[A. CALL TO ORDER-MAYOR]
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AND I THINK WE'RE READY TO BEGIN THE WORK SESSION FOR THE CITY OF PRINCETON, CITY COUNCIL.HERE ON MONDAY, JULY 28, 2025.
FIRST ORDER VISIT IS GOING TO BE A ROLL CALL.
I THINK WE DO HAVE A QUORUM WITH FOUR PEOPLE HERE ROLL CALL. MS. TODD?
>> I'M HERE AND WE HAVE A QUORUM.
THE MAYOR IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
AND MR. JOHNSON IS STAND AND STUCK IN TRAFFIC.
MS. DAVID GRAVES, MR. WASHINGTON, I DON'T KNOW.
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS C1-2025-177, PRESENTATION OF SUMMARY OF THE REQUEST OF QUALIFICATIONS FOR ON CALL ENGINEERING SERVICES PRESENTED BY THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, TOMMY MAPP.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR PRO-TEM AND COUNSEL.
BACK ON APRIL 30, WE ISSUED A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS BASICALLY TO WHERE ANY ENGINEERING FIRM COULD SUBMIT A STATEMENT OF QUALIFICATIONS TO BE REVIEWED AND THEN BE CONSIDERED FOR PRE-QUALIFICATION FOR ON CALL SERVICES.
WE HAD SEVERAL RESPONSES COME IN WITHIN THE DEADLINE, AND THEN IT TOOK US APPROXIMATELY 30 DAYS TO REVIEW THOSE, AND THIS IS THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE COULD GET THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR.
THERE WERE SEVERAL TASK CATEGORIES THAT WE [OVERLAPPING].
>> I'M SORRY. ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCES, IT'S FIVE FOR QUORUM.
WE DON'T MEET QUORUM FOR THIS MEETING.
NO, WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM. WE NEED FIVE.
>> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. WE NEED FIVE TOTAL MEMBERS.
>> WE'LL JUST WAIT TIL TERRANCE GETS HERE.
>> TERRANCE WON'T BE ABLE TO MAKE IT.
HE WAS AT A COLLEGE VIEWING WITH HIS DAUGHTER, SO THEY'RE VERY FAR AWAY AND STUCK IN TRAFFIC.
>> WELL, WE'LL START OVER AGAIN.
WITH THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING FOR THE PRE COUNCIL MEETING WORKSHOP.
WE DO HAVE A HERE ON MONDAY, JULY 28, 2025, NOW AT 5:09 PM.
>> I'M HERE AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
WE'LL NOW BEGIN ON ITEM C1-2025-177,
[C. WORK SESSION AGENDA]
PRESENTATION AND SUMMARY OF THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR ON CALL ENGINEERING SERVICES PRESENTED BY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, TOMMY MAPP.>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR PRO-TEM, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
ON APRIL 30, WE ISSUED A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS, SO ENGINEERING FIRMS COULD SUBMIT THEIR STATEMENT OF QUALIFICATIONS FOR REVIEW TO BE CONSIDERED FOR PRE-QUALIFICATION FOR ON CALL SERVICES WITH THE CITY OF PRINCETON.
THAT RAN UNTIL JUNE 2ND, AND THEN WE GAVE OURSELVES 30 DAYS TO REVIEW THOSE STATEMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS.
THEN THIS IS THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE COULD GET THIS ON THE AGENDA 4.
WE HAD SEVERAL RESPONSES ACROSS ALL OF THESE TASK CATEGORIES.
THERE WERE TEN TOTAL TASK CATEGORIES THAT WE SUBMITTED FOR CONSIDERATION.
WITHIN THESE TASK CATEGORIES, EACH FIRM THAT SUBMITTED FOR EACH ONE OF THESE WAS GRADED USING THIS FORM HERE.
THEY WERE GRADED BASED ON THE COMPLETENESS OF THEIR STATEMENT OF QUALIFICATIONS, MEETING ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE REQUIREMENTS AND COMPLETENESS OF ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS.
ACROSS ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES, WE HAD SEVERAL SUBMISSIONS, WHICH WAS A GREAT TURNOUT.
WE HAD MANY FIRMS THAT WERE QUALIFIED.
MANY WE DID NOT MEET THE ADMINISTRATIVE REQUIREMENTS, SO THEY ELIMINATED THEMSELVES FROM CONTENTION.
THERE WERE SOME FORMS THAT WERE REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED THAT WERE NOT SUBMITTED.
THERE WERE MANY FIRMS THAT WERE CONSIDERED.
THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS ACROSS THOSE FIRMS AFTER REVIEWING AND GRADING EACH STATEMENT OF QUALIFICATIONS.
I'LL GIVE YOU TIME TO LOOK THROUGH THOSE.
>> YOU HAVE TASK CATEGORY, THE COLUMNS SUBMISSIONS RECEIVED.
TRAFFIC, YOU HAVE 14 SUBMISSIONS FOR THE TRAFFIC SECTION PORTION.
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THEN YOU HAVE THREE COLUMNS OF FIRM NAMES.THAT FIRST COLUMN ON THE LEFT, IS THAT?
>> NO, SIR. THE IDEA BEHIND THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS WAS TO FORM A POOL OF PRE-QUALIFIED FIRMS. WE COULD DESIGNATE THOSE FIRMS ENTER INTO MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENTS WITH THEM AND ALLOCATE TASKS BASED ON WHAT ISSUE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR EACH PROJECT THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO TO THESE FIRMS THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED IN EACH.
IT WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO ALL THREE FIRMS FOR TRAFFIC.
IT WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO ALL THREE FIRMS FOR SURVEYING OR WHATEVER.
THEN THEY WOULD THEN PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL AND WE WILL REVIEW THAT AND SELECT THE MOST QUALIFIED FIRM, THE ONE THAT HAS THE BEST PRICE, THE ONE THAT HAS THE QUICKEST TURNAROUND, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT GIVES US SOME FLEXIBILITY IN ASSIGNING TASKS AND PROJECTS TO THESE FIRMS WITHIN EACH CATEGORY.
>> I APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE BECAUSE I LIKE, THIS WAS A BIG THING FOR ME GETTING MORE ENGINEERS INSTEAD OF RELYING SOLELY ON ONE.
I WILL SAY, IF I HADN'T SEEN SOME OF THE NEW WORK THAT KIM HORN HAS SUBMITTED TO US RECENTLY, I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE AREAS THAT THEY'RE LISTED ON HERE.
BUT I WILL SAY I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE REPORTS.
I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE EXTENSIVE LETTERS OF THE ITEMS THAT NEED TO GET CHECKED AND THINGS GOING BACK TO THE DEVELOPERS MORE AND MORE.
I APPRECIATE THAT A GREAT DEAL, AND I DO FEEL PART OF THAT COMES FROM KNOWING THAT THERE IS MORE FOCUS.
THERE ARE EYES WATCHING THIS MORE.
I JUST HOPE THAT THEY CONTINUE TO MEET THAT STANDARD THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE MAKING SURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE BEING CHECKED THOROUGHLY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. WITH THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE ON OUR END, A SYSTEM OF CHECKS AND BALANCES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THE PRODUCT THAT ANY OF THESE FIRMS PRODUCES WILL BE CLOSELY MONITORED AND REVIEWED BEFORE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THAT PROJECT.
IN CONCLUSION, LIKE I SAID, THIS WILL ALLOW US TO DESIGNATE A POOL FOR EACH OF THESE TASK CATEGORIES TO THEN ISSUE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, SELECT THE BEST FIRM FOR EACH PROJECT, MAKE SURE THAT PROJECT STAY ON TASK AND COME IN WITHIN THE BUDGET AND THINGS LIKE THAT TAKEN INTO ALL CONSIDERATIONS AS FAR AS THE TYPE OF PROJECT AND MAKING SURE WE'RE SELECTING THE APPROPRIATE FIRM FOR THAT PROJECT.
HAVING THESE FIRMS PRE-QUALIFIED TO WILL ALLOW US TO ENTER INTO A MASTER SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH EACH ONE.
THOSE WILL BE COMING BACK TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE, BUT HAVING THESE PRE DESIGNATED NOW FOR SPECIFIC USE PROJECTS, NOT FOR ON CALL SERVICES, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH REQUESTING RFPS FROM THESE FIRMS. THEN THAT, OF COURSE, WOULD HAVE TO COME TO COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL BECAUSE OF BUDGETARY REASONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS?
>> THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF I DID THAT OR NOT. THANK YOU, MR. MAPP.
NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.
ITEM C2-2025-1806 WAS REQUESTED BY THE MAYOR.
HE'S NOT HERE, SO IT'S GOING TO BE PUT ON THE NEXT WORK SESSION AGENDA.
ITEM C3-2025-1802, PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION REGARDING A COMPREHENSIVE EVENT POLICY AND PROCEDURE MANUAL FOR ALL EVENTS HELD WITHIN THE CITY'S CORPORATE LIMITS BASED ON DIRECTION GIVEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 20, 2025.
CHASE BRYANT, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A THIRD PARTY EVENT GUIDELINE.
THIS IS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS HELD AT ANY PUBLIC FACILITIES.
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WHAT THIS IS IS ACTUALLY A COMBINATION OF OUR POLICIES AND OUR ORDINANCES ROLLED INTO ONE DOCUMENT.THAT WAY, ANY RESIDENT OR THIRD-PARTY MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE FOR HOSTING A SPECIAL EVENT.
THIS JUST CREATES IT ALL INTO ONE DOCUMENT.
WHAT WE HAVE, IT SHOWS EARLY ON WHAT A SPECIAL EVENT IS, WHAT IS REQUIRED, AND WHAT CONSISTS OF WHAT YOU WOULD NEED IF YOU WANTED TO HOST AN EVENT, IF IT WOULD FALL UNDER THE CRITERIA OF BEING A SPECIAL EVENT, AND IF AN APPLICATION IS ACTUALLY NEEDED.
ALL OF THESE THIS CURRENT INFORMATION IS SPREAD OUT THROUGH THE CITY ORDINANCE, THE POLICIES, BUT THIS ACTUALLY CREATES IT IN ONE SIMPLIFIED DOCUMENT FOR ANYBODY TO IDENTIFY AND LOCATE.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER PERTAINING TO THEM.
>> NO QUESTION. I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW THAT MR. WASHINGTON HAS ARRIVED.
>> MR. BRYAN, WOULD YOU GIVE AN IDEA? I KNOW WE HAVE RESIDENTS WATCHING, AND I THINK MAYBE A QUESTION THAT WOULD BE ON THEIR MINDS IS LIKE, WHY NOW.
WOULD YOU JUST GIVE AN IDEA AS TO WHY THIS IS NECESSARY? AS WE'RE GROWING AS A CITY, I BELIEVE, THAT'S BECOME NECESSARY, BUT ACTUALLY JUST FILL IN THE BLANKS AS TO WHY THIS IS NECESSARY NOW, AND WHAT ARE SOME OF WHAT ARE SOME OF THE SAFEGUARDS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT?
>> GREAT QUESTIONS. THIS WAS REQUESTED BY MAYOR ESCOBAR AND COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS PREVIOUSLY, SEARCHING THROUGH THE SPECIAL EVENTS, EVERYBODY'S SPECIAL EVENT IS ALWAYS DIFFERENT.
THEY'RE TYPICALLY NOT THE SAME.
IT'S NOT ONE EVENT IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FROM ANOTHER.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF INQUIRIES ON SPECIAL EVENTS WITHIN THE PAST FEW YEARS.
WE'VE UPDATED POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS UPDATED THOSE ORDINANCE ASSOCIATED TO SPECIAL EVENTS.
WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS ACTUALLY JUST CREATES A DOCUMENT FOR RESIDENTS TO FIND INSTEAD OF HAVING TO SEARCH THROUGH ORDINANCES PERTAINING TO EACH EVENT ALONG WITH FEES ASSOCIATED TO HOW MANY PARTICIPANTS, HOW MANY OFFICERS, HOW MANY PUBLIC SAFETY, HOW STREET CLOSURES, WHAT THAT PERTAINS TO.
ALL IS ROLLED INTO THIS ONE DOCUMENT.
IF ANYBODY IS LOOKING TO HAVE AN EVENT, THIS JUST SIMPLIFIES IT FOR THOSE RESIDENTS OR NON-RESIDENTS TO IDENTIFY BEFORE APPLYING THROUGH THE CITY OF PRINCETON.
MY QUESTION FOR YOU ACTUALLY COMES FROM COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
IN THE CITY OF FRISCO, THE COST FOR AN OFFICER IS $60, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR DOCUMENTS.
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU AND HE ALSO IS WONDERING, IF YOU HAVE LOOKED AT THE COST OF AN OFFICER IN ALL OF OUR SURROUNDING CITIES TO COMPARE HOW MUCH WE'RE CHARGING VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKS AND GREAT THINGS THAT ARE COMING, BUT AT THE MOMENT, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ITEMS. IN ORDER TO ATTRACT EVENTS AND STUFF TO OUR CITY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY AFFORDABLE.
THAT WAS ONE ITEM THAT REALLY JUMPED OUT IN COMPARING THE COSTS OF WHAT WE'RE CHARGING VERSUS SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES.
THE QUESTION IS, DID YOU LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AND DO YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS?
>> I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE ON FEES ASSOCIATED WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT.
I CAN SAY EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD, POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC WORKS.
WE'VE ALL REVIEWED ALL OF OUR FEES ASSOCIATED TO PERSONNEL.
I BELIEVE YOU TIFFANY OR OFFICER TRIM MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
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BUT AS FAR AS THE FEES ASSOCIATED TO WHAT OFFICERS AND THE COSTS PER HOUR, I'M SORRY.I COULDN'T ANSWER TO THEIR PORTION.
>> THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. WE DID LOOK AT SURROUNDING AGENCIES.
OURS HAS BROKEN OUT. IT'S A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC BASED ON WHO'S COMING OUT TO WORK THAT OVERTIME.
AN OFFICER IS GOING TO BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN A SERGEANT.
A SERGEANT WILL BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN A LIEUTENANT, AND IT JUST GOES DOWNHILL.
WE ALSO ADDED A COST FOR A VEHICLE.
IF WE HAVE TO HAVE A VEHICLE OUT THERE, DEPENDING HOW MANY VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE, THE COST WILL BE ADJUSTED FOR THAT.
>> CAN YOU DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, WHAT THE THREE RANGES FOR THE? CAN THE APPLICANT SELECT THE OFFICER WHO WOULD BE THERE SO DATES IN THEIR AFFORDABILITY.
>> YES, SO IT'S GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON THE SIZE OF THE EVENT.
LARGER EVENTS, ANYTIME WE GET TO FOUR OFFICERS, IT'S OUR SPAN OF CONTROL OR SPAN OF SUPERVISION.
CHIEF WATERS LIKES TO KEEP A ONE TO FOUR RATIO.
WE HAVE ONE SUPERVISOR PER FOUR OFFICERS. WE'LL HAVE TWO SERGEANTS.
IF THERE'S TWO SERGEANTS OUT THERE, WE'LL NEED A LIEUTENANT, AND IT'S GOING TO BE BASED OFF OF REALISTICALLY HOW LARGE OF AN EVENT THAT WE'RE HAVING, IF ALCOHOL IS BEING SERVED, SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S SAFE.
THEN IF YOU LOOK ON THE FISCAL YEAR 25/26 FOR PLEASE FOUR HOUR MINIMUM IN RED AT 75, 86, AND 95.
>> MY NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU THEN IS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP MITIGATE ANY OF THOSE COSTS ON OUR SIDE TO HELP ENSURE THAT THEY'RE COVERED, AND WE CAN STAY MORE AFFORDABLE? BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS AN EVENT THAT IS INTERESTED IN COMING TO THE CITY.
THIS WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THEY BROUGHT UP AS A CONCERN FOR THE COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CHOOSING PRINCETON OVER MCKINNEY.
>> I HAVE RESEARCHED LOCAL ENTITIES, LOCAL CITIES AROUND US.
A LOT OF THEIR PARK RENTAL, MOST WON'T EVEN RESERVE OUT THEIR PARKS.
BUT OVERALL, THE TOTAL IN A WHOLE IS ACTUALLY MORE EXPENSIVE AND A LOT MORE COSTLY THAN WHAT THE CITY OF PRINCETON FEES ARE.
I CAN GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN OF SOME OF THE LOCAL CITIES AND THEIR COST.
BUT, FOR INSTANCE JUST A RENTAL AT CITY OF LITTLE ELM IS 2,500 FOR THE PARK ALONE.
THERE'S CITY OF SELINA AT OLD SALINA PARK IS 1,100 FOR FOUR HOURS.
THOSE ARE JUST PARK RENTAL FEES, NOT INCLUDING THE ASSOCIATED FEES TO THE POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL THAT ALL THE EVENTS STILL REQUIRE THROUGH THOSE CITIES AS WELL.
ALSO, THERE IS A CLAUSE THAT I WOULD NOTE WITH OTHER CITIES.
IT'S THOSE FEES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE BASED ON THE NEEDS THAT WERE REQUIRED OF THE CITY FROM A PERSONNEL STANDPOINT.
WITH THAT CLAUSE, I WOULD SAY IF YOU GOT 10,000 PEOPLE AT AN EVENT, IT WOULD REQUIRE QUITE A FEW EMERGENCY PERSONNEL ALONG WITH STAFF FROM ALL DEPARTMENTS TO MEET THOSE NEEDS AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
>> ACCORDING TO THE APPLICATION, THERE WOULD BE FOUR STAFF MEMBERS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE PRESENT AT THE EVENT, EVEN IF THAT EVENT BROUGHT IN THEIR OWN CLEANING CREW AND ALL OF THAT.
IS THAT ACCURATE? AND WHAT WOULD THOSE FOUR STAFF MEMBERS BE DOING?
>> COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY FOUR STAFF MEMBERS?
>> I'M GOING OFF WHAT I WAS TOLD.
[LAUGHTER] WHAT HE'S ASKING ME TO ASK.
>> BECAUSE EVERY EVENT REQUIRES A DIFFERENT AMOUNT OF STAFF.
FOR INSTANCE, EVEN PARK STAFF MEMBERS.
I DON'T NEED PARK STAFF AT EVERY EVENT.
I DON'T NEED FOUR MEMBERS AT EVERY EVENT.
BUT FOR SITUATIONS THAT LARGE EVENTS ARE HELD AT COLWELL PARK,
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WELL, WITH THESE EVENTS, WE NEED PARK STAFF THERE.THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE RESTROOMS TO SUPPLIES.
I MEAN GOING TO GO, YOU LOSE POWER.
WELL, WE GOT STAFF MEMBERS ON THAT ARE ON SITE TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION IMMEDIATELY.
TRASH, RESTROOMS IS CLEANED UP.
THOSE THINGS JUST TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE PARK FOR NOT ONLY THE INDIVIDUALS AT THE EVENT, BUT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF PRINCETON AS WELL, THAT THIS IS THEIR COMMUNITY PARK, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS TAKEN CARE OF FOR THIRD PARTY EVENTS.
>> I WILL NOTE THAT THIS WHAT YOU HAVE IN THIS DOCUMENT IS BASED ON OUR CURRENT FEES, OUR CURRENT POLICIES.
IF IN THE FUTURE, ANY CHANGES ARE MADE TO OUR ORDINANCE, THIS WOULD BE UPLOADED WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT AND PUT ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
IF APPROVED IN THE COUNCIL MEETING, IF APPROVED, THEN THIS WOULD BE UPLOADED.
LATER ON, AS WE MAKE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE OR FEE SCHEDULES AND SO FORTH, THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE AMENDED TO THIS DOCUMENT FOR THE MOST CURRENT AND RECENT CHANGES IN THE FUTURE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THE LAYOUT IS BEAUTIFUL.
I LIKE HOW CLEAN AND EASY TO READ IT IS. THANK YOU FOR THAT.
>> NEXT ITEM IS C4 2025192 RECEIVE AN UPDATE FROM THE HOME RULE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE.
>> ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR PRO-TEM, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
IF YOU GUYS RECALL, BACK IN APRIL, YOU APPOINTED A COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE HOME RULE CHARTER AND MAKE RECOMMENDED EDITS THERE TOO.
INITIALLY, YOU GUYS SAID A DEADLINE OF JUNE 23RD IS THE FINAL REPORTING DEADLINE, AND THAT WAS FURTHER EXTENDED TODAY TO JULY 28TH.
SINCE THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED, THEY'VE HELD, I BELIEVE SEVEN PUBLIC MEETINGS AND GOT PROGRESS THROUGH CHAPTERS 1 THROUGH 4, MADE CERTAIN AMENDED EDITS, AND STILL HAVE A BIT TO GO, BUT HAVE MADE SOME GOOD PROGRESS THUS FAR.
I THINK TONIGHT WE HAVE THE CHAIRPERSON AND VICE CHAIRPERSON HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON PROGRESS, UPDATES, ETC.
>> HONORABLE COUNSEL. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE.
OBVIOUSLY, MYSELF AND MAXINE AS THE VICE CHAIR.
WE'VE BEEN PROGRESSING WITH THE AMENDMENTS FOR THE HOME RULE CHARTER, OBVIOUSLY MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS THROUGH THE FORMAT.
WE'VE BEEN REALLY INTENTIONAL ABOUT ENSURING THAT WE ARE TAKING CONSIDERATION THE INPUT FROM ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, ALSO DOING RESEARCH OURSELVES BEFORE COMING INTO THE MEETINGS AND ACTUALLY GOING INTO THOSE MEETINGS WITH UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.
WE'VE COME IN WITH A FORMAT THAT ALLOWS THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE STATED.
UNDERSTANDING IS BE HELD AND THEN MOVE INTO ACTUAL MOTIONS, SO THAT WAY ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ON THE TABLE, SO QUESTIONS CAN BE ASKED DURING THE MOTION PERIOD, AND THEN FROM THERE, WE VOTE OUR HANDS.
THAT'S THE WORKFLOW THAT WE'VE TRIED TO CREATE.
OBVIOUSLY, GIVEN THE CHAPTERS WE'VE GONE THROUGH, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE MEDIA THAN OTHERS.. WITH THE DYNAMIC ACTIVITY THAT WE HAVE FROM THE CITIZEN PERSPECTIVE, WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE GIVEN TIME FOR CONVERSATION, SO THAT WAY, LOOKING AT THIS, AND GOING BACK, THAT WE CAN FEEL THAT WE'VE GIVEN IT THE AMOUNT OF TIME NECESSARY.
I APPRECIATE THE WORDS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID, BOTH FROM THE COUNCIL.
MAYOR, THAT THIS ISN'T THE THING THAT WE'RE RUSHING THROUGH.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVEN IT A LOT OF TIME.
OUR RECOMMENDATION HERE WOULD BE IF YOU GUYS WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE US SOME ADDITIONAL TIME.
I THINK AS WE GET INTO SOME OF THESE OTHER SECTIONS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE A LOT QUICKER, BUT WHEN WE GET INTO COUNCIL COMPENSATION, CITY MANAGER, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE HOT TOPICS, SO THEY TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER FOR DISCUSSION.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, OR I WILL GIVE TO MAXINE TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE.
>> I APPRECIATE THE JOB Y'ALL ARE DOING.
I THINK IT MAY BE THAT IT'S MY OPINION THAT, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH THERE WAS A DEADLINE, SO TO SPEAK, THE DEADLINE JUST TO BE ABLE TO GET IT ON A BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER,
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AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A DEADLINE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS DOCUMENT.THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED OVER VERY CAREFULLY AND TAKE YOUR TIME IN DOING IT.
IF WE NEED I THINK NEXT MAY OR EVEN NEXT NOVEMBER, AS LONG AS IT'S GONE THROUGH THOROUGHLY, AND EVERYONE AGREES ON THE COMMITTEE AND THEN BRING IT BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION IT NEEDS TO GO.
BUT LIKE I SAID, THE DEADLINE DATE WAS NOT THE DEADLINE IS THE DEADLINE TO GET IT ON AN AGENDA, I MEAN, NOT AGENDA ON THE BALLOT.
THAT YOU'LL YOU DOING THE RIGHT WAY. SLOW AND EASY.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK GRANT CAN ASSESS THAT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY PLENTY OF CONVERSATION HAPPENING.
IF YOU GUYS GET A CHANCE, FEEL FREE TO WATCH THE MEETINGS IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCOURSE GOING ON BETWEEN THE GROUP THERE.
I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS IS DEFINITELY BEING PUT IN PLACE HERE.
>> I WANT TO ECHO THE SAME SENTIMENT THAT I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE TAKING YOUR TIME IN THIS AND NOT RUSHING.
I AGREE WE NEED TO TAKE THE TIME THAT IS NECESSARY TO ENSURE THAT EVERY PIECE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED OR ADDED IS ADDRESSED, BECAUSE AGAIN, ONCE IT'S DONE, WE'RE STUCK FOR TWO YEARS BEFORE WE CAN TOUCH IT AGAIN.
I AGREE THAT TAKE THE TIME THAT'S NEEDED AND GET IT DONE.
ALSO MY COMPLIMENTS ON CHOOSING TO MOVE TO THE OTHER ROOM SO THAT YOU CAN ENABLE REMOTE PARTICIPATION USING TEAMS. I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT OPTION TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO PEOPLE SO THEY CAN PARTICIPATE REMOTELY.
>> I THINK OBVIOUSLY THAT CAME OUT OF THERE'S SOME CONFLICTS BETWEEN SPACES, AND WE WERE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH LOGISTICS, BUT I THINK IT'S WORKED OUT AND IT WAS ACTUALLY A RECOMMENDATION BY GRANT, I BELIEVE, SO I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THINGS THAT ARE NOT MINE, BUT I GOT GRANT GRANT CREDIT WHERE HE DO, SO.
>> I DO WANT TO ADD ONE THING AND RYAN.
I'M SURE YOU CAN AGREE WITH THIS.
WHEN WE DID THE ORIGINAL CHARTER, THERE WAS 20,000 LESS PEOPLE.
WHEN WE DID IT, WE DID TAKE OUR TIME, I THINK IT TOOK US, LIKE FIVE, SIX MONTHS TO GO THROUGH IT.
WE WERE VERY THOROUGH, BUT WHEN WE SET UP AT THAT TIME, IT WAS BASED ON WHAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO BE AT THAT TIME.
NO NOT KNOWING WE WERE GOING TO GROW AS FAST AS WE DID.
I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED THE TIME NOW TO REVISIT THE ENTIRE CHARTER.
>> THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE WORK YOU'VE DONE.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU. ITEM C5, REVIEW AND DISCUSS FEE SCHEDULE.
>> THANK YOU, COUNSEL, KELLY WILSON, CFO.
YOU MAY HAVE RECALL DURING THE BUDGET RETREAT THAT STAFF INTRODUCED SOME PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO OUR CITY FEES WITHIN VARIOUS CATEGORIES.
WE WILL HAVE SUCH DEPARTMENTS COME UP TONIGHT AND TALK ABOUT THOSE FEES.
I JUST WANTED TO, SUCH AS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES OR PARKS.
YOU ALSO HAVE A HANDOUT OF THOSE PROPOSED FEES ON YOUR DIAS.
YOU CAN GO THROUGH AS WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
WE RECENTLY ALSO HAD A BOND RATING, AND IT REAFFIRMED OUR RATINGS.
ONE THING THAT THEY DID POSSIBLY MENTION IN THE FUTURE THAT WE COULD LOOK AT IS DIVERSIFYING OUR REVENUE TO MATCH OUR EXPENDITURES.
WE ARE WORKING WITH A LIEN BUDGET.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY MENTIONED FOR IN THE FUTURE.
>> WE ARE LOOKING THOUGH FOR YOUR DIRECTION TONIGHT AS WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO FINALIZING THE BUDGET. I'LL PASS THAT ON.
>> THANK YOU, CHASE BRYANT, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
COUPLE SMALL CHANGES FROM PARKS AND REC FOR THIS YEAR IS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU SEE.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE FROM THE SPECIAL EVENTS SIDE.
BUT WHAT YOU'LL NOTICE IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE'VE ADDED THIS YEAR IS A NON RESIDENT FEE.
THIS IS BASICALLY DOUBLE OUR CURRENT RESIDENT CHARGES.
THEN WE ADDED SOCCER FIELD TOURNAMENTS PER GAME.
WE DON'T HOST A LOT OF SOCCER,
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BUT THERE IS NEEDS FOR RENTAL ON THE FIELD.WE ADDED THAT FEE, AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS JUST A FIVE DOLLAR INCREASE IN YOUTH SPORTS.
DEPENDING ON EACH SPORT, BUT IT'S A FIVE DOLLAR ACROSS THE BOARD.
WHAT THAT IS, IS JUST INFLATION BASED ON OFFICIALS AND THE COST OF ALL THE OFFICIATING PER GAME.
INSTEAD OF THE CITY OF PRINCETON ABSORBING THAT COST, THAT COST IS PUT ONTO THE RESIDENT TO BE A COST RECOVERY FOR YOUTH SPORTS.
WITH THE PARKS AND REC, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER.
NO QUESTIONS. I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO CRAIG.
>> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR PRO-TEM, COUNSEL.
CRAIG FISHER, THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES OF PROPOSED FEE CHANGES.
BUT FIRST, THIS SLIDE OR OTHER POTENTIAL FEES.
THESE POTENTIAL FEES WOULD REQUIRE CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCES OR CREATION OF ORDINANCES REGARDING SHORT TERM RENTALS.
RENTALS TREE MITIGATION, MULTIFAMILY ANNUAL REGISTRATION AND INSPECTION, NON STANDARD SEWER AGREEMENTS AND PARK LAND DEDICATION FEES.
WE'RE EXPLORING UPDATING THE ORDINANCES IN THESE AREAS AND WITH THOSE ORDINANCES WILL BE NEW OR UPDATED FEES.
THEY'LL COME TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
ANY QUESTIONS WITH THIS SLIDE?
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I ASKED FOR WE'RE KNOCKING DOWN TOO MANY TREES.
MY BIG QUESTION IS, SEPTEMBER 1ST, DO THE STATE OF TEXAS CHANGE IN LAWS, WE'RE ENDING THE MORATORIUM.
I KNOW THESE HAVE TO GO THROUGH P&Z FIRST, THEN COUNSEL BECAUSE THAT'S THE PROCESS.
HOW QUICKLY CAN WE GET THESE ONTO THE P&Z AGENDA AND BROUGHT THEN TO COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN GET THESE NEW ORDINANCES IN PLACE BEFORE THE MORATORIUM IS LIFTED, BECAUSE ONCE WE MAKE AN AGREEMENT, WHATEVER ORDINANCE IS IN EFFECT THAT DAY IS WHAT THEY ARE HELD TO.
SEPTEMBER 1ST IS QUICKLY APPROACHING.
HOW FAST CAN WE GET SOME OF THESE CHANGES MADE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY ORDINANCE CHANGES YET FOR THIS STUFF?
>> UNDERSTOOD. THE LAW COMES EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1ST, THE MORATORIUM THEN EXPIRES ON DECEMBER OR NOVEMBER 30TH.
DECEMBER 1ST WILL BE GAME ON WITH A NEW RESIDENTIAL GROWTH.
IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET SOME OF THESE IN PLACE NOW.
IF THERE IS ONE IN PARTICULAR, YOU MENTIONED TREE MITIGATION THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO FOCUS ON FIRST.
WE CAN DEFINITELY HAVE THAT UPDATED BEFORE THE MORATORIUM IS LIFTED.
>> THERE ARE OTHER ONES THAT ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT, LIKE RETAINING ROLES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.
I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT IT'S DECEMBER 1ST, THAT GIVES US MORE TIME TO PUT THESE THROUGH.
I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET A SCHEDULE PUT TOGETHER QUICKLY OF THINGS THAT WE CAN BE PUSHING OUT IN THESE COMING MONTHS SO THAT THEY CAN BE IN PLACE ESPECIALLY FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT, AS THESE CHANGES HAPPEN, THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE SHIFT.
THE SOONER WE START GETTING THEM DONE, THE EASIER IT'LL BE FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT, SO IT'S NOT LIKE, HERE'S 60 NEW CHANGES THAT YOU HAVE TO LEARN OVERNIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOT DO THAT TO YOUR TEAM.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY THAT PUT TOGETHER LIKE A SCHEDULE OF SOME SORT.
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE COULD DO PUT TOGETHER A CALENDAR AND START KNOCKING THEM OUT ONE AT A TIME. I LIKE IT.
>> FRED GIVES US AS CITY MANAGER.
A LOT OF THESE ARE JUST SOME THINGS FROM EYE LEVEL WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT WE KNOW WE CAN IMPROVE ON AND INITIATE WITH THE TEAM.
A LOT OF OUR CITIES AROUND US DO THESE THINGS ALREADY, SO WE'RE GETTING CAUGHT UP WITH SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
THE TREE MITIGATION AND PARKLAND DEDICATION FEES, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, A MEANINGFUL AMOUNT THERE BECAUSE YOU CAN PRICE YOURSELF OUT OF SOME THINGS WITH THOSE FEES, PER SE, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND THAT WE'RE COMPETITIVE WITH THESE FEES AND NOT DETER DEVELOPMENT, DETER FOLKS FROM WANT TO DO BUSINESS HERE IN THE CITY.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE INDIVIDUALLY AND HOPEFULLY GET MOST OF THEM DONE BEFORE WE GET TO THAT MORATORIUM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO DEFINITELY GET ON SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
>> I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE RENTALS AND THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
>> DO YOU ALL REQUIRE INSPECTIONS FOR RENTAL PROPERTY AS NEW RENTERS COME IN?
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IS THERE A FEE FOR THAT? THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT BECAUSE OF IN MY FORMER LIFE AS A COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL, WHEN WE DID RESIDENTIAL INSPECTIONS, WE HAD A LOT OF HOMES THAT RENTED, AND WE ACTUALLY REQUIRED THAT THE POWER BE TURNED OFF, SO AN INSPECTION HAD TO BE DONE BECAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, PEOPLE THAT RENT A HOUSE FOR A YEAR OR TWO, THEY COME IN AND THEY CHANGE THINGS.A LOT OF THE SAFETY THINGS ARE TAKEN AWAY, OR THEY'LL PUT NEW WIRING IN OR THEY'LL EVEN COME IN AND DECIDE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN A NEW BREAKER OR SOME NEW WIRING AND THEY DOUBLE LUG IT AND ALL THINGS.
IS THAT GOING TO REQUIRE AN INSPECTION OR SOME WAY WE CAN DO THAT FOR RENTAL PROPERTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE.
>> THOSE TWO, THEY'RE SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT A LITTLE BIT.
THE SHORT TERM RENTAL IS MORE OF YOUR VRBO, THOSE TYPE OF FACILITIES THAT PEOPLE RENT OUT THEIR HOMES FOR A WEEKEND OR WHATNOT.
THAT WILL BE MORE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING.
WITH SHORT TERM RENTALS, YOU CAN CAPTURE A HOTEL MOTEL TAX.
THAT ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING THAT HOTEL MOTEL TAX USED FOR DIFFERENT THINGS HERE FOR THE CITY.
THEY HAVE TO REGISTER THROUGH THE STATE CONTROLLER, AND THEN WE START COLLECTING THAT TAX BASED OFF OF OUR ORDINANCE.
ALSO SAFETY, MAKE SURE THAT, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF LEGWORK WITH THE PRINCETON COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOME STANDARDS IN PLACE THAT'S GOOD FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS, THAT MAKES SENSE FOR PRINCETON.
WE'LL HAVE TO PROPOSE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES TO THE COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THOSE REGULATIONS WILL BE.
RENTALS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, LITTLE SIMILAR, BUT DIFFERENT.
THOSE ARE MORE YOUR TYPICAL RENTERS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF RENTAL PROPERTY HERE THAT INVESTORS FROM OUT OF THE STATE OWNED THAT RENT A LOT OF THE HOMES HERE IN PRINCETON.
WE WANT TO CREATE A PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE THAT IS SAFE, THAT THEY'RE KEEPING UP WITH THEIR PROPERTY FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT AND WHATNOT.
THIS ALLOWS US ANNUALLY TO HAVE AN INSPECTION TO GO IN THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR ORDINANCES AND THAT THE RENTERS KNOW THAT, HEY WE HAVE THESE GUIDELINES THAT WE WANT BOTH THE FOLKS THAT OWN THE PROPERTY AND THE PEOPLE THAT RENT THE PROPERTY TO FOLLOW.
IT REALLY HELPS CREATE COMMUNITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW INVOLVED YOU ARE IN SEEING SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S GOING OUT THERE ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA, DO WE HAVE A FEE FOR HAVING TO GO INSPECT AND MAKE SURE APARTMENTS ARE BEING HELD TO OUR STANDARDS? BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STUFF COMING UP ABOUT OUR APARTMENTS HERE, SOME CONCERNS WITH MOLD AND EVEN NOT THE WALMART DEPARTMENTS.
I'M SAYING ONES PEOPLE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO BE CHARGING, LIKE IF WE'RE HAVING TO GO OUT THERE FOR THESE THINGS AND WE ARE FINDING THESE VIOLATIONS, ARE WE ABLE TO BE FINDING THOSE APARTMENTS TO KIND OF PUSH THAT INCENTIVE OF, YOU NEED TO MEET THESE LIVING STANDARDS HERE IN OUR CITY, BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THEM TO MEET THE STANDARDS THAN TO GET THE FINES AND PENALTIES?
>> SURE. GOOD QUESTION. THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THE BULLET NUMBER 4 IS.
THAT IS ACTUALLY THE MULTI FAMILY ANNUAL REGISTRATION INSPECTIONS VERY TYPICAL FOR CITIES THAT DO HAVE APARTMENT COMPLEXES TO REGISTER ANNUALLY AND US HAVE THAT SIMILAR INSPECTION THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH A RENTAL PROPERTY, JUST FOR SOME OF THE VERY REASONS YOU STATED, MAKING SURE THAT I'VE SEEN THE LITTLE PUTTING GREENS TURN TO DETENTION PONDS WHEN THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE I'VE SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, LANDSCAPING, MAKE SURE THE LANDSCAPING IS UP KEPT.
BASICALLY THE PROCESS WOULD WORK.
>> THEY'RE CALLING IT WATERGATE, WITH ORDINANCES BEING CHANGED WITH WATER RATES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THINK RUSHING INTO INCREASING RATES WOULD NOT GO OVER VERY WELL.
I THINK I WOULD AGREE WITH CAROLYN, THAT WAITING FOR A SURVEY THAT TELLS US THE EXACT NUMBERS IS FAR BETTER THAN FINDING OUT LATER THAT WE ARE OVERCHARGING AGAIN.
NOW WHAT? I WOULD ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION AND WAIT TILL WE HAVE ACTUAL NUMBERS TO JUSTIFY THE RATES THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE.
>> BUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THOUGH, IS THAT IS THE OUTSIDE THE CITY IN THE ETJ, BUT OUTSIDE THE CITY FOR THE WATER RATES.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE CHARGING A FLAT RATE FOR WATER RATES.
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MY OPINION IS WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND TRY TO RECOUP THAT RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE CAN DO THE RATE STUDY.TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT WORDS OUT.
I KNOW WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE THING WITH THE ORDINANCES.
BUT THE OUTSIDE, THE CITY SANITARY SEWER RATES WERE ALWAYS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE INSIDE THE CITY RATES ARE.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT BECAUSE THE OTHER WAS FOR INSIDE THE CITY.
THERE ARE SO MANY OUTSIDE THE CITY THAT ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW, THEY USE THEIR OWN SEPTIC SYSTEMS ALSO, WHICH DOESN'T AFFECT THIS.
WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO.
CURRENTLY IN THE CITY, WE'RE CHARGING WASTEWATER ON A CONSUMPTION RATE?
>> THEN IN OUR ETJ, THE SAME THING, BUT IT'S FOR OUTSIDE CITY RATES?
>> BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE EVEN FURTHER ARE ON A FLAT RATE?
>> THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE RATE THAT ALL OF US PAY.
ME LIVING HERE IN THE CITY, I PAY BASED ON CONSUMPTION.
PEOPLE IN THE ETJ ALREADY PAY BASED ON CONSUMPTION, SHOULD BE NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T MOVE THESE FOLKS TO PAY BASED ON CONSUMPTION SOONER THAN LATER.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE CHARGING THEM THE SAME CONSUMPTION RATE AS OUTSIDE CITY SEWER RATES, THEN THERE'S NO HARM THERE.
SOUND LIKE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE DONE SOONER THAN LATER, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE ALREADY IN THE RED IN THAT FUND SO MUCH ALREADY.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE RAISING THEIR RATE.
WE'RE JUST MAKING THEM PAY THEIR SHARE.
FOR SOME FOLKS, IT'LL PROBABLY GO DOWN.
THEIR RATES WILL GO DOWN BECAUSE THEY DON'T CONSUME AS MUCH AS OTHER PEOPLE.
HOW IT AFFECTS THE INDIVIDUAL CHANGE, I GUESS, BUT THEN THE RATE STUDY, LET'S SAY WE CREATE AN ORDINANCE NOW, TO CHANGE IT TO USAGE OR CONSUMPTION RATE, AND THEN NEXT YEAR, WHENEVER THIS STUDY COMES BACK, WE CAN MAKE A CHANGE AT THAT TIME, TOO.
I WOULD SAY GET THEM ON THE USAGE RATE SOONER THAN LATER, AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT THE RATE STUDY HAPPENS.
NOW, I THINK WE SHOULD CHARGE THEM THE SAME AS WE CHARGE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE ETJ THAT'S OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS.
I THINK WE SHOULD BRING THEM ALL UP TO THE SAME LEVEL THAT WE ARE.
IF IN THE CITY WE'RE PAYING MORE, WE'RE PROVIDING THE SAME SERVICE, I THINK IT SHOULD BE THE SAME. I AGREE.
>> IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, CAN WE DO A BETTER JOB WITH HOW WE MAKE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT THAN WE DID WITH THE FIRE SERVICES? JUST ASKING, PLEASE, CAN WE DO A MUCH BETTER JOB ON THAT?
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY. THERE'LL BE A CAREFULLY CRAFTED MARKETING CAMPAIGN.
WE'VE SPOKEN WITH THE WATER SUPPLY CORPORATIONS THEY'RE ON BOARD WITH HELPING PUSH THAT MESSAGING OUT, AND SO THAT WE'RE ALL SAYING THE SAME INFORMATION AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS ACCURATE AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S RECEIVED BY EVERYONE THAT WILL BE AFFECTED.
>> I DO WANT TO ADD THAT OUR CURRENT CONTRACTS ALLOW US TO CHARGE PER CONSUMPTION.
THERE WILL BE NO ADDITIONAL STEP.
BASICALLY, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO BY THE CONTRACT IS LET THEM KNOW BY AUGUST 1 THAT WE ARE DECIDING TO USE THE CONSUMPTION IN LIEU OF THE FLAT RATE.
THAT'S JUST WANTED TO LET COUNCIL KNOW THAT THE CONTRACT DOES ALLOW US TO DO THAT.
>> THAT'S THE DEADLINE FOR US TO NOTIFY THE WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION.
>> I WAS LIKE, [INAUDIBLE] FAST TURNAROUND.
>> I GUESS JUST TO CLARIFY, THE DIRECTION IS TO BRING THEM ONTO CONSUMPTION BASED.
IS THE RATE WHAT EVERYONE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS IS PAYING OR IS THE RATE WHAT
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THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS WHAT THEY'RE BEING BILLED?>> I WOULD AGREE THAT WE CHARGE THEM THE ETJ.
THEY'RE NOT PART OF CITY LIMITS, SO MATCH THE RATE.
>> IS THAT THE COMMON DIRECTION? THEN WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK AND WE'LL START THE PROCESS OF NOTIFYING THE WATER SUPPLY CORPORATIONS AND CRAFTING THAT MESSAGING TO GO OUT.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL FOR ALL OF THAT DIRECTION AND FEEDBACK.
AGAIN, I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THE BUDGET IS GETTING VERY CLOSE TO BEING FINALIZED.
WE WILL INCORPORATE THE DIRECTION WE GOT TONIGHT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE HANDOUT YOU HAVE, JUST TO REITERATE SO THAT WE ARE ALL AGREEING ON THE PARKS AND REC FEE CHANGES, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OBJECTION TO ANY OF THOSE.
OR THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THEN ON DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, DIDN'T HEAR ANY OBJECTIONS.
JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT MR. LONG SAID THAT WE ARE JUST DOING COST OF SERVICE.
WITH REGARD TO THE SOLID WASTE, I DID HEAR THAT THE SECOND EXTREME GREEN EVENT WAS DEFINITELY FAVORABLE.
WE WILL COME BACK WITH THE SURVEY ABOUT WEEKLY RECYCLE.
>> IN THE CARDBOARD COLLECTION, I AGREE THAT SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE BULK WASTE, WE PROBABLY REALLY DON'T NEED THAT ONE.
>> I DON'T THINK SO. IN MY HOME, WE PRODUCE A LOT OF CARDBOARD.
MY DAUGHTER DOES DIALYSIS, AND WE ARE ABLE TO BREAK THE BOXES DOWN FOR THE EVERY OTHER WEEK, AND THEN WE BAND THEM TOGETHER FOR THE BULK TRASH PICKUP.
>> THANK YOU. THEN JUST HEARING ABOUT THE CCN ON THE WASTEWATER, WE WILL GO TO CONSUMPTION FOR OUTSIDE RATES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL INCORPORATE ALL OF THAT IN THE BUDGET THAT WE'LL BE PRESENTING VERY SOON.
>> COUNCIL, ONE LAST POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WHEN WE SAY WE'LL TURN OVER THE BUDGET, THAT'S FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW AND MAKE CHANGES.
ONCE IT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS, IT'S IN YOUR HANDS TO MAKE CHANGES FROM THERE.
THERE'LL BE FURTHER DISCUSSION AND PUBLIC HEARINGS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT ABOUT THIS LATEST C5 FEE SCHEDULE.
FROM LAST YEAR TILL THIS YEAR, MASSIVE IMPROVEMENT IN THE PROCESS.
THIS IS VERY TRANSPARENT AND CLEAR, GREAT JOB BY THE STAFF PRESENTING ALL THAT INFORMATION AND PROVIDING US THESE DETAILS. THANK YOU.
>> I DO AGREE WITH CHRISTIAN LONG.
NOW GOING ON TO ITEM D, DISCUS AND REVIEW AGENDA ITEMS. THE CITY COUNCIL ASKS QUESTIONS REGARDING OR DISCUSS ANY ITEM LISTED ON THE MAIN MEETING AGENDA.
NO FORMAL ACTION WILL BE TAKEN DURING THIS PRE MEETING AS ANY FORMAL ACTION SHALL ONLY OCCUR DURING THE MAIN MEETING.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR US TO LOOK AND REVIEW WHATEVER IS ON THE AGENDA, GET SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED, AND MAKE OUR OTHER AGENDA RUN THROUGH SMOOTHLY OR QUICKER, MAYBE.
>> YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE MORNING RIDGE DEVELOPMENT.
>> DID YOU NOT JUST SAY WE CAN DISCUSS REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS NOW?
>> YES. THAT'S THE TIME TO DISCUSS REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS. NOT FOR VOTING ANYTHING, BUT JUST DISCUSS GET SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
>> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. CRAIG FISHER DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
ITEM J1 IS TO CONSIDER FINAL PLAT APPROVAL FOR MORNING RIDGE PHASE 3.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE REGARDING THIS ITEM.
>> MOSTLY, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME FRICTION FROM WHEN PEOPLE FELT A LITTLE LIKE, PUSHED WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT THIS.
THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO SAY NO TO DURING THE MORATORIUM.
I WANT TO JUST THANK COMMISSIONER HISS FOR ALL OF HIS WORK AND HELP, GOING OUT TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
HE AND I WENT OUT THERE AND WE HAD LOOKED AT IT.
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WE'D BROUGHT BACK SERIOUS CONCERNS.I KNOW DURING THAT CONVERSATION, THE COMMENTARIES AND STUFF OF, LIKE, WE'RE NOT ENGINEERS AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE THIRD PARTY ENGINEERS REPORT ON THIS.
BUT OUR CONCERNS WERE ON POINT.
THE CONCERNS WE HAD ARE THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD ADDRESSED.
I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE TO THANK COMMISSIONER HISS FOR HELPING TAKE CARE OF THAT, BECAUSE IF WE HADN'T ADDRESSED IT, THEN THESE NEW HOMES WOULD HAVE HAD PROBLEMS THAT WERE $50,000 OR MORE HAVING TO MAKE THESE REPAIRS.
I KNOW THERE'S FRENCH DRAINS GOING IN EVEN FOR WHERE THE WATER WAS GOING UNDER THE WALL AND NOT APPROPRIATELY THROUGH IT.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY COSTLY TO PUT ONTO AN HOA OR A NEW RESIDENT.
I WANT TO THANK HIM, BUT I ALSO WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US, HEARING US OUT WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS A SHOCKING MOMENT.
BUT I APPRECIATE THE CITY STAFF FOR GOING OUT THERE AND DOING THEIR PART, LOOKING AT IT AND HEARING US BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY HEARING IT WHEN SOMEONE GOES AND SAYS, HEY, THERE'S A PROBLEM HERE AND ASKING YOU TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN.
BUT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, ALL OF US WORKED TOGETHER AND ALL OF US WERE ABLE TO DO THE CHECKS AND BALANCES THAT WERE NECESSARY TO ENSURE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BEING DONE CORRECTLY AND THAT OUR RESIDENTS WERE KEPT AT THE FOREFRONT OF OUR DECISIONS.
I JUST REALLY WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT BECAUSE IF WE ALL HADN'T DONE OUR PARTS FOR THIS, THESE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD MOVE IN THERE WOULD HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, EVERYONE.
>> THANK YOU, MS. TODD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH THIS ITEM?
>> I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
THE NEXT ITEM WILL BE EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO NOT GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THAT OFF TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE WORK SESSION.
>> I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> MOTION MADE AND SECOND. THOSE IN FAVOR AYE.
>> WE ARE ADJOURNED. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ABOUT 10 MINUTE BREAK, AND THEN WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.