Jul 21, 2025 Planning and Zoning

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

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GOOD EVENING. PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING JULY 21ST, 2025.

WE WILL GO AHEAD AND BEGIN WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

APOLOGIES. I HIT THE WRONG BUTTON AGAIN. FIRST ON THE AGENDA IS THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE.

SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO RESPOND TO OR DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS SECTION THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A SPEAKER'S INQUIRY, OR RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO ANY INQUIRY.

IS ANYBODY HERE FOR A PUBLIC APPEARANCE THIS EVENING? OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[D. CONSENT AGENDA]

F.4 WHICH IS A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM TO PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM E.1.

THE REASON THAT I DISCUSSED, THAT I REQUESTED THAT ITEM IS BECAUSE THE TWO ARE RELATED.

MR. LOWRY, IS THERE DO WE NEED TO DO A VOTE ON THAT? AND AM I GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO A SINGLE REGULAR AGENDA ITEM PRIOR TO THE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM AND THEN MOVE BACK. YEAH. AS PRESIDING OFFICER, YOU CAN KIND OF PROCEED THROUGH THE AGENDA AS YOU DEEM FIT.

SO THAT'S CERTAINLY FINE. OKAY. THE AGAIN, THE FIRST ITEM IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

IT WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COMMISSIONERS REQUEST, IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED IN ITS NORMAL SEQUENCE ON THE AGENDA.

I MAKE A MOTION WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS IS.

WE HAVE A FIRST. CAN WE GET SECOND. I'LL SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. GO AND TAKE A VOTE ON THE CONTINGENT ITEMS. THE MOTION PASSES 4 TO 0. CONSENT AGENDA. ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS PASSED.

NEXT. AS I SAID, I'LL BE MOVING ITEM F.4 PRINCETON TOWN CENTER UPDATE TO BE NEXT ON THE AGENDA,

[F. REGULAR AGENDA (Part 1 of 2)]

GOOD EVENING P&Z COMMISSION. MY NAME IS CRAIG FISHER.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. AS REQUESTED BY CHAIRPERSON HISS I'M HERE TO GIVE A UPDATE OR A STATUS UPDATE TO THE PRINCETON TOWN CENTER, WHICH IS A RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WEST PRINCETON DRIVE OR 380 AND NORTH BEACH BOULEVARD.

CITY STAFF HAS BEEN VERY BUSY IN REVIEWING THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR MULTIPLE PHASES OF THE PRINCETON TOWN CENTER.

HOWEVER, MOST OF THOSE REVIEWS HAVE BEEN ON PAUSE.

THE COMMENTS ARE ALL WITH THE DEVELOPER. THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A REVISION TO THEIR PLAN SET.

ONE OF THEIR TENANTS DROPPED OUT, AND THEY'RE MOVING IN A NEW TENANT THAT REQUIRES A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FOOTPRINT.

SO THEY'RE MODIFYING THEIR PLANS ACCORDINGLY.

THEY ANTICIPATE RESUBMITTING THEIR CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS IN MID-AUGUST, AND PER AN EMAIL I RECEIVED TODAY.

THE DEVELOPER ANTICIPATES STARTING CONSTRUCTION AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR.

I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FROM CHAIRPERSON HISS.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND ANSWER. ONE IS ABOUT EASEMENTS REQUIRED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

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THOSE EASEMENTS MUST, ANY EASEMENT REQUIRED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO FULLY COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S REGULATIONS MUST BE FILED, AND THAT RECORDING INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THE CITY STAFF BEFORE WE'LL ISSUE PERMITS FOR CONSTRUCTION.

AND ALSO, MR. HISS, YOU ASKED ABOUT A DETENTION POND, AND THE LATEST PLAN SAYS DO SHOW A LARGE DETENTION POND TO THE REAR OF THE SHOPPING CENTER TO DETAIN WATER AND SLOW ITS FLOW BEFORE IT ENTERS INTO THE THE NATURAL DRAINAGE WAYS TO THE NORTH.

WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THE PRINCETON TOWN CENTER DEVELOPMENT.

IS THIS JUST, THIS ISN'T THE ITEM E.1 YET? CORRECT? CORRECT. WE SKIPPED AHEAD TO F.4. F.4. THANK YOU.

SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THE SUBMITTALS, THE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE YOU'VE GOTTEN SUBMITTALS.

WHAT WAS THE DATE OF THE MOST RECENT SUBMITTALS? SO FOR PHASE ONE, THE PRIMARY PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT FOR PRINCETON TOWN CENTER.

WE COMPLETED OUR REVIEW ON MARCH 27TH, 2025, AND OUR COMMENTS HAVE BEEN WITH THE DEVELOPER SINCE THAT TIME, BUT I HAVE BEEN IN FREQUENT COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.

THEY ARE STILL VERY ACTIVE IN WORKING ON ON THINGS, FINALIZING THEIR TENANT LINEUP AND WHATNOT, BUT WE HAVE REGULAR COMMUNICATION WITH THEM.

AND IT IS LOOKING LIKE THEY YOU SAID SEPTEMBER 2025, THEY'RE INTENDING TO START CONSTRUCTION EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN'T, I THINK I MISSED, YOU MENTIONED STILL SECURING THEIR THEIR EASEMENTS INCLUDING THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS STILL IN NEGOTIATION, OR IS IT LIKE JUST IN THE FINAL STAGES? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS. THEY SINCE THE LAST SUBMITTAL, WE FINISHED OUR REVIEW IN MARCH.

IT HADN'T BEEN FILED. IT VERY WELL COULD BE FILED AT THIS POINT. I WON'T KNOW UNTIL THEY FULLY MAKE A NEW SUBMITTAL.

BUT IS THE DEVELOPER HERE THIS EVENING? NO, THEY'RE UNABLE TO MAKE IT THIS EVENING.

THIS IS A THIS IS A QUESTION THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE BEST ASKED OF THE DEVELOPER.

SO IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER IT, I UNDERSTAND. BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT STRUCK ME.

I LOOKED UP LIKE THE THROUGH COLLIN COUNTY TAX, COLLIN COUNTY CAD THE TAXES ON THIS PROPERTY, I NOTICED SOME STRANGE THINGS THAT IT WAS STILL THEY STILL HAD IT LOOKED LIKE THEY STILL HAD AN AG EXEMPTION AND IT WAS IT WAS SPLIT IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES.

AND THEY HAD AG EXEMPTIONS STILL ON THEM IT APPEARED.

AND BECAUSE ORIGINALLY WHEN WE VOTED ON IT BACK IN, I THINK IT WAS AUGUST OF 2024, IT WAS SPLIT INTO LIKE 91 ACRES AND NOW IT'S SPLIT INTO, I THINK, THREE DIFFERENT PARCELS AND A SINGLE ACRE, 66 ACRES AND 23 ACRES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND SO I LOOKED AT THOSE AND THEY IT APPEARS THAT THEY'RE SPLIT UP AND THEY HAVE EXEMPTIONS STILL ON THEM.

AND I GUESS, REALLY THE QUESTION WAS LIKE, WHAT'S THE OWNERSHIP STATUS OF AND AS FAR AS BEING UPDATING WITH THE COUNTY, BUT AGAIN TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S OUTSIDE OF YOUR UNDERSTANDING.

YEAH. I DO NOT HAVE ANY INFORMATION FOR YOU IN THAT REGARD.

THIS BODY DID APPROVE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A CONVEYANCE PLOT, WHICH WAS FILED.

SO THEY THEY MAY HAVE SOLD OFF DIFFERENT PIECES, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE.

I DO HAVE, AND THIS MAY SOUND SILLY, BUT CAN WE SOMEHOW WORK WITH THEM SO THAT THEY CAN MAINTAIN THE LAND A LITTLE BETTER. IT'S A HUGE EYESORE.

DRIVING DOWN 380 AND HAVING GRASS, THAT'S LIKE UP TO MY KNEES AND WEEDS.

I MEAN, IT SOUNDS SILLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE.

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AND WE DON'T WANT THAT IMAGE. ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT BE MORE PROACTIVE ABOUT THEM MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY WITH IT BEING USED FOR AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES. THE ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE THEM TO MAINTAIN 200FT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO THAT, BUT I'LL GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF.

THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT I JUST NOTICED YESTERDAY THEY HAD CAUGHT UP ON MAINTENANCE OF YESTERDAY, BUT BEFORE YESTERDAY IT WAS PRETTY HIGH UP THERE.

THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. FISHER, I THINK I DIDN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF US TO SAY THAT WE'RE EXCITED TO GET THIS, THIS PROJECT RUNNING SO YOU CAN BREAK GROUND.

ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE WELCOME. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO

[E. PUBLIC HEARINGS]

GOOD EVENING. CRAIG FISHER DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SUP OR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PET SHOP AT THE PRINCETON TOWN CENTER.

THE REQUEST IS FOR A PET SHOP, AND I'LL READ THAT DEFINITION IF.

MISS CROWSON, IF YOU COULD SCROLL TO THE NEXT PAGE, PLEASE.

SO A PET SHOP IS DEFINED AS A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT OFFERING SMALL ANIMALS, FISH OR BIRDS FOR SALE AS PETS AND WHERE ALL SUCH CREATURES ARE HOUSED WITHIN THE BUILDING, THE DEVELOPER HAS A POTENTIAL TENANT THAT WOULD LIKE TO TO OPERATE AS A PET SHOP.

THAT'S THIS REQUEST. THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES A SUP FOR THIS ZONING DISTRICT.

AGAIN, AS THE DEFINITION STATES, ALL OF THE ANIMALS WILL BE HOUSED INSIDE THE BUILDING.

STAFF DID COORDINATE WITH THE DEVELOPER, AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING ONE STIPULATION TO THE REQUEST, AND THAT BE THAT THERE BE A LIMIT OF ONE PET SHOP ESTABLISHMENT WITHIN THE 66 ACRES WHERE THE SCP APPLIES.

SO IF APPROVED, THE SCP WOULD BE FOR THE ENTIRE 66 ACRES, AND THEY'D BE LIMITED TO ONLY HAVING ONE ESTABLISHMENT SOMEWHERE WITHIN THAT 66 ACRES.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. FIRST QUESTION IS FOR A LARGER TYPE RETAIL PET SHOP IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO TO WHERE THIS WOULDN'T NEED THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SELLING HORSES OR GOATS OR THEY'RE NOT A SMALL LITTLE PETS, A PET SHOP ONLY SELLING ANIMALS. THIS IS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT'S A BIG BOX, LARGE RETAIL THAT'S GOING TO SELL FISH AND BIRDS AND HOME TYPE ANIMALS, BUT ALSO THE FOOD AND ALL OF THE SUPPLIES THAT GO WITH IT.

AND THEY WILL PROVIDE GROOMING FOR ANIMALS. SO IT'S A LARGER TYPE PET SHOP.

MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THIS WILL BE A LARGE FORMAT RETAILER, BUT THIS SUP DOES NOT SPECIFY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE STORE.

IT WILL, IF APPROVED, WILL PERMIT A PET SHOP TO BE LOCATED ON THIS TRACT OF LAND, AND AS LONG AS THEY FALL WITHIN THAT DEFINITION AS DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE, THEY'LL BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE. BUT CAN WE CHANGE THEM THIS TYPE FROM BEING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S THAT CHART WE HAVE OF WHAT FALLS UNDER WHAT CONDITION.

SO YOU COULD MODIFY THE ORDINANCE TO AN SUP WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED.

THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE PROCESS TO DO A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

BUT WE CERTAINLY COULD EXPLORE THAT AT A FUTURE TIME.

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SO I AM NOT OPPOSED TO TAKING THE TEXT AMENDMENT FORWARD FOR THE FUTURE.

BUT AT THIS TIME, THIS IS WHAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES.

RIGHT. MAYBE WE COULD PUT THAT. MAYBE WE COULD PUT THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.

TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCES, TO REMOVE THE ZONING, TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PET SHOP.

SUP. YEAH. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, I KNOW FROM JUST PURE EXPERIENCE, PETSMART, PETCO, ALL THE DIFFERENT LITTLE PET BIG BOX PET STORES DO RUN ADOPTION EVENTS.

IS THERE A STIPULATION THAT WE CAN PUT IN THERE THAT THE ADOPTION EVENT MUST BE APPROVED BY THE STORE ITSELF, SO YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY DRIVING UP IN A VEHICLE AND JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN RIGHT OUTSIDE THE SHOP WANTING TO SELL PUPPIES OR KITTENS OR WHATEVER SNAKES. YOU COULD DEFINITELY PROPOSE THAT AS A RESTRICTION TO THE SUP.

SO WE COULD WORK ON SOME LANGUAGE IF YOU WANT TO DRAFT THAT.

I MEAN, I THINK YOU SAID IT QUITE WELL. IF YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT TO CITY COUNCIL, IT COULD DEFINITELY HAVE THAT INCLUDED AS A STIPULATION.

YES. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT A RECOMMENDATION.

DO I HAVE TO MAKE THAT A MOTION? WE DO NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FIRST.

OKAY. OH, SORRY. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR FOR PUBLIC APPEARANCE OR. I'M SORRY, FOR ITEM E.1, SUP20253077 AT 6:51 P.M..

ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? I ONLY HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I'D BROUGHT UP TO YOU.

PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS ITEM AND IT WAS REGARDING THE, SO FOR ANY SCP IT'S IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE A SITE PLAN AND THE WHAT WAS SHOWN, WHAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE AGENDA ITEM WITH THE SUPPLEMENTARY DOCUMENTS IS A CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE NEAR THE INFORMATION ON IT.

I THINK GIVEN THE SPECIFIC ITEM THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, I CAN I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY POTENTIALLY IT MIGHT NOT BE AS MUCH OF A CONCERN IN SOME ASPECTS. I GUESS THE BIGGER CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY NOT MEETING THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE INTENDED FOR FOR PASSING AN SCP, FOR SUBMITTING AN SCP.

IT'S REQUIRED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS.

AND AGAIN, IF THIS IS REMOVED AS A ZONING REQUIREMENT, IT WON'T EVEN MATTER.

I GUESS IT'S MORE SO JUST BRINGING IT UP THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING TO COUNCIL, AND IT DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THE WAY IT STANDS NOW.

THE APPLICATION REQUIRES A CONCEPT PLAN. A CONCEPT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER.

WE INCLUDED IT IN THE, DOCUMENTS ARE AVAILABLE IN THE AGENDA.

THE CONCEPT PLAN PROVIDED IS THE THE ADOPTED CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

MISS CROWSON, IF YOU WANT TO SCROLL TO THE LAST PAGE OF THE STAFF REPORT.

THERE IT IS. WILL THE PET SHOP, IS IT GOING TO BE IN PHASE ONE? SINCE THAT'S WHAT. THIS SUP DOESN'T IT DOESN'T DICTATE WHICH PHASE IT'S BUILT IN, IT JUST PERMITS THE LAND USE WITHIN THE 66 PLUS ACRE TRACT.

OKAY. AND. I DON'T SEE IT ON HERE, BUT DO WE HAVE, LIKE, DO THEY HAVE A CONTRACT AGREEMENT WITH THE PET STORE YET? I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. OKAY.

THANK YOU. I DO JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE HERE.

SO BASED ON SECTION 8230 FOR WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT,

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AND THEN THE, WHAT A SITE PLAN, WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE SITE PLAN IS LAID OUT.

AND SO IT'S 80, SORRY 8238 AND 8236 AND THE ITEM IN THE ORDINANCE IS THAT, THAT NOTES WHAT A SITE PLAN REQUIRES.

IT'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAT'S THERE. AGAIN, I DON'T.

PERHAPS, PERHAPS IT DOESN'T MATTER, ESPECIALLY IF WE GET RID OF THIS ORDINANCE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S THE CONCERN IS AGAIN THAT WE'RE PASSING SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS.

HOWEVER THAT BEING SAID YOU KNOW, THIS I CAN SEE HOW KNOWING THE EXACT SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS AND EVERYTHING IS NOT MAYBE AS APPLICABLE AS MIGHT BE IN OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES.

THOUGH I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THERE'S THAT EXCEPTION.

YEAH. AND IF THE COMMISSION FEELS THEY HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION THROUGH THAT SITE PLAN PROCESS TO MAKE A DECISION, YOU GUYS CERTAINLY CAN IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED THAT MORE INFORMATION TO MAKE THAT TYPE OF SUP, THAT'S Y'ALL'S PREROGATIVE IS TO JUST DEFINITELY WANT Y'ALL TO HAVE ADEQUATE INFORMATION TO TO MAKE THE SUP DECISION TONIGHT.

SO WHATEVER MY TWO CENTS IS WORTH ANYWAY. THANK YOU, MR. GIBBS. I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION IS THIS, SO I KNOW THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT EVERY SIX MONTHS, THEY WITHIN SIX MONTHS THEY NEED TO RESUBMIT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

AND AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, YOU WOULD YOU HAD SPOKE ABOUT HOW IF THEY MAKE ANY TYPE OF MAJOR CHANGE OR SUBMITTAL THEN THEY DO NOT, THEN THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU ESSENTIALLY TAKE THAT AS THE DATE MOVING FORWARD.

AND IF THEY DO, IF THEY SUBMIT ANOTHER ITEM, THEN WITHIN SIX MONTHS, THEN AND CONTINUOUSLY DO THAT WITHIN A SIX MONTH PERIOD, THEY DO NOT THEN NEED TO RESUBMIT A PRELIMINARY PLAT TO BE VOTED ON BY PLANNING AND ZONING.

SO MY QUESTION IS, IS WILL THIS ITEM COUNT AS THAT? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. THIS IS A LAND USE REQUEST FOR AN SUP.

THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REQUIRES A SUBMITTAL OF THE FINAL PLAT, OR PORTION THEREOF, WHICH I'VE CONSTITUTED THAT THE CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS COUNT AS THAT. SO THEY WILL NEED TO MAKE A SUBMITTAL WITHIN SIX MONTHS.

DATING BACK TO MARCH. SO WE NEED A SUBMITTAL BEFORE SEPTEMBER.

AND THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION REAL QUICK.

CHAIRPERSON HISS, I THINK WE NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I THINK YOU OPENED IT. I JUST WANT TO NOTE THE TIME FOR CLOSING IT BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION.

MY APOLOGIES. AND JUST TO TO PIGGYBACK OFF WHAT MR. GIBBS SAID EARLIER, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AT THIS TIME, WE COULD CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE NEXT MEETING SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REPOST IT, BUT THAT'S JUST AN OPTION. YOU CAN EITHER CLOSE IT NOW AND TAKE A VOTE, OR WE CAN CONTINUE IT TO THE NEXT MEETING.

EITHER ONE I THINK WE FROM AT LEAST FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH JUST BASED OFF OF THE REQUEST.

BEING THAT WE'RE JUST ASKING, PERMITTING OR GIVING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS PET SHOP, I DO REMEMBER SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WOULD ONLY BE ONE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ON THIS PROPERTY.

AND FROM THE DEFINITION OF A PET SHOP, THAT ALL PETS WOULD BE HAVE TO BE SOLD, WOULD BE INSIDE THE BUILDING.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ADDRESSES THE CONDITION THAT YOU WANTED TO TO ADD IN THAT, BUTGO AHEAD.

I'LL GO AHEAD AND LET YOU GUYS OPEN THE VOTE.

WELL, I THINK KEVIN STILL HAS TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC MEETING.

OH, SORRY, SORRY, TO CLARIFY, COMMISSIONER COOPER, YOU'RE SAYING TO ADD THAT AS A REQUIREMENT, THE RECOMMENDATION OF COUNCIL? NO, I WAS I WAS JUST SAYING, I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW IT APPEARS I THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION JUST BASED OFF OF JUST GIVE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PLANNING, ZONING, ANYTHING ELSE REGARDING THAT THE SIZE OF THE EASEMENT I DON'T THINK THAT'S ENCOMPASSED IN THIS ACTUAL REVIEW. YOU'RE JUST ASKING ABOUT GRANTING SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE PET SHOP.

CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SAY, I THINK THAT WAS CLEAR TO ME.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR TO EVERYONE ELSE. YEAH, I THINK BY NOT INCLUDING THE SITE PLAN AND BEING MORE SPECIFIC, IT JUST IT OPENS UP THE DEVELOPER TO CHANGE THINGS BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME THAT THEY ACTUALLY DO SUBMIT A FINAL SITE PLAN.

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WE PROVIDED IT TO YOU. IT'S A CONCEPT PLAN. IT'S A BASIC LAYOUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.

BUT IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION, IF YOU WANT MORE DETAILS, THAT'S UP TO YOU.

WE CAN TABLE IF YOU SO CHOOSE. SO. OH, WELL, THAT I'M RUNNING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION BECAUSE YOU DID ANSWER A QUESTION PREVIOUSLY THAT THAT I ASKED THAT I HAVEN'T REALLY ASKED HERE.

AND THAT WAS BECAUSE WE DID DO A CONVEYANCE PLOT BACK IN MARCH.

AND MY INITIAL QUESTION WAS WHEN WE, WHY IS THIS NOT APPLICABLE TO A SPECIFIC PLOT THAT'S ON THE CONVEYANCE PLOT? AND I THINK YOUR ANSWER WAS, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO HOLD THEM TO A PARTICULAR BUILDING BECAUSE THEY MAY DECIDE TO PLACE A A PARTICULAR TENANT, INCLUDING ONE THAT MAY FIT THE CATEGORY HERE FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT INTO A DIFFERENT BUILDING THAT FALLS ON A DIFFERENT PLOT.

I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION THAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM YOU.

CLARIFY ME IF I'M INCORRECT. SO THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

THEY REQUESTED THE SUP FOR THE WHOLE 66 ACRES.

SO THEY'RE NOT TIED TO A SPECIFIC LOCATION AT THIS TIME AS THEY NEGOTIATE LEASES.

THINGS MAY MOVE AROUND, BUT THE APPLICANT MADE THIS REQUEST TO HAVE THE SUP APPLY FOR THE ENTIRE 66 ACRES.

THEY DIDN'T MENTION WHETHER THEY HAVE A LETTER OF INTENT FOR LIKE A SPECIFIC A SPECIFIC PET SHOP THAT'S INTENDING TO MOVE IN.

NO, THEY DID NOT PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION, NOR IS IT REQUIRED.

IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I WILL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:01 P.M..

THAT'S OKAY. I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DO APPROVE IT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF ANY TYPE OF OUTDOOR ADOPTION EVENTS MUST BE APPROVED BY THE, YOU KNOW, BY THE STORE, BY THE PET SHOP ITSELF, THE MANAGER.

THEY MUST BE SCHEDULED AND APPROVED.

NOT FROM THE CITY. JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU MEANT FROM JUST WITHIN THE.

YES. AND MISS ELLIS, JUST FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION TO ARE YOU IS ARE YOU ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO JUST THE ONE PER 66? JUST ONE IF THAT IS A YES. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE MOTION EITHER WAY.

YES. THE ONE PET SHOP IN THE 66.3 AREA, OR 66.623 TO BE EXACT. TRACK OF LAND ONLY ONE PET SHOP, AND IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO HOLD ANY TYPE OF ADOPTION EVENTS, THEY MUST BE PRE-APPROVED AND SCHEDULED.

AND I WOULD ADD TO THAT, JUST TO POTENTIALLY STAVE OFF ANY ISSUES THAT MAY OCCUR DOWN THE ROAD, IS TO ADD TO THAT, THE CONTINGENCY THAT WE FOLLOW UP WITH ONCE ONCE THEY HAVE A LOCATION THAT THEY WANT TO TIE THIS TO, TO ALSO THEN TIE IT TO THAT PLOT. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, I THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP TO YOU BEFORE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A STRIP CENTER, FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAVE A MANAGER THAT DECIDES THEY WANT ONE PET SHOP OR WHATEVER.

THEY DON'T WANT MULTIPLE PET SHOPS. AND IF YOU END UP WITH AT MULTIPLE MANAGERS AND MULTIPLE BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE OWNED BY SEPARATE ENTITIES BECAUSE, WHICH WAS THE INTENTION OF DOING THE CONVEYANCE.

IF YOU HAVE IF, SAY, WHATEVER PET SHOP MOVES OUT, THEN DO ALL OF THE SEPARATE LANDOWNERS, THEN START THINKING, OKAY, WELL, I CAN HAVE A PET SHOP.

IF I GET SOMEBODY IN HERE FIRST. SO I THINK IT MAKES IN MY MIND, BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE ONE MANAGEMENT TEAM FOR THE ENTIRE COMPLEX AND IT'S IN THE ZONE. IT MAKES SENSE TO REQUIRE THAT THEY FOLLOW UP WITH TYING THIS TO THE THE SPECIFIC PLOT THAT THEY WIND UP CHOOSING. MAY I SUGGEST THAT BE PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT AND THAT CITY STAFF ADMINISTER THIS SO THAT,

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I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY. THAT'S.

THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE DOING, MR. GIBBS. YEAH. I MEAN, ONE STRATEGY IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE IF SGP HAS A SUNSET DATE.

SOME OF THEM. A LOT OF CITIES HAVE A SIX MONTH EXPIRATION ON AN SGP.

I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE CASE HERE IN THE CITY OF PRINCETON, BUT YOU CERTAINLY CAN PUT A CONDITION ON THIS SGP FOR ONCE.

THEY DO KNOW THE EXACT APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF THAT PET SHOP.

YOU CAN THEN COME BACK AND AMEND THAT SGP TO PIN DOWN WHAT THAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WHERE THAT ONE SPACE IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

YOU CAN THEN PIN IT DOWN AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THAT CONDITION IN THIS ORDINANCE IF YOU, SO IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSIONER WANTS TO LOOK AT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S AN OPTION. YEAH. I WOULD ADD THAT, PREFER TO ADD THAT TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE RECOMMENDATION. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE DO HAVE ONE MOTION IN FAVOR? CORRECT. WE CAN ADD THAT ITEM TO IT. SO IT'S ALL ONE MOTION.

UNLESS WE HAVE TO MAKE THEM SEPARATE MOTIONS.

NO, I THINK ONE MOTION IS SUFFICIENT. I JUST FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION, YOU WANT TO HAVE THE THREE PART CONDITION ON THE MOTION.

ONE IS MAKING THEM COME BACK AND AMEND SUP ONCE THE EXACT LOCATION IS PINPOINTED, TWO BEING THAT THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED ONE PET SHOT ON THE PROPERTY, AND THEN THREE REQUIRING THAT ANY OUTDOOR ADOPTIONS MUST BE APPROVED IN ADVANCE BY THE PET SHOP.

IS THAT CORRECT? APPROVED AND SCHEDULED? YES.

YES. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S. I'LL SECOND THAT. WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.

CAN WE GET A VOTE? MOTION PASSES 4 TO 0.AND IF I MAY ADD SOMETHING ABOUT THE THE SPECIFIC USE TABLE, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING WE'RE GOING TO START LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL, KIND OF HOLISTICALLY. YOU KNOW, WITH THE COMP PLAN, WITH SOME NEW USES AND SOME NEW STUFF THAT'S COMING OUT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN, WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PERMITTED USE CHART REALLY REFLECTS WHAT THAT LAND USE PLAN IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE WITH THOSE NEW DISTRICTS AND THOSE NEW AREAS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE VETTING THAT FAIRLY SOON AFTER WE GOT TO GET A GOOD HANDLE OF WHAT THAT FUTURE LAND USE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

IT'LL GIVE US A BETTER, YOU KNOW, A BETTER WAY TO GOOD FOUNDATION TO START FIGURING OUT WHAT USES ARE APPROPRIATE IN WHAT AREA.

SO BE ON THE LOOKOUT. PROBABLY SOMETIME THIS YEAR, I WOULD THINK WOULD START THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO START TALKING ABOUT SOME PERMITTED PROHIBITED USES, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. THANK YOU, MR. GIBBS. REGULAR AGENDA ITEM F.1 FP20253094.

[F. REGULAR AGENDA (Part 2 of 2)]

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. COLE DAVENPORT, PLANNER.

THIS REQUEST IS FOR FINAL PLAT APPROVAL OF A NINE ACRE TRACT OFF OF BEAUCHAMP AND MONTE CARLO.

THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED PD TEN AND THE USE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

THIS PROJECT HAS ACTUALLY ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTION AND HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND HAS BEEN OPERATING UNDER A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY SINCE JANUARY OF 2024.

PER THE DIRECTION OF THE PREVIOUS CITY ADMINISTRATION, FINAL PLAT APPROVAL IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO ISSUE A FULL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, AND THE REASON THIS WAS PLACED ON THE REGULAR AGENDA IS JUST BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF ODD THAT IT'S SO FAR AFTER THE FACT THAT THIS FINAL PLATS APPEARING BEFORE YOU FROM THE COMPLEX ACTUALLY BEING OPEN AND OCCUPIED. CITY STAFF'S BEEN ON SITE AND INSPECTED THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT, AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT I SUBMITTED.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. DO WE KNOW WHY IT'S A YEAR AND A HALF LATER? THAT. THE CEO WASN'T GIVEN. YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY WITH A WITH A PROJECT SUCH AS THIS AT THIS MULTIFAMILY, ONCE YOU ISSUE THE, THE TCO THAT MEANS PEOPLE ARE THERE LIVING THERE AT THAT POINT.

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BUT THE DEVELOPERS, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM TO TO GET THIS BEFORE WE ALL, IN THIS FINAL PLAT, MEET CITY STANDARDS. ARE THE DEVELOPERS HERE THIS EVENING? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. NO. IN THAT PART I UNDERSTAND.

AND OF COURSE, I DON'T WANT TO TOSS ANYBODY OUT OF THEIR HOUSE.

I'M JUST MORE CURIOUS WHY IT TOOK A YEAR AND A HALF, BASICALLY TO GET TO HERE, WHEN YOU WOULD THINK SINCE IT'S BEEN COMPLETED, IT SHOULD HAVE COME TO WHETHER IT'S US OR THE COMMISSION OF PLANNING AND ZONING AT LEAST A YEAR AGO. ABSOLUTELY.

AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. I MEAN, AGAIN, THIS WAS A DECISION MADE BY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. THIS GROUP HAD SOME ISSUES WITH SOME ON SITE CONSTRUCTION. THEY HAD TO LINE QUITE A FEW SANITARY SEWER MANHOLES, AND THERE WERE SOME OFF SITE THINGS THAT NEEDED TO HAVE HAPPEN, SUCH AS THE MANHOLES AS WELL AS THERE WERE SOME WATER VALVES THAT NEEDED EXTENSIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THAT TOOK THEM A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. AND THOSE ITEMS HAVE FOR SURE BEEN COMPLETED.

YES, THEY'VE BEEN COMPLETED. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S A NUMBER OF INSPECTIONS THAT NEEDED TO OCCUR FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. MY QUESTION IS, WHAT WAS THE PROCESS FOR PERFORMING THOSE INSPECTIONS FOR WHEN INSPECTIONS WERE NOT DONE AFTER THE FACT, BECAUSE YOU SAID THIS WAS APPROVED, WHICH MEANS THAT THE EXISTING THERE WERE IT WAS A IT WAS APPROVED WITH THE TCO, WITH THE EXISTING INSPECTIONS IN PLACE. WHEN YOU SAY IT WAS THE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE BEFORE YOU, PEOPLE MADE THIS DECISION BEFORE YOU JOINED. SO CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OR DO YOU HAVE.

I DID REQUEST DOCUMENTATION. LIKE, IF YOU GUYS. WHATEVER YOU GUYS CAN SHOW US TO HELP US KNOW THAT.

THAT WHEN WE APPROVE THIS, WE'RE NOT APPROVING SOMETHING THAT THAT THINGS HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN BEFORE WITH DEPARTMENTS YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL ISSUES THAT ARE OVERLOOKED.

SO WHAT CAN YOU PROVIDE US TO, TO LET US KNOW THAT THAT YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING, GIVEN THE LIMITATIONS YOU HAVE AND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE AT TCO, THAT YOU HAVE DONE EVERYTHING YOU CAN OVER THIS YEAR AND A HALF TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE THEY'RE UP TO DATE ON EVERYTHING.

AND, AND IT'S BUILT TO THE PROPER STANDARDS. WELL, I DO KNOW FOR ONE FROM THE BUILDING SIDE OF IT THAT THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS WERE ALL COMPLETED AND THE BUILDINGS WERE ALL FILED AND PASSED BY OUR BY OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS AS FAR AS THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PORTION GOES.

ONE OF THE HANDOUTS ACTUALLY BEST EXPLAINS IT BEST FOR WHAT WE LOOK AT DURING THESE. IT'S TITLED PRELIMINARY WALKTHROUGH OF PUNCH LIST CHECKLIST AND IT SHOULD BE IN FRONT OF YOU ALL. SO THOSE ARE ALL THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE GO OUT THERE AND DO AN INSPECTION OF THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND WE KEEP GOING OUT THERE UNTIL UNTIL EVERY ITEM IS ADDRESSED.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE LETTER, WE WERE MOST RECENTLY DID AN INSPECTION JULY 3RD, AND THAT CAUSED OUR ENGINEER TO PROVIDE A LETTER OF SATISFACTORY COMPLETION AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM.

JUST TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. I WAS GOING TO GET TO THIS LATER IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. PRESENTATION.

WHEN WE DO GO OUT THERE, WE INSPECT EVERY ASSET ASPECT OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TURN EVERY WATER VALVE FLOW, EVERY FIRE HYDRANT, OPEN EVERY MANHOLE, LOOK AT EVERY INCH OF OF FIRE LAND AND PUBLIC PAVEMENT. AND WE PRETTY MUCH LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED BEFORE PLACING A FINAL PLAT ON AN AGENDA.

I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, HOW COMMON IS THAT? ARE THIS SITUATION THAT WE WOULD WE WOULD HAVE A FINAL APPROVAL AFTER CONSTRUCTION OR EVEN.

I'VE ALWAYS ASSUMED THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE PLANNING PROCESS. EVERYTHING WOULD BE DONE BEFORE WE EVEN BREAK GROUND OR ACTUALLY WE WOULD ERECT A BUILDING.

SO IS THAT, IS THIS A COMMON THING OR IS THIS JUST A ONE OFF FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT? THIS IS THIS IS PRETTY RARE. TYPICALLY THE FINAL PLAT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU BEFORE ANY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY HAS BEEN ISSUED.

IN THIS CASE, IT WASN'T FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

TYPICALLY FOR SUBDIVISION, YOU'LL SEE THE FINAL PLAT BEFORE ANY HOUSES ARE ACTUALLY BUILT.

AND FOR COMMERCIAL, YOU'LL SEE IT BEFORE THE BUILDING IS OCCUPIED AND OPEN FOR BUSINESS.

SO IN THIS SITUATION, BEFORE THERE WERE ANY ANY OCCUPANTS IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, A FINAL PLOT SHOULD HAVE COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION.

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WE'RE CLEANING UP SOME SOME PAST STUFF RELATED TO GET IT TO A GOOD PLACE.

ONLY ,TYPICALLY THE ONLY TIME I'VE REALLY SEEN IT IT'S SOMETIMES SCHOOLS, SOMETIMES WILL BE BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO RUSH TO GET OPEN FOR KIDS TO OCCUPY THE SCHOOL. SOMETIMES THE PLOT DOES LAG A LITTLE BEHIND THAT.

USUALLY IT'S DEALING WITH AS BUILT. BUT YEAH, THIS IS A RARE CASE.

AND UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE HAVING TO CLEAN UP SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WAS DONE PRIOR TO THE GROUP THAT'S IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT.

SO I KNOW IT'S A PRECARIOUS SITUATION. ONCE SOMEBODY OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND TELLING THEM TO SHUT DOWN, IT'S IT KIND OF TIES EVERYBODY'S HANDS BECAUSE IT'S A BIG BURDEN TO DO THAT.

AND SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S THINKING ABOUT DOING THAT.

AGAIN, MY CONCERNS WERE LIKE, OKAY, DID WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN OVER THIS LAST YEAR AND A HALF TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ALL THE BOXES ARE CHECKED AND THE PUNCH LISTS ARE FILLED AND WE'RE NOT AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TENANTS, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS IN A YEAR FROM FROM ISSUES.

YEAH. ANOTHER THING ABOUT THAT IS BECAUSE IT ALSO HAS BEEN OPEN SO LONG WITHOUT FINAL APPROVAL.

THE MAINTENANCE BONDS WON'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE FINAL PLOT.

SO THEY'LL GET AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS AFTER CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR THIS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR YOU TO ANSWER OR MAYBE FRED TO ANSWER, BUT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER TEMPORARY COS OUT THERE THAT WERE PRIOR TO ALL OF US THAT WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT OR LOOK AT AS A FUTURE, AND HOW ARE WE APPROACHING THOSE? A TEMPORARY CO THAT YOU NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT? NO. FOR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO ISSUE A TEMPORARY CFO TO ALLOW THEM TO MOVE FURNITURE IN AND THINGS LIKE THAT PRIOR TO FINAL PLAT APPROVAL.

SO THERE ARE NO OTHER RESIDENTIAL OUT THERE WITH TEMPORARY COS? NOT TO MY NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO. OKAY. IS THERE.

AND AGAIN, MAYBE THIS IS A FUTURE ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT TO BE CHECKED INTO TO CONFIRM IT.

IT'S JUST YOU THINK IF THERE'S ONE THERE MIGHT BE OTHERS BECAUSE WE ALL WEREN'T HERE WHEN THESE THINGS WERE DONE.

YEAH, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY CHECK INTO THAT. BUT I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS THE ONLY PROJECT THAT IS LIKE THIS WITH THIS TYPE OF STATUS.

OKAY. AND AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS DONE BECAUSE IT WAS BEFORE US.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THESE TCOS ARE TYPICALLY RENEWED BY YOUR DEPARTMENT, LIKE, EVERY 90 DAYS OR SO. RIGHT. SO YOU, YOU YOU SHOULD HAVE A VERY GOOD IDEA OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE THERE.

NOBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO DIG FOR ANYTHING. CORRECT? YES. THAT'S CORRECT. AND I DO RECALL AND MAYBE THIS IS THE COMMUNITY AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THERE WAS A RESIDENT AT A COUNCIL MEETING.

IT WASN'T THE LAST ONE, BUT IT WAS THE ONE BEFORE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEIR COMMUNITY DIDN'T HAVE A CO, AND I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHAT COMMUNITY IT WAS.

I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK, BUT THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT BUILDERS IN THERE.

ONE BUILDER GOT IT, THE OTHER BUILDER DIDN'T.

SO. JUST THAT. THAT'S GOT ME THINKING ABOUT THIS AND THAT. YOU BROUGHT THIS ONE. THANK YOU.

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THAT WAS WHITE WING, WHICH I THINK ARE THE SAME DEVELOPERS AS THIS.

RIGHT? I KNOW THEY'RE BOTH CALLED WHITE WING. AND THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT IS, IS THERE IS THERE.

BECAUSE THE ANSWER THAT WE GOT ABOUT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY GIVE A CO IF IT'S REQUESTED THIS IS A SINGULAR CO FOR THE ENTIRE APARTMENT COMPLEX. RIGHT. IT'S NOT THERE'S NO INDIVIDUAL CO'S FOR INDIVIDUAL APARTMENTS.

IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, EACH BUILDING IS CODE SEPARATELY AS WELL AS THE AMENITY CENTER.

I BELIEVE WHAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT IS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING, WHICH WAS THE DIFFERENCE.

SO IT'S PER BUILDING, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.

IT'S NOT JUST. OKAY. AND SO THEY'VE BEEN YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN RENEWING EVERY 90 DAYS OR HOWEVER LONG FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.

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I BELIEVE THE CO HAS CONTINUOUSLY RENEWED. YES.

THE TCO. SORRY.

UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I'LL SEEK A MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE FOR FP20253094.

I'LL SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A FIRST AND A SECOND.

LET ME GO AHEAD AND VOTE.

MOTION PASSES 4 TO 0. ON TO ITEM F.2. PL20253090. PRELIMINARY PLAT MCDONALD'S ADDITION DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AND RECOMMENDED AND RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST FROM COVE EQUITIES FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL FOR A PROPERTY BEING 14.224 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN DAVID CHERRY. SURVEY ABSTRACT NUMBER 166 CITY PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS. THIS REQUEST IS FOR PRELIMINARY PLOT APPROVAL OF A 14 ACRE TRACT OFF OF FM 75.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED PD 18 AND THE USE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THIS TRACT HAS PREVIOUSLY APPEARED BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AND WAS APPROVED.

YOU'RE SEEING THIS PLOT COME BACK BECAUSE THERE WAS A CHANGE WHERE THEY ADDED A REGIONAL DETENTION POND, WHICH REQUIRED THEM TO PROPOSE QUITE A FEW MORE DRAINAGE EASEMENTS THAT WERE SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT CAME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION IN OCTOBER OF 2024. BUT WE DEEMED THIS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE AND BROUGHT THE PLOT BACK BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS THIS UPDATED SUBMITTAL AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE, AND I DO BELIEVE SOMEONE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS HERE AS WELL. SURE.

WHO'S HERE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM? GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME.

SORRY, MA'AM. PUSH THE BUTTON ON YOUR LEFT TO TURN THE MICROPHONE ON.

THERE YOU GO. THERE WE GO. MY NAME IS DANIELLE CARTER, AND I'M WITH OFI CHITO ON BEHALF OF MCDONALD'S, I HANDLE ALL OF THEIR ENTITLEMENTS. AND WITH ME, I HAVE LANCE, WHO IS WITH PAPE-DAWSON, THE ENGINEERING FIRM.

DO YOU WANT TO JUST GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE CHANGES? WHAT CHANGES YOU MADE AND WHY YOU MADE THEM? THE DEVELOPER REQUESTS THAT WE ADD IN A REGIONAL DETENTION POND THAT WOULD TAKE THE DRAINAGE NORTH OF OUR LOTS.

SO WE ENLARGED THE POND. I THINK YOU SHOWED UP THERE, BUT JUST ENLARGDE THE POND TO HANDLE THE FLOWS FROM THE, GET YOU THE RIGHT NUMBER HERE, THE FOUR ACRES NORTH OF US.

I WILL SAY THAT I VOTED AGAINST THIS PLAN ORIGINALLY IT WAS BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE ISSUES, AND WHEN I SAW THIS, IT MADE ME A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE. YOU GUYS ARE PUTTING A A VERY LARGE, RELATIVELY LARGE DETENTION POND IN PLACE, AND THE FACT THAT THEY'VE ACCOUNTED FOR A LOT MORE WATER FLOW THROUGH THAT AREA.

DEFINITELY EASES MY CONCERN. I LIVE IN NEAR THIS, AND SO I'M A LITTLE BIT FAMILIAR AND SEE THE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME FROM HERE.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU GUYS FOR I KNOW THERE WAS PROBABLY A BIG, A MAJOR CHANGE.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW THIS IS LIKE THIS IS SPLIT IN THE CORNER BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THE PLAT HAD ENCOMPASSED THAT CORNER AT THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF I THINK WE WERE ORIGINALLY TOLD IT WAS A GAS STATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WAS SOUTH OF MCDONALD'S.

SO WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS A PIECE OF LAND THAT WAS SOLD OR THE NORTHEAST? I HONESTLY COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT THEY WERE PLANNING ON DOING WITH THAT. I KNOW WE WHEN WE DID THE DRAINAGE,

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OKAY. BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE SPECIFICALLY WORKING WITH MCDONALD'S, YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, THAT'S THAT'S OUTSIDE OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

OKAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON F.2 PL20253090 TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE MCDONALD'S EDITION. I'LL SECOND THAT.

WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. WE GO AND VOTE.

I'VE GOT I'M SHOWING THREE VOTES. SOMEBODY'S NOT REGISTERED.

THERE WE GO. MOTION PASSES 4 TO 0. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU GUYS.

MOVE ON TO ITEM F.3. DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. PRESENTATION.

PRESENTATION ON THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS REQUESTED BY COMMISSIONER COOPER.

YEAH, SO THIS ONE'S PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY. THIS IS A PRESENTATION ON THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE OF MOST DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE CITY OF PRINCETON.

OFTENTIMES THE FIRST SUBMITTAL AFTER ZONING OR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT OR ANY ENTITLEMENTS THAT THE CITY SEES AND FORMALLY REVIEWS THE PRELIMINARY PLOT PRELIMINARY PLOT IS ANY PLOT OF ANY LOT, TRACT OR PARCEL OF LAND THAT IS NOT TO BE RECORDED IN COLLIN COUNTY, BUT IS ONLY A PROPOSED RECORD OF THE DIVISION OF LAND.

SO ESSENTIALLY, IT'S A CONCEPTUAL REVIEW. NOTHING GETS PERMANENTLY FILED WITH COLLIN COUNTY.

I'VE LINKED IN OUR PRELIMINARY PLAT REQUIREMENTS, AND THE HIGHLIGHTS ARE ESSENTIALLY, IT'S EXACTLY AS IT SAYS, IT'S PRELIMINARY. SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE PRELIMINARY UTILITY PLANS FOR WATER SEWER DRAINAGE.

IT WILL SHOW EXISTING AND PROPOSED INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS PROPOSED STREETS.

THIS IS A VERY CONCEPTUAL REVIEW IN NATURE, AND THIS APPEARS BEFORE BOTH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL.

WE REQUIRE THESE WHENEVER A PROJECT IS PROPOSING NEW PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AFTER A PRELIMINARY PLOT IS APPROVED, CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOLLOW AFTERWARDS. AND THIS IS A MORE DETAILED, IN-DEPTH REVIEW OF ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DONE TO A SITE.

SO IN THE LINKS, I INCLUDED OUR CRITERIA FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL AS OUR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS.

THIS IS THE STAGE WHEN WE DETERMINE IF A DRAINAGE STUDY OR A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED.

THESE PLANS ARE STAFF APPROVED. AND ONCE THESE DO GET APPROVAL FROM CITY STAFF, A PROJECT IS RELEASED FOR CONSTRUCTION.

AFTER A PROJECT GETS RELEASED FOR CONSTRUCTION AND THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS BUILT THE DEVELOPER AND THEIR CONTRACTORS WILL REQUEST A CONSTRUCTION WORK, WHICH IS AN INSPECTION BY PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERING AS WELL AS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

THIS IS ESSENTIALLY JUST ENSURING THAT WHAT IS CONSTRUCTED IN THE FIELD MATCHES THE APPROVED PLANS.

WE INSPECT ALL PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE SO WE'LL OPEN MANHOLES, TURN WATER VALVES, FLOW FIRE HYDRANTS, LOOK AT STORM OUTFALLS, LOOK AT STREETS AND SIDEWALKS.

WE'LL ALSO EXAMINE ITEMS SUCH AS GRADING, EROSION CONTROL AND LANDSCAPING.

THEY ALSO PROVIDE US WITH A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION AT THESE WALKS, SUCH AS A SPARK TEST RESULTS FOR MANHOLES, RETAINING WALL LETTERS, A SATISFACTORY COMPLETION FROM THE DESIGN ENGINEER, AND MAINTENANCE BONDS.

THERE ARE OFTEN AT LEAST 3 OR 4 CONSTRUCTION WALKS FOR MOST PROJECTS, AND WE NEVER PLACE FINAL PLOTS ON THE AGENDA UNTIL WE GET APPROVAL ONE FROM THEIR DESIGN ENGINEER AS WELL AS THE CITY'S ENGINEER.

THE LAST STEP OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS A FINAL PLAT, WHICH IS A TECHNICAL DRAWING THAT SHOWS THE EXACT DIMENSIONS AND BEARINGS.

AND THIS INSTRUMENT ACTUALLY GETS FILED AND IS AN OFFICIAL PERMANENT RECORD OF THE DIVISION OF LAND.

SO THE DEVELOPER WILL TAKE IT TO COLLIN COUNTY AND FORMALLY FILE IT.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE LAST STEP. AND ONCE AGAIN IT APPEARS BEFORE BOTH P&Z, AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL AFTER THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED AS WELL AS

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AND I'VE LINKED THE THE CRITERIA DOWN THERE AS WELL.

AND I KNOW I RAN THROUGH THAT KIND OF QUICK, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE. YEAH.

SO IN THAT PROCESS OR BETWEEN EACH PHASE IN THERE WHAT INSPECTIONS ARE DONE? YOU MENTIONED THERE'S A CONSTRUCTION WALK AFTER YOU HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

BUT BEFORE WE DO PRELIMINARY PLAT CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

IS THERE ANY, I GUESS INTERMEDIATE REVIEW OR INSPECTION AS PHASES ARE COMPLETED? WE REVIEW ALL THESE IS A IS IS JUST SUBMITTALS.

WE DON'T DO ANY INSPECTIONS UNTIL THE CONSTRUCTION WALK.

PUBLIC WORKS DOES DO SOME INSPECTIONS WHENEVER THEY TIE INTO SEWER LINES OR INSTALL WATER LINES.

OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF GOES OUT THERE AND SUPERVISES THAT.

BUT AT THE POINT OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, NOTHING'S BUILT AND NOTHING'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

I MEAN, WE COULD GO HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT, MAKE SURE THE GRASS IS MOWED, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE'S NOT REALLY A WHOLE LOT FOR US TO INSPECT UNTIL THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY BUILT AND THE STREETS ARE PAVED. SO WE'RE ABLE TO WALK AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT. YEAH, I GUESS TO BE CLEAR. SO THERE'S A PLAT THAT'S THERE.

WHAT'S WHAT'S OUR CHECKS AND BALANCES IS, I GUESS, MORE OF A IN A LINE QUESTION AS FAR AS WHEN THINGS AREN'T ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED YET. SO YOU'RE HAVING THAT PLOT. WHAT'S THE PROCESS, I GUESS, TO VERIFY THAT THE ENGINEERS HAVE DONE ALL THEIR CHECKS AND BALANCES? CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT WHAT YOU MEAN AS FAR AS CHECKS AND BALANCES? YEAH, I THINK IN GENERAL FROM WHAT I WAS GETTING BEFORE, AND I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WHY I KIND OF ASKED FOR THIS MEETING.

IF WE CAN HAVE MORE CLARITY AS HOW ARE WE VERIFYING THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE IN ACCORDANCE TO THE LAWS OR JUST REQUIREMENTS THAT'S THERE? TYPICALLY WE'LL HAVE OUR CITY ENGINEER, I'M ASSUMING, JUST EXPLAIN THAT PROCESS IN GENERAL. YEAH. SO THERE'S A COUPLE WAYS THAT WE IT'S CHECKS AND BALANCES AS YOU REFERRED.

ONE IS THE DESIGN ENGINEER PUTS THEIR STAMP ON IT ON THE PLANS, WHICH, I MEAN, THAT INCURS SOME LIABILITY FOR THEM.

BUT YES, THE CITY ENGINEER PROVIDES A LETTER.

AFTER EACH ONE OF THESE REVIEWS IS COMPLETED, STATING THAT IT MEETS OUR ORDINANCES AS WELL AS PROVIDE VARIOUS PUNCH LISTS AND LETTERS WHEN WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING THESE INSPECTIONS AS WELL, AND THEY'RE SIGNING THEIR NAME ONTO THOSE.

ARE THOSE PUNCH LISTS SOMETHING THAT CAN BEGIN TO BE PROVIDED TO US? I THINK THAT SO I'VE SEEN SOME OF THEM WERE I'VE REQUESTED DOCUMENTATION AND I GET LIKE A SERIES OF THESE PUNCH LISTS.

AND IT REALLY IT DOES TWO THINGS. IT HELPS ME TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THAT YOU ALL HAVE GONE THROUGH.

AND NUMBER TWO, IT ALSO GIVES SOME SENSE OF SECURITY LIKE THAT WHEN, WHEN KIMLEY-HORN AND OR OUR ENGINEER AND THE CITY AND EVERYBODY THAT YOU CAN TELL THERE'S THIS BACK AND FORTH AND ITERATIVE APPROACH TOWARDS MAKING SURE AND YOU CAN READ THE COMMENTS AND EVERYTHING TOWARDS MAKING SURE THAT THAT THESE ITEMS ARE DONE RIGHT AND REALLY SEEING THE TIMELINE ON THAT.

IT GIVES A ENTIRELY DIFFERENT VIEW ON THE PROJECT.

SO IT IS SOMETHING I REQUESTED PREVIOUSLY, AND I WOULD REQUEST THAT AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE VIEWPOINT THAT IT GIVES US AS COMMISSIONERS, MORE DECIDED ON SOMETHING. YES.

IF YOU NEED A PUNCH LIST, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO REQUEST THAT I CAN.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM SHARING THOSE WITH YOU. I ALSO INCLUDED AN EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT WE DID LAST WEEK ALONG WITH THE PRELIMINARY WALKTHROUGH CHECKLIST.

YEAH, I THINK JUST LIKE BY DEFAULT, EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF THINGS CAN BE SENT TO IT, IF THE CONCERN IS THROWING TOO MUCH INFORMATION UP ON THESE AGENDAS.

YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT BUT GIVING US SOMETHING THAT THAT ALLOWS US WITHOUT HAVING TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND REQUEST IT, THAT WE CAN JUST KIND OF GET A REALLY GOOD IDEA OF THE TIMELINE AND ITERATIVE APPROACH THAT CAME TO THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE THAT WE'RE VOTING ON.

THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN EXPLORE.

YES. QUESTION. ON THE CONSTRUCTION WALKS WITH THE RETAINING WALLS.

ARE THE LETTERS, THE INSPECTIONS ONLY THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE OR DOES INCLUDE THE ONES FOR THE PRIVATE HOMES AS WELL?

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WE REQUIRE THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THE RETAINING WALLS THAT THAT ARE CERTIFIED BY A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.

AND IF SOMETHING IS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS WITH THE RETAINING WALL, I MEAN, IF IT'S WELL POINTED OUT, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY ENGINEER, PUBLIC WORKS OR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS INSPECTING AT THIS AT THIS STAGE.

A LOT OF THE RETAINING WALL INSPECTIONS WILL BE HANDLED DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT PHASE, WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO DO A FINAL ON AN ACTUAL INDIVIDUAL LOT.

OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS ARE LOOKING AT THAT, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE PRIVATE HOME AT THAT TIME.

CORRECT. OKAY. AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ON THE MINOR PLATS? BECAUSE I KNOW THEY DON'T COME TO US. YES. THAT'S CORRECT.

A MINOR PLAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S JUST STAFF APPROVED.

A MINOR PLAT IS REQUIRED WHEN THERE'S NO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE BEING INVOLVED.

SO IF SOMEONE IS JUST. YOU SEE THESE A LOT IN THE EDGE.

SOMEONE THAT'S JUST TRYING TO PUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN WHEN THEY'RE NOT INSTALLING ANY OF THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THOSE ARE JUST APPROVED AT A STAFF LEVEL.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THOSE.

I THINK WE GAVE A PLOTTING PRESENTATION A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO.

I THINK WE WENT INTO SOME SOME IN-DEPTH DETAIL ABOUT THOSE.

THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

IT IS VERY HELPFUL. YEAH. AND OBVIOUSLY THEY DO A LOT OF, THE STAFF DOES A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY, VERY CONDENSED VERSION OF IT. BUT YOU KNOW, YOU GOT SOME MIDDLES BACK AND FORTH.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF THE CHECKLISTS AND WHATNOT WE GO THROUGH TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THESE INDIVIDUAL BACK AND FORTH OF THE PLANS.

SO YEAH, THEY DO, THEY DO A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING WITHIN THAT.

AND THERE'S A PRE CON MEETINGS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

THERE'S DRC, THERE'S PRE AB MEETINGS. IT KIND OF SETS IT ALL UP BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO YOU KNOW THE CIVIL SIDE OF THINGS YOU KNOW THE DOCUMENTS SIDE OF THINGS.

SO AND PLANNING YOU KNOW A LOT OF THE LEGISLATION HAVE CHANGED A LOT ON THE PLANNING.

OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN PART OF THE SHOT CLOCK STUFF. IT PUTS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON US AS A COLLECTIVE GROUP TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THESE PLATS WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

YOU KNOW, NOW THERE'S SOME CITIES THAT HAVE ACTUALLY HAVE ADOPTED RULES WHERE STAFF CAN ACTUALLY APPROVE PLANTS.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEM BEFORE P&Z AND COUNCIL ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE SHOT CLOCK CONSTRAINTS WITH IT.

SO SOME OF THEM, SOME CITIES TREAT THEM LIKE MINOR PLATS.

YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CITY STAFF CAN APPROVE THEM AMENDING PLANTS, ANOTHER ONE THAT STAFF CAN APPROVE AS WELL.

BUT SOME OF THEM THAT HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, OBVIOUSLY THEY GOT TO COME BACK BEFORE LIKE SOME OF THE RE PLANTS AND WHATNOT.

BUT THINGS HAVE REALLY EVOLVED IN THE PLANNING WORLD OBVIOUSLY.

BUT THIS KIND OF THE STAFF'S DONE A GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY FOLLOWED THIS PROCESS.

AND WE'RE REFINING A PROCESS AS WE SPEAK. YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT ON BOTH SIDES. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY KIND OF IN THE THROES OF THAT RIGHT NOW.

HENCE THE TWO MEETINGS A MONTH. SORRY, GUYS. YOU KNOW, AND, AND SOME OF THE OTHER CHECKLISTS AND SUBMITTAL SCHEDULES THAT THE TEAM HAVE PUT TOGETHER TO HELP MAKE IT EVEN MORE STREAMLINED AND MORE PREDICTABLE FOR EVERYBODY.

SPEAKING OF THAT FIRST, VERY GOOD JOB. I KNOW THAT I'VE MENTIONED IN THE MEETING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU PERSONALLY ARE WORKING ON.

AND I DO WANT TO INVITE YOU, YOU KNOW, TO LET US KNOW AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU'RE NOT TOO BUSY, WHEN WE HAVE A MEETING, PICK ONE OF THESE BIWEEKLY MEETINGS TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON.

BECAUSE, FOR INSTANCE, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED ABOUT RETAINING WALLS AND HOW WE CHECKED THE PERMITTING ON THEM AND OR INSPECT THEM, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED LIKE A PROCESS OF HAVING THEM SUBMIT PHOTOS AT VARIOUS STAGES AND SOME VERY GOOD IDEAS, AND HAVING SOME OF THE PROCESSES BROUGHT FROM FROM YOUR PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

AND I THINK THAT THE IDEA IS THAT US UP HERE AS COMMISSIONERS, WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND, HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.

THERE'S CONFIDENCE IN US AND ALSO CONFIDENCE AND FAITH IN THE PROCESS OF CITIZENS THAT ARE WATCHING THESE MEETINGS AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN, AND THE CITY IS DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN COUNCIL DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ALL THE BOXES ARE CHECKED.

NOTHING'S EVER TOTALLY PERFECT. BUT REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN TRUST IN THE PROCESS AND THE PEOPLE CAN TRUST IN THE PROCESS.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THE TEAM ARE REALLY GOOD STEWARDS OF THAT.

AND WE'LL DEFINITELY COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND CELEBRATE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING TOGETHER AS A TEAM AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, SHOWCASE WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE DEPARTMENT TO SHOW THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE IT MORE STREAMLINED,

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KNOW, I DO APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THIS TIME OUT TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS.

I THINK IN GENERAL, THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO HAVE THIS MEETING SO WE COULD HAVE MORE CLARITY ON THE PROCESS IN GENERAL, AND THEN TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE TRUST AND THAT EVERYONE HAS DONE THEIR JOB AND DONE IT EFFECTIVELY.

THERE WAS NO SHORTCUTS BEING TAKEN. IN GENERAL, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME LONG DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DRAINAGE.

SO IN THAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS, I BELIEVE, WERE GENERAL CONCERNS.

SOME OF THEM I THINK IT WAS MORE OF A THING LIKE, WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE THIS OFFLINE SO WE CAN AT LEAST I CAN UNDERSTAND ALL THE CONCERNS, THE PROCESS IN GENERAL. SO SO WITH THAT BEING SAID I JUST WANT US ALL TO KIND OF BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR AS FAR AS, HEY, DID THIS PERSON DO THEIR JOB. ARE WE CONFIDENT OF DOING THE JOB? AND IF NOT, WHO, IF, WE'RE HAVING THESE CONCERNS WHEN WE'RE CHOSEN TO BE ADVOCATES FOR THE CITIZENS OF PRINCETON THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING IT A REAL CONCERN TO SAY IS HOW DO WE RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES SO THEY DON'T HAPPEN AGAIN? WE KNOW PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES AND EVERYTHING'S NOT GOING TO BE 100% PERFECT.

BUT HOW DO WE DO THIS? IT DOESN'T HAPPEN REPEATEDLY, OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

AND I KNOW YOU GUYS MENTIONED BEFORE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION CERTAIN THINGS WEREN'T.

WELL, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY AS CHECKS AND BALANCES.

SO, SO AGAIN, WE JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. HOW DO WE HELP THE CITIZENS OF PRINCETON WHEN THEY HAVE THOSE CONCERNS REGARDING DRAINAGE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND ONE OTHER THING IS, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO DRAINAGE, I WOULD INVITE YOU TO WATCH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FROM OCTOBER OF 2024, WHEN THE CITY'S DRAINAGE ENGINEER CAME UP HERE AND GAVE A PRESENTATION ON DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING HE'S REVIEWING.

HE GAVE A PRESENTATION ON DRAINAGE THAT NIGHT, AS WELL AS WHAT THEY DO IN TRAFFIC STUDIES.

SO I WOULD INVITE YOU ALL TO WATCH THAT. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT MORE SPECIFIC DETAILS IN THOSE REVIEWS.

I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS I'VE MENTIONED DURING VARIOUS MEETINGS SPECIFICALLY PERTAINING TO THAT PRESENTATION.

SO I WOULD TAKE YOU UP ON THAT. AND IF IT'S LIKE SPECIFIC ME AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR SOMETHING THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE A MEETING ABOUT MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CIRCLE UP ON.

BUT AS FAR AS SPEAKING TO WHAT COMMISSIONER COOPER SAID I THINK A LOT OF IT IS I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS A LOT OF THESE ISSUES WITH DRAINAGE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN BRINGING UP IN THE PAST AND SEEING THINGS LIKE ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS THAT WE VOTED ON TONIGHT WHERE I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT WAS PASSED.

THERE WAS QUESTIONS TO WHETHER I HAD MY QUESTIONS WERE VALID.

AND THEN WHAT WE SEE TONIGHT WAS GREATLY, DRASTICALLY UPDATED DRAINAGE.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE SOMEBODY IS PAYING A LOT MORE ATTENTION AND AND IT'S NOT THE ONLY SITUATION THAT I CAN NAME THERE, I THINK ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT I'VE POINTED OUT IN THE PAST.

SPECIFIC PROJECTS I'M NOT GOING TO BRING UP NOW THAT ARE MAYBE GETTING MORE ATTENTION BECAUSE OF BRINGING THEM UP.

AND I HEAR FROM HOMEOWNERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE THANKFUL FOR THAT.

AND SOMETIMES, AS I MENTIONED TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE, IT'S SOMETIMES IT'S JUST PEOPLE DO THEIR BEST WORK WHEN THEY KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, WATCHING. IT'S NOT EVEN THAT THEY DO POOR WORK OTHERWISE, BUT MORE SO YOU'RE GOING TO DOT THE I'S AND CROSS THE T'S AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE.

WHEN YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY AT THE OTHER END.

BUT OTHERWISE, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. DAVENPORT. THIS IS ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM THAT I'M GOING TO MOVE AROUND.

F6 WE'LL SPEAK ABOUT NEXT, WHICH IS. P AND Z TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES.

DISCUSSION REGARDING TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUESTED BY CHAIRPERSON HISS. I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS ONE.

AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I REQUESTED. THE IDEA IS THAT SOMETHING THAT EVERY COMMISSIONER THAT'S UP HERE AND THOSE THAT ARE THAT HAPPEN TO NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING, KNOW, IS THERE IS NO ONBOARDING PROCESS FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

THERE NEVER HAS BEEN FOR THE P&Z COMMISSION AND PRINCETON.

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LET ME BRING IT UP. IT'S THE 2025 ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS.

OR I'M SORRY, THAT'S THE WRONG ONE [INAUDIBLE] TRAINING. AT GRAND HALL AT NRH CENTRE.

JULY 25TH, 9 A.M. TO 3 P.M.. I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE SO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF THIS TRAINING, AND IT'S BASICALLY THE FIRST TRAINING THAT'S KIND OF BEEN OFFERED TO OR BEEN LOCALLY AVAILABLE TO US, RELATIVELY LOCALLY AVAILABLE TO US TO ATTEND.

AND SOMETHING THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO COUNCIL AN THE MAYOR ABOUT AND HAVE THEIR SUPPORT ON IS HAVING CONTINUED PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT FOR THE THE COMMISSION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE CITY, WE ARE EVOLVING THE ITEMS THAT ARE PRESENTED TO US ARE EVOLVING, SO HAVING US EVOLVE ALONGSIDE THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL TO US AS A COMMISSION AND HELP BOTH COUNSEL AND THE CITIZENS TO TO BE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE MAKING INTELLIGENT VOTES ON WHAT'S IN WHAT'S BROUGHT IN FRONT OF US. SO IN ADDITION TO THAT ONE, WHICH IS ON THE 25TH AND AGAIN, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY YOU KNOW, WORKS THAT HAVE NOT ALREADY OPTED TO GO.

I DO RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO, TO GO AHEAD AND ATTEND THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF STARTING FROM SCRATCH AS FAR AS TRAINING OTHER THAN ON THE JOB TRAINING THAT WE'VE GOTTEN HERE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE SOME HTML TRAININGS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO US THAT DUE TO OUR LIAISON HAS ATTENDED A TEAM TRAINING DOWN IN IN SAN ANTONIO RECENTLY AND HAS PROVIDED US.

I'LL EMAIL THEM TO EVERYBODY SOME HTML SPECIFIC TRAININGS THAT THAT ARE, I GUESS, PROPRIETARY AND NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND I'LL GO AND SEND THAT OUT TO YOU GUYS AS WELL.

AND ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL HTML TRAINING WHICH ARE LIKE WEBINAR TYPE SERIES.

I HAD ORIGINALLY REQUESTED FOR THE CITY TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THAT AND DO IT MYSELF, BUT I DID WANT TO SUGGEST TO THE COMMISSION MAYBE IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE DO. WE MAKE THIS PART OF A A PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE POTENTIALLY DO AFTER MEETINGS FOR OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. WHETHER IT'S EVERY MEETING OR EVERY OTHER MEETING, WE MAYBE HAVE AN HOUR OF PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT AFTERWARD WHERE WE'RE DOING THESE WEBINARS AND ANY OTHER RELEVANT PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL HELP US TO BE BETTER AT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SOME OF THOSE TRAININGS ARE USING PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE FOR MORE EFFICIENT MEETINGS AND ETHICS AND PUBLIC SERVICE.

THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF THEM. AGAIN, SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU GUYS WILL GET FROM TEAM THAT ARE ORIGINALLY FROM HTML OR FUNDAMENTALS OF LAND USE REGULATION AND ALSO TRAININGS ON OPEN MEETINGS, PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS, PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND THEN FINALLY, I ALSO WANTED TO I'M IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING FOR AND I WOULD THIS WOULD REQUIRE MAYOR COUNCIL APPROVAL.

I'M ALSO LOOKING TO GET TRAINING THAT SPECIFIC TO OUR COMMISSION.

SO ACTUALLY HAVING A A KIND OF A PROFESSIONAL TRAINER, POTENTIALLY SOMEBODY FROM HTML COME AND MAYBE SPEND A WEEK IN WITH US, SPECIFICALLY WITH THE COMMISSION, POTENTIALLY CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.

THAT CAN AGAIN GIVE US A BETTER INFORMED ABOUT HOW TO, YOU KNOW, ALL A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE WENT OVER TONIGHT IN THIS PRESENTATION AND A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE ABOUT WAYS TO OPERATE AT OUR BEST.

WELL, THAT'S REALLY IT. AS FAR AS THE AS FAR AS THE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, SOME OF THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON.

IN ADDITION TO ME RECOMMENDING THAT ANYBODY THAT HASN'T OPTED TO GO THE THE MEETING ON THE 25TH.

I STRONGLY RECOMMEND ATTENDING THAT THE REST OF THESE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENTS, WE WILL WILL FOLLOW UP ABOUT AT A LATER MEETING.

IN THE DOVETAIL A LITTLE BIT ON CHAIRMAN HIS PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT.

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I KNOW COUNCIL HAS A BUDGET FOR TRAINING AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GAUGE THE INTEREST OF THE COMMISSION OBVIOUSLY, AND THEN SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE SO WE CAN HAVE A BUDGET, A LINE ITEM THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE THOSE TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES.

WHEN IT GETS TO KIND OF MORE OF THE PREREQUISITE OR REQUIREMENTS, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT I WOULD ASSUME THE COUNCIL HAD TO GIVE SOME INPUT ON IT OR WHATNOT. BUT IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO START LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU GOT BEFORE YOU TODAY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE APA IS DOING, IS SOMETHING I FORWARDED TO CRAIG THAT FORWARDED TO YOU GUYS.

THESE ARE GOOD. IF YOU GOT TIME TO DO THESE TYPE OF TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO DO THESE.

BUT REALLY JUST NEED TO GET I JUST NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO INCLUDE SOME OF THESE TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU GUYS MAY BE INTERESTED IN.

SO IF IT'S SOMETHING THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED OF HAVING.

I CAN GET WITH FINANCE AND THE CITY MANAGER TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CARVE OUT TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU GUYS TO SIGN UP FOR THESE THINGS.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMAIN.

BUDGET BUDGET IS ALWAYS SOMETHING TO HAVE IN MIND.

I THINK OTHER THAN THAN THAT ONE PARTICULAR ITEM ON THE 25TH, WHICH I DON'T THINK THAT WAS VERY EXPENSIVE.

I THINK MAYBE 60 BUCKS OR SOMETHING. THE IS THE TOTAL OF EVERYTHING THAT I NAMED WAS $110, NOT PER PERSON, BUT TOTAL. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ESSENTIALLY ARE GOING TO ALREADY PURCHASE OR ALREADY HAVE PURCHASED, AND IT CAN BE SHARED AMONGST US ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE DOING A PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, I FEEL LIKE BEING THRIFTY IS DEFINITELY THE WAY TO GO.

AND THE CONSIDER BUDGET. THE ONLY ITEM THAT IS IS THE BIG UNKNOWN IS IF WE DO GET SOME MORE PERSONALIZED TRAINING LIKE SOMEBODY THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, COME TO TOWN AND MAYBE FOCUS ON OUR COMMISSION.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD COST. AT THIS POINT, IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING I'M LOOKING AT.

THE WAY I FIGURE IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF IT'S A SMALL CHUNK OF CHANGE, IF IT'S 1000, 2000, $3,000, ONE POOR DECISION CAN QUICKLY COST A LOT MORE THAN THAN THAT.

AND POOR DECISIONS CAN BE AVOIDED BY SIMPLE EDUCATION.

SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT. I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE COUNCIL AND MAYBE SPECIFICALLY THE MAYOR HAS KIND OF GRANTED AND SAID OBVIOUSLY ANY SPECIFIC ITEM THAT WE BRING TO HIM, HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE.

BUT HE'S BASICALLY SAID, COME TO ME AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU BECAUSE I THINK HE LOOKS AT IT IN THE SAME LIGHT AS MYSELF. AND THAT HAVING AN EDUCATED CROWD UP HERE IS, IS ONLY GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO ALL OF US.

YEAH, I KNOW A AN ATTORNEY GROUP THAT'S SITTING NEXT TO ME THAT CAN PROBABLY DO SOME TRAINING FOR THE COMMISSION THAT'S ALREADY HERE.

SO I THINK BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, GRANT'S FIRM AND BETWEEN THE TEAM THAT WE HAVE, WE CAN PROBABLY GET SOME PRETTY GOOD CONSTRUCTIVE LIKE, OFFICIAL TRAINING TO HELP OUT. I KNOW Y'ALL DONE SOME TRAINING SESSIONS ALREADY.

A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE, BUT THERE'S SOME APA STUFF OUT THERE ON THE PLANNING SIDE THAT I KNOW WE COULD HAVE AN ELABORATE ON MORE WITH THE COMMISSION IF BUT IT'S ALWAYS GOOD IF YOU CAN GET OUT AND DO SOME OF THESE THINGS, NETWORK KIND OF SEE SOME OTHER ISSUES THAT OTHER CITIES ARE FACING WITH TO KIND OF MAYBE HELP YOU HAVE A WELL-ROUNDED COMMISSION IN THAT REGARD.

SO IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT PUTTING SOME MONEY IN THE BUDGET AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN AMOUNT FOR, YOU GUYS TO GO OUT AND DO THAT TRAINING.

SO I'LL COORDINATE WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME SOMETHING THAT IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE IS THINKING ABOUT A TRIP TO DUBAI, BUT, YOU KNOW.

WELL, WE JUST GOTTA WE JUST GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PAYING FOR THE TRAINING.

YOU KNOW, YOUR GAS, ANY MEALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. ALL THAT'S KIND OF WORKED IN INTO AS WELL.

SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING EVERYTHING YOU CAN FOR THE MONEY.

SO THANK YOU, MR. GIBBS. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD EITHER BE WORTH IT, BUT MAYBE INVITE ANOTHER CITY'S P&Z BOARD, LIKE MAYBE MCKINNEY OR FARMERS BRANCH OR ANNA, MAYBE INVITING THEIR BOARD, THEIR P&Z BOARD TO COME AND MEET WITH OUR P&Z BOARD JUST TO MAYBE DO SOME, YOU KNOW,

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YEAH, I THINK ANYTIME. I MEAN, ON THE P&Z KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DO IN OUR PROFESSION, ANY TIME THAT YOU CAN INTERACT WITH SOME PEERS, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF GOING THROUGH THE SAME THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH AS A CITY.

YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY'VE EXPERIENCED IT BEFORE US, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF LEARN SOME LESSONS FROM THEM.

I THINK ANYTIME THAT YOU KNOW, ANYBODY CAN ANYBODY WANTS TO REACH OUT TO THOSE COMMISSIONS AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT WOULD Y'ALL DO IN THIS SITUATION? YOU KNOW, WE GOT THIS. WHAT'S HAPPENING? ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THAT.

YOU KNOW, I DO IT AT MY, YOU KNOW, AT MY LEVEL.

I'M SURE CRAIG HAS GOT A PEER GROUP THAT HE TALKS TO AS WELL TO KIND OF BECAUSE, GOSH, NO, I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO LEARN FROM OTHERS TO HELP KIND OF MAKE SOME DECISIONS.

SO YEAH, I DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO GO TO MAYBE ONE OF THEIR COMMISSION MEETINGS, MAYBE TO KIND OF DIVE IN TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS HOW THEY'RE HANDLING SOME SITUATIONS OR, OR JUST, YOU KNOW, BE INVOLVED IN THOSE KIND OF THINGS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY HAVE LIVED IT ALREADY AND IT COULD HELP EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM.

SO, YEAH, DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT.

UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS REGARDING PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

THE LAST ITEM IS GET TO THE RIGHT PAGE HERE. SORRY.

ITEM F5 P&Z BYLAWS DISCUSSION. DISCUSSION REGARDING POTENTIAL IMPLEMENTATION OF BYLAWS FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REQUESTED BY CHAIRPERSON HISS AND COMMISSIONER COOPER. SO THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING. FIRST OFF, WHAT I.

WHAT I HAVE HERE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS INTENDED FOR ANY LENGTHY DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.

IT'S A VERY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW. UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS POSTED WITH THE AGENDA, BUT NOW ALL THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE IN FRONT OF THEM. IT IS A JUST KIND OF A PRELIMINARY OVERVIEW, HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF A WAY TO STRUCTURE THE, A BYLAWS INITIATIVE.

SO WE'RE THE ONLY OF ALL THE BOARDS, COMMISSIONS COMMITTEES IN, IN THE CITY WE'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT DO NOT HAVE OUR OWN BYLAWS. AND SO THIS WE THE FACT OR BASICALLY THE FACT THAT WE ARE ESSENTIALLY OPERATING UNDER COUNCILS AND OUR THE WAY WE FUNCTION IS DIFFERENT FROM COUNCIL, ALTHOUGH WE'RE CLOSELY CONNECTED WITH THEM OPERATING UNDER THEIR BYLAWS REALLY DOES NOT REFLECT HOW WE OPERATE AS COMMISSION.

AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN THE PAST AS FAR AS EXACTLY HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO OPERATE.

AND A LOT OF IT'S GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT ORDINANCES AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST. AND THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO START THAT PROCESS.

I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD RUSH THROUGH. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD AS A GROUP, BE ABLE TO DISCUSS OVER, MULTIPLE MEETINGS TO PUT OUR MINDS TOGETHER AND HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF HOW WE ADDRESS MULTIPLE THINGS.

ONE OF THEM BEING, WHAT IS THE FULL WHAT'S THE FULL LIST OF PRIORITIES THAT US AS A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ARE ARE GRANTED BY OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES AND BY THE CITY CHARTER.

AND THEN ALSO HOW EXACTLY WE, WE OPERATE JUST FUNCTIONALLY A LOT OF IT'S JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN SITUATIONS EVEN UP UNTIL RECENTLY WHERE WE'RE KIND OF POURING THROUGH ORDINANCES AND FIGURING OUT HOW THIS BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO OPERATE.

SO IT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE FOR US TO REALLY JUST TAKE A GOOD HOLISTIC VIEW OF THIS AND, AND KIND OF DECIDE TOGETHER HOW WE WANT TO ACTUALLY APPROACH THIS GOING FORWARD SO THAT WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, AGAIN, IT'S JUST A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW.

IT'S TENTATIVE. WHAT IS ON THERE NOW IS ESSENTIALLY FOR MEETINGS, INCLUDING TODAY, WHERE IT'S JUST THIS HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW.

AND IN THE FOLLOWING TWO MEETINGS WOULD BE AT THE THE FOLLOWING TWO DISCUSSIONS WOULD BE AT THE FOLLOWING TWO MEETINGS AND THE FINAL MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 1ST WOULD BE A REVIEW AND A FINAL VOTE.

AGAIN, THIS IS TENTATIVE AND MAY END UP GOING LONGER.

AND I THINK IF IT DOES GO LONGER, IT PROBABLY MEANS THERE ARE GOOD DISCUSSIONS BEING HAD.

THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE HERE ON THE NEXT FEW PAGES IS SPECIFIC LINE ITEMS. A LOT OF THIS WAS TAKEN FROM EXISTING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS.

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AND YOU KNOW, SO ITEM ONE, I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH ALL THESE THAT'D TAKE TOO LONG, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE MORE SPECIFIC DETAILS THAN I'LL READ HERE.

CREATION AND MEMBERSHIP, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY MEMBERS DO WE HAVE AND AND HOW THEY'RE APPOINTED AND WHATNOT, WHICH IS, FOR THE MOST PART, ALREADY THERE IN OUR ORDINANCES.

PURPOSE AND ROLE OF THE COMMISSION. SO THAT WILL HELP TIE UP SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, FOR INSTANCE, BY COMMISSIONER ELLIS HAD MENTIONED ABOUT WE HAVE SOME THE ORDINANCES CURRENTLY GRANT US SOME POWER FOR, LIBRARIES AND PARKS THAT HAVE WE'VE BEEN KIND OF SKIPPED OVER IN THAT PROCESS. THAT'S IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES NOW AND IT'S PRETTY COMMON FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS.

AND AGAIN THE IDEA IS LIKE WHAT IS GOING TO VERY, VERY CLEARLY LAY OUT EXACTLY WHAT IS THE PURPOSE AND ROLE OF THE COMMISSION.

SO THERE'S NO QUESTION GOING FORWARD. AND OF COURSE NEXT ON HERE IS POWERS AND DUTIES.

A LOT OF THIS WILL BE LAID OUT IN TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 211, WHICH IS WHAT WE ALREADY OPERATE BY NOW.

AGAIN, THIS IS REALLY JUST TYING UP WHAT IS LAID OUT IN THE ORDINANCES.

AND ALSO, OF COURSE, THE WHAT'S THE DUTIES GRANTED TO US BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OFFERS OFFICERS AND STAFF SUPPORT.

I THINK THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. MEETINGS AND ATTENDANCE AND ATTENDANCE, INCLUDING THIS EVENING, HAS KIND OF BEEN A RECURRING QUESTION, A RECURRING ISSUE AND HOW EXACTLY WE, HANDLE IT GOING FORWARD.

AND I WILL USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MENTION WE DO HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER THAT IS MISSED.

NOW, I BELIEVE IT'S SIX MEETINGS IN A ROW AND THE PROCESS HAS BEEN INITIATED WITH CITY COUNCIL, AND THEY SHOULD TAKE A VOTE TO REMOVE HIM BASED ON THE COUNCIL'S BYLAWS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE OPERATING UNDER NOW.

AND SO WE WILL HAVE A COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE, IT'S PLACE TWO COME UP VERY SOON.

SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY PLANNING AND ZONING EXPERIENCE AND WANTS TO JOIN THE BOARD, NOW'S THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT.

I'M SURE THAT THAT WILL BE ANNOUNCED BY THE CITY.

NEXT WILL BE OFFICERS AND STAFF SUPPORT. AND SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

I'M SORRY, I READ THAT ONE. MEETINGS AND ATTENDANCE.

ATTENDANCE POLICIES CONDUCT OF MEETINGS AND DECISION MAKING.

SO THIS IS GOING TO BE THINGS LIKE YOUR RULES OF ORDER PROCESS OF.

YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ISSUES WITHIN THE BOARD WAYS THAT WE CAN HANDLE THAT AS A BOARD INTERNALLY.

BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS WHERE THE BOARD HAS NO SAY.

FOR INSTANCE, IF CITY COUNCIL HAS A, YOU KNOW, A VOTE TO REMOVE A MEMBER.

ZONING CASE PROCEDURES. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ONE THAT COULD BE FAIRLY IN-DEPTH.

WE HAVEN'T DEALT WITH A WHOLE LOT OF ZONING CASES OURSELVES, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A LOT MORE THOUGHT INTO IT AND MAY EVEN BE ITERATIVE AS TIME GOES ON. AMENDMENTS, ADOPTION AND LEGAL CLAUSES, AGAIN REFERENCING BACK THE PREVIOUS NUMBER SEVEN THERE.

THINGS MAY CHANGE, AND IT'LL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND AMEND THESE BYLAWS.

NOW, I DO WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT WE DO NOT ACTUALLY HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON THIS.

THE IDEA IS THAT WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WE COME UP WITH OUR OWN BYLAWS AND THEN IT WILL WE CAN VOTE ON IT, BUT IT'S THE SAME THING AS ALL OF OUR OTHER DECISIONS.

IT WILL BE PASSED TO COUNCIL AND THEY'LL HAVE THE FINAL APPROVAL ON THIS.

SO AGAIN, YOU GUYS WILL GET THIS IS JUST A VERY A VERY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW.

YOU ALL GET A FOLLOW UP FOR ME AS WELL. AND I'M SURE THAT AS HE DID IN THE BEGINNING, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, MR. LOWRY, WILL HAVE SOME INPUT IN THE PROCESS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO VERBIAGE AND LANGUAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT NEED TO BE THERE BY LAW. IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

GREAT. OTHERWISE, ANY INPUT THAT YOU HAVE. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SPOKEN WITH MR. LOWRY ABOUT EXACTLY HOW IF YOU CAN GIVE INPUT AND SEND IT TO ME, AND I PUT IT TOGETHER BEFORE EACH MEETING, OR IF THAT'S AN OPEN MEETINGS ACT VIOLATION, OR IF ALL OF THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITHIN THE MEETING, PERHAPS HE CAN ANSWER THAT. YEAH, I MEAN, I CAN TO YOUR POINT, A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES P&Z'S HAVE BYLAWS.

I SAY, I DON'T WANT THIS TO SEEM AS LIKE A INTIMIDATING TASK.

IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S COUNCIL'S WHERE IT'S 25, 30 PAGES LONG.

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SO I CAN PROVIDE SOME EXAMPLES. I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, P&Z RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE KIND OF RULES THAT ARE KIND OF PIECEMEAL.

THEY'RE KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE. YOU HAVE SOME THE CHARTER GOVERNS SOME ASPECTS.

THERE'S CERTAIN SECTIONS IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES THAT GOVERN DUTIES AND AUTHORITY.

THEN ALSO YOU KIND OF REVERT TO COUNCIL BYLAWS IN SOME AREAS.

SO I THINK HAVING ONE MAYBE COMPREHENSIVE DOCUMENT WOULD BE A GOOD START.

SO I CAN PROVIDE SOME SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT, LIKE I SAID.

AND JUST TO KIND OF REPEAT WHAT CHAIRPERSON HISS SAID THAT COUNCIL ULTIMATELY KIND OF HAS FINAL SAY OVER THIS BECAUSE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, P&Z IS A RECOMMENDING BODY. SO COUNCIL ANY DUTIES AND AUTHORITIES AND FUNCTIONS THAT P&Z HAS YOU KNOW, UNLESS OTHERWISE SPELLED OUT UNDER STATE LAW, IT'S KIND OF A DELEGATION FROM COUNCIL TO GET RECOMMENDATION TO P&Z.

SO YEAH, JUST MAKING SURE COUNCIL IS INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.

AND OBVIOUSLY JUST TO REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER THE COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE AFTER YOU GUYS APPROVE, BUT HAVE TO APPROVE THESE BYLAWS. SO YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO BE, YOU KNOW A RESOURCE AND PROVIDE LANGUAGE AND EXAMPLES AS WE WORK THROUGH MUCH LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH SOME OF THE COMMITTEES THAT ARE ONGOING RIGHT NOW.

I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR GRANT. GRANT, DO YOU THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE COUNCIL TO KIND OF START THAT DISCUSSION ON THE BYLAW SIDE? SURE. IT COULD BE I WILL SAY, LIKE FOR IT'S NOT APPLES TO APPLES NECESSARILY, BUT FOR THE EDC AND CDC.

NOW, STATE LAW REQUIRES THEM TO HAVE BYLAWS. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

SO THE WAY IT WAS DONE IN THE PAST WAS, YOU KNOW, THE EDC AND CDC WOULD CREATE THEIR BYLAWS.

THE COUNCIL WAS AWARE THAT THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

AND THEN ONCE THE BOARDS KIND OF FINALIZED IT, IT WENT TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR BLESSING.

AND I THINK THERE WAS MAYBE AN INSTANCE OR TWO WHERE COUNCIL MAYBE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH, WITH A CHANGE OR TWO. SO THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST FOR THE CITY.

NOW, OBVIOUSLY THE P&Z DOESN'T HAVE BYLAWS, SO WE'RE NOT AMENDING, WE'RE CREATING FROM SCRATCH.

WE'RE KIND OF PULLING FROM DIFFERENT AREAS. I THINK MAYBE YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE ON A COUNCIL AGENDA IS ALMOST LIKE AN FYI OR JUST TO GET SOME MAYBE SOME FORMAL DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL IS NOT A BAD IDEA.

WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THEY THEY HAVE TO APPROVE IT ONCE.

SO IT'LL EVENTUALLY GO BACK TO THEM. BUT MAYBE BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD, KIND OF GETTING COUNCIL KIND OF THE THUMBS UP TO PROCEED.

MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA, TO YOUR POINT. YEAH.

THAT WAS JUST WANTED TO GIVE SOME CLARITY. IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BYLAWS. IT MAY BE SOMETHING MORE PUT ON THE FUTURE AGENDA.

GET THE THUMBS UP. WORK THROUGH THE BYLAWS AND THEN COME BACK AND ADOPT THOSE BYLAWS THROUGH COUNCIL. JUST KIND OF SOMETHING TO BE MINDFUL ABOUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE COMMISSION IS REALLY INTERESTED IN. JUST TO KIND OF KEEP A PROCESS INVOLVED.

HASN'T THIS ALREADY COME OUT OF COUNCIL? THIS WAS ORIGINALLY MENTIONED BY YOU AT COUNCIL, WAS IT NOT? YES.

ANOTHER DIRECTIVE FROM COUNCIL. A FORMAL ONE DO WE, TO WORK ON THIS? YEAH. I THINK JUST SPEAKING WITH THE LIAISON.

MISS TODD, I THINK MAYBE SHE WAS MENTIONED WHEN DURING A WORK SESSION WHEN LIAISONS WERE KIND OF GIVING AN UPDATE OF KIND OF THINGS THAT THAT EACH BOARD AND COMMISSION IS WORKING ON. SO MAYBE TO THE POINT I THINK MAYBE COUNCIL IS ALREADY AWARE.

I DIDN'T SENSE ANY OPPOSITION. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S NOT REALLY A THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN FOLLOWED IN THE PAST FOR THE CITY IS THAT BYLAWS COME TO THE COUNCIL, COME TO CITY COUNCIL ONCE THEY'RE READY FOR FINAL ADOPTION.

I THINK THAT WAS THE ROUTE EVEN THE LIBRARY BOARD WENT.

I WAS ASSISTED IN THOSE BYLAWS AS WELL. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK WE COULD MAYBE PUT IT ON A COUNCIL AGENDA, JUST AS A FYI, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE WE NEED WE KIND OF HAVE THE DIRECTION THAT WE NEED TO PROCEED.

SO SORRY FOR THE BACK AND FORTH ON THAT. GOT A LOT OF THINGS TO TRY TO REMEMBER.

THANK YOU, MISTER LOWRY. YEAH. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? OH. WELL, MY ORIGINAL QUESTION FOR YOU AS FAR AS BECAUSE MY THOUGHTS WERE, IF I HAVE MATERIAL TO SEND OUT, YOU WERE GOING TO SEND OUT INFORMATION AS WELL.

ONE OF THEM, PROBABLY THE INITIAL THE INITIAL BYLAWS FOR, I THINK IT WAS THE CITY OF GRANBURY THAT YOU HAD SHOWED ME.

WHICH I WAS GOING TO SEND OUT ALONG WITH. I DIDN'T WANT TO HAND EVERYBODY TOO MUCH PAPER HERE, AND I PRINTED THIS AT HOME, SO OTHERWISE. YEAH.

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BASICALLY, I'M ASKING, IS THERE A WAY FOR THE COMMISSIONERS HERE ONCE THEY GET THAT INFORMATION? LET'S SAY IT'S FROM MR. LOWRY THAT WAY THEY CAN SEND FEEDBACK.

ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE TO ADD BEFORE WE MEET AGAIN AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS.

THE IDEA MY I GUESS MY THOUGHTS ARE CAN WE GET CAN WE GET INPUT? IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN DO THIS WITHOUT VIOLATING THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT? THEM SENDING EMAILS THAT CAN BE ADDED? FOR IDEAS, ANYTHING THAT THEY SEE BASED ON THE MATERIALS THEY'RE SENT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION.

WHAT I WOULD PREFER JUST TO BE JUST KIND OF BY THE BOOKS AND THE CLEANEST IS WE CAN STAFF OR MYSELF CAN SEND SOME EXAMPLES TO THE COMMISSION AND THEN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, COMMISSION AS HOMEWORK COULD LOOK THROUGH THOSE AND KIND OF COME UP MAKE A LIST OF IDEAS SO THAT WHEN WE DISCUSS IT DURING THE PUBLIC MEETING, WE CAN ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND GO BACK AND FORTH AND JUST TO DO IT THAT WAY AND MAKE IT PUBLIC AND MAKE SURE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ARE INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSION.

AND YEAH, JUST ONE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY. COMMISSIONER HISS, I THINK IT WAS CITY OF GRAPEVINE.

WE'RE ALSO THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR GRAPEVINE. THEY HAVE SOME A, YOU KNOW, DECENT EXAMPLE OF A P&Z BYLAWS THAT WE CAN SEND.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I WILL I DO HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT.

AND THAT'S SPECIFIC TO ATTENDANCE OF THE DEVELOPERS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD A COUPLE A FEW OF THEM NOT SHOW UP THIS EVENING.

I DID WANT TO MENTION TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WHATEVER YOU GUYS CAN DO TO LET THE DEVELOPERS KNOW THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOWING UP TO THESE MEETINGS IS IMPORTANT THAT WAY IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS TO ASK OF THE DEVELOPERS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT WHEN WE NEED TO MAKE A VOTE ON SOMETHING.

AND THE PERSON WHO'S HERE AND CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS DECIDED NOT TO SHOW UP.

SO. NOTED. YEAH. WE DO MAKE AN EFFORT TO STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO BE PRESENT, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, ANY OTHER REQUESTS FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA?

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CALDWELL THE OTHER DAY, AND THE PARK TIME IS AN EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11 PIECE OF PAPER NAILED TO THE PIECE OF WOOD AT THE BATHROOMS THAT SAYS THE PARK HOURS.

BUT IF YOU GO OUT ON TO GOOGLE, GOOGLE SAYS THE PARK HOURS ARE OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

SO WE HAVE SOME INCONSISTENCY ON THAT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO BE CONSISTENT AND ALSO MAYBE MAKE THE PARK HOURS A LITTLE MORE BE ABLE TO BE SEEN BY PEOPLE. SO YOU'RE NOT BEING CHASED OUT AT A CERTAIN TIME EITHER.

THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I'LL SEEK A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.

I'M SORRY. THE THE NEXT MEETING IS MONDAY, AUGUST 4TH.

SO AGAIN, WE ARE NOW ON MEETINGS BIWEEKLY. SO WE'RE CLOSE TO BIWEEKLY TWICE A MONTH.

SO MONDAY, AUGUST 4TH. WE'LL SEE YOU IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

AND OTHER THAN THAT, CAN I GET A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL SECOND, FIRST AND A SECOND.

CAN WE GET A VOTE? OR WE CAN TAKE A ROLL CALL.

IT PASSES FOUR NOTHING. WE ARE ADJOURN.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.