[A. CALL TO ORDER-MAYOR]
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>> WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED. TODAY IS MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 8, 2025. THE TIME IS 5:11.
THIS WILL START OUR PRE COUNCIL MEETING.
I'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
MS. DAVID GRAVES IS NOT HERE. MS. HOT?
>> MR. WASHINGTON IS NOT HERE AT THIS TIME. MR. GEOFF?
>> MR. LONG IS NOT HERE, BUT WE HAVE QUORUM, SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT OF OUT OF ORDER ON THIS ONE,
[C. WORK SESSION AGENDA]
JUST TO GIVE THE REST OF COUNCIL TIME TO GET HERE.WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT ITEM C2, 2025.
DATE PRESENTATIONS DISCUSSION REGARDING VIRTUAL MEETING OPTIONS IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
COUNSEL, RICKER VINE DIRECTOR OF IT, AND TAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THE VIRTUAL MEETING OVERVIEW.
ON MAY 27, THE IT DEPARTMENT WAS ASKED TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR THE VIRTUAL MEETING.
SORRY. WE WERE ASKED TO INVESTIGATE VIRTUAL ATTENDANCE FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND WE EXPLORE SOLUTIONS THROUGH ALL VENUES AND CAME UP WITH THE ONE RIGHT HERE THAT YOU SEE ON THIS SCREEN RIGHT HERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IN THE RIGHT HAND CORNER IS THE DISPLAY THAT WILL SHOW THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE MEETING.
IT'S ALSO THE SAME SCREEN THAT WE USE FOR THE VOTING.
THOUGH IT MAY WORK THIS WAY, IT JUST ISN'T REALLY FEASIBLE FOR THE SECRETARY TO REARRANGE DISPLAYS AS IT IS NOW TO MAKE THAT WORK.
ALSO, THE SOLUTION FOR THIS PART ALONE IS $31,000.
FOR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT BE USED, FOR WHILE WE'LL FIGURE OUT IF THAT'S A WAY TO GO.
THE CHALLENGES AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STAFF.
THE VERY FIRST THING IS SECURITY.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS SECURE, AND THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS EXPOSE US TO POSSIBLE INFILTRATIONS.
IT ALSO POSES LIKE I MENTIONED, WITH THE DISPLAY ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES FOR THE CITY SECRETARY TO MAKE SURE ALL THE THINGS ARE RE ARRANGED PROPERLY ON THE DISPLAY, SO I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THE COSTS OF IT.
ALL THESE VIRTUAL SOLUTIONS ARE ACTUALLY STORED IN THE CLOUD AS WELL, SO IT MIGHT NOT BE SAFE.
FOR THAT, PEOPLE CAN INFILTRATE THE CLOUD SOLUTIONS TOO.
WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE PUBLISHED, THEN ANYONE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO MEETING INFORMATION, INCLUDING THE LINKS, WHETHER IT'S INTENTIONAL OR UNINTENTIONAL THAT COULD HAPPEN.
EXPOSE THIS TO MORE RISKS DURING THE MEETING.
DUE TO ALL THESE REASONS, THE STAFF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RECOMMEND THAT WE DON'T DO THIS GOING FORWARD.
WE JUST USE THE CURRENT SOLUTIONS WE HAVE IN PLACE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> FIRST, IT WAS FEBRUARY WHEN I ASKED ABOUT IT.
SECOND, WE USED ARPA FUNDS TO UPDATE THIS ROOM, CORRECT?
>> WHY AFTER COVID, WAS IT NOT SOMETHING CONSIDERED TO ENSURE THAT REMOTE PARTICIPATION WAS, IN FACT, INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE? THAT'S PART 1 AND PART 2 QUESTION.
>> CORRECT. BUT I WASN'T HERE DURING COVID SO NONE OF THAT WAS ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER FOR THIS MEETING IN THE FIRST PLACE.
MY INTENTION IS WAS TO UPDATE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAD TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN VOTE ACCURATELY AND MAKE THAT GO MORE EFFICIENTLY.
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OF COURSE, YOU SEE THE SPEAKERS AND THE MICROPHONES AND THE DISPLAYS THAT SHOW EVERYTHING TOO.I BELIEVE WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OPERATING THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT A CONSIDERATION THAT WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP.
>> OKAY. MY SECOND QUESTION IS, WE DID IMPLEMENT TEAMS IN ALL OF OUR CONFERENCE ROOMS. TEAMS IS BEING USED WHEN CITY STAFF IS DOING CONFIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS OVER TEAMS IF THEY'RE DOING IT REMOTELY.
IF WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CYBERSECURITY OF A MEETING, HOW ARE WE ADDRESSING THAT IF CITY STAFF IS USING OUR CONFERENCE ROOMS AND TEAMS MEETINGS AND SUCH? WHAT ARE WE DOING TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THOSE THINGS?
>> CORRECT. THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS THOSE TEAMS MEETINGS ARE GEARED TOWARDS SPECIFIC PARTICIPANTS, NOT EVERYBODY.
THEY DON'T PUBLISH THOSE OUT ON THE WEBSITE FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION AND I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT DURING COVID, WE DID HAVE SOME VIRTUAL MEETINGS THAT WAS ALLOWED BY LAW AT THAT TIME BECAUSE NO ONE WAS HAVING IN PERSON MEETINGS.
HOWEVER, THOUGH I THINK ALL THIS CHANGED AND NOW FOR OPEN MEETINGS THAT YOU CAN STILL HAVE VIRTUAL MEETINGS, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM PRESENT.
IN OTHER WORDS, WE'D STILL HAVE TO HAVE FIVE PEOPLE HERE.
IN ONE OR TWO THAT THEY LIKE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE OUT.
COULD ACTUALLY DO VIRTUAL, BUT WE'D STILL HAVE TO HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM HERE.
>> MY NEXT QUESTION IS I UNDERSTAND WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS AND I AGREE.
LIKE WHEN I FIRST HEARD THE COST MONTHS AGO, I WAS LIKE, DON'T LIKE THAT, I'M NOT INTERESTED ANYMORE, BUT I'M CURIOUS.
WAS THIS EVEN INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE VOTING ON AT ALL, OR IS IT JUST SOMETHING WE'RE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW? MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS GOING TO FREE UP MONEY THAT WE SET ASIDE IN THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY THAT WE CAN ALLOCATE ELSEWHERE, OR IS THIS NOT EVEN RELEVANT TO THE BUDGET WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY?
>> I BELIEVE IT'S NOT PART OF THE CURRENT BUDGET WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY.
>> YEAH, IT'S NOT. I THINK WE HAD A DISCUSSION AND IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANTED TO GO IN, WE CAN EXPLORE THAT OPTION, BUT AT THIS TIME, I DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT IS THAT THIS IS NECESSARY FOR US BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING COMMON THAT WE NEED.
WE DIDN'T ADD IT TO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
>> THAT'S FINE. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF LIKE, HEY, WE HAVE SOME EXTRA MONEY TO PUT SOMEWHERE ELSE TO LIKE AN AUDIT OR SOMETHING OR IF IT'S JUST NOT IN THE BUDGET AT ALL?
>> NO. IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET AT ALL, MA'AM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTION. DO YOU NEED DIRECTION ON THIS, OR ARE WE GOOD TO GO BECAUSE I THINK THAT AS FAR AS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE NECESSARILY NEED RIGHT NOW.
IF THIS BECOME A NEED IN THE FUTURE, I THINK WE CAN BRING THIS BACK UP, BUT AT THIS TIME, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S NECESSARY TO INVEST INTO THIS.
>> THIS WILL BRING US TO C3 DISCUSSION AND PARTITION REGARDING THIS MASTER PLAN UPDATE AND RECEIVE DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNSEL.
TOMMY MATT DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, WE WERE ASKED TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF UPDATING THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN.
THROUGHOUT THAT PROCESS, WE WERE UNDERGOING AN RFQ PROCESS TO SELECT ENGINEERING FIRMS FOR ON CALL WORK AND TO ENTER INTO SOME SERVICE AGREEMENTS TO PERFORM THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN.
THROUGH THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND REALLY LEADING INTO IT, WE'VE DECIDED TO BRING THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN TO COUNSEL TO GET SOME DIRECTION FOR THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF WHAT IS DESIRED TO BE WRITTEN INTO THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN.
FIRST, WE'LL START OUT WITH WHAT IS A MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN.
IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE DOCUMENT USED TO MANAGE STORM-WATER AND REDUCE FLOODING RISKS.
IT IDENTIFIES DRAINAGE ISSUES, PROVIDES ASSESSMENTS FOR FUTURE DRAINAGE CONDITIONS, AND RECOMMEND SOLUTIONS TO PROTECT PROPERTY, COMMUNITY, AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
THE CURRENT MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN, WHICH WE HAVE THE CONSULTANT HERE WHO DRAFTED THE ORIGINAL OR THIS MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN FROM 2018.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S EXISTING,
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THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS.IT WAS COMPLETED IN 2018 AND ADOPTED, COST $282,300 AT THAT TIME.
IT STUDIED THE TICKEY CREEK AND MAJOR DRAINAGE BASINS AND SUB BASINS CONTRIBUTING TO THAT AREA, AND IT SET THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATIONS FOR THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD.
UPDATED THE FEMA ZONE A TO ZONE AE, WHICH IS WHAT THAT 100 YEAR FLOOD ELEVATION IS.
THE OUTCOME WAS WE HAD DRAFT DRAINAGE MODELS TO GUIDE DEVELOPMENT, PROTECT THE WATERSHED FROM FLOODING AND EROSION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
IT ALSO AS AN ADD ON TO THIS PLAN, WE HAD THE DRAINAGE ORDINANCES DRAFTED.
LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT A MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN IS AND WHAT IT IS NOT.
IT IS NOT A DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
IT DOES NOT ESTABLISH CIP PROJECTS, AND IT DOES NOT REPLACE DEVELOPER DRAINAGE STUDIES, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT DOES NOT GUARANTEE FLOOD PREVENTION.
WHAT IT DOES IS IT PROVIDES YOU WITH A TOOL TO DIAGNOSE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND PROVIDES HYDROLOGY MODELS FOR DEVELOPERS TO USE AS THEY DEVELOP ADJACENT TO THE FLOODPLAIN OR DEVELOP IN A WAY THAT WOULD IMPACT THAT DRAINAGE FLOODPLAIN.
IT PROPOSES CONCEPTUAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT WATERSHED.
AS WE LOOK INTO MOVING FORWARD WITH THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN UPDATE, THERE ARE SEVERAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND, A FULL UPDATE TO COVER EVERYTHING THAT THE CURRENT MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN COVERS, EXPAND THAT TO OUR FULL CITY LIMITS, WHICH HAS GROWN SINCE 2017, 2018 TIME FRAME WHEN THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS PROVIDED, IS GOING TO COST A BASE OF APPROXIMATELY $750,000.
IF WE GO THROUGH AND GET VERY GRANULAR, START LOOKING AT EVERY STORM INLET, EVERY STORM PIPE, DRAINAGE EASEMENT, ALL WATERWAYS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WHETHER THEY'RE A MAJOR OR SUB BASIN CONTRIBUTOR TO TICKEY CREEK, WE'RE LOOKING IN EXCESS OF $2.5 MILLION.
OBVIOUSLY, THE COST WILL INCREASE AS THE SCOPE INCREASES.
ALONG WITH THAT, IF WE GO WITH THE FULL BLOWN GRANULAR DETAILED LOOK INTO THESE DRAINAGE AREAS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEVELOP A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
>> JUST WANTED TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON THIS.
I'VE HAD SOME DIRECT EXPERIENCE WITH MASTER DRAINAGE STUDIES IN THE PAST AND JUST WANTED TO GIVE THE COUNCIL A HOLISTIC VIEW OF SOME OF THESE THINGS.
AS TOMMY WAS ALLUDING TO, THOSE MASTER DRAINAGE UPDATES, YOU CAN DEVELOP CIPS FROM THAT.
ALSO, I'VE SEEN WHERE DRAINAGE IMPACT FEES ARE ALSO INTRODUCED BECAUSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF DRAINAGE PROJECTS. VERY, VERY COSTLY.
YOU HAVE ALSO YOU HAVE SOME CIP PROJECT LIABILITY.
ONCE THOSE PROJECTS ARE OUT THERE, THERE'S AN EXPECTATION TO DO THOSE PROJECTS.
DRAINAGE IMPACT FEE IMPLEMENTATION IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT VERY POPULAR ON TOP OF US COLLECTING ROADWAY, WATER, SEWER IMPACT FEES.
TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE IMPACT FEE TO DEVELOPMENT IN ADDITION TO ALL THOSE FEES AND PARK LAND DEDICATION AND THOSE SORT OF THINGS, DOES PUT ADDITIONAL STRAIN ON DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMUNITIES, JUST WANTED TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHAT THAT COULD DO.
NOW, THERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVE APPROACHES THAT WE CAN DO AS A CITY THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING TODAY.
OBVIOUSLY, WE ALWAYS ARE ABREAST OF OUR ORDINANCES AND OUR PRACTICES CONTINUE TO KEEP THOSE UPDATED AND AMENDED AS SUCH AS THE INDUSTRY GROWS.
ALSO, WE HAVE HYDRAULIC MODELS FROM THE 2018 STUDY THAT WE CAN KEEP AS IS.
THEY'RE STILL VALID, THERE'S STILL GOOD MODELS, AND THEN CONTINUE TO ENFORCE OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES THAT WE ADOPTED AS PART OF THAT ORIGINAL PLAN WITH THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS AND WHATNOT.
RIGHT NOW, IF WE DON'T UPDATE THOSE MODELS, DEVELOPMENT STILL HAS TO COME AND STILL DO THOSE ASSESSMENTS AND STILL DO THE PROPER DRAINAGE TECHNIQUES THAT ARE REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE DEVELOPING IN THE FEMA FLOODPLAINS, WHETHER IT'S IN A FLOODPLAIN OR FLOOD WAY, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FEMA PROCESS THROUGH WHAT THEY CALL CLOMR OR LOMR, WHICH IS BASICALLY YOU'RE CHANGING THE MAP BOUNDARY BASICALLY.
THEY STILL WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT REGARDLESS IF WE HAVE A TODAY MODEL OR A YESTERDAY MODEL.
REALLY, THE MODEL DOES ASSUME SOME OF THE BURDEN OF THE COSTS FROM THE DEVELOPER.
THE DEVELOPER WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH
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THOSE DRAINAGE STUDIES REGARDLESS IF WE HAD A MODEL OR NOT.JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNSEL'S CLEAR ON THAT.
OR WE COULD TAKE OUR HYDRAULIC MODELS TODAY THAT'S IN THE PLAN, TRY TO BOIL IT DOWN TO A MORE MANAGEABLE AMOUNT TO UPDATE THOSE MODELS.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE ABOUT $450,000 TO DO THAT UPDATE.
BASICALLY, THAT IS AN UPDATE TO JUST A HYDRAULIC MODEL THAT WE THEN WOULD GIVE THE DEVELOPER, THEY WOULD THEN BOIL THAT COST OR THAT THEY WOULD USE THAT MODEL TO DESIGN THEIR SUBDIVISION.
NOW, AGAIN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT ANYWAY BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT'S WHAT OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES.
THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST THAT WE WOULD ASSUME AS A CITY INSTEAD OF THE DEVELOPER DOING IT.
I'VE DONE THESE BEFORE IN THE PAST.
I'VE SEEN ONE EXTREME TO THE OTHER.
THEY COULD GET QUITE ELABORATE. DRAINAGE PHASE CAN.
AGAIN, IT'S ALL THE FLAVOR OF THE COUNCIL.
I THINK WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'VE GOT PLENTY OF QUESTIONS.
IN 2012, THE CITY OF PRINCETON WAS DESIGNATED AS PART OF THE MCKINNEY URBANIZED AREA BY THE TEXAS COMMISSION ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.
AT THAT TIME, IT WAS REQUIRED THAT THE CITY MAINTAIN FUNDS THAT ARE RESTRICTED FOR USE WITHIN STORM-WATER ACTIVITIES AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR THE STORM-WATER MANAGEMENT.
BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF SILT AND RUNOFF PROBLEMS THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE PROVIDED YOU PICTURES OF IN THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
>> I WOULD BE CURIOUS WHAT TCEQ HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE POLLUTANT DISCHARGE THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH THE SILT AND EVERYTHING GOING INTO FROM OUR STORMWATER RUNOFF.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD THAT ISSUE IN THE PAST.
I'M CURIOUS WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE NOW.
WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF RESIDENTS COME BEFORE COUNCIL TALKING ABOUT HOW THEIR PROPERTIES ARE BEING DAMAGED.
YOU MENTIONED THE FEMA FLOODPLAINS, BUT CAN YOU TELL ME EXACTLY HOW MANY DEVELOPER CREATED FLOODPLAINS OR HAVE BEEN MADE BECAUSE OUR CITY ORDINANCES DON'T REQUIRE US TO DOCUMENT THEM, NOR DO WE HAVE TO TELL THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE LIVING NEXT TO THEM THAT THEY NOW HAVE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN BESIDE THEM.
THERE ARE SEVERAL RESIDENTS IN THE CITY WHO HAVE NO IDEA THAT MAYBE PART OF THEIR PROPERTY IS NOW 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE OF SOMETHING A DEVELOPER CAME IN AND DID AND SAY THEY GO BUILD A STRUCTURE ON IT, THAT'S NOT OKAY, AND WE DON'T HOLD THOSE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS AND SUCH FOR THOSE AREAS BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY TO FIND OUT IF IT EXISTS IS TO KNOW TO ASK FOR THE RECORDS REQUEST, BECAUSE WE DO NOT DOCUMENT THOSE HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAINS AND THEY ARE ALL OVER THE CITY.
WE HAVE FLOODING ALL OVER THE CITY FROM NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IMPACTED NOW TO BE THE FASTEST GROWING CITY TO HAVE THAT MUCH CONCRETE PUT IN, IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND TO THINK THAT THAT STORM WATER STUDY FROM YEARS AGO IS STILL RELEVANT IS CRAZY.
THEN TO SAY THAT THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO DO THEIR OWN STUDIES, THAT I READ THEIR DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS.
ALL THEY DO IS QUOTE OUR MASTER DRAINAGE STUDY.
THEY'RE BARELY DOING ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING OUR NUMBERS AND UTILIZING THEM FOR THEIR PROJECTS AND OUR NUMBERS ARE OUTDATED.
FEMA FLOODPLAINS, MANY OF THEM HAVEN'T BEEN REDONE SINCE 2009.
WITH ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE HAD, IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT WE HAVE FEMA FLOODPLAINS THAT HAVE GROWN, AND WE HAVE NO IDEA BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO HAVE THAT STUDIED TO LOOK AT IT.
IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH, WE WILL GO FROM THE FASTEST GROWING CITY TO THE FASTEST THAT'S BEING DESTROYED BECAUSE THESE HOUSES WILL BE WRECKED.
WE HAVE HOMES INTERNAR STATES THAT ARE SITTING ON A WATER TABLE.
THERE'S A PERSON WHO HAD TO PAY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO PUT BEAMS UNDER HIS SLAB FOUNDATION IN HOPES OF SAVING HIS HOME, AND HE'S STILL BEING TOLD TO SELL IT BECAUSE IN A FEW YEARS, IT'S STILL GOING TO SLIDE RIGHT DOWN AND HE IS ONE OF 10 HOMES ON THAT STRIP.
THAT'S INSANE TO SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE A STORM WATER PROBLEM.
IS THERE AN ENGINEER PRESENT WHO IS WILLING TO SAY, THIS CITY DOES NOT NEED TO RE-LOOK AT THAT STORMWATER STUDY? IT'S COOL. USE THOSE NUMBERS FROM ALL THOSE YEARS AGO.
IT'S FINE, DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH YOU'VE GROWN, HOW MUCH CONCRETE YOU'VE PUT DOWN? THOSE NUMBERS ARE SOLID.
IS THERE AN ENGINEER IN THE ROOM WHO'S WILLING TO STAKE THEIR REPUTATION ON THAT AND SAY,
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FOR A FACT, WE ARE FINE AND OUR RESIDENTS WILL BE OKAY?>> WELL, I'M NO ENGINEER FOR SURE, AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES IN THIS CITY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A ONE SIZE FITS ALL AS WELL.
YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY CIPS AND PROJECTS AND STUDIES AS TO YOUR ARTS DESIRE, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO FIX EVERY PROBLEM BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE INITIATED BY PRIVATE OWNERS.
SOME ARE INITIATED BY DEVELOPMENT.
IT DOES HAPPEN AS PART OF A GROWING COMMUNITY.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT THERE ISN'T ANY DRAINAGE PROBLEMS IN THE CITY FOR SURE.
NOW AS TO WHETHER THE CURRENT NUMBERS ARE VALID TODAY.
IT REALLY COMES DOWN I THINK TO WHAT THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE AND WHAT THEY WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON WHEN IT COMES TO STUDIES.
IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD AND SPEND 750-$2.5 MILLION ON A STUDY TO DRILL DOWN GRANULAR TO WHAT THE ACTUAL ISSUES ARE, THAT'S UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I THINK TO GIVE THAT GUIDANCE.
NOW, IT JUST COMES DOWN TO COSTS QUITE HONESTLY.
>> THE COST IS JUST GOING TO GET GREATER OVER TIME.
IT'S SAD THAT IN THE PAST, LEADERSHIP DIDN'T BRING THIS UP, AND THEY DIDN'T SEE IT AS A PRIORITY TO DO WHEN THEY SAW US GROWING AND JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO IT IN THE PAST, AND NOW WE HAVE A BIG NUMBER, DOESN'T MEAN LET'S PUSH IT DOWN THE ROAD TO MAKE THE NUMBER EVEN BIGGER.
WE HAVE ANNEXED SO MUCH LAND SINCE THE STUDY HAS BEEN DONE, AND NONE OF THAT IS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THIS STUDY.
THIS IS VITAL TO OUR RESIDENTS, AND THAT IS WHO WE ANSWER TO.
THEY ARE INVESTING IN OUR CITY WHEN THEY BUY THESE HOMES, THEY'RE INVESTING TO LIVE HERE AND IT IS OUR DUTY TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE TO ENSURE THAT WHEN THEY BUY THOSE HOMES, THAT THEY ARE BUYING A HOME THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE FLOODED, THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE DAMAGED BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SURPRISE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN THAT THEY WEREN'T INFORMED ABOUT.
IT IS OUR DUTY TO PUT THEIR BEST INTERESTS FIRST.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S TIGHT, AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT.
THIS IS OUR HOME, AND WE CANNOT JUST KEEP KICKING THIS DOWN THE ROAD AND THINK, IT'S OKAY.
IT'S BAD ENOUGH. IT'S GOTTEN THIS BAD.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS FOR EVERYONE ELSE, YOU COOL WITH KICKING THIS DOWN THE ROAD AND LETTING THE PROBLEM GET WORSE, OR ARE WE GOING TO STEP UP AND FIGURE THIS OUT AND MOVE FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS AND THEIR INVESTMENTS?
>> I GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU REAL QUICK, CHRISTINA.
HOW MANY SUBDIVISIONS ARE ACTUALLY FLOODING IN THE CITY?
>> SORRY, I'VE HAD SEVERAL HUNDRED RESIDENTS COME FORWARD, AND I AM IN THE WORKS OF MAKING A GIS MAP TO MAP THOSE OUT.
MOST OF THEM ARE ALONG TIKI CREEK, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE ORIGINAL PARKS PLAN, THOSE AREAS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE TRAILS, MOSTLY.
WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE PUTTING HOMES THAT CLOSE TO TIKI CREEK, BECAUSE AS STATED IN THE PARKS PLAN, WATER AND FLOODING ISSUES.
PARKS AND REC RECOGNIZED IT YEARS AGO.
PARKS AND REC HAD THEIR RECOMMENDATION THERE.
THEY NOTICED IT, THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT, AND IT JUST GOT IGNORED.
>> FOR THAT QUESTION, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SEVEN YEARS SINCE THAT LAST ONE, YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, HOW OFTEN ARE THESE NORMALLY DONE? ARE THESE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A LINE ITEM FOR SO THAT WAY WITHIN THE I DON'T KNOW, FIVE YEAR PERIOD, WHATEVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME IS? IS IT COMING OR THEY'RE NORMALLY DONE WHEN THINGS NEED TO BE DONE?
>> I THINK A LOT OF TIMES, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A REAL ONE SIZE FITS ALL SITUATION.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE HOT TOPICS OF THE COMMUNITY RIGHT, SOMETIMES IT'S ROAD, SOMETIMES WATER SEWER, DRAINAGE AND WHATNOT.
DRAINAGE IS ALWAYS VERY COMPLICATED BECAUSE IT'S VERY COSTLY.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING THAN JUST, HEY, THIS IS MY WATER LINE, SEWER LINE, AND THIS IS THE ROAD IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY.
EXACTLY. I THINK YOU REALLY JUST HAVE TO ASSESS WHAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THESE DRAINAGE STUDIES CAN TURN INTO WHAT I'VE SEEN HAPPEN IN THE PAST.
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I'VE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED THIS THAT WE GO AND DO THIS STUDY.WE DO THIS BIG ELABORATE STUDY THAT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.
THEN YOU WANT TO COME IN THEN FEMA WANTS TO COME AND DO THEIR UPDATE TO THEIR MAPS.
WELL, THEN THEY TAKE YOUR DATA OR THE CITY CAN INITIATE THAT DATA INTO FEMA.
WELL, THEN NOW YOU WENT FROM MAYBE HAVING, I'LL JUST USE AN ARBITRARY NUMBER 20 RESIDENTS THAT WAS IN A SAY A ZONE A OR ONE X, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE NOT IN A FLOODPLAIN.
WE DO A STUDY, WE INITIATE IT.
NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW 400 RESIDENTS ARE IN A OR ZONE A OR ZONE E. GUESS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO? THEY HAVE TO GET FLOOD INSURANCE NOW.
BY THE NFIP, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM.
THEY ARE NOW REQUIRED TO HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE BECAUSE CITY DID A PLAN, FEMA ADOPTS IT, NOW FORCES THEM INTO AN INSURANCE PLAN THAT THEY PROBABLY WASN'T PLANNING ON DOING.
THERE'S SOME CATCHES WITH IT IF YOU DECIDE HOW FAR YOU WANT TO GO.
NOW, I THINK THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE IS ABOUT AS FAR AS I WOULD RECOMMEND US GOING UNTIL YOU START GETTING INTO LIKE SPECIFIC CIP TO FIX EROSION EMBANKMENTS OR CHANNELIZATION, BECAUSE THEN YOU REALLY GET INTO SOME BIG DOLLAR PROJECTS.
I'M NOT SURE THE CITY HAS THE WHEREWITHAL FINANCIALLY TO SUPPORT THOSE TYPE OF PROJECT FROM A CIP STANDPOINT.
NOW, WHAT WE DO HAVE THE STUDY THAT WE'RE USING TODAY I THINK IS AS FAR AS I WOULD RECOMMEND THE CITY TO GO.
NOW, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER, UPDATE IT MORE COMPREHENSIVELY TO INCLUDE NEW CITY LIMITS, THAT'S REALLY UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHETHER OR NOT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY WANT TO SPEND THAT MONEY FOR THAT EXERCISE.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. A COUPLE OF THEM.
YOU MENTIONED DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS CURRENT SLIDE THE $450,000 TO UPDATE.
WHEN YOU SAY THE CURRENT DATA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING TO USE.
WHEN YOU SAY UPDATE, WOULD THAT INCLUDE ALL THE NEWLY ANNEXED AREAS OF THE CITY? IS THAT WHAT YOU REFER TO?
>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD UPDATE THE CURRENT THE HYDRAULIC MODELS THAT WE WOULD PASS TO THE DEVELOPER WOULD INCORPORATE THAT NEW ANNEXED AREA WHERE OUR CITY LIMITS HAVE EXPANDED SINCE THE 2018 PERIOD.
THAT WOULD BE AROUND $450,000 JUST TO DO THAT COMPONENT OF IT.
>> MAINTAINING THE SAME HYDRAULIC MODELS, WE WOULD JUST INCORPORATE ALL THE NEW AREAS, BASICALLY.
>> THEN THE SECOND QUESTION, IF I WERE TO SAY LET'S DO THIS, WHERE WOULD THE MONEY COME FROM? WHAT FUNDS WOULD THE MONEY COME FROM AND HOW WOULD WE ACHIEVE GETTING $450,000 IN OUR BUDGET?
>> I THINK WHERE THIS MONEY COULD COME OUT WOULD BE OUT OF THE DRAINAGE FUND THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THAT WOULD HELP PAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR STUDY.
>> THEN WHEN IT COMES TO UP AT THE TOP, YOU'RE SAYING FOR A FULL UPDATE.
LET'S JUST THEORETICALLY, IS THIS ALL SUPPOSED TO COME FROM THAT ONE DRAINAGE FUND, OR CAN WE TAKE MONEY FROM OTHER FUNDS?
>> I WOULD START WITH THE DRAINAGE FUND FOR SURE.
THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE PRIMARY PURPOSES TO ALLEVIATE DRAINAGE.
IT'S A FUN ALSO TO FUND DRAINAGE FOR TOMMY'S DRAINAGE CREW TO DO DRAINAGE THINGS, WHETHER IT'S CLEAN OUT A SWELL, THOSE TYPE, IT ALSO FUNDS THOSE TYPE OF EXERCISES AS WELL,.
BUT YES, YOU WOULD START THERE PROBABLY.
THEN WHERE ELSE THE COUNCIL FEELS THE MONEY NEEDS TO BE SPENT FROM.
>> WE'D BASICALLY BE TAKING MONEY FROM SERVICES THAT THE CITY'S RECEIVING RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY JUST FLOATING IN OUR BUDGET TO BE TAKEN FROM CURRENT SERVICES.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.
>> WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE FUNDS AND THE ACCOUNT THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD STARTING IN 2012 PER THE TCEQ FOR STORM DRAINAGE DOESN'T EXIST.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN SAVING STORM WATER MONEY, LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SINCE 2012 TO PUT TOWARDS UPDATING THESE TYPES OF THINGS AND MAINTAINING THOSE THINGS PER TCEQ AND ALL THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING.
WE'RE GOING TO PULL IT FROM OTHER PLACES.
WELL, THERE SHOULD BE A DESIGNATED ACCOUNT FOR STORMWATER.
I'M HEARING WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
ALSO, ACCORDING TO OUR ORDINANCES, THE ONLY WAY A DEVELOPER HAS TO
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DO DRAINAGE STUDY IS IF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ASKS THEM TO, AND THEY DON'T ASK EVERY TIME.ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THAT A MANDATE THAT THEY DO IT EVERY TIME? IF WE ARE, WHY CAN'T WE PULL IN THE DATA OF THOSE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS? THE DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS, THEIR ENGINEERS, THEY HAVE SOME, THOSE THAT HAVE DONE THESE STUDIES.
GRANTED, MANY OF THEM JUST USE THE OLD DATA THAT WE PROVIDE FROM OUR MASTER PLAN, BUT THOSE WHO GIVE THE NEW DATA, WE COULD BE UTILIZING IT AND PUTTING IT INTO PLACE.
TO ANSWER YOUR THING ON THE FLOODING, YEAH, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME HOMES THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET FLOOD INSURANCE, AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT I FEEL LIKE HAVING THEIR HOME INSURED FOR SHOULD THEY GET FLOODED AS WE SEE MORE FLOODING HAPPENING TO THESE PROPERTIES IS BETTER THAN NOT BEING INSURED AND FINDING OUT YOUR HOME HAS BEEN FLOODED.
WE'VE HAD A RESIDENT WHO HAS SPENT WHAT UPWARDS OF LIKE ALMOST 100,000 OR MORE ALREADY ON HER PROPERTY, AND HOW MANY TIMES HAS HAVE BEEN FLOODED OVER.
SHE CAN'T EVEN INSURE IT ANYMORE BECAUSE OF HOW BAD IT'S GOTTEN ON HER PROPERTY.
IT'S FRUSTRATING TO HAVE TO GET FLOOD INSURANCE, BUT BEING INSURED IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN NOT INSURED WHEN YOU LITERALLY HAVE EXAMPLES OF RESIDENTS HAVING THEIR HOMES FLOODED SO BADLY THAT THEY NO LONGER CAN HAVE INSURANCE.
THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST IN OUR CITY RIGHT NOW.
IT'S WILD THAT THIS IS EVEN THAT IT'S EVEN BEING QUESTIONED IF THIS IS EVEN WORTH IT FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
I GUESS YOU'RE COMING UP TO ANSWER ABOUT THE STORMWATER FUNDS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE?
>> YES. COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION, NOT FINANCIAL ASPECT.
>> IN 2012, TCEQ CAME TO US BECAUSE WE ARE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP A PROGRAM TO MANAGE THE STORMWATER THAT FLOWS THE CITY AND INTO LAKE LAVON.
IT HAS TO INCLUDE ALL FORMS OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FROM THE TIME IT LEAVES PROPERTY UNTIL ITS FINAL DESTINATION.
THE FUNDS COLLECTED ARE RESTRICTED TO USE WITHIN STORMWATER ACTIVITIES AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SO WE SHOULD BE COLLECTING FUNDS FOR THIS.
I'M ASSUMING WE DO DEVELOPMENT FUNDS.
>> IF YOU REMEMBER DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP TWO WEEKS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT PROPRIETARY FUNDS AND HOW THOSE ARE RESTRICTED FOR THEIR PURPOSE.
THERE IS THE DRAINAGE FUND THAT IS RESTRICTED FOR ITS PURPOSE, THAT PAYS FOR AS FRED HAD ALLUDED INLET MAINTAINING THE INLETS AND SO FORTH LIKE THAT.
THERE IS A FEE THAT UTILITIES RESIDENTS PAY ON THEIR UTILITY BILL.
A FLAT RATE AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES BASED ON THEIR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
THAT IS ALL BUILT INTO THE RATE PLAN AND IT IS DESIGNATED WITHIN THAT FUND ITSELF.
CAN'T BE SPENT ON ANYTHING ELSE.
>> THAT IS THE FUND WHERE THIS MONEY SHOULD COME FROM?
>> HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE IN THAT ACCOUNT RIGHT NOW?
>> WE'RE ESTIMATING AT THE END OF THIS YEAR BASED ON PROJECTIONS OF REVENUE STREAMS AND THE EXPENSES TO DATE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK AS WELL.
IT'S RIGHT NOW 2.8 MILLION IN THE FUND BALANCE.
THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE DRAINAGE FUND THAT WE'RE PROJECTING BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.
>> I DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION THAT'S FINANCE RELATED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A YOU QUESTION OR A MASHBURN QUESTION OR FILLING QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW THAT WHEN WE FIRST MOVED FORWARD WITH HAVING AN ENGINEER FOR THE JOB OUT THERE TO HIRE A CITY ENGINEER BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER HAD ONE.
WE'RE TOMMY'S MONEY FROM HIS DEPARTMENT TO COVER IT BECAUSE DEVELOPMENT DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT.
WITH THIS BUDGET AND THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE MADE, HAS THAT SHIFTED OVER TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES SO THAT THE MONEY THAT WOULD HAVE GONE TO THAT POSITION HAS BEEN FREED UP AND TOMMY HAS THOSE FINANCES?
>> AGAIN, FOR THE POSITION FOR THE ENGINEER, IT IS 50 50.
WE HAVE IT IN THE PROPRIETARY FUNDS, AS WELL AS THE GENERAL FUND.
>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE ENGINEER DOES TYPICALLY FALL UNDER PUBLIC WORKS, NOT COMMUNITY SERVICES.
YOU CAN CONTINUE WITH THE LAST SLIDE. BESIDES THAT ONE.
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>> I'LL JUST SEEKING DIRECTION FROM THE COUNSEL IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COUNSEL WANTS TO PURSUE, WE WILL.
WE JUST REALLY WANT TO PUT OUR ARMS AROUND IT TO SEE THE PLEASURE OF THE COUNSEL WHAT THEY WANT THESE OPTIONS, OR IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY.
>> ONE THING, THE DATA THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THE MODELS THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING.
IS THAT A TYPICAL DATA SET ACROSS ALL MUNICIPALITIES? DO THEY ALL MCKINNEY HAVE THE SAME DATASET THAT DEVELOPERS USE PROSPER ALL THESE OTHER RAPIDLY DEVELOPING CITIES? DO THEY FOLLOW THAT SAME MODEL IN THEIR AREAS?
>> I MAY HAVE TO ASK OUR ENGINEER TO COME UP AND ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY SEE A LOT MORE THAN I DO.
IF I CAN ANSWER ONE OF THAT QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT HOW CITIES USE THEIR OTHER DATA?
>> I JUST WANT TO SEE HOW WE COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA.
DO WE FOLLOW THE SAME DATA MODELS AND SUCH?
>> WE USE THE SAME MODELING STANDARDS.
SOME CITIES IN THE AREA MAYBE DON'T LOOK AT THE FULLY DEVELOPED CONDITION, WHICH WE DO LOOK AT THE FULLY DEVELOPED CONDITION.
SOME CITIES HAVE MORE COMPLICATED MODELS THAN WE HAVE AT THE CITY OF PRINCETON.
THERE'S AS WE WERE SAYING EARLIER, IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL THING, AND SO THERE ARE VARYING LEVELS OF SOPHISTICATION.
AS FAR AS THE FLOODPLAIN MODELS THAT WE HAVE, THEY ARE OF A COMMENSURATE LEVEL TO MODELS THAT WERE PREPARED BACK IN 2018.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. THEN LOGICALLY THINKING, IF WE HAVE A BIG AREA OF NEWLY ANNEXED LAND THAT DOESN'T HAVE THIS DATA BEHIND IT, IT MAKES SENSE TO BRING OUR DATA SET UP TO THAT CURRENT LAND MASS.
THAT MAKES LOGICAL SENSE TO ME BEING TRYING TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR BUDGET BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT.
WE HAVE AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO GET DONE AND THIS OBVIOUSLY IS AN ISSUE AND IT'S A BIG DEAL OUT HERE IN THIS PART OF TEXAS, THE FLOODING WITH THE RAINFALLS WE HAVE.
IT MAKES SENSE TO UPDATE THE CURRENT MODEL STANDARD THAT WE HAVE TO INCORPORATE ALL THE NEWLY ACQUIRED LAND OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS.
BUT IT ALSO MAKES SENSE TO DO IT FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH PUTTING IT INTO THE BUDGET AND GETTING IT LINED UP.
I HAVE NO IDEA IF YOU ALL CAN SCROUNGE UP 450K OUT OF THIS BUDGET RIGHT NOW WITHOUT TAKING AWAY FROM OTHER MUCH NEEDED SERVICES OUT THERE, WHICH WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE PLENTY TO DO.
IT'S WHERE I STAND WITH THIS IS UPDATE OUR CURRENT DATASET TO THE ENTIRE CITY AS IT'S DEFINED NOW AND TRY TO DO IT FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND GET IT IN THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING WE JUST NEED TO DO.
>> WITH TCEQ, ARE WE IN MS4? WILL WE BE HAVING TO GET MS4 PERMITS?
>> WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING MS4 PERMIT.
>> ACCORDING TO THE TCEQ, THEY REQUIRE MUNICIPALITIES TO CONDUCT A STORMWATER ASSESSMENT AND AN ANNUAL REVIEW OF THEIR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
IT'S A MANDATORY COMPONENT OF THE STATES MUNICIPAL SEPARATE STORMWATER SYSTEM, THE MS4 STORMWATER PERMITS.
>> CORRECT. WE TURN IN ALL OF THE REPORTING AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT TCEQ REQUIRES ANNUALLY.
>> ALSO. SINCE KIMLEY HORN HERE, IN OCTOBER, THEY DID A PRESENTATION AT PLANNING AND ZONING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND STUFF IN OUR CITY.
I WAS AT THAT MEETING AND I CAN PROVE THAT THEY DO NOT LOOK AT EVERYTHING THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT.
I HAVE THE DATA AS A RESIDENT.
THEY DON'T LOOK AT ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES LIKE THEY SHOULD.
DEVELOPERS AREN'T HELD TO THAT, AND I LITERALLY HAVE THE DOCUMENTS OF A DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT CROPPED OUT OF DEVELOPMENT AND DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE ACREAGE OF WATER
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PUSHING THROUGH ALL OF THOSE HOMES IN A COMMUNITY THAT WAS CAME FORWARD TO THE CITY BECAUSE OF FLOODING THAT WAS HAPPENING AND THE SOLUTION WAS TO CROP THAT SECTION OUT AND SEND IT TO KIMLEY HORN FOR APPROVAL TO SAY THERE'S NO LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE AND IT DID IN FACT GET APPROVED.I'M NOT EXACTLY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WAS PRESENTED AS WE'RE DOING IT THE WAY WE SHOULD BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVEN'T AND IT'S CAUSED DAMAGE TO THE PROPERTIES OF SEVERAL RESIDENTS.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT TO PURSUE AN RFQ FOR STORMWATER DRAINAGE TO GET THAT GOING BECAUSE I THINK THE LONGER WE PUT IT OFF, THE MORE PRICE IS GOING TO GET FOR SOMETHING THAT WE VERY CLEARLY NEED.
>> IT DEPENDS. THERE WAS A FEW OPTIONS PRESENTED HERE.
IT WAS TO UPDATE THE HYDRAULIC DEAL, WHICH WAS 450,000 AND DO THE STORMWATER STUDY.
>> LET'S JUST DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
>> THE THING THAT I HAVE A QUESTION IS WHY I ASKED HOW MANY SUBDIVISIONS.
I GET IT COULD WE CAN HAVE 100 HOMES THAT'S IN THE SAME SUB SUBDIVISION.
BUT IF WE HAVE A DRAINAGE ISSUE IN PRINCETON, IS IT EVERY NEW SUBDIVISION THAT THAT'S FLOODED FLOODING OR IS IT JUST ONE OR TWO SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE FLOODING, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TARGET TO FIX THOSE ISSUES INSTEAD OF SPENDING DEPENDING 2.5 MILLION ON THIS?
>> WELL, WE HAVE TRINARY STATES.
I HAVE FIXING FROM TRYING TO BROWSE THROUGH HERE TO, WINCHESTER CROSSING.
WE HAVE MORE WINCHESTER CROSSING,1406 WELSH DRIVE.
SHE'S COME HERE OFTEN, KINGSBRIDGE EDITION.
WE HAVE DOWN TOWN, WHOSE WATER DEPENDS ON GOING THROUGH KINGSBRIDGE EDITION.
WE HAVE, IT STARTS WITH B, BROOK SOMETHING BROOKSIDE.
THEIR HOA ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO ME ABOUT THEIR ENTIRE COMMUNITY HAVING THESE PROBLEMS. IT'S NOT JUST 1 OR 2 IN EACH OF THESE.
IT IS MANY RESIDENTS IN THESE COMMUNITIES AND IF YOU PULL THEM UP ON A MAP, IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
THEY ARE ALONG ALL OF TIKI CREEK.
IT'S THE HOMES THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN THAT CLOSE TO TIKI CREEK IF WE HAD JUST LISTENED TO PARKS AND REC AND DIDN'T BUILD WHERE WE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BUILDING.
NOW WE HAVE ISSUES, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE WATER SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE MORE DEVELOPMENT, WE CAN GIVE THEM BETTER DIRECTION, AND WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE WATER IS GOING THE WAY THAT IT NEEDS TO, SO WE DO NOT HAVE FURTHER DAMAGE TO THE HOMES OF OUR RESIDENTS.
>> I CAN SAY THE MASTER DRAINAGE STUDY, THE ONE THAT WAS APPROVED DOES CALL OUT SOME DRAINAGE OVERTOPPING, SOME OF OUR STREETS, ONE OF THEM BEING COLLEGE, AND ONE OF THEM BEING THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
WE'RE ACTUALLY DESIGNING COLLEGE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE PLANNING ON TAKING CARE OF THAT DRAINAGE IN THE COLLEGE STREET, AS WELL AS WHEN WE DESIGN YORKSHIRE WILL ALSO TAKE CARE OF THAT DRAINAGE AS WELL.
THERE ARE SOME MINOR RECOMMENDATIONS IN THAT MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN TODAY THAT WE WILL INCORPORATE AS PART OF SOME ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION THAT SHOWS SOME OVERTOPPING IN THERE.
>> ONE RESIDENT IN TIMNARY STATES HAS THE AMOUNT OF DAMAGES ON THEIR PROPERTY IS MORE THAN 10% OF THE VALUE OF THEIR HOME.
THEY HAVE TO SELL, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A MAJOR HIT AND NO ONE IS GOING TO BUY THAT PROPERTY.
THEY CAN'T EVEN GET FLOOD INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN A FLOOD AREA, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE FLOODING AND SITTING ON TOP OF WATER THAT SHIFTS THEIR HOUSE, CONSTANTLY CRACKING IT.
THIS IS A PROBLEM. WE CAN'T JUST THROW BAND AID OVER IT AND UPDATE LITTLE BITS AND PIECES AND NOT LOOK AT THE GREATER PICTURE.
WE'RE GOING TO BE THE FASTEST GROWING CITY, THAT WE NEED TO DO IT RIGHT.
>> I THINK A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO WE BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNSEL SOME DRAINAGE ENGINEERS THAT WE HAVE ENGAGED AS PART OF THE RFP PROCESS SO WE DO HAVE THOSE ALREADY PRE APPROVED.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DOING A PROJECT WITH THOSE DRAINAGE GROUPS,
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IF THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL DESIRES TONIGHT WITH THAT GUIDANCE.>> I THINK IN RFQ FOR ACTUAL NUMBERS AND NOT NUMBERS THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU GOT YOUR NUMBER.
DID YOU CALL UP ENGINEERS? WERE YOU GETTING LIKE INFORMAL ASSESSMENTS? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN CALLING OTHER CITIES AND ASKING HOW MUCH THEY'VE SPENT AND THEIR NUMBERS AREN'T LIKE OURS.
EITHER OURS ARE SO BAD, OUR DRAIN STUDIES SO BAD THAT WE HAVE TO DO SO MUCH WORK THAT IT COSTS THIS MUCH MONEY OR THE NUMBERS MIGHT NOT BE THAT BAD AND WE GET THEM BACK FROM AN RFQ.
>> WHAT WERE THE NUMBERS, MS. TODD, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING? IN YOUR RESEARCH, WHAT PRICE RANGE DID YOU COME UP WITH?
>> LOOKING AT ABOUT HALF AS A LOWER POINT AND THEN GOING UP TO I HAVE TO LOOK IT UP.
GIVE ME A MOMENT. I CAN PULL UP MY EXACT INFORMATION FOR YOU.
>> AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHATEVER SCOPE THAT WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO COVER AS A GROUP, THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE ENGINEERS TO BASICALLY GIVE US A PRICE.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT CITY IT IS, WE LIKE SO WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS AS A COMMUNITY SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO BOIL DOWN TO IS THE COST OF THAT SERVICE WITHIN THE CITY OF PRINCETON.
>> THE HIGH END OF WHAT I FOUND IS ABOUT 500,000, WHICH IS STILL HIGH, BUT IT'S NOT AS HIGH AS, THE 2.5 THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND THAT'S FOR CITIES THAT ARE OF SIMILAR SIZE TO OURS.
AGAIN, I THINK AN OFFICIAL RFQ IS WHAT'S NECESSARY FOR US TO ACTUALLY MAKE A DECISION ON WHICH DIRECTION WE GO.
IF WE DO AN RFQ, LET'S JUST BE SMART ABOUT IT AND GET ONE FOR EACH OF THE OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AND AT THAT POINT, WE CAN JUST MAKE A REAL DECISION USING ACTUAL NUMBERS AND NOT A GUESSING GAME.
>> JUST CURIOUS, MS. TODD, WHAT CITIES HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO?
SOME OF THEM DO NOT WANT TO BE PUT OUT THERE AS PUBLIC RECORD SO THAT IS SOMETHING I CAN SHARE WITH MR. MASHBURN AND HE CAN SHARE OUT TO COUNSEL OUT OF RESPECT FOR THOSE CITIES AND THE INDIVIDUALS WHO SHARE THE INFORMATION WITH ME.
>> WELL, YOU OPENED UP THE DOOR SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE PUBLIC.
>> I'M SHARING THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE AND RESPECTING THE REQUESTS OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO SHARE THE INFORMATION AND I CAN HAVE IT SHARED TO COUNSEL.
NOW I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO THEM AND SEE IF THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH ME PUBLICLY STATING WHO THEY ARE.
BUT AGAIN, I REALLY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE GOING OUT AND GETTING THE NUMBERS AND LOOKING INTO THESE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE ALREADY HAPPENING, AND WE WEREN'T GETTING WE WERE GETTING ESTIMATIONS.
>> JUST UPON A CLARIFICATION, OR ARE NOT GUESSTIMATIONS, THEY ARE COMING FROM SPEAKING WITH CONSULTANTS DIRECTLY.
>> WHY DIDN'T WE JUST GET AN RFQ IF WE'RE ALREADY TALKING TO THEM?
>> FOR THE INTEREST OF HOW MUCH IS GOING TO BE.
WE WERE ALREADY GOING OUT FOR RFQ FOR ON CALL ENGINEERING SERVICES.
THOSE NUMBERS WERE HAD IN DISCUSSIONS WITH MULTIPLE CONSULTANTS, SOME PERSONAL CONTACTS, SOME PROFESSIONAL, AND THOSE NUMBERS WERE GIVEN TO ME DIRECTLY AS WHAT WOULD BE THE ASSOCIATED COSTS.
KNOWING WHAT THE COST WAS GOING TO BE AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT FOR RFQ AND GET COUNSEL APPROVAL, BIDS BACK, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ENGINEERS PRE QUALIFIED TO ISSUE RFP2 SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE WAITING UNTIL NOW TO DISCUSS THIS.
>> I WOULD JUST THINK THAT IF A PERSON HAS THE INFORMATION THAT CAME FROM ANOTHER CITY OR WHEREVER, IN INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, THAT INFORMATION SHOULD BE DIVULGED, IF YOU'RE BRINGING IT UP PUBLICLY THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN ALL THIS INFORMATION FROM CERTAIN CITY, THAT YOU SHOULD GIVE THAT INFORMATION OUT.
NOW, IF IT'S ONE OF THESE DEALS THAT YOU CALL SOMEONE AND SAY, HEY, ON THE SLIDE, COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT THIS INFORMATION IS OR CAN YOU HELP ME OUT HERE BECAUSE I'M NOT DOING AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST OR ANYTHING, BUT I THINK ANSWERS TRANSPARENCY IF YOU BROUGHT IT UP THAT IT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN.
>>MS. TODD HAS BEEN DOING THIS RESEARCH SINCE HER CAMPAIGN.
I'VE MET WITH MS. TODD IN HER CAMPAIGN AND SAW THE RESEARCH.
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I CHALLENGE ANYBODY ON THIS DICE TO LET ME KNOW IF THEY'VE DONE THE AMOUNT OF RESEARCH THAT COUNCIL OR MS. TODD HAS DONE.TO QUESTION HER INTEGRITY IN TERMS OF IF THE INFORMATION SHE'S PROVIDED IS TRUE OR NOT, BECAUSE SHE WON'T LIST THE CITY.
BE COMFORTABLE IN YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND DO THAT.
BUT I BELIEVE IT HAS NO BEARING ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY, ON THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO FOR THIS CITY.
>> WELL, I HAVE TO SAY IT PROBABLY DOES HAVE SOME BEARING NOTE BECAUSE IF SHE'S MENTIONED TO CERTAIN CITIES ABOUT THEIR MASTER PLAN AND WHAT IT COSTS FOR THEM, THEY MAY NOT BE IN THE SAME SITUATION AS WE ARE AS FAR AS WATER FLOW AND HYDRAULICS.
I'M JUST CURIOUS AND I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW AND I THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO KNOW TOO.
>> ONE THAT I CAN TELL YOU THAT I JUST GOT PERMISSION.
IT'S $750,000 WAS IN SALINA AND YOUR COMMENT ON THE WATER MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.
YOU'RE RIGHT. OURS IS REALLY BAD SO OURS IS PROBABLY GOING TO COST A BIT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW BAD IT'S GOTTEN.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
IF WE'RE TRYING TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES OR APPLES TO ORANGES, THE COST MAY BE A LOT MORE DIFFERENT HERE THAN IT IS, SOME OTHER CITY BECAUSE OF OUR HYDRAULICS, BUT THE WAY IT IS.
SALINA DOES NOT HAVE A LAKE CLOSE TO IT.
>> BUT WE DO WE HAVE LAVON, WE HAVE TIKI CREEK, WE HAVE AT FOUR.
WE HAVE A LOT OF STREAMS THAT GO DOWNHILL TOWARD THE LAKE.
>> YOU PROVING MY POINT AS TO WHY WE NEED THE STUDY.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT YOU'RE SAYING, WHAT IT COSTS A LOT LESS.
IT MAY NOT COST LESS FOR US BECAUSE OF WHAT OURS IS.
YOU'RE INDICATING THAT WE MAY NOT BE GETTING A BETTER DEAL.
>> I THINK THE PUBLIC IS [OVERLAPPING] AN EXAMPLE AS TO WHY WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT IN PRINCETON IS BECAUSE OF THIS TYPE OF MINDSET THAT HAS BEEN ON ITS DIES FOR THAT AMOUNT OF TIME.
IT IS THE AMOUNT OF EXCUSES THAT COMES WITH EVERY ISSUE THAT IS PRESENTED TO THIS COUNCIL, AND IT SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED GOING FURTHER.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WELL, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T NEED IT.
I'M JUST WANTING TO COMPARE IT THAT, ARE WE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, LIKE MR. LONG SAYS, WE NEED TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR MONEY AND MAKE SURE THE WATER WE'RE GOING TO GET IS GOING TO BE GOOD FOR US, AND IT COMES OUT OF THE RIGHT FUNDS.
IF WE'VE GOT THE FUNDS TO DO IT, FINE.
LET'S DO IT. BUT WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I CAN TELL YOU SOME OF YOU-ALL HAVE NOT EVEN LIVED HERE LONG ENOUGH IN COLLIN COUNTY OR EVEN IN THIS CITY AS LONG AS I HAVE, AND I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN THE FLOODING.
I'VE WORKED IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, I'VE WORKED AS A COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL, I'VE WORKED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
MEMBER OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I'VE RESPONDED TO FLOODS IN THIS AREA AND SOME OF THE HOMES.
I CAN TELL YOU EVEN MY HOUSE, AND MY HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1972 OR '77, AND I'VE EVEN HAD FLOOD OR WATER ACTUALLY COME TO MY DOOR.
I'M NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING IN A FLOODPLAIN.
EVEN THE OLDER PARTS OF PRINCETON HAVE THAT ISSUE JUST BECAUSE THE WAY YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP AND WATER TAKES THE LEAST PATH OF RESISTANCE AND HOW IT FLOWS AND SURE ENOUGH WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME AREAS THAT NEED SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES.
SOME STORM-WATER DRAINS, WHAT'S GOING TO HELP US IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE STORM-WATER DRAINS EVERYWHERE.
ON MY STREET, WE DON'T HAVE STORM-WATER DRAINS.
THERE'S LOTS OF PLACES IN PRINCETON THAT DON'T.
NEW DEVELOPMENTS, IF YOU'RE HAVING STORM-WATER DRAINAGE ARE BUILT PROPERLY ON THE STREETS AND IN FACT, IN THE ALLEYWAYS, IF YOU HAVE ALLEYWAYS.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE SO MANY HOUSES NOW THAT BACK UP AGAINST EACH OTHER.
BUT YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME STORM-WATER DRAINAGE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE THE WATER OUT AND DRAINAGE WATER NEEDS TO LIKE INTO TICKEY CREEK BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO EVENTUALLY, TICKEY CREEK TO MAKE ITS WAY TO LAVON.
>> I'VE LOST COUNT OF HOW MANY DEVELOPMENTS THAT I IDENTIFIED AND BROUGHT FORTH TO COUNSEL WHEN THEY WERE COMING FOR FINAL PLATE THAT DIDN'T HAVE THEIR DRAINAGE STUFF DONE CORRECTLY WITH RETAINING WALLS AND SUCH.
THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AREN'T EXACTLY ALWAYS DOING IT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
ALSO, YOU HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE.
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YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH ABBOTT VERSUS THE CITY OF PRINCETON, TEXAS.IT'S ACTUALLY A COURT CASE THAT IS USED IN LAW SCHOOL TO THIS DAY ABOUT THE CITY OF PRINCETON APPROVING SOME DRAINAGE STUFF THAT ENDED UP FLOODING A PROPERTY AND ENDED UP GETTING SETTLED.
WE ARE ALREADY KNOWN FOR APPROVING THINGS WITH DRAINAGE AND THERE BEING ISSUES.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO NOT CONTINUE THAT REPUTATION.
>> FOR THE SECOND TIME, CAN WE GET AN RQ GOING JUST TO GET ACTUAL PRICING? I THINK THAT THAT WILL PROBABLY BE THE BEST NIGHT GOING BY AN ESTIMATE AND JUST SEE AT THAT POINT IN TIME IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT AND FOR EACH OPTION THAT WE HAVE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY THAN TRYING TO DETERMINE WHOSE PRICES ARE RIGHT.
LET'S GET SOME HARD NUMBERS AND GO FROM THERE.
WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE ENGINEERING GROUP, WE'LL GO BACK TO THEM, COME UP WITH SOME DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF HOW TO APPROACH THE PLAN AND PRESENT THOSE TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SEE WHICH ONE YOU-ALL WANT TO SETTLE WITH.
>> I GUESS WHEN THIS COME BACK TO CHRISTINA IF YOU CAN HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THREE THEN COLLEGE STREET AND DOWNTOWN, BUT IF YOU CAN BRING BACK ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY HAVING MAJOR FLOODING ISSUES, JUST SO WE CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL?
>> YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO BRING THAT.
I KNOW A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN EMAILING THE CITY FOR YEARS AND SUCH.
MANY OF THEM FORWARDED ME THEIR EMAILS FROM YEARS AGO.
I KNOW THE CITY HAS SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, BUT I'LL COMPILE IT IN ONE LOCATION FOR EVERYONE.
>> WITH THAT, ONE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT THAT INFORMATION IS, CAN WE MAKE SURE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT ARE HAVING ISSUES VERSUS PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY HAVE PROPERTY LINES WITH THE FLOODPLAIN? BECAUSE I KNOW OF A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE RESIDENTIAL LOT DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FLOODPLAIN.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DIFFERENTIATING THOSE TWO DIFFERENT PROBLEMS BECAUSE MY HOUSE LOT HAS ISSUES DRAINING.
IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT PROBLEM THAN THE CREEK BED FLOODING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT UPSTREAM.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING THOSE TWO PROBLEMS SEPARATED, AND WE'RE NOT COMBINING NUMBERS TOGETHER TO MAKE A BIGGER NUMBER.
>> YEAH, WE WILL DEFINITELY MAKE SURE IN THE SCOPE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS IS FOR PUBLIC WATERWAYS AND PUBLIC ISSUE, OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEND PUBLIC DOLLARS ON PRIVATE PROBLEMS. WE CAN'T DO THAT, BUT WE CAN DRAFT THE RFP IN A WAY, IN A FASHION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURE THAT DIRECTION.
>> I THINK THAT WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THIS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, FRED AND TOMMY.
WE CAN GO TO C1, UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON THE CURRENT DIRECTION OF THE MULTI GENERATION FACILITY.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR, COUNSEL, CHASE BRYANT, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS UPDATE.
BUT BEFORE I BRING GENSLER UP TO TAKE OFF, I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
IN THE STRATEGIC RETREAT OF '24, ONE OF THE COUNCIL'S GOALS WAS ENSURING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ALONG WITH DESIGNS STANDARDS, NOT ONLY FOR TODAY, BUT FOR THE FUTURE.
IN OCTOBER OF '24 OF THAT YEAR, THE COUNSEL GAVE THAT DIRECTION AND STAFF LISTEN, INTERVIEWING MULTIPLE ARCHITECT TEAMS FOR THE MULTI-GENERATIONAL FACILITY.
UPON THAT INTERVIEW, ONE TEAM STOOD ABOVE THEM ALL, GENSLER.
IN DECEMBER, THE CONTRACT WAS EXECUTED FOR THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING FOR THE MULTI-GENERATIONAL FACILITY.
AT THIS TIME, I WANT TO BRING UP JUSTIN BASHA.
HE'S THE PRINCIPAL AND SENIOR DIRECTOR AND KEITH KELLY AS THIS PRESENTATION [OVERLAPPING]
>> ACTUALLY BEFORE YOU DO THAT, AT THAT SAME DECEMBER 2024 MEETING, YOU HAD STATED THAT WE'LL NOTICE THAT IT'S FULLY LOADED.
THEY HAVE THE STRUCTURAL, HAS LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND OUR CIVIL ENGINEERING SERVICES ALL TIED TOGETHER.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEED SUBCONTRACTORS.
YET ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE HIRED ANOTHER FIRM TO DO THE SAME THING THAT THEY'RE DOING AND WE'VE PAID THEM.
WHERE IS EPT TONIGHT BECAUSE WE'VE GIVEN THEM $45,000 TO ALSO DO THE SAME JOB?
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>> DID YOU SAY EPT? EPT IS OUR CONSTRUCTION CONSULTANT FOR THE CITY OF PRINCETON, FOR ALL PART PROJECTS.
THAT'S THE OVERSIGHT FOR EACH DESIGN THROUGH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT CONSTRUCTION CDS, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
THAT'S A THIRD PARTY NOT FOR THE STRUCTURAL CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ASSOCIATED TO THE PROJECT ITSELF.
THEY'RE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT TEAM THAT THE CITY OF PRINCETON HAS FOR ALL PROJECTS, NOT JUST ONE.
>> IT WAS MARKED AS ENGINEERING, BUT THAT WORKS.
>> WHEN YOU SAY ENGINEERING, THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS THAT CAN FALL UNDER THE ENGINEERING CATEGORY.
IN OUR DOCUMENTS, THEY ARE BROKEN DOWN INTO WHAT THEY ARE, BUT ENGINEERING FALLS INTO THE SOIL TESTING.
THE ENGINEERING ITSELF OR THE STRUCTURAL, THE GEOTECH REPORTS, ALL OF THAT FALLS UNDER THAT ENGINEERING CATEGORY.
>> WHO'S CMJ ENGINEERING AND TESTING?
>> LET'S GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE OF THAT HOW THAT RELATES TO ANY OF THIS. PLEASE.
>> TO ANSWER THAT REAL QUICK. CMJ IS OUR SOIL TESTING.
THAT'S THE GEOLOGICAL REPORTS.
AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO BRING UP GENSLER, AND I'LL TURN THE MIC OVER.
>> WELL, THANK YOU-ALL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU.
WE HAVE A LOT OF EXCITING STUFF TO SHOW YOU TODAY.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING SINCE JANUARY WITH THE CITY OF PRINCETON TO DEVELOP SOME REALLY GREAT IDEAS.
INDIVIDUAL NEXT TO ME IS KEITH KELLY.
WE RUN A TEAM OF INDIVIDUALS WHO FOCUS ON PRIVATE SECTOR AND MUNICIPAL WORK, BUT SPECIFICALLY ON THE KINDS OF SPACES THAT KEEP PEOPLE COMING BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN AND WANT TO BRING THEIR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS.
WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD STUFF TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU.
AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS SINCE JANUARY.
WE KNEW THAT THIS WAS NOT GOING TO BE A TRADITIONAL REC CENTER BASED ON A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WITH PARKS.
WE HAVE OUR REC CENTER SPECIALIST HERE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A TEAM INCLUDING FOLKS WHO FOCUS ON DIGITAL IMMERSIVE EXPERIENCES SO THEY CAN BRING THE LATEST AND GREATEST TECHNOLOGIES AND TOOLS TO US TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MARKET.
WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS FROM OUR SPORTS PRACTICE AREA WHO FOCUS ON D1 AND PROFESSIONAL SPORTS TO BRING IN IDEAS AROUND WHAT IS THE LATEST AND GREATEST IN A PERFORMANCE FACILITY THAT MIGHT BENEFIT A REC CENTER IN PRINCETON.
WE HAVE A GROUP OF ACTUALLY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE'VE HIRED SOME DISNEY IMAGINEERS TO COME OVER AND SUPPORT OUR TEAM AND HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE LATEST AND GREATEST FROM AN ENTERTAINMENT PERSPECTIVE.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS, MANY OF THOSE IN THIS ROOM THROUGH VISIONING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE GRAND VISION FOR THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE.
WE SPENT MANY MONTHS BENCH-MARKING WHAT THE COMPETITION IS DOING, WHAT OTHER MARKETS ARE DOING, NOT ONLY IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, BUT ALSO IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
THEN OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, WE REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN CONCEPT AND DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, TAKING THIS LUMPY PIECE OF CLAY AND MOLDING IT ALONGSIDE PARKS TO DEVELOP SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL.
I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FRUIT OF WHAT WE'VE GOT TO SHOW YOU TODAY.
THEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH A CONTRACTOR, HELEN WILKINSON, TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF OUR DESIGN ON THE BUDGET.
IT BECAME VERY CLEAR IN A LOT OF THAT VISIONING THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS UNDERGOING A LOT OF CHANGE, AND SO WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY AS IN THE BRINK OF THE NEWLY POSSIBLE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR A REC CENTER? WELL, WE KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMMUNITY BUILDING.
WE KNOW WELLNESS IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THAT.
WE'VE STARTED TO STITCH TOGETHER A STORY THAT TAKES PLAY AND PERFORMANCE AND STITCHES THOSE TOGETHER TO CREATE A VERY UNIQUE INNOVATIVE REC EXPERIENCE. KEITH.
>> WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS QUICK.
IT'S NOT TO GLAZE OVER ANYTHING, BUT IT'S REALLY TO GET THROUGH A LOT OF THE CONTENT.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU IS WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A VIDEO WE PUT TOGETHER, AND THEN FOLLOW IT UP WITH SLIDES THAT TALK INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT EACH SPACE.
AS CHASE MENTIONED, THE STRATEGIC THAT INFORMATION WILL SHARE WITH US ABOUT NOT THE DESIRE TO BE ON THE BLEEDING EDGE.
>> NOT ON THE BLEEDING EDGE, BUT ON THE CUTTING EDGE.
>> THERE IT IS. WE WANT TO PROVIDE INNOVATION, BUT WE WANT TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT FITS THE COMMUNITY AND THE USERS ITSELF.
THROUGH THAT, WE SET UP GUIDEPOST FOR US TO FOLLOW AS WE DESIGN.
WHAT MAKES THIS ONE OF A KIND WITHOUT GOING OUTSIDE THE BOX? LET'S WOW YOU, BUT LET'S ALSO WELCOME PEOPLE IN.
WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF EVERYONE THAT'S GOING TO USE THIS FROM THE KIDS THAT ARE DROPPED OFF WHILE THE PERSON IS WORKING OUT.
THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE COMING HERE FOR SOCIAL ENGAGEMENT, AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PLAY BASKETBALL, OTHER SPORTING EVENTS, BUT THEN ALSO BE A BEACON
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FOR A SENSE OF PRIDE FOR THE CITY OF PRINCETON.IN THAT, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 85,000 SQUARE FEET.
YOU CAN SEE ABOUT 25,000 IS DEDICATED TO AQUATICS, AND THEN 50% OF THAT IS DEDICATED TO PERFORMANCE.
WE CALL IT PERFORMANCE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A PLANET FITNESS, WE'RE NOT A 24 HOUR FITNESS.
WE'RE A PLACE WHERE CARDIO WEIGHTS MEETS TRX, MEETS A GYMNASIUM OF THE FUTURE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS AND WE WANT TO SEE HOW WE CAN IMPLEMENT THEM.
LOOKING, AS JUSTIN MENTIONED, IN THE BENCH-MARKING, WHERE DO WE FALL IN THE PRICE RANGE? WE'VE HIRED A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER EARLY ON, CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.
THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS TO EVALUATE COSTS AT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
WHAT WE DID AS A START IS LOOKED AT IN THE AREA, EVERYTHING FROM THE EPIC, AND HOW MUCH DO THINGS COST AND WHAT ARE THE PROGRAMS? WE FOUND THE SWEET SPOT TO BE ABOUT 94,000, WE'RE AT 85,000.
IF YOU BUILD MORE AREA, YOUR COST PER SQUARE FOOT IS GOING TO GO DOWN, SO WE'RE RIGHT IN THE RANGE OF WHERE WE WANT TO BE.
>> I THINK THE REASON FOR THAT IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PACKING THIS FULL OF VERY MEMORABLE EXPERIENCES.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE YOU THROUGH THE PLAN VERY QUICKLY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO ROOM BY ROOM.
THERE'S A LOT TO COVER HERE. EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN RED IS AQUATICS.
EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN PURPLE IS REALLY THAT DRY PERFORMANCE SPACE.
GREEN IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING COMMUNITY AND BLUE IS REALLY OUR CHILD CARE.
WHEN YOU ENTER THE BUILDING, I KNOW YOU CAN'T SEE ON THE SCREENS IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT YOU ENTER IN THAT GREEN AREA THAT SAYS LOBBY THERE.
TO THE LEFT IS YOUR RECEPTION DESK.
JUST BEHIND RECEPTION IS ADMIN.
WE WANT ADMIN TO BE CENTRALLY LOCATED WITH DIRECT ACCESS TO AQUATICS, LOCKERS, PERFORMANCE, AND CHILDCARE.
VERY IMPORTANT FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE.
I ENTER THIS SPACE, I CAN COME STRAIGHT THROUGH.
I CAN TAKE THE STAIR UP TO A COMMUNITY SPACE, WHICH WILL SHOW YOU HERE SHORTLY OR DROP MY KID OFF AT THE CHILDCARE IN BLUE.
JUST NORTH OF THAT, YOU CAN GO RIGHT TO THE WEIGHTS CARDIO TRX SPACE OR STRAIGHTFORWARD UP TO THAT LOCKER AREA SHOWN IN THAT LIGHT RED, OR I CAN BYPASS THE LOCKERS AND GO LEFT STRAIGHT TO AQUATICS.
YOU'VE REALLY GOT TWO CROWN JOULE SPACES HERE.
YOU'VE GOT THE GYMNASIUM AND THE AQUATICS, WHICH WE'LL DIVE INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE SHORTLY.
BUT IF I TAKE THAT STAIR UP AND I GO TO THE UPPER LEVEL, EVERYTHING YOU'VE SEE IN GRAY IS OPEN TO BELOW.
REALLY, THIS IS MORE OF A MEZZANINE SECOND FLOOR THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
WE'VE GOT THAT GREEN AREA TO THE SOUTH SHOWING THAT COMMUNITY SPACE.
IT'S GOT MEETING ROOMS, IT'S GOT PHONE ROOMS, IT'S GOT PLACES WHERE SOMEONE CAN BRING A LAPTOP AND WORK.
IT'S GOT PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND PLAY POOL OR GAMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE LOVE THE IDEA THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR ALL THAT COMMUNITY SPACE TO BE RENTED OUT FOR ALTERNATIVE REVENUE GENERATING OPPORTUNITIES.
YOU CAN SEE NORTH OF THAT WHERE WE'VE GOT THE REST OF THAT PURPLE PERFORMANCE SPACE AS IT COMES UP TO THE SECOND LEVEL.
WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE RUNNING TRACK.
WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT GROUP FITNESS AND THAT BLACK BOX IMMERSIVE THEATER THERE.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY COOL MOMENTS HERE THAT WE CAN TALK TO IN GREATER DETAIL.
THE LAST THING I'LL CALL OUT HERE IS THERE IS A ROOF TERRACE IN THAT LIGHT PURPLE COLOR ON THE FAR RIGHT OF THE PLAN.
THAT HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO FITNESS AND HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO COMMUNITY.
IT'S A FLEX SPACE THAT CAN BE HOST TO A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT USES.
WE WON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS, BUT THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN.
WE ARE HUGGING THE WESTERNMOST EDGE OF THE SITE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STAYING OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
THE BUILDING REALLY SITED ITSELF.
THERE'S A HIGH FLAT PART AT THE TOP OF THE PLAN THAT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT BUILDING IS SITED.
THE BUILDING BEGS TO BE THERE.
IT'S GOT GREAT VISIBILITY AT THE MYRICK LANE.
FROM ORGANIZATION AND SITE PERSPECTIVE, IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT TO FUTURE TRAIL SYSTEMS, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ALLUDED TO EVERYTHING TO THE EAST OF OUR SITE.
BUT A GREAT SITE, I THINK REALLY GREAT VIEWS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CAPITALIZE ON, EVERYTHING LOOKING EAST AND SOUTH, BUT A WONDERFUL SITE TO WORK WITH FOR SURE.
REAL QUICK. WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LITTLE TIME ON THIS VIDEO, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO WALK YOU SPACE BY SPACE.
I THINK THE THOUGHT HERE IS THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF EVERYTHING IN THE EXPERIENCE, AND THEN WE CAN DIVE IN A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
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[MUSIC]>> [MUSIC] AWESOME. I WANT TO GO THERE.
WE'RE GOING TO DIVE INTO THREE AREAS: PERFORMANCE PLAN, SOCIAL.
WE'VE BEEN TASKED WITH PROVIDING A LOT OF SPACES THAT PROVIDE MULTIPLE USES, AND THEN WRAPPING IT WITH THE ENVELOPE THAT GIVES MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE INTERIOR PROGRAM.
WITH A SIMPLE FORM, BUT AN INVITING WELCOME, YOU CAN ALSO SEE FROM THE AQUATIC, WE WANT TO DO A FEATURE THAT SAID, THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL HERE.
WE'VE TAKEN THAT SLIDE AND RAISED IT UP A LITTLE BIT, AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A BIG FEATURE WHEN YOU ARRIVE AT THE BUILDING. COMING INTO THE LOBBY.
IT'S A SECURE ZONE THAT CONNECTS TO THE COMMUNITY FLOOR ON THE SECOND.
THERE'S A GLASS WALL THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE SECURE.
THERE'S ALSO FROM THE RECEPTION HAS DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT TO WEIGHTS, TO THE ENTRY TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
THEN JUST ENGAGING THE TECHNOLOGY, WHETHER IT BE THE LED WALL PROJECTION MAPPING.
WE ARE TESTING A LOT OF OUR CONSULTANTS OF HOW MUCH THINGS COST, WHAT'S THE BEST APPLICATION FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS, AND THEN HAVING A MENU OF ITEMS THAT WILL FALL IN THE BUDGET?
>> I THINK ANOTHER THING IS PROBABLY WORTH MENTIONING HERE, TOO, IS WE'RE LEARNING A LOT FROM OUR HOSPITALITY PRACTICE AREA.
I THINK IF YOU CAN IMAGINE A REC CENTER YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN IN THE PAST, IT PROBABLY DIDN'T LOOK A WHOLE LOT LIKE THIS.
I THINK OUR GOAL HERE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE SET A DIFFERENT TONE.
I WANTED SOMETHING NEW, Y'ALL WANTED SOMETHING FRESH, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO GIVE YOU THAT.
WE'RE NOT ONLY LEARNING FROM THE REC WORK WE'RE DOING, BUT WE'RE LEARNING FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND THIS IS REALLY TAKEN ON A DIFFERENT TONE.
IT'S A LITTLE DARKER, A LITTLE MOODIER, A LITTLE MORE TEXTURED, BUT RICH AND A PLACE THAT'S GOING TO WANT TO BRING PEOPLE BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN.
>> THE AFOREMENTIONED CHILDCARE AREA.
IT DIDN'T WANT TO BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE EXPLORED GOING THROUGH THIS WAS ACTUALLY CUTTING A HOLE IN PART OF THE FLOOR AND EXTENDING THE CHILDCARE PLAY AREA UP INTO THE COMMUNITY AREA.
YOU'LL SEE IN ANOTHER IMAGE THAT THERE'S A CLIMBING STRUCTURE, WHETHER IT BE HAS A DIFFERENT APPLICATION FOR PLAY THAT'S MULTI-STORY AND SUCH A SMALL SQUARE FOOTAGE.
ONCE AGAIN, TAKING A SMALL SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT THEN GAINING SPACE BY GOING VERTICAL.
HERE'S ANOTHER SHOT OF THAT CHILDCARE.
THEN THIS IS ONCE YOU COME UP THE STAIRS? YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE BACK TO THE CHILDCARE. IT'S HIDDEN.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF COLOR, BUT AS JUSTIN MENTIONED, THE WARM, NATURAL NEUTRAL MATERIALS ARE THERE, SO IT ALL FITS TOGETHER.
THEN LOOKING BACK, THERE'S FOCUS ROOMS THAT CAN BE DEDICATED TO PODCAST ROOMS, REALLY LEANING INTO MULTI-GENERATIONAL MULTIPLE USES, WHETHER BE YOU JUST WANT TO GO AND TAKE A MEETING, BE IN AN OPEN AREA, BE IN A QUIET AREA, JUST HOW DO YOU GET AS MUCH IN A SMALL SPACE?
>> THAT TAKES US TO PERFORMANCE.
PERFORMANCE IS OBVIOUSLY DEDICATED TO HEALTH AND WELLNESS.
THE PERFORMANCE AREA IS REALLY DEFINED BY THESE TRACKS.
TRADITIONALLY, WHEN YOU SEE A REC CENTER TRACK, I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL SEEN THIS, BUT THEY USUALLY CIRCLE OF BASKETBALL COURT, AND YOU'VE GOT TO TURN THOSE REALLY TIGHT CORNERS AROUND THE CORNER, AND YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE BREAKING YOUR ANGLE AS YOU'RE MOVING AROUND IT.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE MADE A TRULY PERFORMANCE-DRIVEN TRACK.
THAT'S A 150-METER TRACK WITH WIDE RADIUSES.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE SEEING THAT TRACK GO OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, BUT THERE'S SOME REALLY COOL TECHNOLOGY INTEGRATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
WE'RE WORKING WITH A GROUP CALLED WAVELIGHT, THEY HAVE A PRODUCT THAT'S AMAZING, WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO AND TYPE IN YOUR TIME.
IF YOU'VE EVER PLAYED A VIDEO GAME OR MARIO KART, YOU KNOW HOW IT'S LIKE TO CHASE YOUR GHOST IN SOME OF THOSE TIME TRIALS; THIS IS THE SAME PHILOSOPHY.
WE'RE TRACING OUR COLORED LIGHTER ON THE TRACK, OR YOU COULD GO RACE USAIN BOLT AND TYPE IN HIS TIME, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT FUN WAYS WE CAN ACTIVATE THIS.
STUDENTS FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CAN COME HERE, ON A RAINY DAY, THEY CAN RUN THIS TRACK OR NOT AND STILL HAVE THAT PERFORMANCE ASPECT INTEGRATED.
THE IMAGE YOU SEE HERE ON THE LEFT IS ACCESS TO THE BLACK BOX THEATER JUST BEHIND US AS THE COMMUNITY SPACE.
IN THE FOREGROUND'S A WAITING AREA FOR YOUR GROUP FITNESS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT SCREEN IN THE BACK WHERE THAT WOMAN IS STANDING, THAT WOULD BE WHERE YOU PUNCH IN YOUR TIME AND GET READY FOR YOUR RUN,
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AND THERE'S A FEW OTHER TOUCH POINTS AROUND THAT FLOOR FOR THAT.WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A VIEW OF THAT SPEED TRACK.
OFF IN THE BACK YOU SEE A DIGITAL DISPLAY THAT CAN DISPLAY YOUR TIME AS YOU RUN THROUGH THAT TRAP.
YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT 150-METER TRACK, AND OFTEN THE DISTANCE, YOU SEE THAT TRACK AS IT DIPS OUT BEHIND THE BUILDING.
THEN, TO OUR RIGHT, WE HAVE THAT ROOF TERRACE EXPERIENCE.
REALLY STATE OF THE ART, PERFORMANCE-FIRST, PERFORMANCE-FOCUSED EXPERIENCE THAT WE'VE GOT UP HERE.
THEN, THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY, AS YOU GO OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, WE'RE USING A GLASS CALLED DICHROIC GLASS BUT IT'S REALLY A CHANCE FOR YOU TO LEAVE THE BUILDING, GET A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE, VIEW THIS INCREDIBLE VIEW YOU HAVE OUT TOWARDS THE EAST AND TO THE NORTH.
AGAIN, ONE OF A KIND EXPERIENCE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THIS ANYWHERE ELSE.
THEN YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE GYMNASIUM.
YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE FITNESS SPACE.
THERE EVEN IS A PEEKABOO OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE POOL.
YOUR RUN TRACK EXPERIENCE IS REALLY UNMATCHED.
LOOKING DOWN ON THE FITNESS AREA, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 9,000 SQUARE FOOT OF FITNESS.
THAT'S OVER 10% DEDICATED TO FITNESS AREA.
IT'S AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN GOING TO A GYM AND REALIZING YOU DON'T HAVE THE EQUIPMENT YOU NEED TO REALLY GET YOUR FULL EXERCISE IN.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM HERE.
AS I FLIP THROUGH HERE, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE COLOR-CHANGING LED INTEGRATION HERE TO CREATE A UNIQUE CUSTOM EXPERIENCE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT TRACK RUN OVERHEAD, REALLY ONE OF A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE.
THAT LOWER FITNESS AREA IS WHERE WE HAVE CARDIO.
ALL THAT CARDIO LOOKS OVER TO THE PART TO THE EAST, THEN IN THE BACK THERE BEYOND, WE'VE GOT TRX.
FOR ANY OF THE TIRE FLIPPERS LISTENING IN HERE, THIS IS WHERE SHE WOULD DO ALL THAT.
BUT A REALLY UNIQUE EXPERIENCE.
NOT A LOT OF REC CENTERS ARE DEVOTING SPACE TO TRX AND HIGH-INTENSITY WORKOUTS, THIS FACILITY WILL.
ON THE RIGHT HERE, YOU SEE A PERFORMANCE RAMP.
AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM THE SPORTS INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ON OUR TEAM, WHO ARE FOCUSED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE D1 REALM.
THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY RUN UP A RAMP GET CARDIO.
THAT RAMP EXTENDS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE.
WE'RE SEEING THESE INSTALLED ON EVEN PROFESSIONAL LEVEL NOW AS WELL. VIEW ON THE EAST SIDE.
THAT RUN RAMP THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT COMES UP HERE, IT SHAPES THE ARCHITECTURE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT ELEMENT IN THE BACK, IS WHERE OUR RUNNING TRACK PUNCHES OUT OF THE NORTH END OF THE BUILDING.
THEN WE'VE GOT OUR ROOF TERRACE THERE THAT OVERLOOKS THE EAST SIDE.
WE LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING THAT ROOF TERRACE THERE.
YOU CAN PAINT THE FACADE WITH PEOPLE, ACTIVATE THAT, HAVE YOGA CLASSES IN THE MORNING, HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS OUT THERE IN THE EVENING, AND HAVE STUDENTS AND CHILDREN OUT THERE IN THE DAYTIME.
THEN A VIEW FROM THAT TERRACE.
IT'S A TURF TERRACE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S FLEXIBLE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY DO HIGH-INTENSITY WORKOUTS AND YOGA OUT HERE AND STILL FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING IT.
THIS CAN BE PROGRAMMED FOR A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE SHOWING IT IN YOGA MODE.
>> NOW WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE GYMNASIUM.
THE IDEA BEHIND THE GYMNASIUM, WE STARTED AT THREE, THEN WE CAME DOWN TO TWO, BUT THE REAL CHALLENGE WAS, HOW DO YOU PROVIDE MORE WITH LESS? ONE OF THE PRODUCTS WE CAME ACROSS ASP GLASS FLOORS, IT'S BEEN TESTED THROUGH THE MBA FOR TWO YEARS FOR FUNCTIONALITY, PLAYER, GRIP.
I'M SORRY. ASP GLASS FLOOR IT'S A DIGITAL FLOOR.
THE IDEA IS TO GET MORE FUNCTION OUT OF A SMALLER SPACE.
I'M GOING TO FLIP THROUGH THIS AND PLAY THIS WHILE I TALK ABOUT THIS.
THIS APPLICATION, THIS VIDEO, SHOWS A LOT OF BASKETBALL BUT I THINK WHAT WE FOUND IN OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS COURT, IS IT'S MORE THAN THAT.
WITH AN IPAD, YOU CAN CHANGE THE FLOOR TO TRX CROSS-TRAINING FLOOR, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT.
IF YOU'VE GOT A BIG HIGH SCHOOL, YOU WANT TO COME IN AND YOU WANT TO EXPAND THAT FOOTPRINT, GO TO THE GYM.
IF YOU WANT PICKLEBALL, TAKE YOUR IPAD, CLICK A SWITCH, YOU'VE GOT PICKLEBALL COURTS.
EVEN BETTER, YOU'VE GOT BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.
YOU WANT TO MAKE THE ENTIRE GYM FLOOR A CANDY LAND GAME? YOU CAN DO THAT TOUCH OF A BUTTON.
YOU WANT TO MAKE IT EDUCATIONAL FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
YOU CAN TURN THE WHOLE THING INTO AN ALPHABET WITH LETTERS AND LEARNING, AND REALLY IMMERSIVE, ACTIVE LEARNING.
WE'RE EVALUATING THE COST OF BUDGET, IT'S AN AWESOME FLOOR.
BUT THE IDEA THAT IT'S GOING TO, NOT PUT PRINCETON ON THE MAP, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE AN INVESTMENT INTO THE CITY AND THE PEOPLE, AND THERE'S A RETURN ON INVESTMENT HERE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE EVALUATING. WE LOVE IT.
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IT'S EXCITING, IT'S NEW, IT'S FUN, AND IT HITS ALL GENERATIONS.HERE'S ANOTHER SHOT OF THAT FLOOR.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE FULL COURT.
IT ACTUALLY CAN BE TWO MIDDLE SCHOOL COURTS, TURN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
THEN IT CAN BE QUARTERED OFF FOR RENTALS AND TO FOUR QUADRANTS.
WITHIN ONE GYMNASIUM, IT'S NOT JUST YOU GO THERE AND YOU'RE PLAYING BASKETBALL.
GOING UPSTAIRS TO THE GROUP FITNESS.
AGAIN, WHAT JUSTIN SAID ABOUT THE HOSPITALITY, FEEL, NATURAL WOODS, DARK MATERIALS, OPEN LIGHT, JUST A WELL INVITING AREA.
THEN THE BLACK BOX FITNESS, USING PROJECTION MAPPING TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE CYCLING.
IT COULD BE A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM, THE BIKES CAN BE STORED AND AMPLE STORAGE ADJACENT, AND IT COULD BECOME A MOVIE THEATER, IT COULD BECOME WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO BE THROUGH JUST SIMPLE PROJECTION MAPPING.
>> AWESOME. I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF WE SAW WITH THE PROJECTION MAPPING, AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST ALWAYS PERFORMANCE RELATED, BUT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO BRING STUDENTS IN AND HAVE THEM WALK THE STREETS OF ROME, THERE'S ALL 360 VIDEO OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT.
PLAY, REALLY, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT NATATORIUM AND AQUATICS HERE.
THIS IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT SPACE.
IT'S THE OTHER JEWEL OF THE RECREATION CENTER HERE.
WHAT YOU HAVE HERE ON THE RIGHT, IN THAT BIG GREEN RECTANGLE, IS OUR LOCKER AREA.
THOSE THREE LITTLE GREEN SQUARES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE THOSE ARE OUR PARTY ROOMS ASSOCIATED WITH AQUATICS.
BUT THE WAY WE ORGANIZE FROM A DESIGN LAYOUT PERSPECTIVE IS EVERYTHING NORTH OF THAT RED LINE, THAT RED DASHED LINE IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING OUR RELAXATION AREA, AND EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THAT IS PLAY.
EVERYTHING NORTH OF THAT IS A LITTLE QUIETER, A LITTLE BIT MORE RESERVED, AND EVERYTHING SOUTH OF THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE HIGH-ENERGY.
NORTH OF THAT, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE KIDS AND ADULTS ON EVERY CORNER OF THIS THING, BUT TO THE NORTH, YOU MIGHT SAY IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT MORE MATURE, A LITTLE BIT MORE ADULT.
WE WANT TO MAKE THIS FEEL LIKE A PLACE FOR RELAXATION, A PLACE THAT'S BEEN SEPARATED A LITTLE BIT PHYSICALLY FROM THE ACTION THAT'S HAPPENED TO THE SOUTH.
WE DO HAVE A 25-YARD FLAT POOL.
WE DO HAVE A LEISURE POOL THAT'S GOT ZERO DEPTH ENTRY, AND THEN AMPLE ROOM FOR LOUNGE SEATING.
TO THE NORTH, YOU'LL SEE WHAT WE'RE CALLING OUR RESTORATION AREA.
YOU SEE A COLD PLUNGE IN A HOT TUB JUST OFF-SCREEN THERE ON THE TOP RIGHT, WE HAVE A SAUNA, AND THEN TWO RENTABLE CABANA AREAS FOR WHOEVER WANTS TO USE THEM.
SOUTH OF THAT, WE'VE GOT WHAT WE'VE CALLED DREAM ISLAND.
DREAM ISLAND IS DEFINED BY A LAZY RIVER, IT'S A LONG LAZY RIVER, 200 FOOT LONG, ACTUALLY.
THIS IS ATYPICAL FOR AN AQUATICS FACILITY LIKE THIS, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
YOU'VE GOT TWO SPLASH POOLS, ONE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THE TINY TOTS, AND THEN MAYBE ONE IN THE MIDDLE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ORIENTED FOR TEENS AND YOUNGER.
BUT DREAM ISLAND IS GOING TO BE AN INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE.
WE HAVE SOME PLACEHOLDERS IN HERE FOR CONCEPTS WE'RE CONTINUING TO DEVELOP BUT ON DREAM ISLAND, WE HAVE THE DREAM MACHINE, AND DREAM MACHINE IS THE MACHINE THAT'S CAUSING ALL THE ENERGY AND ACTION TO SPILL INTO THE SPACE.
BEFORE WE GET IN THERE, THOUGH, WE'VE GOT ACCESS TO LOCKER SPACE.
OUR GOAL FOR LOCKERS WAS TO CREATE AN EXCEPTIONAL EXPERIENCE THAT FELT LUXURY, BUT FOR NOT LUXURY DOLLARS.
WE'RE PLAYING A LOT OF TRICKS WITH BRANDING, WE'RE PLAYING A LOT OF TRICKS WITH LIGHTING, BLACK PAINT GOES A LONG WAY.
INSIDE THE SPACE, WE'VE GOT A REALLY GREAT MOODY EXPERIENCE, SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT FIND AT EQUINOX, NOT YOUR TRADITIONAL REC CENTER GYM.
BEAUTIFUL EXPERIENCE, LUXURY, BUT NOT FOR THE HIGH DOLLAR COST.
WORKING OUR WAY INTO THE SPACE, WE'RE IN OUR AQUATIC AREA, SO THIS IS RECOVERY.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD THOSE TWO CABANAS IN THE SCENE, THOSE ARE ON THE LEFT, A COLD PLUNGE, YOUR HOT TUB, AND THEN SAUNA OFF TO THE RIGHT.
IN THE FOREGROUND WE'VE GOT OUR LEISURE POOL, AND OFF TO THE LEFT, WE'VE GOT THAT 25-YARD FLAT POOL.
AGAIN, ANOTHER SHOT OF THAT LOOKING WEST.
THEN YOU CAN SEE OFF TO THE LEFT, THE ACTION FROM DREAM LSLAND IS STARTING TO SPILL ITS WAY IN WITH THESE GLOWING ORBS OR THESE SPHERES THAT ARE COMING INTO THE SPACE.
AS YOU LOOK OUT OF THE MOUTH OF THE CAVE FOR THE RELAXATION AREA, YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER THERE AT DREAM ISLAND.
THAT LARGE SPHERE THAT'S GROUNDED THERE ON THE GROUND PLAN, THAT'S OUR DREAM MACHINE, A PLACEHOLDER FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN ALL AROUND THERE YOU START TO SEE THESE GLOWING ORBS THAT ARE CREATING REALLY THIS DREAM-LIKE EXPERIENCE, THIS OTHERWORLDLY EXPERIENCE.
IF I GO TO THE KID ZONE ALL THE WAY AT THE BOTTOM, JUST IN THE FOREGROUND HERE IS OUR SPLASH POOL FOR OUR TINY TOTS.
BUT YOU CAN START TO SEE HOW THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT IMMERSIVE EXPERIENCE, ONE WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE IN A REC ENVIRONMENT.
THIS VIDEO IS GOING TO TAKE YOU OVER THE LAP POOL,
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OVER THAT LEISURE POOL, AND TAKE YOU OVER IN A DREAM ISLAND.YOU SEE A SERIES OF STEPS THAT GETS YOU TO DREAM ISLAND, WE'VE GOT TWO SETS OF STEPS.
YOU SEE OUR DREAM MACHINE THERE, OFF ON THE LEFT.
BEHIND THE DREAM MACHINE, YOU CAN SEE PROJECTION, OUR DOUBLE LIGHTS WORK ON THAT BACK WALL TO MAKE IT LOOK AS IF THERE'S A WATERFALL IN THE BACKGROUND.
THEN YOU CAN START TO SEE HOW THESE SPLASH POOLS AND THAT LAZY RIVER START TO WORK ITS WAY AROUND DREAM ISLAND.
NOW, THIS IS A PLACEHOLDER CONCEPT; WE HAVE A LOT TO DEVELOP HERE, BUT IT WAS AN IDEA AND A VISION THAT I THINK EVERYBODY GOT REALLY EXCITED ABOUT.
YOU CAN START TO SEE ON THE GROUND PLAN ON DREAM ISLAND HOW WE HAVE PROJECTION ON THE FLOOR.
THAT PROJECTION IS INTERACTIVE, SO KIDS CAN JUMP ON A FISH OR POP A BUBBLE.
THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY INTEGRATION THAT WE CAN DO HERE THAT INTEGRATES SOUND, INTEGRATES LIGHTS, INTEGRATES FOG.
THIS WILL BE A REALLY ACTIVE, REALLY VIBRANT EXPERIENCE, SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD FIND MAYBE IN DISNEY, BUT YOU WOULDN'T TRADITIONALLY FIND IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS.
THERE'S A SHOT OF THE ORIGINAL SKETCH WE DID FOR THE DREAM MACHINE ON DREAM ISLAND.
THE THOUGHT HERE IS THAT AS YOU INTERACT WITH POP JETS OR AS YOU INTERACT WITH ELEMENTS, IT RESPONDS.
CAN WE GET TEN KIDS TOGETHER TO INTERACT WITH IT IN SOME WAY, AND THERE SHOULD BE A PAYOFF? IT SHOULD BE SOME SOUND, IT SHOULD BE SOME LIGHTNING.
IT SHOULD BE SOME ACTION THAT HAPPENS AROUND THE DREAM MACHINE.
THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING WE'RE EXCITED TO POTENTIALLY GET IN FRONT OF YOUR STUDENTS, GET THEM EXCITED ABOUT IT.
MAYBE THEY CAN HELP US NAME THIS THING.
BUT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO INTEGRATE THE ISD INTO THIS CONVERSATION.
THEN FINALLY, AGAIN, ANOTHER ONE OF A EXPERIENCE, MUCH LIKE OUR RUNNING TRACK THAT POPS OUT THE NORTH END OF THE BUILDING.
WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT A BIRD'S NEST WITH THAT SAME DICHROIC GLASS SITTING ON TOP OF THE BUILDING.
KIDS ASCEND THE STAIRS TO GET TO THE SLIDES AT THE TOP; THEY'RE ACTUALLY UP ON TOP OF THE ROOF.
THEY GET A 360-DEGREE VIEW OF ALL OF PRINCETON.
THEY GET THAT WILD EXPERIENCE OF BEING ON TOP OF A ROOF, WHICH NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE GET THAT EXPERIENCE UNLESS YOU'RE IN OUR INDUSTRY.
THEN THEY HAVE TWO SLIDES TO PICK FROM.
AT THE BOTTOM OF THOSE SLIDES, THERE'S A SPEED TRAP THAT CAN TEST THE TIME TO SEE WHICH KID WON THE RACE TO GET TO THE BOTTOM.
>> JUST AS FAR AS PROJECT SCHEDULE, AT THE END OF THIS WEEK, WE'RE WORKING THIS HARD THIS WEEK TO PUT OUT DRAWINGS AT THE END THIS WEEK.
AT THAT POINT, WE'RE GOING TO GET PRICING.
TYPICALLY, IN DESIGN-BID-BUILD, YOU WAIT TILL THE END OF CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, THEN YOU GO BACK AND VALUE ENGINEER.
FROM SCHEMATIC DESIGN DAY ONE, WE SAID, WHAT DOES THIS THING COST? WHAT CAN WE AFFORD? AT THE END OF NEXT WEEK, WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND GET FULL PRICING, AND ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT WE'VE BEEN TASKED WITH DESIGNING AS FAR AS MOMENTS.
>> AS EXPERIENCE, WE'RE GOING TO GET A LINE ITEM FOR.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT FITS IN THE BUDGET AND WHAT MATTERS MOST.
IT'LL TAKE ABOUT A MONTH TO DO PRICING, AND THEN THREE MONTHS FOR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.
THAT'S WHERE WE GET IN AND DETAIL WHY THE WATERPROOFING GOES AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
THEN Q1 IS WHEN WE'RE GOING TO START MOVING DIRT ON THE SITE, AND THEN WE ANTICIPATE OPENING IN 2028 Q1.
THAT'S IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> YOUR ESTIMATION OF THE $75 MILLION, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE 4.5 MILLION THAT WE SET ASIDE FOR YOUR SERVICES, OR IS THIS IN ADDITION TO?
WHEN WE'RE TRACKING THE NUMBER THAT YOU SEE OF 75 MILLION, THAT'S DESIGN AND FF&E.
>> I ALSO NOTICED THAT ON TODAY'S MEMO IT DOES NOT INCLUDE SENIOR ACTIVITY SPACES, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY LISTED AS SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING TO BE INCLUDED.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN REMOVED FROM THE PLANS, OR IT'S STILL PART OF IT, IT'S JUST NOT ON THE MEMO, CURRENTLY?
>> YES. SO WHAT YOU SEE IS EVEN IN THE COMMUNITY SPACES, AND A LOT OF THE OPEN SPACE ROOMS, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR SENIOR FITNESS, ALONG WITH AEROBICS AND AQUATICS.
SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THERE FOR SENIOR PROGRAMMING.
>> MY CONCERN IS WITH THE OPEN SPACE AND STUFF. IT'S GOING TO BE LOUD.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR A QUIETER SPACE FOR OUR SENIOR POPULATION TO DO THEIR ACTIVITIES AS WELL BECAUSE I LOVE AN OPEN FLOOR CONCEPT.
I JUST WANT TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FEELING COMFORTABLE AND HAVING OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.
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>> ABSOLUTELY. IN THE FLOOR PLAN IN THE SLIDE WITH THE FLOOR PLAN, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, THERE'S A LOT OF WHAT WE SAY OPEN SPACE AND MULTI-USE ROOMS SO THAT WAY WE CAN PROGRAM EACH ROOM FOR DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES FOR ALL AGES.
WHETHER IT IS YOUTH, SENIORS, MID RANGE, YOUNG ADULTS, FOR ANY ADULT.
>> TODAY, ALL WE DO IS LOOKING AT BASICALLY ARE WE TRACKING WHAT WE WANT FOR THIS DOWNTIME SPEED FOR THE MULTI GEN CORRECT? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A DIRECTION ON JUST ARE WE HITTING THE MARK OR DO WE NEED TO CHANGE? SO I GUESS WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW I GUESS COUNCIL'S OPINION ON IF THIS IS THE CONCEPT THAT WE LIKE IS ANYTHING THAT WE DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT, AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
YEAR PLUS AGO, WE WERE LOOKING FOR Y'ALL GENSLER TO DO THIS.
MR. MASHBURN WAS VERY EXCITED WHEN IT CAME TO YOU GUYS.
SO FAR SO GOOD, I REALLY LIKE YOUR APPROACH AND TRYING TO CAPTURE ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE DESIRED, THE WISH LIST, IF YOU WOULD.
THEN ALSO GAINING THE COSTS AS WE GO.
I THINK THAT'S A VERY VALUABLE STEP, ESPECIALLY FOR TIME FRAME BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET THIS SHOVELS IN THE GROUND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH THIS.
TAKING THESE STEPS IS VERY, PROACTIVE AND RESPONSIBLE AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
I ALSO APPRECIATE YOU BRIEFLY SPOKE ON SECURITY WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT LINE OF SIGHT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION OFFICE AND A SECURE LOBBY.
I CAN ONLY IMAGINE Y'ALL ARE BUILDING A VERY SAFE AND SECURE BUILDING THAT OUR POLICE AND FIRE WOULD BE VERY HAPPY WITH FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECT OF IT.
I DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE CONTINUING TO MAKE SURE THAT'S A HIGH PRIORITY IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY WHEN THEY'RE IN THERE BECAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY CREATING A VERY RISKY BUILDING.
LOTS OF RISK INVOLVED WHEN WE ENTER THAT BUILDING.
MAKING IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE IS VERY IMPORTANT. I APPRECIATE THAT.
THEN I REALLY WANT TO STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF EVERY ASPECT WE CAN INVOLVE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND MAKING SPACES FOR OUR SCHOOLS TO USE THERE.
I THINK IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST POINTS I CAN THINK OF, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THEY AGREE WITH THAT.
THEIR WISH LIST IS A LOT BIGGER THAN OUR POCKETBOOK, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT WE CAN STILL DEFINITELY USE THEM IN THAT BLACK BOX, HOW YOU SAID, WE CAN SCOOT ALL THEM BICYCLES OUT.
I COULD JUST IMAGINE HOW MANY SCHOOL CHILDREN CAN HAVE SOME REALLY NEAT CLASSROOM SETTINGS IN THERE FOR FIELD TRIPS AND STUFF.
SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP THAT AT THE TOP PRIORITY, PUBLIC SAFETY AND INVOLVING OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT THE BEST WE CAN. THANK YOU.
>> I BELIEVE THAT THE NEXT STEP AFTER THIS, YOU GUYS ARE TAKING IT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO HAVE THE KIDS GIVE THEIR OPINIONS AND THAT WILL BE THE NEXT STEP AFTER WE APPROVE THE DESIGNS TO KEEP ON GOING, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP.
>> WELL, OBVIOUSLY, YOU GUYS DO INCREDIBLE WORK.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, AND I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS CAN BUILD THE SPACE.
SO AS MUCH MONEY AS WE HAVE, THE CRAZIER THE DESIGNS CAN GET. I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I THINK MY CONCERN WITH IT IS NOT THAT THE DESIGN, I THINK EVERYTHING IN HERE IS FLAWLESS, IS JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN BUY A RANGE ROVER, DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN AFFORD A RANGE ROVER.
THIS IS KIND OF THE SITUATION WITH THIS BUILDING.
I'M LOOKING AT A LOT OF THE ASPECTS TO WHERE THE MAINTENANCE TO LIKE THAT BIG LED WALL, LIKE WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IF THAT GOES OUT? WHAT'S THE COSTS ON THAT? THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE AND IT'S NOT TO YOU GUYS, I GUESS IT'S MORE FOR OUR STAFF IS THE COST RECOVERY FOR THIS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT NUMBER IN MIND SO THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE IN TERMS OF MANAGING THAT.
SO IS IT GOING TO COST THE CITIZENS, $300 ANNUALLY, $600 ANNUALLY IN ORDER TO OPERATE THIS.
SO AS FAR AS THE DESIGN ITSELF, I MEAN, EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT AS FAR AS THE AESTHETICS OF IT.
IT'S PRETTY OUT THERE. GOOD JOB.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I THINK THAT WE'RE ON POINT WHERE EVERYBODY WANTS RIGHT NOW.
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>> THIS WILL MOVE US TO C4, DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION REGARDING THE APPOINTMENT AND PURPOSE OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
MAN, I HATE TO FOLLOW UP THAT PRESENTATION.
I WAS HOPING THE WAY THE AGENDA WAS ORDERED TO FOLLOW UP DRAINAGE, BUT NOW I HAVE TO FOLLOW UP THAT.
BUT I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS QUICK JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.
THIS WAS REQUESTED FROM COUNCIL AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING ON AUGUST 25.
I JUST WANT TO ROLL THROUGH THE PURPOSE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE APPOINTMENT COMPOSITION, AND THEN ALSO SOME DUTIES.
BUT PLEASE STOP ME AT ANY TIME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMITTEE IS TO ACT AS AN INDEPENDENT ADVISORY BODY TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO PROVIDE INPUT ON LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, AND ALSO IMPACT FEES.
THE APPOINTMENT, IT'S REQUIRED BY CHAPTER 395, THE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE, AND THE COMMITTEE MUST BE IN PLACE PRIOR TO THE CITY SETTING REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS TO FORMALLY ADOPT OR AMEND THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, OR IMPACT FEES.
THIS IS A COMMITTEE IS APPOINTED BY MAJORITY VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO AS I MENTIONED, I THINK THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE PRESENTATION, THERE'S A NEW LAW THAT WAS ADOPTED THE LAST MOST RECENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT KIND OF A IMPACTS AND ADJUST THE COMPOSITION OF THE COMMITTEE.
SO PREVIOUSLY, THAT THE COMMITTEE HAD TO BE NOT LESS THAN FIVE MEMBERS, AND IT COULD BE THE P&Z, WHICH IS WHAT MOST MUNICIPALITIES DID PREVIOUSLY, INCLUDING PRINCETON, AT LEAST 40% OF THE MEMBERS HAVE TO BE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT OR BUILDING INDUSTRIES AND NOT EMPLOYEES OR OFFICIALS OF A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION, WHETHER THAT BE PRINCETON OR OTHERWISE.
THEN IF IMPACT FEES ARE TO BE APPLIED IN THE ETJ, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE MEMBER FROM THE ETJ, WHICH PRINCETON'S WATER AND WASTEWATER IMPACT FEES APPLY IN THE ETJ, HENCE THE NEED FOR A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE ETJ.
THE NEW LAW IS EVERYTHING I JUST READ ABOVE EXCEPT THE P&Z CAN NO LONGER SERVE AS THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS EXPRESSLY REMOVED, AND THEN THAT 40% IS NOW A 50% REQUIREMENT.
SO LIKE I SAID, OUR CURRENT CIAC DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE NEW STATE LAW.
SO WHEN THE CITY IS IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, AND IMPACT FEES WILL MAKE SURE TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW LAW IN DOING SO.
THE BULLET POINT I HAVE RIGHT HERE IS THAT THE CIAC SERVES IN A ADVISORY CAPACITY, AND THEY'RE ESTABLISHED TO DO THOSE ITEMS LISTED BELOW.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, IS NOT NECESSARILY EXPRESSLY LISTED UP THERE, BUT PER STATE LAW, THE COMMITTEE HAS TO BE INVOLVED IN REVIEWING AND ALSO HOLDING PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE FORMALLY APPROVING THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, AND ULTIMATELY THE IMPACT FEES.
THAT'S JUST A STATE LAW REQUIREMENT.
THERE'S REALLY RIGOROUS PROCEDURE THAT HAS TO BE FOLLOWED IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE LAWFUL AND ADOPTED.
THE LEGISLATURE, THEY DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF NOTICE THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE MOVING FORWARD.
I KNOW THE CITY MOST RECENTLY UPDATED THEIR IMPACT FEES IN I THINK OCTOBER OF 2022, SO WE'RE COMING UP ON THAT TIME FRAME.
I JUST WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE, YOUR OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS, THE COMMITTEE, HOW IT WORKS.
THEN IF IT'S ALL I HAVE AND LESS THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. SORRY FOR MY BREVITY.
>> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THE COMMITTEE ACTUALLY MET? BECAUSE I KNOW ONLINE, WHAT WE SEE IS A POSTPONED AND THEN A CANCELED MEETING.
I DON'T SEE AN ACTUAL MEETING THAT WAS KEPT, AND THE CONCERN IS, AS YOU STATED, WE DID INCREASE THOSE IMPACT FEES THAT DOES, IN FACT, IMPACT THE ETJ AREA.
>> SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE COMMITTEE MET IN I THINK SEPTEMBER OF 2022 BEFORE I ULTIMATELY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL IN OCTOBER 2022.
OF COURSE, I WASN'T HERE AT THE TIME, BUT THAT WAS THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO THE IMPACT FEES THAT ARE ADOPTED AND IN EFFECT RIGHT NOW ARE LAWFULLY DONE.
THEN MOVING FORWARD, OBVIOUSLY, THE COMMITTEE WILL MEET ALL THE NEW STATE LAW REQUIRES.
>> DO WE HAVE A MEETING RECORD IN ACCORDANCE TO STATE LAW TO PUBLISH ON THE WEBSITE BECAUSE ON THE WEBSITE FOR THE COMMITTEE, THERE ISN'T A RECORD OF THAT CURRENTLY POSTED TO SHOW THAT THE MEETING DID IN FACT GET HELD.
>> YEAH. SO I'LL WORK WITH THE SECRETARY'S OFFICE TO GET THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE HAS AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE HASN'T BEEN A MEETING AFTER THE FACT, SO THE MINUTES FROM THAT MEETING HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED.
SO AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE MINUTES ARE ON THE AGENDA AND APPROVED.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND AND FIND THOSE, BUT WE'LL BE HAPPY TO GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.
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>> WELL, I GUESS ALSO POST THE MEETING THAT WAS ACTUALLY HELD SINCE ONE WAS POSTPONED AND ONE WAS CANCELED.
THE ACTUAL MEETING HELD ISN'T LISTED ANYWHERE, SO THAT TWO WOULD BE GREAT.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IS THERE A REASON WHY OUR COMMITTEE WAS NEVER ASKED TO CONVENE SINCE 2024? I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS RANDOMLY DONE AND NOBODY KNEW ABOUT.
WE HAVE VERY COMPETENT PEOPLE IN LEADERSHIP.
WE HAVE WHO HAVE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WHO'VE WORKED IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE WORKED WITH CIPS.
SO THIS COMMITTEE ISN'T NEW, ISN'T UNKNOWN.
WE HAVE CURRENT STAFF THAT WAS HERE WHEN THE LAST TIME THE COMMITTEE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MEETING.
WHAT EXPLANATION DO WE HAVE FOR THE PEOPLE OF PRINCETON FOR NOT HAVING THIS COMMITTEE MEET?
>> I THINK THE EXPLANATION WOULD BE THAT IMPACT FEES HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE THEN.
I MEAN, I THINK A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THEIR COMMITTEE MEETS ON A MORE FREQUENT BASIS, AND I THINK MOVING FORWARD AND THE MAYOR AND I'VE DISCUSSED THIS.
ONCE THIS NEW COMMITTEE IS REAPPOINTED FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO HAVE THE MEET ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS.
THAT'S THE EXPLANATION I CAN GIVE.
>> BUT THEY ALSO DO IT'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
>> THAT ARE IMPACT FEE ELIGIBLE, NOT ALL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THAT'S THEIR JURISDICTION GOT TO THINK WASTEWATER AND ROADWAY. SOME THINGS MAY BE[OVERLAPPING].
>> DOES IMPACTS GET IMPACT FEES OF THEIR OWN?
>> THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED IMPACT FEES.
NO, THOSE ARE PARK DEVELOPMENT.
THEY'RE AKIN TO AN IMPACT FEE, BUT THEY'RE NOT A CHAPTER 395, IMPACT FEE.
ONCE AGAIN, I SAID, NOT THE MOST EXCITING TOPIC, BUT I GUESS IT'S NOT THE BUDGET EITHER.
>> WILL WE BE SENDING OUT LIKE A APPLY NOW?
>> DOES IT HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT SO THESE DEVELOPERS, DO THEY HAVE TO BE RESIDENTS OF PRINCETON TO BE A PART OF THIS OR WORKING WITHIN PRINCETON? ARE WE PUTTING OUT APPLICATIONS TO GO AHEAD AND START HAVING PEOPLE APPLY TO GET THIS SO WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE?
>> SURE. SO IT'S MOST COMMON TO HAVE THEM BE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE MOST FAMILIAR WITH THE CITY.
THEN OBVIOUSLY WITH THE I GUESS THE ONE EXCEPTION BEING THE ETJ MEMBER THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, BUT YEAH, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE SAME APPOINTMENT PROCESS LIKE WE'VE DONE FOR OTHER BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AND TRY TO GET WILLING AND ENABLE VOLUNTEERS BECAUSE IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT COMMITTEE AND WE'LL WELCOME ANY EXPERTISE MOVING FORWARD.
>> GRANT, THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION.
IT'S NOT THE EASIEST THINGS TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THIS.
THE LEGAL GUARD RAILS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW AS A MUNICIPALITY.
ANYTIME YOU'RE TALKING I'M LISTENING, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT THINK IT'S EXCITING, ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH REGULATIONS IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION TO THE DETAIL ON THIS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO STAYING WITHIN THOSE LEGAL GUARD RAILS LIKE WE HAVE BEEN.
>> IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTION, I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS WILL TAKE IT TO C5, COUNCIL DIRECTION TO STAFF ON SPECIFIC ITEMS IDENTIFIED IN THE BUDGET WORK SESSION.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, KELLY WILSON, CFO FOR THE CITY OF PRINCETON.
AS WE PRESENTED THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE '25-'26 BUDGET YEAR, DURING THE BUDGET WORKSHOP, AUGUST 25, WE HEARD FROM COUNCIL SOME ITEMS THAT CAME BACK THAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AT THIS WORKSHOP TONIGHT.
SO WE HEARD ABOUT IS THERE A WAY TO FUND FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS? THERE WAS A BUDGET IN THERE FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO CREATE A MEDIA BROADCAST SPACE, WHICH WOULD ENHANCE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.
A PART TIME ASSISTANT FOR THE MAYOR.
WE HEARD ALSO ABOUT A CITYWIDE FORENSIC AUDIT, THE DRAINAGE STUDY, AS WELL AS OPPORTUNITY COST WITH THESE CHANGES.
WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THAT, SOME CONSIDERATIONS ARE FUNDING OF THE ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT SEVERAL TIMES OF 226,180.
AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE ONGOING COST AND THEY DO INCREASE EVERY YEAR.
THE RENOVATION OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE FOR THE MEDIA ROOM.
WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH TO FUNDING THAT, SO THIS WOULD HAVE NO IMPACT IN THE GENERAL FUND.
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THEN THERE'S THE PART TIME ASSISTANT MAYOR.AGAIN, THAT'S AN ONGOING COST AS WELL, AND IT WOULD INCREASE EVERY YEAR.
THE DRAINAGE STUDY, AS YOU HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IN LENGTH OF 750K TO 2.5 MILLION, AND THEN THE FORENSIC AUDIT COULD BE A COSTLY AUDIT WITHOUT A SCOPE.
WHERE WOULD THE FUNDING SOURCES COME FROM? WOULD BE A QUESTION FROM STAFF.
WE SEE THAT THIS COULD COST 200-$400 AN HOUR FOR A MID LEVEL AUDITOR.
SOME OTHER ADDITIONAL CONCERNS.
THINGS JUST KEEP IN MIND IS THE HOUSING MARKET.
IF SOMETHING HAPPENS WITH THE HOUSING MARKET IN PRINCETON, IF WE WERE TO SEE A DOWNTURN, THIS COULD IMPACT STAFFING LEVELS RESULTING IN LAYOFFS.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LOT DURING THIS BUDGET SEASON, AND IT WAS A SCARE WITH SENATE BILL 10 WITH REGARD TO HOW MUCH WE CAN INCREASE TAX WITHIN THE M&O RATE AND THAT THRESHOLD OF 3.5-1%.
THAT SENATE BILL 10 DID DIE ON CAPITAL, BUT EVERY TWO YEARS DURING THESE LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS, THAT WAS ALWAYS A TOPIC.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT AGAIN, THE LONG-TERM VISION OF SUSTAINABILITY, THAT THAT IS COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES.
AGAIN, IF WE WERE TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TONIGHT, IT IS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA TO APPROVE THE BUDGET.
IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE BUDGET TONIGHT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION SEPTEMBER THE 15TH.
>> SPECIAL MEETING. SORRY. THANK YOU.
KEEP ME UPRIGHT. THEN SMALL CHANGES.
WE COULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH SMALL CHANGES AND DO A MID-YEAR ADJUSTMENT.
THOSE ARE SOME THINGS TO BE THINKING ABOUT.
AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COST TO CONSIDER THE FORENSIC AUDIT THINK ABOUT THOSE ONE-TIME COSTS.
ALWAYS LOOKING AT OUR RESERVES, THAT WE HAVE A POLICY OF KEEPING OUR RESERVE AT 90 DAY OR A 25% RESERVE.
AS YOU LOOKED AT THE MULTI-GEN, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT MULTI-GEN. THAT'S GOING TO BE STAFFING, IT'S GOING TO BE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION THAT WE HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT IN THE LONG RUN.
AGAIN, FORENSIC AUDIT IS A ONE-TIME COST, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OFFICERS.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THAT ONGOING COST, AND THEN THE DRAINAGE STUDY AS WELL.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY THE DRIVER FOR OUR BUDGET.
THIS WOULD TELL STAFF, WHERE IS YOUR PRIORITIES? WHERE DO WE NEED TO PUT OUR RESOURCES THAT WE PRESENT TO YOU IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET? WE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR COUNCIL DIRECTION, ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK ABOUT THESE ITEMS THAT CAME UP AT THE AUGUST 25 MEETING, AND TO GIVE STAFF ANY DIRECTION ON THIS BUDGET.
IF WE NEED TO GO WITH A SPECIAL MEETING OR A MID-YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENT.
>> I WOULD SAY ON THE FORENSIC AUDIT, WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IN PLACE.
IS IT REQUIRED THAT WE AUDIT OUR CIP?
>> I BELIEVE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP DURING GRANT'S DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS NEW LEGISLATIVE STUFF THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER AS WELL.
BUT THAT WOULD PROBABLY PART OF OUR ANNUAL AUDIT THAT WE'RE REQUIRED BY STATE LAW, MAYBE BECAUSE THEY DO AUDIT OUR CAPITAL CIP FUNDS.
>> I'LL SAY IT'S TYPICALLY PART OF THE CITY'S FINANCIAL AUDIT, BUT I WILL SAY, AND I DIDN'T MENTION THIS.
I MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED IT DURING THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE PRESENTATION, BUT ANYTIME YOU INCREASE YOUR IMPACT FEES, THE NEW LAW REQUIRES AN INDEPENDENT THIRD-PARTY AUDIT.
[OVERLAPPING] THAT IS A NEW REQUIREMENT.
>> THE THIRD PARTY THAT DOES THIS AUDIT CAN'T HAVE DONE ANY BUSINESS WITH THE CITY FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS.
THERE ARE LIKE SPECIAL RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR WHO CAN LOOK AT THE MONEY AND DO THE AUDIT FOR THE CIP?
>> YEAH. MY PROPOSAL WILL BE, AS FAR AS WHERE WE GET THE FUNDS, WE CAN START WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE RENOVATIONS OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, REMOVE THE PART-TIME ASSISTANCE FOR THE MAYOR AND THEN INSTEAD OF IT BEING THE FORENSIC AUDIT, SINCE IT'S A REQUIREMENT LET'S DO THE CIP AUDIT WITH THOSE FUNDS INSTEAD.
>> THAT FUNDING SOURCE THAT IS IN THE GENERAL FUND AMOUNTS TO $61,000 FOR THE PART-TIME ASSISTANT AND THE 25,000 THAT I HAVE MENTIONED, WE COULD DO OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL FUND SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCES.
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>> BUT WE'RE CHANGING OUR IMPACT FEE, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A CIP AUDIT ANYWAY.
I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE SOME MONEY TOWARDS THE AUDIT.
I THINK IT WILL BE VERY BENEFICIAL.
I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SENT OVER TO ME.
GOING THROUGH IT, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS IF I CAN SHARE WITH YOU LATER BECAUSE SOME OF IT LOOKS LIKE SAME DATE, SAME THING, DONE TWICE, DOUBLE CHARGES, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I REALLY THINK THAT THE CIP AUDIT WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL TO GO HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
>> I KNOW THAT WITH THE CIP AUDIT, THAT IS WHEN ITS IMPACT FEES, IT CAN BE FUNDED BY IMPACT FEES.
>> THAT'S EVEN BETTER. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT WOULD COST? I KNOW, JUST A BALLPARK FIGURE?
>> WELL, I DO KNOW THE AUDIT THAT'S GOING ON WITH THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THEY KEPT IT AT 50,000 TO SEE THE SCOPE IT WOULD COST, SO THEY KEPT IT AT 50,000.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WENT FOR A SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD, BUT IF THIS WAS A CITYWIDE.
>> WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON THE BUDGET, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO MAKE MAJOR CHANGES OR MID-YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENT?
>> DID WE COVER THE ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS? HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT THE BUDGET? HOW MANY ADDITIONAL DID YOU FIND A FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THAT AT ALL?
>> NO. DUE TO THE REVENUE CONSTRAINTS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE, WE DID PUT TWO OFFICERS IN THE BUDGET, SO THAT IS ALREADY IN THERE TODAY.
BUT ADDITIONAL, I DON'T SEE IT.
COUNCIL, BE THINKING ABOUT YOUR RESERVES.
>> I KNOW WE WANT TO HAVE A DRAIN YOUR STUDY HERE, SO OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO GET AN RQ FOR THAT AS WELL.
WE CAN'T REALLY DECIDE ON THAT TODAY EITHER.
>> NO, I WOULD BRING THAT BACK DEFINITELY AS A BUDGET AMENDMENT.
>> CURRENTLY, THIS LIST THAT'S IN FRONT OF ME, I DON'T THINK ANY OF IT NEEDS TO BE ON THIS BUDGET.
IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE STUDY AFTER AN RQ, WE CAN LOOK AT A MID-YEAR ADJUSTMENT.
THEN, WHEN SOMEONE ACTUALLY PUTS A SCOPE OF WORK FOR A FORENSIC AUDIT, BECAUSE CITYWIDE IS JUST OUT OF THE QUESTION.
WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR THAT, BUT IF THERE'S A FORENSIC AUDIT THAT WARRANTS LOOKING INTO THAT HAS VALID CONCERNS, THEN BY ALL MEANS, AND IF WE DO THE CIP AUDIT BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN FEES, THEN WE'LL FOLLOW THAT PROCESS AND WE'LL MAKE A MID-YEAR ADJUSTMENT.
I THINK WE JUST DON'T HAVE ANY OF THESE ON THE BUDGET THIS TIME.
>> DOES THE CURRENT BUDGET REFLECT OUR CURRENT IMPACT FEES, OR ARE THEY PROJECTING BASED ON THE IMPACT FEES WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING?
>> THANK YOU. JUST A MINUTE. GIVE ME A SECOND.
>> I'LL TELL YOU THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE, SINCE WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE IMPACT FEES, IF WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON THEM AND WE VOTE ON THIS BUDGET TODAY, I WORRY ABOUT PRE-DETERMINATION OF A VOTE SO I JUST WANT THAT CLARIFIED, PLEASE.
>> THE IMPACT FEES, AGAIN, WE PLAN TO BRING FEES BACK TO COUNCIL AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IMPACT FEES AS WELL.
NO, I'M GETTING A SHAKE OF THE NO.
I DO NOT HAVE THAT PROGRAMMED IN THE BUDGET.
THE ONLY THING I HAD PROGRAMMED WAS WHEN WE HAD THAT BUDGET WORKSHOP AND WE GOT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL OF THE FEES THAT WE WANTED TO CHANGE.
NONE OF THOSE FEES THAT WERE DISCUSSED QUALIFY AS IMPACT FEES THAT WE NEED TO MOVE OVER.
BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THINGS, FEES, AND WHATNOT TO CHANGE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE ITEMS ON THAT LIST ARE NOT ACTUALLY ITEMS THAT NEED TO GO TO THE CIP FIRST.
>> MR. BASCH ACTUALLY HEARD WHAT COUNCIL MAN BIN STATED THAT HE DIDN'T WANT ANY OF THESE ITEMS, EVEN AS FAR AS THE CIP AUDIT. DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
>> I THINK THE CIP AUDIT IS GOING TO COME REGARDLESS, JUST BECAUSE WE ARE UPDATING OUR IMPACT FEES.
I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO SOMETHING THAT HAS TO COME BACK TO US FOR AN ADJUSTMENT, PROBABLY BEFORE OR EVEN MID-YEAR,
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JUST TO GET THAT GOING.EVERYTHING ELSE, I SAID, THE PART-TIME ASSISTANT WAS MAINLY FOR US AS COUNSEL BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING A LOT OF CITY STAFF, JUST GETTING RECORDS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THIS WAS A SOLUTION THAT GAVE CURRENT STAFF THE ABILITY TO KEEP WORKING WITHOUT US TAKING SO MUCH OF THEIR TIME BECAUSE OVER THE PAST, FEW MONTHS, WELL, ACTUALLY SINCE WE'VE ALL BEEN ON COUNCIL, I JUST GOT THAT CONSTANT JUST, HEY, WE SPEND AT A LOT OF TIME ON YOUR REQUEST.
WE'RE REQUESTING A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION.
THIS IS SOMEBODY THAT WILL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY WORK FOR COUNCIL AND GET US THAT DOCUMENTATION AND SO ACTUAL STAFF CAN WORK.
BUT TO ME, IT'S WHATEVER COUNCIL WANTS TO DO.
THIS IS JUST SOLUTIONS FOR PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE RENOVATION WAS NOT REALLY A RENOVATION, IT JUST TO FIND A MEDIA SPACE THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY CREATE MORE VIDEOS BETWEEN IF YOU GUYS AND COUNCIL WANT TO CREATE, I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE WANT TO SEE US WANT TO SEE US SPEAK MORE.
I'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR COUNCIL TO BE MORE INVOLVED, TO COMMUNICATE TO KNOW EVERYBODY AND ACTUALLY GET MORE INFORMATION OUT THERE.
THAT WAS A SOLUTION FOR THAT AS WELL.
BUT IF COUNSEL DOESN'T WANT ANY OF THIS, THEN THAT'S YOUR GUYS' CHOICE.
>> I GUESS THE CHANGEOVER BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S STARTING TO FEEL LIKE, IS WHERE THE REQUESTS ARE COMING FROM.
PRIOR TO THE CHANGEOVER IN NOVEMBER, WHAT WAS THE FREQUENCY OF GETTING PIRS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS ASKING FOR INFORMATION AND RESEARCH FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA? DO WE KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN VOLUME IS? BECAUSE I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT'S A NEW CONCERN OR NEW STRUGGLE BECAUSE MORE QUESTIONS ARE BEING ASKED, OR IS IT IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING EXISTING PROBLEM AND WE'RE NOW GETTING AROUND TO ADDRESSING.
>> I JUST THINK THAT IT COME DOWN TO JUST THE CITY'S GROWN, LIKE EVERY I SAID, WE'RE A FAST-GROWING CITY.
WE STILL HAVE NOT REALLY IMPROVED STAFF.
WE'RE STILL BEHIND, WE'RE STILL UNDERSTAFFED BY FAR COMPARED TO OTHER FAST-GROWING CITY.
I JUST THINK THAT JUST THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT THEY HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH HAS JUST EVERY YEAR, IT GETS MORE AND MORE, AND I KNOW AT LEAST THREE, FOR SURE, WE DO REQUEST A LOT OF INFORMATION.
WE REQUEST A LOT OF TIME FROM THE CITY THAT THIS PERSON WOULD BE ABLE TO HELP.
ALSO, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO MORE INFORMATION THAN IT'LL BE FASTER FOR US TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, JUST DUE TO THE SHEER AMOUNT OF TIME THAT AND PROJECTS LIKE WE HAVE EIGHT MEETINGS GOING ON THIS WEEK OR SO IT'S A LOT OF WORK THAT THE CITY IS PUTTING IN THAT THIS PERSON WILL BE DEDICATED TO GET US THIS STUFF.
YOU'RE NOT SAYING, HEY, IT'S BEEN TWO WEEKS A MONTH AND YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN WHAT YOU WANTED.
THIS IS THE PERSON THAT WILL BE DEDICATED FOR THAT.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THE VOLUME OF REQUEST HAVE INCREASED SINCE WE'VE HAD A CHANGE IN COUNCIL.
PREVIOUSLY, WE WOULD MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER OR ONE OF THE CITY MANAGERS TO DISCUSS ISSUES AND WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUE WE MIGHT HAVE BEFORE COUNCIL.
A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH WAS TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE WE CAME INTO COUNCIL MEETING.
THAT IS A PART OF THE RESEARCH THAT WAS DONE.
DOCUMENTATION WAS REQUESTED, YES, BUT A LOT WAS DONE IN PERSON WITH STAFF DIRECTLY, PROVIDING THE INFORMATION, ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT WE NEEDED SO WHEN WE GOT TO MEETINGS, WE WERE WELL AWARE OF WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE SO WE COULD VOTE AND MAKE DETERMINATIONS.
>> HONESTLY, THAT'S HOW THE THREE OF US GOT ELECTED.
THE PEOPLE WANTED QUESTIONS BEING ASKED OUT HERE.
THEY WANTED US GETTING THIS INFORMATION.
I'M SORRY TO CITY STAFF THAT I ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND REQUEST DOCUMENTS TO LOOK INTO THINGS.
I'M SORRY THAT IT DOES PUT ON AN EXTRA BURDEN.
BUT THAT'S WHY I WAS ELECTED AND I HAVE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE.
>> WELL, LET ME JUST SAY WE ALL SERVE THE PEOPLE, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GIVE KUDOS TO THE STAFF BECAUSE I'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE GETTING INFORMATION, HAVING A QUESTION ANSWERED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I STATED THAT.
>> I GUESS WE NEED DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON WHICH DIRECTION YOU WANT TO REMOVE THEM ALL.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S OPINION ON THIS SO THEY CAN GET CLEAR DIRECTION, IF WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
>> I AGREE THAT THE CIP AUDIT IS GOING TO COME REGARDLESS,
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AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BUDGET AS IS WITHOUT ANY OF THESE ADDITIONS.>> I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN WASHINGTON AND COUNCILMAN LONG.
>> I GUESS WE'LL SEE WHEN WE NEED THE CIP AUDIT AND BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL AND THEN WE'LL JUST APPROVE THAT ADDED COST, AND THEN WE'LL REMOVE EVERYTHING ELSE FROM THIS LIST.
>> ARE WE REQUESTING AN RQ FOR AUDITORS FOR THE CIP AUDIT?
>> I THINK WHEN THAT TIME COMES, WE'LL START THAT PROCESS.
>> THAT TIME IS NOW. WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT CHANGING THE FEES.
>> THAT WAS MY REASONING FOR ALREADY ALLOCATING THE FUNDS THERE.
IF WE'RE ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING THE FEES.
WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO AMEND IT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT BACK IN TIME BEFORE THE BUDGET IS DUE, SO WE CAN REMOVE EVERYTHING FROM HERE AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL ONCE WE HAVE THE RQ.
>> WE STILL HAVE QUITE A BIT OF TIME BEFORE THE AUDIT COMPONENT OF THE CIP IS NEEDED.
ONCE AGAIN, I THINK TO STATE WHAT KELLY SAID EARLIER, THAT THE IMPACT FEES WILL COVER THE COST OF THE CIP AUDIT, THE IMPACT FEE AUDIT.
[OVERLAPPING] I WOULDN'T REQUIRE A MUNICIPAL BUDGET ADJUSTMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> WHY ARE WE SO NERVOUS ABOUT GOING AHEAD AND GETTING THESE RQS? LET'S JUST DO IT.
>> WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF STEPS BECAUSE THEY'RE AUDITING THE IMPACT FEES, AND WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET.
THERE'LL BE A POINT IN TIME THAT WE CAN DO IT, AND WE CAN BE PROACTIVE.
IT'S JUST IT'S STILL EARLY IN THE PROCESS TO DO THAT.
>> WHY ARE WE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE IMPACT FEES IF WE'RE NOT EVEN THERE YET?
>> THEY'RE TYPICALLY DONE EVERY 3-5 YEARS.
THE NEW STATE LAW SAYS YOU CAN'T DO THEM MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THREE YEARS AND WE'RE APPROACHING THAT THREE-YEAR MARK.
IT'S JUST IT'S NATURALLY JUST TIME TO DISCUSS UPDATING THOSE COMPONENTS, THE LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS, CIP, AND IMPACT FEES.
>> I THINK WE HAVE DIRECTION AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
>> THANK YOU, MR. KELLY. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM D, DISCUSS AND REVIEW AGENDA ITEMS. THE CITY COUNCIL MAY ASK QUESTIONS REGARDING OR DISCUSS ANY ITEMS LISTED ON THE MAIN MEETING AGENDA.
NO FORMAL ACTION WILL BE TAKEN DURING THE PRE-MEETING, AS ANY FORMAL ACTION SHALL ONLY OCCUR DURING THE MAIN MEETING.
IS THERE ANY ITEMS FROM THE REGULAR AGENDA THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS RIGHT NOW? I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO SKIP EXECUTIVE, AND WE'LL DO THAT IN THE MAIN MEETING.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> I'D LIKE TO OFFER A PUBLIC APOLOGY TO COUNCIL MEMBER TODD FOR THE HEATED DEBATE THAT I GOT INTO WITH HER EARLIER.
IT'S NOT PROPER FOR ME TO HAVE DONE THAT FROM THE BENCH.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.
>> AT THIS TIME, I DIDN'T SEE A MOTION.
>> I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO ADJOURN.
>> ANY DAYS. THE TIME IS 7:14.
WE WILL TAKE A 10-MINUTE RECESS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.