINE ON THERE THAT IS A 4 TO 1.

IT'S CALLED AN EROSION HAZARD SETBACK. NOT REALLY AN ORDINANCE WITHIN THE CITY OF PRINCETON, BUT A LOT OF CITIES HAVE BEEN KIND OF MOVING TOWARDS THIS.

THAT EROSION HAZARD SETBACK, WE WENT AHEAD AND PLOTTED ON THERE AS WELL.

AND WHAT IT SHOWS IS THAT WE'VE LAID THIS CREEK BACK IN THIS AREA SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE REQUIRED 4 TO 1 SLOPES, AGAIN TO REDUCE ANY POSSIBILITY FOR EROSION. AND IN THIS CASE, IT ALLOWED US TO ESTABLISH THAT AREA WITH GRASSES AND REALLY GET A GOOD ROOT BASE IN THERE ON THE BASE OF THESE WALLS. I NOTICED THAT THERE'S NO LIKE, DATE OR ANYTHING ON THESE.

IS THIS JUST BECAUSE IT WAS JUST LIKE A PRELIMINARY? THAT EXHIBIT IT'S NOT PRELIMINARY. NO. THAT EXHIBIT I ASKED FOR TODAY JUST IN CASE YOU ALL ASKED FOR IT.

AND SO THEY MADE THAT QUICK EXHIBIT FOR ME. THAT'S OUT OF THEIR STRUCTURAL DESIGN.

SO IT IS SIGNED, DATED. IT'S ACTUALLY. THIS ISN'T JUST A COPY OF IT.

THEY JUST PRINTED IT OUT FOR YOU AND THEREFORE THEY DIDN'T HAVE.

CORRECT. BECAUSE, YES, IN THEIR ENGINEERING DRAWINGS THAT THEY HAVE ASSOCIATED, THAT THEY PROVIDE TO NOT ONLY TO US BUT TO OUR CONTRACTOR.

AGAIN, NOT A REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY OF PRINCETON.

WE REQUIRE THIS, AND SO THESE ARE SIGNED AND DATED BY ERIC GARCIA WITH FALKOFSKE ENGINEERING, AND THEY'RE DATED FEBRUARY 12TH OF 2024, PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION.

THANK YOU SIR. I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. ON LOT 24 THE RETAINING WALL SEEMS TO ALREADY BE COLLAPSING.

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I DO HAVE A PHOTO OF IT THAT I CAN. MISS ELLIS, JUST SO I HEARD YOU CORRECT.

YOU SAID THAT THE RETAINING WALLS ARE COLLAPSING? ON LOT 24, YES. ON LOT 24. I PERSONALLY VISUALLY INSPECTED THESE ALL LAST WEEK, AND I SAW NO COLLAPSING.

DO YOU HAVE ANY? DO YOU MIND? IS IT.

ARE YOU READY TO ORDER RIGHT AWAY? DO YOU HAVE A DATE ON THAT PHOTO? YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY. WHAT THAT LOOKS TO BE IS SOME SETTLEMENT BEHIND A RETAINING WALL.

THAT RETAINING WALL. I JUST VISUALLY IT LOOKED TO BE UNDER THREE FEET IN ELEVATION.

AND SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE BATTER BEHIND THAT.

THAT IS, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A GRAVEL POCKET.

AND SO TO THERE IT JUST LOOKS, AGAIN, ON A PRIVATE LOT.

BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT RETAINING WALL STRUCTURALLY STILL SOUND.

WE JUST HAD SOME SETTLEMENT OF THE SOIL BEHIND IT.

WHEN YOU WERE OUT THERE VISUALLY LOOKING AT THESE, DID YOU SEE CRACKING OF THE RETAINING WALLS THAT WOULD SHOW STRUCTURAL INSTABILITY, MISS ELLIS? WELL, THE CONCERN IS THAT THERE ARE ROCKS.

THE TOP PART OF THE RETAINING WALL DOES HAVE CRACKS IN IT, AND WITH AS DEEP AS IT'S GOING THAT COULD CAUSE POTENTIAL FOUNDATION AND FLOODING UNDER IT TO CAUSE THE REST OF IT TO COLLAPSE.

A THREE FOOT RETAINING WALL WITH A PROXIMITY OF ABOUT 20FT FROM A FOUNDATION WON'T HAVE A SLIP PLANE THAT ASSOCIATES WITH THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOME.

BUT I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. PER THAT PHOTO, IT DIDN'T LOOK STRUCTURALLY UNSTABLE TO ME, BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE HAVING OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER GO OUT AND WRITE A LETTER BASED ON THAT.

I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THE REBAR. THERE'S NOT REBAR IN THESE, MA'AM.

CAN YOU SEE THAT RIGHT THERE? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY JUST TRASH THAT WAS IN THE SOIL.

OKAY. YEAH. SO SOME TYPE OF DIRTINESS THERE.

IT'S. YEAH, IT JUST APPEARS THAT IT NEEDS SOME POINTING OR IT NEEDS SOME MORE GRAVEL FROM THE BACK END.

WHO KNOWS? OVER TIME, MAYBE THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE, BUT I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.

I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, ONCE THE ENGINEERS GO OUT, THEY DESIGN IT.

THEY COME OUT AND INSPECT IT. THEY SAID, HEY, IT MEETS MY DESIGN INTENT SIGN OFF AND CRAIG AND COLE, YOU GUYS MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WHAT IS THE CITY'S OBLIGATION TO VERIFY THAT THAT ENGINEER HAS DONE HIS JOB? IS ANYBODY FROM THE CITY THAT VERIFIES THAT ALL THE ENGINEERS HAVE MET THEIR REQUIREMENT, AND IT'S ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED FOR THAT PLAN? YES, WE COLLECT THAT SAME LETTER THAT THE APPLICANT, JOSH, HAD MENTIONED THAT THE DESIGN ENGINEER CERTIFIED THAT THE WALLS HAVE BEEN BUILT PER THEIR PLAN. I'D LIKE TO REITERATE AS WELL THAT UPON BUILDING INSPECTIONS.

OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS ALSO LOOK AT THESE WALLS AND IF THERE'S MAJOR ISSUES WITH THEM, THEN THE HOMES WON'T BE FILED AND THERE WON'T BE CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY ISSUED IF THE WALLS ARE OBVIOUSLY FAILING. IT'S HANDLED THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS LEVEL AS WELL.

YEAH, I THINK I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF, I THINK THE LANDSCAPING, GRADING, RETAINING WALLS ALWAYS BEEN A QUESTION MARK. SO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING CLARITY ON THAT.

DOES THAT HAPPEN IN MULTIPLE PHASES? LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF I GET A FENCE, IF I BUILD A FENCE ON MY HOME, THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE VISIT THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, HOW MANY VISITS FOR RETAINING WALLS LIKE THESE? OR IS THE CITY GOING TO HAVE INSPECTORS OUT THERE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS? TYPICALLY. THE CITY HAS SEVERAL FINAL WALKS OF THESE PROPERTIES.

FOR THIS ONE, I WANT TO SAY WE WERE OUT THERE FIVE TIMES AND HAVE LOOKED AT THE WALLS, AND HAVE MADE THE DEVELOPER AWARE, THAT THESE NEED TO BE COMPLETED AND STRUCTURALLY SOUND BY THE TIME OF APPROVAL.

AND AS FAR AS BUILDING INSPECTIONS GO, I BELIEVE IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW MANY TIMES INSPECTIONS ARE CALLED FOR THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS.

SO SPECIFIC TO THE WALLS THOUGH, TO THE RETAINING WALLS.

DO YOU ALL DO IT LIKE YOU WOULD FOR ME IF I WAS BUILDING A FENCE WHERE YOU COME OUT AND LOOK AT IT THROUGH DIFFERENT PHASES OF THE BUILD THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED?

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I THINK, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I MAY HAVE MISHEARD YOU.

IT SEEMED LIKE YOU WERE REFERENCING THE VISITS THAT YOU MAKE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

BUT I'M ASKING LIKE SPECIFICALLY, IS SOMEBODY MAKING TRIPS OUT THERE THROUGH MULTIPLE PHASES OF BUILDING THESE RETAINING WALLS TO SEE THE DIFFERENT STAGES OF THE BUILD? MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FOLLOWING THE ENGINEERED PLANS.

YES. WE HAVE CIVIL INSPECTORS THAT ROUTINELY VISIT THESE PROJECTS WHILE THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, AND WE DO NOT BRING IT FORWARD TO YOU UNTIL WE HAVE THAT LETTER FROM THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THAT THE WALLS WERE BUILT AS DESIGNED.

YEAH. AND IF I MAY ADD SOMETHING TOO, TYPICALLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF THEY'RE NOT DOING ELECTRICAL INSPECTION, THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE WALL THERE AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE ELECTRICAL, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE FRAME. NOW, IF THEY'RE COMING IN AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE FREEBOARD OR SOME TYPE OF FINAL GRADE FOR THE LOT, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTION SIDE. BUT NOT EVERY TRADE THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE INSPECTION PROCESS ON THE HOME THEY'RE LOOKING AT RETAINING WALLS. THEY'RE CERTAIN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME IN THE DAY OR ENOUGH MANPOWER TO LOOK AT THAT INTRICATE DETAIL.

NOW THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A FENCE ON THAT FOOTING OR SOMETHING ON THAT RETAINING WALL. OBVIOUSLY, THE RETAINING WALL WOULD HAVE TO BE DESIGNED TO THAT, TO HOLD THE WITHSTAND OF A FENCE. BUT YEAH, TRADE BY TRADE, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE WALL.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE ELECTRICAL INSPECTION, THE MECHANICAL INSPECTION, THE FRAME, BUT THEY WOULD LOOK AT IT FROM A FINAL WALK THROUGH.

MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE THEY DO CO, AS COLE MENTIONED EARLIER, ANYTHING THAT I WOULD ASSUME THAT HAS ANY TYPE OF GRADE OR ANY TYPE OF DRAINAGE SITUATION UP, THAT'S TYPICALLY WHEN THEY WILL LOOK AT THOSE TYPE OF MORE, I GUESS, HOLISTIC THINGS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. GIBBS. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A PLAN AS FAR AS HOW TO TACKLE THIS IN THE FUTURE.

SO THERE'S JUST NO QUESTION, AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT.

I GUESS THIS IS MORE ABOUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN FRONT OF US.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING THAT. WELL, BEFORE I ASK MY NEXT QUESTION, DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE RETAINING WALL? SPECIFICALLY.

OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DID HAVE ONE MORE ABOUT THE RETAINING WALLS.

I DID NOT SEE ANY. ARE THEY DESIGNED? I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD THE DESIGN PLANS FOR THEM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT YOU BROUGHT AND WHAT YOU ALREADY SHOWED US WAS THE EXTENT OF IT, BUT I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THEY HAVE LIKE A FRENCH DRAIN TYPE SYSTEM AT THE BASE OF THEM BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ANY DRAINS OTHER THAN LIKE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER KIND OF LIKE WEEP HOLES, THE SMALLER PVC PIPES THAT ARE STICKING OUT. IS THERE ANY TYPE OF FRENCH DRAIN SYSTEM AT THE AT BASE THAT WOULD BE BELOW THOSE? AT THE FOOTER OF THE WALL? NO. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS YOU DON'T WANT A FRENCH DRAIN SYSTEM AT THE BASE OF A RETAINING WALL.

THAT WOULD BE A POROUS AREA THAT WOULD THEN DILUTE, ULTIMATELY THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE FOOTING OF THAT WALL.

AND SO THE DRAIN SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY ON TALLER WALLS.

SHORT WALLS, YOU WON'T HAVE THEM, THEY JUST HAVE THE WEEP HOLES.

TALLER WALLS HAVE A GRAVEL BASKET THAT'S ENGINEERED AND DESIGNED BEHIND IT THAT ALLOWS THAT WATER TO ALLEVIATE.

IT HELPS TO AVOID THE SITUATION OF WATER STACKING UP ON THE BACK OF A TALLER WALL, BUT ON THE FOOTER OF A WALL, ESPECIALLY WHERE WATER IS EXPECTED TO GO AWAY FROM THAT AREA, THAT WOULD BE A POOR CHOICE TO PUT A FRENCH DRAIN SYSTEM THERE.

WE DON'T HAVE RETAINING WALLS HERE THAT HAVE WATER THAT IS BEING CHANNELED AGAINST IT, AND THAT MAY BE WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO.

WHAT ABOUT. SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS HERE.

JUST A BALLPARK. AND CONSIDERING ALL THE BUILDING CONDITIONS THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH AT A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, ROUGHLY WHAT HEIGHT OF WALL WOULD YOU CONSIDER PUTTING A FRENCH DRAIN SYSTEM IN? SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING ONCE YOU GO TO A TALLER WALL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CONSIDER THAT.

BUT LET ME. YEAH. LET ME DIG THROUGH RIGHT QUICK.

JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A SECOND. THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN HERE.

IT SAYS IT'S JUST A LITTLE OVER THREE FEET. AND SOME OF THE WALLS HAVE THEM STARTING CLOSER TO TWO.

AGAIN, IT'S A LOT IS GOING TO BE BASED ON PROXIMITY TO A SOURCE.

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BUT ALSO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT SLIP PLANE OF THAT WALL, WHICH, AGAIN, IS WHY THE GLOBAL STABILITY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WHEN DESIGNING RETAINING WALLS. I DIDN'T SEE ANY WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, BUT IT MAY HAVE BEEN DUE TO THE LOAD. HOW MUCH WATER WAS ACTUALLY COMING THROUGH THERE, I DON'T KNOW. CORRECT. THEY'RE ALL GOING TO START ONE FOOT BELOW THE TOP OF THAT GRAVEL BASKET. UNDERNEATH AND BEHIND THAT WALL IS GOING TO START OVER WHAT'S CALLED A CLAY CAP.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT HELPS JUST MINOR WATER JUST BE ABLE TO PASS THROUGH AND NOT GO THROUGH THAT SYSTEM.

IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A FUNNEL SYSTEM OF WATER FROM THE TOP SOURCE, IT'S FROM WHAT'S INFILTRATED DOWN THAT GETS BEHIND THAT WALL THAT THEN IS ALLEVIATED.

FIRST OFF, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN VERY DETAILED ON A LOT OF THESE ANSWERS, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING PREPARED. ABSOLUTELY.

BECAUSE I'M LEARNING AND SO AS FAR AS, SINCE YOU'RE NOT DOING ANY TYPE OF FRENCH DRAINAGE SYSTEM, YOU JUST HAVE THOSE SMALLER PIPES, THAT I WOULD CONSIDER LIKE WEEP POLES, COMING THROUGH THE THROUGH THE WALL.

I DID NOTICE THAT SOMETHING THAT I WAS THINKING IS ON THE CORNERS THAT HAVE THE LOWEST SLOPE, THAT'S LOWEST. I WAS EXPECTING TO MAYBE SEE SOME OF THOSE PIPES THERE SO THAT THERE'S NOT ADDITIONAL ACCUMULATION OF WATER AND WEIGHT THAT'S BUILDING UP BEHIND THEM.

BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT. IT SEEMED LIKE IN EVERY SITUATION WHERE I PAID ATTENTION TO IT WAS QUITE ALWAYS BACK FROM THE CORNER.

AND I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, LIKE. WE WANT TO GET THE WATER AWAY FROM THAT CORNER, BECAUSE TYPICALLY AN INSIDE CORNER IS VERY STRUCTURALLY STRONG AND OUTSIDE CORNERS NOT, SO THAT GRAVEL BASKET WILL ACTUALLY GRAVITY FLOW DOWN TO THE WEEP HOLES ON THE OTHER SIDE, AGAIN, TRYING TO GET THE WATER OUT OF WHERE STRUCTURALLY IT'S YOUR WEAKEST POINT.

AND SO WE MOVE THAT WATER DOWN BY GRAVITY BEHIND THAT WALL TO GET TO THOSE WEEP HOLES, TO GET OUT.

PERHAPS I WASN'T CLEAR ENOUGH. SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE ONE CORNER THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT IS THE TALLEST PART OF THE WALL WHERE THE FLOOD ZONE IS, LOT 41.

THAT IS THAT CORNER OF THE WALL IS AT THE LOWEST ELEVATION AND IT'S, IT'S AN OUTSIDE CORNER.

SO IT'S THE WEAKER OF THE TWO. IT'S THE LOWEST PART OF ELEVATION.

SO I WAS, I WAS EXPECTING BECAUSE THAT'S THE LOWEST PART FOR WATER TO BE ABLE TO ACCUMULATE THAT THERE MIGHT BE CLOSER TO THE CORNER.

YOU'D ACTUALLY SEE THOSE. SEE, YOU KNOW, A WAY FOR THAT WATER TO ESCAPE.

AND SO, DID I MISUNDERSTAND YOU? YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S.

NO. WHAT YOU'RE NOT SEEING IS WHAT'S BEHIND THE WALL.

AND SO WE'LL STACK CLAY UP BEHIND THAT SECTION TO IMPEDE THAT WATER FROM STACKING UP IN THAT LOCATION AND ALLOWING IT TO FLOW DOWN.

NOW, WHAT YOU'LL ALSO SEE IS YOU WON'T SEE THOSE WEEP HOLES AT GROUND LEVEL.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH VARMINTS GETTING IN THOSE HOLES, EVEN I HAD THEM IN MY BACKYARD.

BABY BUNNIES IN THOSE WEEP HOLES. AND THAT CAUSES REAL PROBLEMS OVER THE LONG TERM.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE THEM UP. SO THAT BOTTOM ACTUALLY HAS A CLAY CAP THAT IS PUSHING THAT WATER AND GETTING IT DOWN TO THOSE WEEP HOLES IN THE LOWER LOCATIONS.

MOVING ON FROM THE RETAINING WALLS. AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ABSOLUTELY. FOR BEING SO DETAILED. AT THE SOUTHEASTERN CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S THE OTHER 100-YEAR FLOODPLAIN.

THERE'S A CREEK THAT RUNS EAST WEST ISH. AND THERE'S A IT'S LIKE A LITTLE SMALL RIPRAP THAT'S SET AND WHERE THAT DRAIN IS SUPPOSED TO GO, WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO.

MAYBE EASIER IF I CAN POINT IT OUT ON HERE. YES.

MR. FISHER, IS THERE ANY WAY YOU CAN GO TO. OH.

I'M SORRY. OKAY. YEAH. CAN YOU MOVE THE MOUSE DOWN TO WHERE THE DE IS SHOWING .

OKAY, SO RIGHT THERE. WELL, ACTUALLY, UP A LITTLE BIT IS WHERE.

I'M SORRY. UP TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER. I'M LOOKING AT IT WRONG.

I'M SORRY. FURTHER DOWN. IT'S AT THE BOTTOM EDGE OF THE MAP.

SO IN THAT AREA IS WHERE THE DRAINAGE GOES THROUGH THE RIPRAP ROCKS THAT YOU HAVE CEMENTED TOGETHER.

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AND WHERE THE WATER GOES INTO THERE, THERE'S LIKE A SMALL RIPRAP WRAPPED IN LIKE, CHICKEN WIRE STUFF AS IT NORMALLY IS, BUT IT'S STUCK RIGHT IN FRONT OF. IS THAT TO SLOW THE WATER DOWN AS IT EXITS THERE? BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS INHIBITING WHAT WAS OTHERWISE DESIGNED TO BE AN OUTFALL.

YEAH. SO THAT IS ACTUALLY AN EROSION CONTROL MEASURE THAT UNTIL WE GET THE AREA COMPLETELY STABILIZED, THAT WILL THEN GO AWAY. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT'S ACTUALLY A REQUIREMENT FROM OUR SWIFT INSPECTOR.

AND SO WHAT THAT'S DOING IS IT'S DOING ITS JOB NOW DURING LARGE EVENTS.

AND WHEN IT DOES GET OVERRUN WITH EITHER SEDIMENT OR GRASSES OR ANYTHING, WE GO IN AND PHYSICALLY CLEAN THAT OUT.

AND WE DO THAT THROUGHOUT CONSTRUCTION. OKAY.

AND SO THAT IS AN ITEM THAT IS ACTIVELY MONITORED BY OUR SWIFT INSPECTORS.

AND I SAW IT AS WELL, IT'S PERFORMING VERY WELL.

BUT YES, IT'S A WRAPPED, SO THE ROCK CAN'T GO.

THE ROCK IS JUST THERE TO FILTER. OKAY. AND Y'ALL JUST PAY ATTENTION TO HOW MUCH SILT IS COMING THROUGH THERE.

AND ONCE THE SILT STOP, YOU STOP SEEING ACCUMULATION OF THAT THEN.

YES, SO WE'RE REQUIRED TO MONITOR IT THROUGH OUR NOI.

AND UNTIL WE FILE THE NOT AT THE VERY END, ONCE EVERYTHING IS OVER 85% ESTABLISHED, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN.

THAT'S JUST A MAINTENANCE ITEM FOR US.

I MENTIONED THAT A LOT OF THOSE RIPRAPS WERE GROUTED.

I DIDN'T SEE IN THE CODE OR ANYTHING. I THINK THAT'S A STANDARD PRACTICE.

I DID NOTICE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS, AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT YOU KEEP AN EYE ON THROUGH THAT PERIOD OF HOW MUCH OF THAT EROSION. AND SO MY QUESTION IS, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THEM, I WAS SEEING SOME OF THEM, NOT ALL OF THEM HAD A LOT OF EROSION UNDERNEATH TO WHERE IT LOOKED LIKE.

WELL, MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, MY CONCERN WAS THAT IT WAS GOING TO CONTINUE ERODING IF IT'S ALREADY ERODED.

NOW AFTER, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY MONTHS THEY'VE BEEN IN PLACE THAT WELL, EITHER THEY'RE GOING TO SETTLE OR THEY'RE GOING TO START BREAKING INTO PARTS, INTO PIECES. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP AN EYE ON? IF YOU START TO SEE EROSION FROM UNDERNEATH OR BEHIND THOSE, SOME OF THEM ARE MORE VERTICALLY SET.

SO IT ACTUALLY ACTS TWOFOLD. THE GROUTING IT IN, WE CALL IT.

THE GROUTED RIPRAP, WHAT IT WILL DO IS, IT WILL NATURALLY FLOAT.

AND SO IT JUST DOESN'T ALLOW THE ROCKS TO GO, TO JUST ROLL DOWNSTREAM.

AND SO IT WILL NATURALLY SETTLE INTO A GOOD SPOT.

AND THEN. BUT YES, AS FAR AS THIS, THIS AREA IS AN HOA MAINTAINED AREA.

AND SO THE HOA WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT THROUGHOUT CONSTRUCTION AND THROUGHOUT AS IT WILL CONTINUE AND ANY REPAIRS THAT ARE NECESSARY, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THOSE IN THAT CASE. I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD ON WHY I'M ASKING ALL THESE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN I HAVE, AS SOME OF THE SOME OF THE PEOPLE MENTIONED DURING PUBLIC APPEARANCE, WE HAVE SEEN DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS OLD THAT WE HAVE RETAINING WALLS FALLING APART AND DRAINAGE ISSUES.

AND IT'S LEFT TO EITHER THE HOMEOWNER OR THE HOA.

SO I HOPE YOU'RE NOT OFFENDED BY ALL THE QUESTIONS.

IT'S REALLY JUST HAVING, YOU KNOW. NO, NOT AT ALL. I WORK WITH I WORK WITH THE HOA. I'VE WORKED WITH THE HOA HERE AT WINCHESTER FOR OVER A DECADE ON DIFFERENT AREAS.

WE WORKED ON ADJACENT SITES TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS WHERE THEY WERE NEEDED, WHERE THEY WEREN'T INITIALLY PLANNED.

WE, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE WORKED WITH CITY STAFF ON ANY ITEMS THAT HAVE COME UP, ANYTHING THAT I CAN PROVIDE AS FAR AS STRUCTURAL REQUIREMENTS, GLOBAL STABILITY REPORT, ENGINEERING DESIGNS FOR THE RETAINING WALLS.

WE ARE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THOSE ITEMS. I GUESS, I ASSUME YOU GOT. YOU SEEM TO BE REALLY ON TOP OF THIS STUFF.

I ASSUME YOU'RE AWARE OF THE ISSUE WE'RE DEALING WITHIN THE ETJ.

BECAUSE OF COURSE, EVERYTHING NORTH OF DRY BROOK IS CONSIDERED ETJ. AND THOSE ARE, AS OF NOW, OF COURSE, THINGS MAY CHANGE, BUT AS OF NOW, AS OF OCTOBER 1ST, THEY MAY NOT GET ANY FIRE SERVICES. AND THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

IT'S ACTUALLY IN LOWRY CROSSING. YES. AND WE HAVE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE WITH LOWRY CROSSING ON THAT END NORTH.

OKAY. YOU DO? OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. THE GREEN LINE IS CITY LIMITS AND ETJ LINES.

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PROPERTIES NORTH OF DRY BROOK WAY ARE NOT IN THE CITY'S ETJ.

SO YOU'RE SAYING ETJ IS TO THE WEST? NO, I DON'T THINK SO, BUT.

LOWRY CROSSING IS TO THE WEST AND TO THE NORTH.

YEAH. I THINK YOU'VE PRETTY MUCH TOUCHED ON EVERYTHING THAT I WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT.

AGAIN, IT LOOKS REALLY NICE IN THAT AREA. YOU SEEM LIKE YOU'VE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THIS AND PREPARED FOR THIS MEETING, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THE ONLY OTHER THINGS THAT, THE ONLY OTHER CONCERNS THAT I HAD WAS MORE SO PROCEDURAL.

AND I WAS HOPING THAT I HAD MENTIONED REQUESTED FOR THE FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR TO BE HERE.

IS. WHAT'S HIS NAME? I S HE HERE? NO, HE'S NOT HERE THIS EVENING.

I DID SEND YOU MY QUESTIONS IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY'S PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THE PROCEDURAL ISSUES THERE? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME. THE CITY'S ENGINEER NOR THE CITY'S FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR ARE HERE THIS EVENING.

OKAY. YEAH. AND IF I MAY, CRAIG, YOU MAY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

IS THE FLOODPLAIN PERMITS USUALLY ISSUED DURING, IF THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT IN A FLOODPLAIN, A FEMA FLOODPLAIN OF MY UNDERSTANDING. RIGHT? CORRECT, AND THERE IS NO FEMA FLOODPLAIN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ADD. AND EC IS REALLY THE CONDUIT FROM THE FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR STANDPOINT.

A LOT OF IT GETS SHIPPED OUT TO OUR REVIEW ENGINEERS, BECAUSE A LOT OF IT'S TECHNICAL IN NATURE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ON STAFF THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, REVIEW A HECK ANALYSIS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THOSE ARE USUALLY SHIPPED OUT TO OUR REVIEW ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET THAT.

BASIC FLOODPLAIN PERMITS, WHETHER IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A LOMR-F OR SOMETHING THAT'S BASED ON FILD OR SOMETHING LIKE SOMETIMES WE'LL LOOK AT THOSE, BUT MOST OF THE TIME IT'S GOING TO GET SHIPPED OUT TO OUR ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FINISHED FLOORS AND THE BFS ARE COPACETIC.

WELL, I GUESS AGAIN, THE QUESTION THAT I HAD REGARDING THAT WAS, DO WE ACTUALLY KNOW, DO THEY HAVE A PROCEDURE OR A PROCESS A. THAT'S EITHER OUTLINED BY ORDINANCE OR THAT IS PROCEDURAL TO BE ABLE TO RULE OUT A FEMA FLOOD ZONE IN THOSE AREAS? BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST EXPLAINED IS THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT, AND I.

AND EVERY TIME I LOOK AT THESE MAPS, I THINK TO MYSELF, OKAY I GET THAT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S NO FEMA FLOOD ZONE THERE, THAT BASED ON OUR ORDINANCES, WE HAVE A 100-YEAR FLOODPLAIN THAT IS DEFINED BY THE CITY OF PRINCETON ORDINANCES.

BUT I THINK TO MYSELF, IS THERE SOME SORT OF PROCEDURE TO TELL ME OR TO TELL EC FOR CERTAIN.

HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CALCULATED IT. HERE'S THE THEORETICAL BOUNDARIES OF WHAT FEMA FLOODPLAIN WOULD LOOK AT IN THESE CONDITIONS THAT FEMA CALCULATES IT UNDER.

AND WE CAN SEE THAT THOSE DON'T SHOW UP HERE.

OR IS IT JUST, YOU KNOW, A KIND OF A TRUST THING, LIKE THEY TELL US NO FEMA FLOOD ZONE AND WE RUN WITH THAT. YEAH. WRONG BUTTON THERE. YEAH. TYPICALLY YOUR FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATORS ARE SET UP BY AN ORDINANCE.

WHEN YOU ADOPT THE NFIP REGULATIONS, IT REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE A FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR TO HELP ADMINISTER THOSE THINGS, AND THAT USUALLY IS WHAT DICTATES THE BARE MINIMUM OF WHAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT FROM A FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR, WHICH IS BASICALLY FEMA FLOODPLAINS ONLY THAT ARE DEPICTED ON THE PANEL MAP, THE FIRM MAPS, OR OUR GIS MAPS, WHICHEVER ONE WE USE. YOU CAN USE BOTH.

BUT THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT THE ROLE THAT FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR DO IS TO ADMINISTER THE NFIP PROGRAM THAT IS ESTABLISHED, TYPICALLY BY ORDINANCE WITH THE FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR.

THEY'RE NOT TYPICALLY LOOKING AT A 100-YEAR DRAINAGE EVENT.

THEY'RE MORE LIKELY THEY'RE LOOKING AT A FEMA SITUATION THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, IF, LIKE I SAY, IF YOU HAVE TO PROCESS, YOU KNOW, A LOMA OR A LOMR, THEY'LL BASICALLY TAKE THAT STUDY, DEVELOPER USUALLY WRITES A CHECK FOR.

I'M GOING TO SHOW MY AGE A LITTLE BIT. BACK IN THE DAY, IT WAS $10,000, I THINK. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE SUBSTANTIALLY EXPENSIVE THESE DAYS. WE

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TAKE THAT, WE PASS IT ON TO OUR REVIEW ENGINEER, THEY BLESS IT, AND THEN AT THAT POINT IT GETS SENT TO FEMA, WHICH THEY'LL SAY, HEY, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. AND THEN SIX MONTHS, TO A YEAR, THEY'LL ISSUE A CLOSURE LETTER.

OUR ADMINISTRATOR, FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR, THAT'S REALLY THEIR ROLE IN THE ORGANIZATION RIGHT NOW, JUST TO ADMINISTER THE NFIP PROGRAM WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATION UMBRELLA.

HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. IT DOES. I THINK THAT GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE'VE SEEN AROUND HERE, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF ORDINANCE SAYING THAT THERE'S SOME PROCEDURAL PROCESS IN PLACE THAT GIVES SOME PEOPLE COMFORT.

IN ANY CASE, I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEYOND THIS MEETING, WHICH IS BUILDING STANDARDS FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AS CONCERNED ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THINGS STAND FOR A LONG TIME AND GO THROUGH THE ENGINEERING STANDARDS THAT IT APPEARS THAT THAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH. AND I HOPE THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE PUT A LOT INTO THAT, AND I HOPE THAT THAT HOLDS UP.

I DID NOT SEE THE MAJOR ISSUES THERE. I SAW MINOR ISSUES LIKE WHAT WE ALREADY BROUGHT UP, BUT I DID NOT SEE MAJOR ISSUES THERE THAT I HAVE SEEN AT OTHER AT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS.

AND THAT WAS THAT WAS VERY CLEAR. BUT THE MINOR ISSUES, THINGS COULD BE NITPICKED ON.

BUT I REALLY WAS IMPRESSED BY A LOT OF THINGS THAT I SAW.

ULTIMATELY THE QUESTION WAS THE WAY THAT IT'S SET UP NOW, THE CITY OF PRINCETON SAYS WE CANNOT BUILD A HOME THAT HAS FLOODPLAIN ON IT. IS THE DISTINCTION THERE SPECIFICALLY TO FEMA, OR ARE WE NOT ALLOWING ANY LOT TO HAVE FLOODPLAIN TOUCHING IT? OR IS THIS ISSUE THAT WE SEE IN LOTS 40 AND 41? AS JOSH MENTIONED HERE, BECAUSE OF THAT, IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT PLANE IS THE SEPARATOR AND YOU'RE SAYING THE WATER IS NOT. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THE WATER IS NOT CROSSING OVER THERE, THROUGH THE WALL, AND THEREFORE IT'S NOT PART OF THE FLOODPLAIN.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THE ORDINANCE SPECIFIC TO FEMA FLOODPLAINS OR IS IT TO OUR 100-YEAR FLOODPLAIN THAT SAYS WE CANNOT BUILD IN A FLOODPLAIN? BOTH, RESIDENTIAL HOMES ARE NOT PERMITTED IN FEMA FLOODPLAIN AND ALSO WITHIN ANY DRAINAGE AREA, ANY AREA THAT WOULD BE INUNDATED BY A 100-YEAR EVENT.

BY A CITY OF PRINCETON DEFINED 100-YEAR EVENT? CORRECT. HOMES MAY NOT BE IN EITHER FEMA FLOODPLAIN OR IN THE CITY DEFINED FLOODPLAIN.

AND SO THE PLAIN AT THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE WALL, WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT DOES NOT COUNT AS FLOODPLAIN, MEANING THE FLOODPLAIN ENCROACHES ONTO THAT WALL, ALMOST HALFWAY UP THE WALL, THAT EVEN THOUGH THAT'S THE PROPERTY OF THAT HOMEOWNER, WE'RE SAYING THAT THAT THE 100-YEAR FLOOD ZONE DOES NOT ENCROACH ONTO THAT PROPERTY, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT IT'S NOT GOING THROUGH THAT PLAIN. CORRECT. SO, GREG, IS IT A DRAINAGE EASEMENT, OR IS IT AN ACTUAL FLOODPLAIN, LIKE FROM A CITY'S FLOODPLAIN.

IT'S A DRAINAGE EASEMENT. IT'S AN AREA THAT IN THE 100-YEAR STORM EVENT, IT WOULD BE INUNDATED WITH WATER UP TO THE LIMITS SHOWN IN THE RED LINE HERE ON THIS PLOT.

IT'S NOT A FEMA FLOODPLAIN, BUT IT'S DEFINED BY THE CITY AS A FLOOD AREA.

IT'S BOTH, RIGHT? IT IS NOT A FEMA FLOODPLAIN.

RIGHT. BUT IT IS A 100-YEAR FLOODPLAIN DEFINED BY THE CITY OF PRINCETON ORDINANCES.

YES. AND IT'S A DRAINAGE EASEMENT. CORRECT. AND BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST TOLD ME, WE DO NOT ALLOW ANY PROPERTIES TO BE BUILT IN THE FLOOD ZONE IN THE CITY DEFINED 100-YEAR FLOODPLAIN.

SO I GUESS MY CONCERN AGAIN WAS, IN MY MIND, IT SEEMS KIND OF LAWYERY TO SAY, HEY, IT'S NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE IT COMES UP TO THE WALL.

AND ULTIMATELY, THIS HOPEFULLY WILL NEVER MATTER.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL NEVER GET A STORM EVENT THROUGH THERE.

BUT YOU KNOW, STATISTICALLY SPEAKING IT'S 1% CHANCE PER YEAR.

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AND I GUESS THE CONCERN WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO BUILDING THOSE WALLS IF THAT IS THE DISTINCTION WE'RE GOING TO MAKE AND WE SAY THAT IT MEETS CITY ORDINANCE, I REALLY HOPE THEY'RE AS STRONG AS YOU HAVE DESIGNED THEM TO BE OR.

WELL, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER DESIGNED THEM.

THE GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER PROVIDE THE SOIL BORINGS AND THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER PROVIDED THE CONSTRUCTION OBSERVATIONS.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE COULD, ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT CITY OF PRINCETON ORDINANCES ARE.

THERE LITERALLY IS NOTHING ELSE WE COULD DO TO MAKE THIS ANY BETTER AT THIS POINT.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT IT.

NO. OH, SORRY. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO, THAT YOU HAVE PUT INTO THIS. VERY IMPRESSIVE.

HOPEFULLY OTHER BUILDERS CAN TAKE A, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLE FROM WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

I WILL LEAVE MY CARD WITH THEM [LAUGHTER] RIGHT.

REGARDING CHAIRPERSON, HIS AND YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DRAINAGE AND THE FLOODPLAINS AND ALL THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT MAYBE WE COULD TAKE THAT TO A SIDE MEETING WITH CITY THEMSELVES AND, YOU KNOW, WORK ON SETTING UP AN ORDINANCE AND OTHER ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO FURTHER FOR THAT.

SO WITH THAT, MY QUESTION NOW TO COLE IS, SINCE THIS WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, IS THIS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO RE APPROVE OR DID WE ALREADY BASICALLY APPROVE IT? THIS WAS MOVED TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. I DO WANT TO ADD I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MAXINE.

I THINK IN GENERAL, THE DESIGN WAS THE THING THAT I WAS REALLY MAKING SURE THAT IT IS DESIGNED TO WITHHOLD, YOU KNOW FOR THIS DRAINAGE OR STORMWATER AND THAT IT'S INSPECTED.

THE BIGGEST DEAL THAT I'M SEEING IS WHAT'S ON THE LINE IS THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT RETAINING POND BEING MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.

AND I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S THAT'S NOT BEING DONE PROPERLY.

SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO KIND OF ADD TO SEE HOW DO WE LOOK AFTER THE CITIZENS? HOW DO WE KIND OF ENSURE THAT THESE HOAS ARE MAINTAINING.

AGREE. YEAH. AN EDUCATION OF SOMETHING TO THE HOAS.

YEAH, BUT SORRY I KNOW WE KNOW DOWN DEEP INTO IT I KNOW WE NEED TO GET TO THE VOTE OF THIS ACTUAL PLAT.

SO SORRY. GO AHEAD. ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE D.2 FINAL PLAT.

20221688. I'LL SECOND IT. GO AHEAD AND HAVE A VOTE.

5-0. IT PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

OKAY. NEXT IS FINAL PLAT OR ITEM F.1 FINAL PLAT. WHITEWING TRAILS PHASE 3A.

[F.1 FP20253082 Final Plat - Whitewing Trails Phase 3A - Discussion and possible action regarding a request from Centurion American Development Group for final plat approval for a property being a 29.800 acre tract of land situated in the David Cherry Survey, Abstract No. 166, City of Princeton, Collin County, Texas.]

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A REQUEST FROM CENTURION AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT GROUP FOR FINAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR A PROPERTY BEING A 29.8 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN THE DAVID SHERRY SURVEY.

ABSTRACT NUMBER 166, CITY OF PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS.

MR. DAVENPORT, THIS REQUEST IS FOR A CONDITIONAL FINAL PLAT APPROVAL OF A 29 ACRE TRACT SITUATED OFF OF DOWLIN PKWY, DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM GREEN ELEMENTARY. PROPERTY ZONED PD#10 AND THE USES ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

THIS PROJECT WAS IN PROGRESS PRIOR TO THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING MORATORIUM.

CITY STAFF AND ENGINEERS HAVE INSPECTED THE SUBDIVISION AND TWO ITEMS ARE OUTSTANDING, BEING THE COMPLETION OF A SCREENING WALL ALONG DOWLIN, IT'S A SMALL PORTION OF IT, AS WELL AS ENERGIZING THE STREET LIGHTS, WHICH THE DEVELOPERS JUST MADE ME AWARE OF, THAT THIS HAS BEEN COMPLETED TODAY. THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, WITH THE CONTINGENCIES BEING BOTH OF THESE ITEMS BEING COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE JULY 14TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MAY HAVE IN THE DEVELOPERS HERE AS WELL.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

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HOWEVER, I DO RECALL AT A RECENT CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT, AND MAYBE OUR LIAISON CAN SPEAK TO THIS, THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO ALLOW CONTINGENCY CONDITIONAL APPROVALS ANY LONGER.

ULTIMATELY, THIS PLOT NEEDS ACTING ON IN ORDER TO MEET THE 30 DAY SHOT CLOCK.

AND THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING THIS CONDITIONAL APPROVAL. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING OR THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS WILLINGLY BRINGING FORWARD.

THIS IS A REQUEST FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. YEAH.

THE ONLY THING I HAVE IS, I LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY IN GENERAL, AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS AS WE JUST HAD SOMEONE ELSE COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THAT ARE KIND OF OUTSTANDING. THERE'S THE DRAINAGE, THE AMENITIES, STREET LIGHTS , THE PARK EQUIPMENT.

SO IT SEEMS THAT THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE IN THE PREVIOUS PHASES, WE CONTINUE TO BUILD ON TO THESE NEW, NEW PHASES, BUT WE'RE HAVING TO ADDRESS THE PREVIOUS PHASES CONSTRUCTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DEVELOPER'S THERE, IF HE'S THERE TO ADDRESS WHY THOSE ITEMS AREN'T BEING ADDRESSED FIRST, AND NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO ANOTHER PHASE. I THOUGHT FOR SURE THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF STIPULATION THAT CERTAIN ITEMS, LIKE THE MINI CENTERS, NEEDED TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND DONE BEFORE WE MOVE TO A WHOLE OTHER PHASE.

NOW I SEE IT'S A PHASE A, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF A WORK AROUND TO MAKE SURE WE, PER WHATEVER AGREEMENT WE HAD. SO I WANTED THAT DEVELOPER AT LEAST TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT.

SORRY. AND TO ADD TO THAT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT WAS ALSO WHITEWING TRAILS.

SAY THAT FIVE TIMES FAST. THAT THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 23 PROPERTIES SOLD WITHOUT A CO, THAT WERE MENTIONED IN PHASE ONE. I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.

DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IN THE PAST TYPICALLY HAS NOT HAVE NOT FORMALLY ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES UNLESS THEY ARE REQUESTED BY THE BUILDER OR THE HOMEOWNER. ISSUING THOUSANDS OF PERMITS A YEAR, THAT JUST HASN'T BEEN A PRACTICE.

WE DO THE INSPECTIONS, WE HAVE THE INSPECTION REPORTS FOR THOSE HOMES.

BUT IN THE PAST, THE DEPARTMENT HAS NOT ALWAYS ISSUED A COS FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMES UNLESS REQUESTED.

WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE HOMEOWNERS THAT DON'T HAVE A CO? IF THEY WANT ONE, THEY CAN GET ONE. WE HAVE THE INSPECTION REPORTS AND WE CAN FORMALLY ISSUE THEM THE PIECE OF PAPER.

AND IT'S DATED FOR X NUMBER OF YEARS AFTER THE HOMES ARE BUILT, BOUGHT.

WE TAKE THAT INSPECTION REPORT AND WE COULD GENERATE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IF SO REQUESTED.

WHAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE INSPECTION REPORTS PERMITTING AND EVERYTHING? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE'S A THERE'S MANPOWER PAPERWORK ISSUE.

AND SO IF ALL OF THAT CAN BE PRODUCED, DOES THAT LEAVE CERTAIN THINGS BEING MADE UP IN ORDER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS? OR DO YOU JUST MAKE AN ASSUMPTION? WE MAINTAIN THE PERMIT DOCUMENTS, INSPECTION REPORTS FOR FIVE YEARS FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL HOMES.

WE HAVE THOSE DOCUMENTS. WE HAVE THOSE INSPECTION REPORTS.

IT'S NOT A MANNER. WE HAVE THEM. SO IF A HOMEOWNER REQUESTS THEM, WE CAN PRODUCE THE CO IF THEY SO REQUEST.

YEAH. AND TYPICALLY YOU USE THE FINAL AS WHAT YOU WOULD DO YOUR CO FOR WHEN YOU DO YOUR FINAL WALKTHROUGH.

THAT'S TECHNICALLY THE CO AS THEY APPROVE THAT FINAL WALKTHROUGH.

THAT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT TO A CO. SO IF WE HAVE THE FINAL WALKTHROUGH THE FINAL INSPECTION THAT DATE ON THAT FINAL INSPECTION, IF THEY PASS THAT FINAL INSPECTION WOULD SUFFICE AS THE CO.

A LOT OF COMMUNITIES DO FINAL INSPECTIONS OR COS, I'VE SEEN IT BOTH WAYS.

BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW YOU COULD COME UP WITH THAT DATA THAT CO IS BASED OFF THAT FINAL INSPECTION IF THEY PASSED IT.

AND THEN MR. COOPER ON A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU STATED, AS FAR AS THE STREET LIGHTS GO, THEY'RE IN THE GROUND, THEY'RE THERE. THE DEVELOPER SAID TODAY THAT THEY'VE BEEN ENERGIZED.

AS FAR AS THE AMENITY CENTER GOES, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT STATES THAT FOR PHASE THREE, BUILDING PERMITS CANNOT BE ISSUED UNTIL THE CLUBHOUSE AND CABANA ARE COMPLETED, AND THOSE ARE ACTIVELY UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

SO UNTIL THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED AND OPENED, THERE WON'T BE ANY BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED.

AND AS FAR AS SOME OF THAT DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE GOES, THE DEVELOPER SUPPLIES TWO YEAR MAINTENANCE BONDS THAT KICK IN AT THE APPROVAL OF THIS FINAL PLAT. SO FOR TWO YEARS, THE CONTRACTORS WHO BUILT IT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING ANY DAMAGES THAT HAPPEN TO THESE.

AND I BELIEVE IT'S PLAT NOTE NUMBER EIGHT ON THIS FINAL PLAT, THAT THE HOA IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE.

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I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THAT COS AGAIN, SO IF THE COS ARE NOT ISSUED, OBVIOUSLY THE YOUNG LADY THAT SPOKE ABOUT HER HOME AND JUST TOLD US ABOUT THESE PERMITTING ISSUES, SHE SAID SHE'S IN A LAWSUIT, SENIOR POSTS ONLINE.

AND ALL KINDS OF ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH HER HOME.

SO WHO MAYBE THIS IS A MR. LOWRY QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW.

IS THE CITY THEN LEFT TO LIABLE IF WE HAVE ALLOWED THAT TO OCCUR? ALLOWED THIS PERSON TO LIVE IN THAT HOME, AND NOT ISSUE A CO.

AND IF WE CAN'T PULL EVERYTHING TOGETHER TO SHOW WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT IT ACTUALLY PASSED INSPECTION.

NO, LIKELY NOT. BUT I DO WANT TO CAUTION THE COMMISSION A LITTLE BIT.

I THINK THIS TOPIC MIGHT BE A GOOD WORK SESSION TOPIC.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KIND OF GET TO THE PLAT ITSELF.

I THINK WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF KIND OF PROCESSES, ON HOW THE CITY REVIEWS, ET-CETERA. WHICH I THINK IS YOU'RE ASKING VALID QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD MAYBE TEE THIS UP FOR ANOTHER, MAYBE A WORK SESSION AS IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE PLAT BEFORE US THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU, MR. LOWRY. I DID NOTICE A FIRE HYDRANT WITH THE CAP OFF OF IT.

AND I'M NOT THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF THOSE FIRE HYDRANTS.

I KNOW THAT WE HAVE OUR WE HAVE DEPUTY CHIEF HERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER IT, BUT I DID SEE THAT 1 OR 2 FIRE HYDRANTS WITHIN THE PLAT.

AND I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME FURTHER NORTH OF IT.

AND MY CONCERN WAS, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY DON'T HAVE WATER RIGHT NOW IN ORDER TO RUN THOSE FIRE HYDRANTS? NO. THAT IS THAT'S INCORRECT. EVERY FIRE HYDRANT WITHIN THIS PHASE WAS INSPECTED BY THE CITY AND ACTUALLY FLOWED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MATCHED THE CORRECT PRESSURE AS WELL AS WATER TO THE HYDRANT. IF THE CAP IS UNSCREWED, THEY MOST LIKELY JUST HAVE TO SCREW IT BACK ON.

YEAH. WHEN YOU OPEN A FIRE HYDRANT, YOU TAKE OFF THE CAP AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER VALVE THAT HAS TO BE TURNED.

SO JUST BECAUSE THE CAP IS OFF DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE AREN'T PRESSURIZED, YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE OFF THE CAP AND THEN EXERCISE THE VALVE FOR THE WATER TO THEN FLOW.

BUT AS MR. COLE STATED, OR MR. DAVENPORT, EXCUSE ME.

ALL OF THE FIRE HYDRANTS WERE TESTED DURING THE FINAL INSPECTIONS.

THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. SINCE WE HAVE THE FOREMOST EXPERT IN THIS CITY HERE, WOULD YOU ALL MIND IF I ASKED HIM JUST TO LOOK AT THIS AND JUST CONFIRM WHAT YOU GUYS. NOT THAT I DON'T BELIEVE YOU, BUT WE DO HAVE THE BEST EXPERT IN THE CITY HERE WITH US.

AND I'M SORRY. THANKS COLE, TURNED IT OFF. EVENING COMMISSION.

SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, OUR FIRE HYDRANTS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND IN THE SOUTH ARE WHAT WE CALL A STEM FIRE HYDRANT.

THE VALVE IS BELOW GROUND WHERE IT WON'T FREEZE.

AND WE HAVE A LONG STEM THAT COMES UP TO THE TOP WHERE THE CAP IS.

WE UNSCREW THAT AND WATER COMES OUT. THAT FIRE HYDRANT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT ARE FROM UP NORTH WHERE THEY'RE WET HYDRANTS.

OURS ARE DRY HYDRANTS. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I KNOW THIS IS A SMALL ITEM, BUT ON THE PLAT APPLICATION THE FINAL PLAT IS MARKED.

HOWEVER, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS NOT THERE. HAVE THEY BEEN INVOICED? HAS IT BEEN PAID? YES. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN INVOICED.

IT WAS INVOICED ON JUNE 4TH AND THE AMOUNT WAS $1,070 EVEN.

THANK YOU. I SAW SOMEBODY POST ONLINE ABOUT A BUNCH OF LINE ITEMS ON THIS, AND THEY MENTIONED A MISSING CLUSTER MAILBOX IN THIS SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT AT THIS POINT SHOULD BE INSTALLED? BECAUSE I DID SEE ON THE OTHER END THE PART THAT IT'S NOT UP FOR APPROVAL YET.

THEY DID HAVE CLUSTER MAILBOX. IS IS THERE MAYBE MAILBOXES MISSING ON THIS SIDE? I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE DEVELOPER TO SPEAK ON THAT.

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AS FAR AS MAILBOXES GO, THOSE AREN'T NECESSARILY PART OF OUR ENGINEERING FINAL.

SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND LET THEM HANDLE THAT QUESTION. HI COMMISSION, TREVOR KOLLINGER, 1800 VALLEY VIEW LANE, DALLAS, TEXAS 75234. I'LL START WITH MAILBOXES AND THEN WE CAN GO TO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

CLUSTER MAILBOXES WILL BE PUT IN. THEY USUALLY GO IN RIGHT AFTER CITY ACCEPTANCE.

IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT BY THE CITY, BUT IT'S A REQUIREMENT BY OUR BUILDERS.

THEY HAVE TO BE IN BEFORE ESSENTIALLY EITHER THEY CLOSE OR SHORTLY AFTER THEY CLOSE.

A LOT OF OUR CONTRACTS ARE 90 DAYS AFTER CLOSING.

SO IT'S A REQUIREMENT BY US AND OBVIOUSLY FOR A HOMEOWNER TO MOVE IN.

BUT THAT PROCESS STARTS RIGHT ABOUT NOW. JUST REMIND ME, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S COLD OR YOU COULD SPEAK TO THIS. THE ONLY TWO ITEMS I SEE IS PUNCH LIST ITEMS THAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING FOR CONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE ON, OR THE STREET LIGHTS ENERGIZING, THE SCREEN WALL.

IS THAT CORRECT? IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS BESIDES THOSE TWO? AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME. I BELIEVE IT'S AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I BELIEVE THE STREET LIGHTS HAVE BEEN ENERGIZED.

SO IT WOULD ONLY BE THAT PORTION OF THE MASONRY SCREENING WALL ALONG DOWLIN.

IT'S ONLY THAT PORTION THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE LOTS.

ABOUT 95% OF THAT SCREENING WALL IS CONSTRUCTED.

I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME SORT OF BACKORDER ON BRICK AND THEY COULDN'T GET IT DONE IN TIME, BUT THE DEVELOPERS STATED THAT THIS WILL BE DONE BEFORE THE JULY 14TH MEETING, AND HE BELIEVES IT'S GOING TO BE DONE IN THE NEXT 7 TO 10 DAYS.

OKAY. THAT WAS MY ONLY THING, IS THERE A TIME PERIOD THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE? THEY CAN'T MOVE ON OR DO ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE IT'S DONE.

AND AND I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY INSPECT TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE.

CORRECT? CORRECT. YES. AND IF IT'S A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL, AND IT'S NOT DONE BY THAT COUNCIL DATE THEN THE CONDITIONS WOULD NOT BE MET.

AND AGAIN THE DEVELOPER EXPECTS THIS TO BE COMPLETED IN THE NEXT 7 TO 10 DAYS.

YEAH. I WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. IT WILL BE DONE IN THE NEXT 7 TO 10 DAYS.

SO THAT IS THE GOAL. I'M NOT SURE IF THE IF THAT IS TRUE, IF THE BRICK WAS BACK ORDERED, BUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST WITH PRINCETON IS GO FORWARD WITH CITY ACCEPTANCE AND THEN BUILD HARDSCAPE AND LANDSCAPE AFTER WHILE BUILDERS ARE DOING THEIR MODELS OR DOING MORE OF THEIR LOTS.

IN THIS CASE, WE WERE TRYING TO GET IT DONE BEFORE THAT, BUT IN THE PAST IN PHASE ONE AND TWO, WE ACTUALLY DID GET CITY ACCEPTANCE AND THEN CONTINUED WITH THE HARDSCAPE.

THAT'S A PRACTICE, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT DFW. IN A LOT OF CASES.

IN THIS CASE, WE TRY TO GET IT DONE BEFORE, ALONG WITH THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE GOT DONE.

SO JUST LIKE PHASE ONE AND TWO, WE WILL BUILD THAT WALL.

IF IT ISN'T DONE BY THE 14TH, WHICH IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE DENIED.

BUT IF IT WASN'T, WE WERE ALWAYS GOING TO GET IT DONE.

WE WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON A GOOD LOOKING COMMUNITY. AS YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN OUT THERE, THE WALLS, THE ENTRY MONUMENTS AND EVERYTHING LOOK GOOD.

SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT EVERY PHASE AS WE GO IS THE SAME LOOK.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR BUILDERS AS WELL. THANK YOU.

I HAVE A, THERE'S A ROW OF FENCES THAT ARE DOWN FROM THE STORM AND ON ACTUAL HOMEOWNER PROPERTIES.

IS THIS GOING TO BE ALSO FIXED? CORRECT. I HEARD THAT I THINK LATE LAST WEEK THAT, THAT WAS GOING ON.

UNFORTUNATELY THE HOA OR US, IT'S NOT, IT'S ON THEIR PROPERTY.

SO WHAT THE HOA HAS DONE AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS SENDING LETTERS TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS.

WHAT OUR GUYS ARE GOING TO DO IS GO OUT THERE AND GO KNOCK ON DOORS AND SEE IF THEY WOULD LIKE US TO FIX IT, AND WE'LL JUST GET OUT THERE AND FIX IT, WHETHER IT'S THE BUILDER OR THE HOMEOWNER OR THE HOA.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S FIXED AS WELL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T JUST GO INTO THEIR BACKYARDS AND FIX IT.

I DIDN'T BUILD THAT WALL. THAT WAS A BUILDER FENCE WHEN THOSE LOTS WERE DEVELOPED.

THE RETAINING WALL IS ALSO AN HOA MAINTAINED RETAINING WALL ON THEIR PROPERTY.

SO IT'S A WEIRD SITUATION WHERE I CAN'T JUST GO DO IT, BUT WE'RE SENDING LETTERS AND WE'RE GOING TO GO KNOCK ON DOORS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THOSE FENCES GET FIXED. OKAY. WE HAD TO DO THE SAME THING ON A BIG STORM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ALONG, I FORGET IT WAS 2C THAT, IT WAS IN PHASE ONE, BUT IT'S ALONG THAT ROAD GOING NORTH SOUTH ON TO 2C WE HAD TO DO THE SAME THING, GO KNOCK ON DOORS AND GET IT DONE. SO WE'RE PUSHING THE BUILDER, PUSHING THE HOA, AND PUSHING THE HOMEOWNERS TO SEE WHAT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS.

YEAH. THANK YOU. BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S BEEN A FEW MONTHS. YEAH. AND THE MORE THE STORMS HAVE COME THROUGH, UNFORTUNATELY THE WORSE IT'S GOTTEN. YES MAAM. WE'LL MAKE IT A PRIORITY TO GET WITH THEM. I KNOW THAT THAT KIND OF CAME UP TO ME LAST WEEK, SO I'LL MAKE SURE IT GETS DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU. I JUST DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THOSE WOODEN FENCES THAT ARE DOWN ARE NOT ON THE SUBJECT PLAT.

THEY'RE PART OF THE EXISTING. JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S NOT PART OF THE CURRENT PLAT THAT'S BEING UP FOR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. BUT THEY ARE. OKAY, SO YOU GUYS TECHNICALLY OWN THAT RETAINING WALL,

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DO YOU NOT? BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THE. SO IT'S RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE OF THAT PHASE AND THIS THIS PHASE RIGHT HERE.

SO I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S EXACTLY ON WHICH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IT IS, BUT IT'S LIKE, WHERE'S THE FACE? THE FACE IS THE PROPERTY. THE FACE IS THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T GO AND FIX THEIR FENCE WITHOUT THEM APPROVING ME.

I CAN'T GO IN IF THE FACE AND THE WALLS AND THE FENCE SITS RIGHT ON TOP OF THAT WALL, I'M NOT GOING TO GO IN AND FIX THEIR FENCE.

I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET ON THEIR PROPERTY, ON THEIR SIDE AND FIX BOTH SIDES.

SO OUR PLAN IS MAKE SURE THE HOA AND THOSE BUILDERS THAT ESSENTIALLY PUT THAT WALL UP AND PUT IT INTO THOSE SLOTS IN THAT RETAINING WALL ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO GO DO IT, OR THE HOA SINCE THEY CAN MAINTAIN THOSE RETAINING WALLS.

OKAY, SO I GUESS MY CONCERN, I GUESS MY CONCERN WAS THAT IT'S BEEN LIKE TWO AND A HALF MONTHS THAT IT'S BEEN DOWN AND NOBODY'S AT THE HOMEOWNERS, THE PARTS THAT ARE STILL UP, FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD BY THE HOMEOWNERS WHO ACTUALLY DID THE WORK, THEY JUST ASSUMED, NOBODY TALKED TO THEM. I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THEY'D ACTUALLY CONTACTED THE CITY.

I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY CONTACTED AND JUST FELT LIKE THEY WERE ON THEIR OWN.

AND SO PARTS OF THE RETAINING WALL BROKE WHEN IT BENT OVER AND WHEN IT BROKE OVER AND THEY WERE REPAIRING IT THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY JUST ASSUMED AT THIS POINT THAT WAS THEIR JOB. PARTS OF THE FENCE THAT ARE UP, THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE FIXING THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT, OKAY, WELL, IT'S MY JOB. YEAH. SO WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY IS THE RETAINING WALL AND THE FENCE ARE BOTH YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT WAS THE PEOPLE BEFORE YOU, BUT ULTIMATELY, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU OWN THE PROPERTY.

IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. WHAT I'M HEARING, THOUGH, IS THAT THAT FENCE AND THAT RETAINING WALL FOR SOME REASON, IS ON THE 3A SIDE. I'M GUESSING WHEN IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS I'M GUESSING IT WAS BUILT OFFSET OR.

WALLS ARE ALWAYS BUILT ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS HIGH. SO 3A IS THE HIGH SIDE.

IT MAKES IT SO THAT, AS THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE US WAS DISCUSSING, ALL THAT STRUCTURE BEHIND THE WALL SITS ON ONE SIDE.

TECHNICALLY THE WALL HOLDS BACK THE HIGH SIDE, SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. THE WALL IS STILL ASSUMED TO BE SHARED, THOUGH, BECAUSE THE BENEFIT IS TO BOTH HOMEOWNERS AND THEN A FENCE.

EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE FENCE GOES DOWN THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT A FENCE IT HAS A WIDTH, RIGHT? IT'S NOT ZERO. SO A PIECE OF IT IS ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.

SO THE FENCE GOES ON TOP OF THE WALL, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PUT A FENCE IN THE FACE OF THE WALL, IT DOESN'T FIT. AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO MAKE THE WALL TWICE AS FAT.

AND THAT DOESN'T HELP ANYBODY. SO THE WALL, OR SORRY, THE FENCE IS A SHARED FENCE, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY'S FENCE WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR, WHETHER YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT. IT'S YOUR HALF YOUR FENCE, HALF THEIR FENCE.

IT IS BOTH PEOPLE'S RESPONSIBILITY TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET IT FIXED.

SO THE FENCE BLEW DOWN. THE FENCE WAS SET UP BY THE HOME BUILDER BEFORE .

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THOSE HOMEOWNERS REACHED OUT TO THE BUILDER, AND THE BUILDER TOLD THEM IT WAS AN ACT OF GOD, AND THAT THE FENCE ITSELF WAS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

THAT'S IT. OKAY. AND DEVELOPER DIDN'T FIND THIS OUT THAT THESE EITHER THE BUILDER WASN'T DOING IT OR THE HOMEOWNER WAS DOING IT UNTIL NOT TOO LONG AGO.

SO IT HAS BEEN TWO AND A HALF MONTHS OF WHAT I WAS TOLD.

BUT NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT THE BUILDER TOLD THE HOMEOWNERS THAT, WE HAVE TO GET INVOLVED, BUT BECAUSE THOSE FENCES ARE BUILT BY THE BUILDER AND THEY'RE FOR THAT HOMEOWNER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SLIGHTLY ON OUR PROPERTY, IT'S NOT.

I CAN SEE WHY YOU'RE SAYING IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT THAT'S NEVER HOW IT USUALLY GOES.

AND THIS ASPECT, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL DEVELOPING THIS SIDE.

IF WE BUILT THIS, THESE HOMES OUT, THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD BE FIXING THEIR OWN FENCE THERE.

BUT IN ANY CASE, THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BUILDER SAID IT WAS AN ACT OF GOD.

SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A CHOICE BUT TO GET IN THE MIDDLE TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW THIS IS FIXED.

WHILE THOSE THOSE LOTS TO THE WEST OF THEM ARE BEING BUILT.

YEAH. AND I APPRECIATE YOU ASSISTING IN THAT TO TRY TO HELP OUT THE COMMUNITY.

SO NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO DO THAT, WE KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THE CITIZENS, THAT, HEY, YOU HAVE A GREAT DEVELOPER HERE THAT'S WILLING TO HELP OUT.

YEAH. THANK YOU. WE'LL JUMP ON TOP OF IT. AND I'M SURPRISED NONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS CALLED US ONCE.

THAT BUILDER SAID NO OR ACT OF GOD, BECAUSE NO HOMEOWNERS HAVE CALLED US.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE CALLED THE CITY OR SOMEBODY AT THE CITY. SO WE'LL JUMP IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

THANK YOU. I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT AND AGAIN, YOU'VE EXPLAINED THAT YOU DIDN'T BUY THESE MATERIALS OR SET UP THE FENCE, BUT IT WAS A CONCERN THAT THE PERSON WHO TOLD ME WAS A HOMEOWNER WHO HAS FENCE DOWN ON HIS PROPERTY SAID IT WAS A ROUGHLY 60 MILE AN HOUR WINDS. CAN CAN SOMEONE REMIND ME HERE.

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WHO KNOWS BETTER THE ORDINANCE. WHAT. I KNOW THESE FENCES ARE INTENDED TO BE BUILT TO WITHSTAND A PARTICULAR WIND LOAD.

I THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE 100 MILE AN HOUR WIND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE I THOUGHT, I THINK THEY'RE GALVANIZED POLES, JUST SNAPPED LIKE A STRAW, YOU KNOW, THE BENDY PART OF A STRAW. I MEAN, JUST ALMOST LIKE IT WAS NOTHING.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE MAYBE SUBSTANDARD MATERIALS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, IT WASN'T JUST THE WOOD GIVING OUT, IT WAS ALL OF THE POLES JUST BENDING LIKE IT WAS NOTHING.

THOSE WOOD FENCES ACT AS BIG SALES. THE CITY ORDINANCE DOESN'T SPECIFY THE WIND SPEED THAT IT HAS TO WITHSTAND.

IT SPECIFIES THE GAUGE OF STEEL THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE METAL POLES.

IT REQUIRES METAL POSTS. IT REQUIRES THEM TO BE BURIED INTO THE GROUND AT X NUMBER OF FEET.

I WANT TO SAY TWO FEET. BUT IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC WIND THAT THEY'RE DESIGNED TO .

IT'S JUST A GAUGE IN STEEL IS REQUIRED. I GUESS THEN MY COMMENT WOULD BE, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WHENEVER IT GETS DONE, IT GETS DONE WITH PROPER MATERIALS.

I CAN'T SAY WHETHER THEY ARE THE PROPER MATERIALS, BUT.

YEAH, YOU KNOW, I'M. 60 MILE AN HOUR WIND THROUGH.

I'M A HORIZONTAL DEVELOPER. SO EXCUSE ME, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BUILDER FENCES.

BUT I WOULD SAY THESE ARE HORTON-PULTE. THEY BUILD A LOT OF HOMES IN DFW.

THEY BUILT A LOT OF FENCES. SO MY GUESS IS THEY'RE FOLLOWING EVERY ORDINANCE REGARDING FENCES.

AND IT COULD MAYBE BE AN ACT OF GOD. AND IT JUST REALLY WAS A PERFECT LINE OF WIND IN SOME SORT.

BUT WHEN WE GO LOOK AT IT AND WHEN OUR TEAM GOES LOOK AT THESE FENCES AND FIGURES OUT, WE'LL MAKE SURE THE CITY HAS EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PROVIDE WHAT WE PUT IN IF WE NEED TO.

WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, BUT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AMENITIES AS WELL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST FREELY TALK? SO AS COLE MENTIONED, THE AMENITIES. SO THE AMENITIES HAVE TO BE DONE IN PHASE THREE.

SPECIFICALLY THE AMENITY CENTER. WE ACTUALLY BUILT THE MAJORITY OF THAT AMENITY CENTER EARLY.

WE KNEW WHAT OUR RESIDENTS WANTED. WE KNEW THAT THEY WANTED THEIR POOL. WE KNEW THEY WANTED THE PARK.

THE CITY WANTED THEIR BASEBALL FIELD. SO WE WENT AHEAD AND BUILT IT, INCLUDING THE POOL, CABANAS, PARK AND EVERYTHING. THAT IS MANAGED BY THE HOA NOW, SINCE WE FINISHED THAT A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS AGO. WE THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PHASE TWO OF THE AMENITY CENTER, WHICH IS THAT CLUBHOUSE, WHICH IF YOU DROVE OUT THERE FOUNDATIONS ARE IN, WE'RE GOING VERTICAL, SHOULD BE DONE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.

AS FAR AS THE AMENITIES, THAT IS THE PLANNED AMENITY CENTER FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO I'D SAY THAT AS FAR AS DEVELOPER, WE MADE IT A PRIORITY TO MAKE SURE THOSE AMENITIES WERE IN EARLY.

AS FAR AS TRAILS, WE HAVE THAT EASTERN TRAIL.

THE COMMUNITY IS NOWHERE NEAR DONE. IT CONTINUES UP NORTH AND IT CONTINUES GOING WEST.

SO THAT TRAIL SYSTEM IS STILL CONNECTING AND IT'S STILL GOING TO CONNECT NORTH.

PER OUR CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY, WE'VE SENT IN A TRAIL EXHIBIT OF WHAT WILL OCCUR OVER THE NEXT, CALL IT 5 OR 6 YEARS. SO ON TOP OF THAT, THERE WILL BE A TRAIL, SOME IN SOME FASHION, ON THE EAST SIDE ALONG FM 75.

WHEN THAT PHASE COMES ONLINE, WE'RE NOT SURE WHEN THAT PHASE WILL.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY TRAIL CONNECTIONS BETWEEN DOWLIN PKWY AND ALL THE PHASES AS YOU GO WEST AS WELL.

BUT THAT MAIN TRAIL GOES NORTH TO SOUTH THAT CONNECTS THE COMMUNITY ON TOP OF ALL THE SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF OPEN SPACE, DETENTION PONDS THAT HAVE WALKWAYS AROUND, TRAILS AROUND IT AND IS LANDSCAPED AND IRRIGATED AND SOD IS IN ON ALL THOSE AREAS SPECIFICALLY BEFORE WE EVEN COME ASK FOR CITY ACCEPTANCE.

SO THAT IS A RULE BY THE CITY. SO WE OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE DRIVEN OUT THERE, BUT IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD AS FAR AS LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATED AROUND THAT DETENTION POND, SPECIFICALLY ON PHASE 3A.

SO AS FAR AS AMENITIES WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PUT THEM IN.

THE COMMUNITY IS NOT OVER WITH, SO THERE WILL BE MORE AMENITIES THAT CONNECT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

AS FAR AS ANY ISSUES WITH EQUIPMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE REACHED OUT TO THE HOA, BUT I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU AFTER AND WHATEVER ISSUES THERE ARE, I WILL CALL THE HOA TOMORROW AND I'LL MAKE SURE IT GETS FIXED.

YOU'RE WELCOME. YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING THAT YOU'VE DONE AROUND THAT POND.

I THINK THAT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WHERE THE. SO YOU HAVE THE OUTFALL FROM THAT POND AND THEN GOING, I THINK IT'S SOUTH TO NORTH, THE RIPRAP, THE SAME RIPRAP THAT IT SHARES WITH THAT IS, IS FULL, FULL OF SILT. LET ME SEE. LET'S SEE. OH. I'M SORRY.

IT WOULD BE EAST TO WEST. OKAY. SO FROM FROM EAST TO WEST, YOU HAVE THE OUTFALL THAT GOES INTO THE SAME RIPRAP THAT'S SHARED

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WITH THE OUTFALL FOR THE DETENTION POND THERE.

AND IT'S CLEAR THAT AT THAT OUTFALL FOR THE ONE THAT'S GOING EAST TO WEST IS POURING OUT A TON OF SILT BECAUSE IN THAT AREA, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST FULL OF IT.

AND WHAT THE GENTLEMAN AND THE WINCHESTER DEVELOPMENT MENTIONED HOW THEY DO PARTICULAR THINGS TO KEEP A LOT OF THAT SILT WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE INTENDING ON DOING OR? MY ENGINEER. SO THE OUTFALL IN QUESTION, THE ONE THEY'RE KIND OF COMING OFF A DIP WHILE GOING INTO THE POND.

THAT DOESN'T LEAVE THE SUBDIVISION, THAT GOES INTO THE SUBDIVISION THAT'S STILL, THE POND IS PART OF THIS PHASE.

WHAT LEAVES IS THE BIG KIND OF UTAH SHAPE THERE GOING SOUTH.

AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S SILTATION GOING EAST INTO THE WEST? WEST TO EAST. YOU HAVE TWO OUTFALLS THERE, ONE NORTH TO SOUTH FROM THE RETAINING POND.

WEST TO EAST? EAST TO WEST. OKAY. WHICH RUNS ALONG THE SOUTHERN PART OF.

THERE'S ANOTHER ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT THAT'S THE OTHER PHASE. SO EAST TO WEST THERE FROM DIP WELL INTO THE POND IS STAYING INSIDE THE SUBDIVISION.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME SILTATION FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES TO BUILD ALL THE HOMES, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE SODDED PADS AND SODDED FRONT YARDS YET.

THERE'S JUST GOING TO BE. AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE CRAZY RAIN WE'VE HAD THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE SOME. IT'S NOT SOMETHING ANYBODY CAN KEEP OUT. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU DO, IT WILL RUN OFF.

NOW THE IMPORTANT PART THERE IS IT'S GOING INTO THIS POND.

IT CAN BE COLLECTED OR HONESTLY JUST ALLOWED TO GO INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE POND BECAUSE ON THE ORDER OF THE SIZE OF THAT POND, THE LITTLE BIT OF SILT IN THERE IS NEGLIGIBLE.

IS NOT GOING TO THE POND? IT'S GOING. SO ALL THAT WATER GOES SOUTH.

THERE'S A HOME RIGHT THERE, JUST SOUTH OF JUST SOUTH OF THE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BYPASS PIECE ON THE SOUTH.

YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DIP WALL, THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BEHIND THE LOTS. CORRECT.

OKAY. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PIECE. IT'S THE SOUTHERNMOST DRAINAGE THAT YOU HAVE IN THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.

OKAY. SO WHAT WHAT'S GOING BEHIND THE LOTS THERE AND THEN GOING INTO THE RAGON ESTATES DEAL.

SAY THAT AGAIN. THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE THAT SAYS LOCK FOUR.

BLOCK B, RAGON ESTATES. OKAY. THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING.

RIGHT. AND YEAH, IT GOES RIGHT IN THERE IN THE DRAINAGE DITCH IN THEIR FRONT YARD.

OKAY. AND SO. I TALKED TO THAT GUY PERSONALLY FOR A YEAR AND A HALF ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING TO HIS PROPERTY.

I'VE NEVER MET HIM, HE MIGHT BE HERE, BUT WE'VE WORKED WITH HIM EXTENSIVELY, INCLUDING REGRADING PART OF HIS PROPERTY, PUTTING SOME OF THE ROCK FROM THE LARGE POND ONTO HIS PROPERTY TO ADDRESS SOME OF HIS OTHER ISSUES.

WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN ASKED AND ACCORDING TO HIM, EXACTLY WHAT HE'S BEEN LOOKING FOR.

SO IF THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SILT THERE, AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO KIND OF HAPPEN FOR SOME TIME UNTIL YOU GET ALL OF THOSE BACKYARDS SORTED.

WHEN YOU GET EVERYTHING NICE AND GREEN, THEN IT'LL STAY.

BUT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A MAINTENANCE ISSUE THROUGHOUT DEVELOPMENT UNTIL ALL THE HOMES ARE DONE.

OKAY, I GET THAT. I GUESS WHAT I WAS ASKING IS WHAT THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPER, BECAUSE I NOTICED SOME THINGS THAT I HAD NOT SEEN IN ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT I HAD VISITED, AND HE SAID IT WAS SPECIFICALLY TO MITIGATE THAT, FOR THE SILT LEAVING THE DEVELOPMENT UNTIL IT SETTLES OUT. I WAS JUST BASICALLY ASKING, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS MAY THINK ABOUT DOING? HIS IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION, IN THE BODY OF WATER THAT HE WAS PROTECTING.

HIS WAS ACTUALLY WATERS OF THE US. HE HAD OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AFFECTING THAT PIECE THAT ARE NOT PRESENT HERE.

OKAY. THIS IS JUST LOW AREA GOING TO LOW AREA.

THERE'S NO REGULATION PER SE ON ON WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

SO AS IT SILTS UP, YOU JUST COLLECT IT, MOVE IT BACK UPSTREAM AND KEEP IT CLEAN.

SO IT'S JUST A MAINTENANCE ITEM. OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT THE EROSION ITSELF WAS I MEAN, THE CONTROLLING THAT EROSION, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT'S INEVITABLE.

WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE WIRE? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE? YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT IN FRONT OF WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A DRAINAGE OUTFALL.

HE'S BLOCKING IT TO. SO THOSE ARE CALLED CHECK DAMS. OKAY. ROCK CHECK DAMS. AND THAT CHRIS, I BELIEVE THEY'RE STILL IN PLACE THIS GENTLEMAN, IN LOT FOUR THERE, AND HE ASKED US TO LEVEL IT NOW.

THOSE ARE NORMAL, THEY WERE IN PLACE DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THEN I BELIEVE IT WAS ACTUALLY.

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DIDN'T WE HAVE TO GET THEM TAKEN OUT? CORRECT. YEAH. YES. SO WE WERE ACTUALLY TOLD TO REMOVE THEM.

AS PART OF THE PUNCH LIST BECAUSE TEMPORARY BMPS, BMP BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE.

SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS, GENERALLY SPEAKING, A CONSTRUCTION ONLY ITEM.

NOW, AGAIN, THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE THEY HAD OTHER SITUATIONS RELATED TO THE TYPE OF BODY OF WATER THAT WAS PRESENT ON THEIR SITE THAT IS NOT PRESENT ON THIS SITE.

OKAY. SO IT'S A BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE MEANS THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE SAME FROM ONE PROJECT TO THE NEXT.

AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR AS FAR AS IS THAT APPROPRIATE IN THIS SITUATION OR NOT.

A ROCK CHECK DAM LIKE THAT IS NOT GOING TO HOLD BACK THE AMOUNT OF SILTATION THAT'S BEEN RUNNING THROUGH HERE.

CHRIS HAS A PICTURE FROM EARLIER TODAY. IT'S A QUARTER INCH DEEP.

THAT'S JUST NOT VERY MUCH. SO A CHECK DAM IS ACTUALLY GOING TO LET THAT GO THROUGH ANYWAY.

A CHECK DAM IS REALLY TO HOLD WATER BACK AND THEN METER IT OUT SLOWLY.

BUT THAT KIND OF SILT IS STILL GOING TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE THAT KIND OF STILL WILL STAY SUSPENDED IN THE WATER AND PASS THROUGH THOSE ROCKS.

THE AMOUNT OF SILT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU CAN'T PRACTICALLY IN A CONSTRUCTION WORLD KEEP ON SITE.

YOU JUST GO COLLECT IT AND BRING IT BACK. OKAY.

IT'S JUST FUNCTIONALLY, IT'S NOT REALISTIC. BUT AS THIS PHASE DEVELOPS, BUILDERS GO VERTICAL LIKE WE'VE DONE IN PREVIOUS PHASES.

AND EVERYWHERE WE HAVE STREET SWEEPERS COME OUT, WE HAVE EROSION COME OUT, WE CONTINUE TO REPAIR EVERYTHING.

SO AS THIS BUILDS OUT, WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE OUT THERE TO MANAGE THAT LIKE CONSTRUCTION ALWAYS HAS TO DO.

ONE THING I DID NOTICE IS THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF AREA THAT'S NOT, THAT DOESN'T HAVE SOLID IN IT YET.

THEY HAD THE, I FORGET WHAT THEY'RE CALLED, LOOKS LIKE GRASS CARPET THAT'S SUPPOSED TO START THE PROCESS.

CURLEX. YEP. CURLEX? YEP. SO THERE'S CURLEX, OR JUST A STRIP OF CURLEX ALONG THE STREETS.

AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY AREAS THAT WERE MISSING CURLEX.

BUT THAT IS ONE THING THAT I NOTICED IS THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT LESS SOD THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.

IS THAT JUST BECAUSE, I GUESS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY I SEE SO MUCH LESS? IS IT BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO DO IT UNTIL THEY HAVE, UNTIL THEY.

WHAT LOCATIONS SPECIFICALLY IS THE CURLEX THAT YOU'RE? WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING ARE YOU SAYING IN OTHER PHASES? NO, I'M SAYING THROUGHOUT YOUR DEVELOPMENT.

3A? THROUGHOUT 3A? THROUGHOUT 3A I'M SEEING JUST A STRIP OF CURLEX. BUT WHAT I'M NOT SEEING IS LIKE WHAT I SAW IN THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS SOD, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH THROUGHOUT THE PLACE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF.

I GUESS IT DEPENDS WHERE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE CURLEX. I'LL LET COLE ANSWER NOW.

YES. THROUGHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT THERE IS CURLEX ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAYS.

ULTIMATELY, THIS IS GOING TO KEEP THE SILT BACK AND OFF THE STREET.

AND WHENEVER THE BUILDERS GO IN, THE SOD WOULD BE TORN UP ANYWAYS.

SO A LOT OF THE TIMES WE ACCEPT THIS CURLEX BECAUSE IT HAS THE FUNCTIONALITY OF KEEPING THE STREETS CLEAN, BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T CAUSE THEM TO SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO HAVE SOD THAT GETS TORN UP ANYWAYS AS SOON AS THIS PLAT GETS APPROVED.

THE DRAINAGE AREA HAS BEEN SODDED, SO AROUND THE RETENTION POND HAS BEEN SODDED.

YEAH. BUT THERE AREN'T AS MANY DRAINAGE AREAS ON THIS PLOT.

I MEAN, MOST OF THIS AREA. IT'S TRUE. IS ALL LOTS, WHICH WILL GET SODDED AS THE HOMES ARE FINISHED.

OKAY. YEAH. ALL THE DETENTION AREAS AND DRAINAGE EASEMENTS ARE HAVE 100% BLOCKED SOD LAID WITHIN THEM.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S MAYBE SOME ISSUES THAT YOU'RE STILL HANDLING.

I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT YOU'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO CATCH UP ON.

PERSONALLY CONSIDERING THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE ON PLANNING AND ZONING, PEOPLE IN THE CITY AND CITY COUNCIL'S ACTUALLY NOT ONLY SAID THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO CONTINGENCIES, BUT VOTED THAT DIRECTION.

PERSONALLY, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE SPOKE ON AND I WILL NOT VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS.

HOWEVER, I WILL MAKE THE NOTE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS YOU GUYS ARE ON TOP OF THIS STUFF.

I DON'T HAVE HARD FEELINGS IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS VOTE THE OTHER WAY.

BUT THE REASON FOR THIS IS BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MANY DEVELOPMENTS THAT PRECEDED YOU, WHERE A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN

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TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. AND I RESPECT THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I APPRECIATE IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WHITEWING HAS A LOT MORE PHASES.

WE'VE BEEN HERE, WE'RE PARTNERS WITH THE CITY, WE DON'T WANT TO GO ANYWHERE.

AND WE KNOW THAT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN, AND THEY NEED TO HAPPEN WHILE WE'RE IN DEVELOPMENT.

AND WHILE BUILDERS ARE GOING VERTICAL, SUCH AS THE SCREENING WALL AND SPECIFIC SINCE STREET LIGHTS ARE DONE.

I UNDERSTAND, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. WE'RE PARTNERS WITH THE CITY.

THAT WALL WILL BE DONE. AND I PROMISE YOU, JUST LIKE THE OTHER PHASES, AND AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP WEST, THAT WALL WILL CONTINUE. AND IT'S THE SAME WALL THAT'S BEEN IN ALL THE PHASES.

SO I APPRECIATE IT AND I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

I WILL SAY THAT I DO HAVE MY CONCERNS AS WELL.

AFTER MULTIPLE 30 DAY REQUESTS FOR, YOU KNOW, EXTENSIONS AND THEN SIX WALKTHROUGHS WITH ENGINEERING WHERE THESE ITEMS HAVE BEEN NOT ADDRESSED MULTIPLE TIMES.

I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SUDDEN RUSH TO PUSH THIS THROUGH.

I FEEL LIKE IF IT CAN BE COMPLETED IN 7 TO 10 DAYS, WHY HASN'T IT BEEN DONE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS? WHAT'S ONE MORE 30 DAY EXTENSION? WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN DO WE NEED TO PUSH THIS THROUGH? I DO HAVE SEVERE RESERVATIONS OVER THAT. SO BECAUSE THAT WE DIDN'T GO FORWARD.

THAT PUNCH LIST WAS DONE. SO ALL THE PUNCH LIST IS DONE.

THE OTHER ITEMS ARE OUTSIDE OF 3A THAT WE DISCUSSED ALL THE ITEMS WITHIN.

I'M ONLY LOOKING AT 3A, SPECIFICALLY ITEMS 14 AND 15 FOR THE STREET LIGHTS AND THE SCREENING WALLS.

CORRECT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY WE'VE HAD, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, 45 DAYS OF RAIN IN THE LAST 100 DAYS, SO THAT IS ONE ITEM, BUT WITH A LIST OF, HOW LONG WAS THAT PUNCH LIST? SO OVER 20 ITEMS. IT TOOK US TIME TO GET IT DONE, BUT WE DIDN'T COME BACK UNTIL THESE LAST TWO ITEMS. ONE OF THEM WAS DONE, OBVIOUSLY IS ALREADY DONE THAT SCREENING WALL.

AND AS FAR AS THE RUSH BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN SO LONG TO GET TO THIS POINT, WE HAVE PUSHED IT OUT.

AND AT THIS POINT, PUSHING OUT ANY FURTHER IS HARD FOR US.

SO AS FAR AS THIS MOVING FORWARD AND GETTING THESE BUILDERS TO GO VERTICAL SPECIFICALLY IN THIS MARKET IS CRITICAL FOR US.

SO KNOWING THAT WE'VE DONE ONE AND WE FINISHED ALL 20 OTHERS.

WE'RE ASKING FOR THE CONCESSION OF ONE KNOWING THAT IT'S 95% DONE.

IT RAINED ALL LAST WEEK, RIGHT? AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S AN EXCUSE, BUT WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR SIX, SEVEN YEARS, AND WE'VE ALWAYS DONE WHAT WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO.

AND WITH IT AT 95%, I CAN I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO GET DONE IN SOME DAYS AND I UNDERSTAND.

WELL, WHY DON'T WE WAIT? BECAUSE COMMISION'S NOT FOR ANOTHER 2 OR 3, THREE WEEKS OR A MONTH.

ARE YOU GUYS EVERY TWO WEEKS OR EVERY MONTH? ONCE A MONTH.

ONCE A MONTH. SO THEN I'M ANOTHER 30 DAYS AWAY, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE, I WOULDN'T SAY THE RUSH, BUT THE CRITICAL NATURE OF IT.

ANOTHER 30 DAYS AND THEN ANOTHER 30 DAYS FOR COUNCIL.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S OUR CONCERN. SO THAT JULY COUNCIL DATE, THAT JULY 14TH, I'M STILL A MONTH AWAY FOR COUNCIL.

RIGHT. SO PUSHING ME TO AUGUST IS MY CONCERN WHEN WE KNOW THAT EVEN BY COUNCIL THAT THAT WALL IS GOING TO BE DONE AND THIS COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE LOOKING GOOD.

BECAUSE I WON'T GO FORWARD WITH COUNCIL IF IT'S NOT.

I'M IN THE LANDSCAPE INDUSTRY SO TRUST ME I'M WITH YOU ON THE PAIN POINT OF THE RAIN.

I JUST, THIS DATES WAY BACK MORE THAN 45 DAYS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A LONG LIST, THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, ALSO ALMOST ONLY COUNTS IN HORSESHOES, RIGHT.

SO I JUST TO AVOID ERRORS MOVING FORWARD, I FEEL LIKE IF THE BOARD DOESN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH CONTINGENCIES, THAT JUST KIND OF FEELS A LITTLE CART BEFORE THE HORSE TO ME.

AND I'LL TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT OF THE TIMING AS WELL.

ONE OF THE REASONS THIS DEVELOPMENT TOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND THERE WERE SIX FINAL WALKS, IS BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF UNIQUE IN THAT THEY BUILT A LARGE PORTION OF DOWLIN PKWY, WHICH BRINGS SIDEWALK ALL ALONG IT, AND WE HAVE TO WALK EVERY PORTION OF THAT SIDEWALK, AND IF THERE'S A CRACK OR A CHIP IN THAT SIDEWALK, THEN THAT'S STILL GOING TO REMAIN ON THE PUNCH LIST.

SO THAT ADDED A LOT OF FINAL WALKS TO IT, HAVING TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND VERIFY THAT SIDEWALK WAS MEETING OUR STANDARDS.

THERE'S ALSO A LARGE AMOUNT OF OFFSITE UTILITIES WITHIN THIS.

THERE'S A PRETTY LARGE OFFSITE SEWER LINE THAT TOOK A WHILE TO CONSTRUCT AS WELL.

AND COMPOUNDING THAT WITH THE RAIN, THAT'S SORT OF THE REASON WHY IT'S THE LENGTH OF TIME YOU'RE SEEING.

I GUESS ONE MIGHT, THE THING I THINK ABOUT IS WHAT'S TO GUARANTEE THAT IT'S EVEN GOING TO BE DONE BY THE TIME IT GETS TO COUNCIL?

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BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT MAY CONTINUE RAINING. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS TEXAS.

WE MIGHT SEE A LOT MORE OF IT ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THAT MASONRY IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A STONEMASON, BUT PERHAPS THAT MIGHT INHIBIT, YOU KNOW, THE WALL GETTING COMPLETED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT AS FAR AS THE PORTION THEY'VE LEFT ON THE WALL, I BELIEVE IT'S FROM LOT, I THINK THAT'S LOT 6 ALL THE WAY OVER TO THAT LOT 10 AREA RIGHT THERE.

SO IT'S A PRETTY SMALL PORTION OF WALL. AND I BELIEVE THE BRICK IS ALREADY OUT THERE.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, OF DOING THE WORK AND GETTING IT DONE.

AND IN THE TIME FRAME ALLOTTED BETWEEN NOW AND THE JULY 14TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

YEAH. AND MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, JUST TO KEEP IN MIND TO WHATEVER ACTION YOU GUYS TAKE, IT WILL BE YOUR FINAL ACTION AS A RECOMMENDATION AND IT'LL GO TO COUNCIL ON THE 14TH.

SO WHETHER YOU, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY CHOOSE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OR A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL LIKE I SAID, IT WILL GO TO COUNCIL IF YOU DO GO THE ROUTE OF DISAPPROVAL, RECOMMENDATION OR CONDITIONAL APPROVAL.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE JUST KIND OF SPECIFY THE REASONS FOR THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL SO WE CAN HAVE IT ON THE RECORD.

THANK YOU. WITH THAT, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? THE ONLY MOTION I HAVE, OF COURSE, IS ALL PUNCH LIST ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED AS WELL AS ANY PREVIOUS PHASING INCLUDING THE AMENITY CENTER.

THOSE ITEMS ARE ALSO CONSTRUCTED BEFORE THEY CAN.

I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN MOTION THAT BECAUSE THAT AMENITY CENTER ISN'T SHOWN WITHIN THAT THIS PLAT BOUNDARY.

THAT'S CORRECT. MR. LOWRY. I THOUGHT FOR SURE IT WAS IN CONTINGENT, LIKE THEY COULDN'T MOVE ON TO CONSTRUCT PHASE 3 UNTIL THAT AMENITY CENTER IN PHASE ONE OR PHASE TWO WAS COMPLETE.

IS THAT IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT IS TRUE WITH THE BUILDING PERMITS.

NO BUILDING PERMITS CAN BE ISSUED FOR THE PHASE THREE AS A WHOLE, UNTIL THE CLUBHOUSE AND CABANA PORTION OF THE AMENITY CENTER ARE COMPLETED.

YEAH. AND THAT'S PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AS COLE MENTIONED EARLIER. YOU MIND RESTATING THAT FOR ME AGAIN? SO NO BUILDING PERMITS CAN BE ISSUED FOR THESE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, SO THEY CAN'T GO VERTICAL ON A HOME UNTIL THE AMENITY CENTER, THE CLUBHOUSE AND CABANA THAT ACCOMPANY THAT ARE COMPLETED.

SO JUST EDUCATE ME. SO WHAT CAN BE DONE IN THESE PHASES BESIDES GOING VERTICAL AND CONSTRUCTION? THEY CAN DO ALL THE GRADING. I GUESS I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO BE DONE.

ALL THAT'S LEFT WITHIN THIS PHASE IS THE NEED TO ACTUALLY START PUTTING THE INDIVIDUAL HOMES ON THE LOTS.

ALL THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE'S BEING COMPLETED AND INSPECTED.

OKAY. I GUESS THAT WAS PART OF MY APPROVAL, THAT PART OF THAT.

AS FAR AS THE AMENITY CENTER, THE PUNCH LIST ITEMS, THOSE ITEMS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED OR CONSTRUCTION NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE THEY CAN GO VERTICAL ON ANY CONSTRUCTION AND PHASE THREE.

RIGHT. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND LOOKING AT THAT PUNCH LIST AND SPECIFICALLY MOTIONING BASED OFF OF THOSE TWO ITEMS THE AMENITY CENTER PORTION IN ITSELF WOULDN'T BE A BASIS FOR DISAPPROVING OR CONDITIONALLY APPROVING THE PLAT THAT'S BAKED INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THAT'S A CONTRACTUAL REQUIREMENT. SO THAT WOULDN'T BE PART OF THE PLAT ITSELF.

CONSIDERATION OF THE PLAT. IF THAT HELPS GIVE SOME CONTEXT OR CLARIFICATION.

SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING. NO BUILDING PERMITS CAN BE ISSUED ON THIS PHASE UNTIL THE AMENITY CENTER IS COMPLETED.

RIGHT? I BELIEVE THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THE CLUBHOUSE AND CABANA PORTION OF THE AMENITY CENTER.

SO YES, THAT IS CORRECT. SO ESSENTIALLY THE PLAT APPROVED, DENIED, WHATEVER THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION, IS GOING TO SIT THERE AND THESE PUNCH LIST ITEMS ARE GOING TO GET DONE WELL BEFORE THE AMENITY CENTER IS GOING TO BE COMPLETED, BEFORE YOU CAN EVEN GO VERTICAL WITH A HOUSE.

IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY. YES. THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT WAS MY ASSUMPTION. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE RIGHT.

OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION, I GUESS, TO A RULING, WHETHER WE OBJECT OR APPROVE.

WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FP20253082, CONTINGENT UPON VERIFYING THAT THE LIGHTS HAVE BEEN ENERGIZED AND THAT WALL WAS COMPLETED PRIOR TO CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

I'LL SECOND.

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WE'RE STILL MISSING ONE. THE MOTION PASSES 4-1.

THAT'S IT FOR THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. NEXT ITEM F.2.

[F.2 Meeting Date/Time Discussion and possible action to move Planning and Zoning Discussion Commision meetings to the 1st and 3rd Monday of every month, beginning August 4th, 2025.]

I'M SORRY. THIS IS STILL A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM.

ITEM F.2 MEETING DATE/TIME DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO MOVE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS TO THE FIRST AND THIRD MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH, BEGINNING AUGUST 4TH, 2025. SO AGAIN, WHO'S GOING TO INTRODUCE THIS? YEAH. CRAIG FISHER. DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

SO WITH THIS ITEM, WE INCLUDED A PLAT SCHEDULE.

WE'RE PROPOSING TO GO TO TWO MEETINGS A MONTH KEEPING THIS MEETING ON THE THIRD MONDAY OF EACH MONTH.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, ALSO MEETING ON THE FIRST MONDAY OF EACH MONTH.

THIS SCHEDULE WILL REALLY ENHANCE OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE, ENABLE US TO MORE READILY MEET THE STATE'S SHOT CLOCK REQUIREMENTS FOR ACTING ON PLATS, AND I THINK IT WILL ALSO PREVENT WHAT WE JUST ACTED ON WITH THE WHITEWING TRAILS 3A PLAT, THAT WE'RE MEETING EVERY OTHER WEEK. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT EASIER FOR STAFF TO PUSH OFF DEVELOPERS AND KEEP THEM FROM MAKING CONDITIONAL REQUESTS.

SO THIS IS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. I THINK IT'S A STEP IN, IT'S A GOOD MOVE FOR THE CITY.

MANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE AREA HAVE TWO MEETINGS A MONTH.

THIS WOULD BE FOLLOWING SUIT FOR WHAT'S STANDARD IN THE DFW AREA.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THIS. I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY A MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

HAVING A PLAT SCHEDULE AND US HAVING TWO MEETINGS A MONTH.