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IF I COULD HAVE EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO OPEN. GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THIS SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING IN THE. AND FOR THE PRE-COUNCIL MEETING, THE WORK SESSION. MAYOR ESCOBAR IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT LATE.

I'M SURE IT'S NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH TRAFFIC.

BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT A QUORUM HERE, AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP AND AND.

WELL, HANG ON JUST A SECOND, I STAND CORRECTED.

I'LL WAIT FOR HIM TO GET HERE AND OPEN THIS UP.

[A. CALL TO ORDER-MAYOR]

ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED. TODAY IS TUESDAY, OCTOBER 14TH, 2025.

THE TIME IS 5:34 AND I'LL START MY ROLL CALL.

MR. DAVID-GRAVES IS, SHE IS RUNNING LATE. MS. TODD. PRESENT. MR. JOHNSON. PRESENT. MR. WASHINGTON.

HERE. MR. GERFERS. HERE. MR. DEFFIBAUGH. HERE.

MR. LONG. HERE. ALL RIGHT. THAT WILL TAKE US INTO ITEM C.

[C. SPECIAL WORK SESSION AGENDA]

HOW WAS SPECIAL WORK SESSION, AGENDA, DISCUSSION AND PRESENTATION REGARDING THE RESULTS OF A PAVEMENT CONDITION ASSESSMENT PERFORMED BY ROADWAY ASSESSMENT SERVICES PRESENTED BY TOMMY MAPP. THIS WILL BE ITEM C.1.

2025-254. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, COUNCIL TOMMY MAP, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE CONDUCTED A PAVEMENT CONDITION ASSESSMENT FOR EVERY ROADWAY THAT IS OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE CITY OF PRINCETON.

THEN COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON ASKED FOR THE RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY.

WE HAD THE NIGHT HE ASKED FOR. WE HAD JUST GOTTEN THEM THAT PREVIOUS THURSDAY.

SO THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING THAT WE'VE HAD TIME TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA.

WE'D ALREADY PLANNED ON IT. SO I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING. SO BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF QUESTIONS AND THE SCIENCE AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO IT REGARDING THE, THE ASSESSMENT, I THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO HAVE SCOTT GORDON WITH ROADWAY ASSET SERVICES TO COME DELIVER THE PRESENTATION, GIVE THE FINDINGS, AND BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.

I WANT TO KIND OF KEEP THIS BRIEF AND WE CAN COME BACK AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU'VE GOT WHEN WE SEE THIS JUST TO DEFINE A FEW THINGS COMING IN, YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 168 CENTERLINE MILES. THAT'S YOUR LINEAR LENGTH OF YOUR ROADWAYS, PAVED AREAS.

YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 2.7 MILLION SQYDS. THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE SURFACE AREA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN OVER TIME.

APPROXIMATELY 12% OF YOUR NETWORK IS ASPHALT.

THE OTHER 88% IS CONCRETE REPLACEMENT VALUE. IF WE HAD TO GO REBUILD ALL THESE STREETS, IT'S ABOUT 500 MILLION.

SO IT'S QUITE THE ASSET THAT YOU'RE HAVING TO MANAGE WITH YOUR PAVEMENT NETWORK.

SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONDITION IT'S IN.

AND THAT'S WHAT PART OF THIS SERVICE IS PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.

IT'S A 0 TO 100 SCALE. IT'S A RATING OF THE CONDITIONS WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DISTRESSES, THE CRACKING, POTHOLES, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

IT'S A ASTM PROCEDURE. IT'S 6433 THERE AT THE BOTTOM.

NATIONAL GUIDELINE THAT WE FOLLOW GIVES US ALL THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE DIFFERENT DISTRESSES AND ALL THE DEDUCTS TO ACTUALLY CALCULATE THAT SCORE.

SO IT'S REALLY NOT JUST OUR OPINION IT'S A CALCULATED PROCESS THAT WE GO THROUGH IN MEASURING EACH AND EVERY ROAD TO DETERMINE ITS SCORE.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRESERVATION, THAT'S JUST MAINTENANCE TO KEEP THINGS ROLLING.

I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE THEORIES BEHIND THAT.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THESE DETERIORATION CURVES, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST CURVE THERE ON THE LEFT END, THE ONE THAT CURVES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM, IF WE RELIEVE ALL THESE ROADS AS THEY ARE WITHOUT ANY MAINTENANCE, THEY'RE GOING TO GRADUALLY DETERIORATE OVER TIME.

TYPICALLY, THEY'RE DESIGNED WITH A 20 YEAR DESIGN LIFE, BUT THE THE ACTUAL LIFE COULD GO OUT TO 30 OR 40 YEARS.

IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY ROUGH RIDING ON IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO LAST A WHILE.

WHAT YOU SEE IN THE BLUE LINES ON THE DASH UP ABOVE THERE IS THEY KIND OF BOUNCE ALONG.

THAT'S PROVIDING PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE ALONG THE WAY.

SO IT'S EITHER SEALING THE ROAD LIKE YOU WOULD PAINT YOUR HOUSE.

THINK OF IT LIKE CHANGING THE OIL IN YOUR CAR.

IT'LL LAST SO LONG. BUT IF YOU ADD MAINTENANCE THROUGHOUT, YOU CAN EXTEND THAT SERVICE LIFE.

SO WHAT WE'RE SHOWING WITH THE DASHED VERTICAL LINES IS WHEN WE APPLY MAINTENANCE, WE SHIFT THE CURVE OUT AND DETERIORATION CONTINUES FROM THERE.

SO BY APPLYING A LOT OF CHEAPER PRESERVATION SEALS, TREATMENTS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, YOU CAN EXTEND THE SERVICE LIFE WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND

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A LOT OF MONEY. THE POINT OF THIS GRAPH ALONG THAT UPPER SIDE OF THE GRAPH, WE'RE ABOUT $4 A YARD FOR MAINTENANCE.

IF YOU LET IT SLIDE ALL THE WAY DOWN THE CURVE WHERE YOU'RE HAVING TO REBUILD STRUCTURE, NOW YOU'RE UP TO 4 TIMES, 5 TIMES THAT MUCH 22, 25, $30, SOMETIMES A SQUARE YARD TO COME IN AND REBUILD A SECTION TO REGAIN IT.

SO THAT'S JUST THE THEORY OF WHY WE'RE DOING SOME OF THIS.

THIS IS THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE USE. THIS IS OUR RACK VEHICLE WE CALL IT.

BUT THE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THERE ON THE BACK.

EXCUSE ME. IT'S A LASER CRACK MEASURING SYSTEM.

IT'S CANTILEVERED OFF THE BACK SO WE CAN GET A STRAIGHT DOWN VIEW OF THE PAVEMENT SURFACE ITSELF.

THERE ARE LASERS THAT ARE POINTED TO THE PAVEMENT. BOUNCE BACK UP TO PROCESSORS THERE THAT TELL US THE THE REALLY, IT'S THE TEXTURE OF THE ROADWAY. FROM THAT WE CAN DETERMINE CRACKS, THE WIDTHS, THE LENGTHS OF EACH OF THOSE CRACKS.

WE CAN LOOK AT TEXTURES. THAT'S HOW WE CAN FIND POTHOLES AND PATCHES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT INFORMATION IS FED. THERE'S A BUNCH OF CPUS IN THE BACK OF THAT VAN GATHERING ALL THIS DATA AS WE DRIVE DOWN YOUR ROADS, TAKING THESE PHOTO IMAGES UP ON TOP, YOU'LL SEE A LADYBUG CAMERA.

IT'S A 360 DEGREE CAMERA. SO WE'VE GOT IMAGES OF YOUR RIGHT OF WAY AND EVERY ROAD THAT WE DROVE.

SO WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND EXTRACT RIGHT OF WAY ASSETS, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT WITHIN THE ROADWAY WHICH YOU ALSO MAINTAIN.

WE'VE GOT A PROFILER ON THE FRONT OF THE VAN THAT'S GOT LASERS POINTED ON THE PAVEMENT SURFACE.

THAT'S TELLING US THE RUTS WITHIN THE ROAD WHERE THOSE OCCUR.

AND IT ALSO TELLS US THE RIDE QUALITY. HOW DOES THE USER FEEL AS THEY DRIVE DOWN THE ROADWAY? HOW ROUGH IS IT? GOT SOME OTHER EQUIPMENT IN THERE.

BUT THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE GATHERING.

WE RUN IT THROUGH AN ALGORITHM MY COMPANY HAS DEVELOPED CALLED ROAD TRIP.

IT'S TAKING ALL THOSE MEASUREMENTS FROM THE LASERS.

WE PROCESS IT THROUGH THE ALGORITHM TO GET THIS PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX THROUGH THIS ASTM PROCESS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO A LOT OF INFORMATION THERE. WE DO PRETTY HEAVY QC ON THE PROCESS.

BUT IT GIVES US ALL THE CRACKING. SO THE PHOTO THERE AT THE BOTTOM KIND OF ILLUSTRATES HOW THE CRACKS LIGHT UP THROUGH THAT LC-MS SYSTEM OF BEING ABLE TO MEASURE WHERE THEY EXIST IN THE ROADWAY. THERE'S A LOT OF ENGINEERING BEHIND THIS.

I'VE ACTUALLY GOT A MASTER'S DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING, STUDYING PAVEMENT MATERIALS AND HOW THEY CRACK AND DISTRESS.

SO THE PATTERNS OF THIS DISTRESS TELL US A LOT ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF THE ROADWAY AND HOW WELL IT'S PERFORMING.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES, A LITTLE DARK HERE, BUT ON THE RIGHT YOU SEE A BLOCK CRACK PATTERN CALLED BLOCK CRACKING.

PRETTY UNIQUE NAME, BUT IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL AGING OF THE MATERIAL.

AS THE MATERIAL AGES AND GETS STIFF, IT'S GOT TO RELIEVE STRESS THROUGH TEMPERATURE CHANGES, SO IT'LL START CRACKING JUST BECAUSE OF AGE. ON THE LEFT YOU SEE SOMETHING WE CALL ALLIGATOR FATIGUE CRACKING.

IT'S A LOT MORE DETAILED. TYPE PATTERN, TYPE CRACK.

IT'S USUALLY RELATED TO FAILURE OF THE SUBGRADE OR THE BASE DUE TO LOADING.

SO IT'S A STRUCTURAL FAILURE. SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE 2 AND THE REASON IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT IT'S A 5 TIMES DEDUCT IN THE SCORE.

AND WHAT YOU SEE IN ALLIGATOR VERSUS WHAT YOU SEE IN AN ENVIRONMENTAL RELATED BLOCK CRACK.

SO IT'S VERY DETAIL ORIENTED. AND HOW WE'RE DETERMINING THE STRESSES AND HOW THEY'RE EVALUATED WITHIN YOUR SYSTEM.

TO GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW THIS RATING SCALE KIND OF LOOKS.

SO I'VE GOT AN EXAMPLE ON THE LEFT OF A CONCRETE ROAD AND ASPHALT ON THE RIGHT.

BOTH OF THOSE SCORE ABOUT 9091. THOSE ARE RELATIVELY GOOD CONDITION.

WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T APPLY ANY MAINTENANCE TO THESE.

THEY'RE RELATIVELY NEW, PROBABLY WITHIN THE FIRST 5 YEARS OF THEIR SERVICE LIFE.

JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT A GOOD ROAD'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

NOW, WE'RE ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE SCALE IN THE 50S.

CONCRETE ON THE LEFT, ASPHALT ON THE RIGHT. YOU CAN START TO SEE THE CRACK PATTERNS IN THE CONCRETE.

YOU CAN SEE DIFFERENT SLABS THAT ARE CRACKING UP.

GOT A FEW SLABS IN THERE THAT DON'T HAVE MUCH DISTRESS.

THE ROAD IS STILL FUNCTIONING, BUT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE SOME STRUCTURAL FAILURES TO IT.

SAME THING ON THE ASPHALT ON THE RIGHT AND THAT RIGHT WHEEL PATH.

YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THAT FATIGUE CRACKING INDICATING THAT OUR SUBGRADE IS STARTING TO FAIL A LITTLE BIT.

WE'RE STARTING TO GET SOME DISTRESS THERE FROM THE STRUCTURAL OVERLOAD.

SO ONCE AGAIN, ROADS STILL PERFORMING. IT'S GOING TO START RIDING ROUGHER.

AT SOME POINT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME IN AND FIX THAT STRUCTURE. PUT A NEW STRUCTURE OVERLAY ON IT.

NOW WE'RE SLIDING DOWN TO THE LOWER END OF THE SCALE. TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, ON THE LEFT OF THE CONCRETE, YOU SEE THE SLABS HAVE A LOT OF CRACKS IN THEM.

WE'RE BROKEN UP INTO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PIECES.

I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT'S GOING TO BE A PRETTY ROUGH RIDING ROAD AT THIS POINT.

THE SCORE DOWN IN 25 RANGE TYPICALLY INDICATES WE NEED TO GO INTO STRUCTURAL RECONSTRUCTION.

WE NEED TO REBUILD THAT SECTION OF THE ROAD, OR AT LEAST A LOT OF THOSE PANELS WITHIN THAT IMAGE ON THE ASPHALT ON THE RIGHT.

ONCE AGAIN, WE SEE MORE ADVANCED FATIGUE CRACKING.

WE SEE SOME POTHOLES THAT HAVE BEEN PATCHED AND SOME LARGER AREAS OF PATCHES THERE.

SO ONCE AGAIN THIS ROAD IS GOING TO REQUIRE SOME STRUCTURAL REPAIR.

SO IT JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE RANGES.

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SO THE RESULTS OF THIS NOW WE PRODUCE MAPS THAT CAN COLOR CODE YOUR ENTIRE GIS NETWORK.

SO NOW WE CAN START LOOKING AT WHERE THE RED LINES ARE WHICH ARE THOSE FAILED ROADS.

GOING ON UP THROUGH THE YELLOWS, UP TO THE GREENS WHERE THEY'RE THE BETTER ROADS.

AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT THERE IS KIND OF THE SCALE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THAT PCI RANGE WITH SOME DESCRIPTORS.

AND YOU ALSO SEE THE PERCENTAGES OF YOUR NETWORK IN THOSE COLUMNS THAT FALL INTO EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES.

I'LL ILLUSTRATE THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE DETAILED MAP UP THERE, YOU CAN SEE WE'VE PROVIDED YOUR STAFF WITH MAPS THAT THEY CAN DIVE INTO.

IT'S AGL ONLINE MAPS. WE'RE HOSTING THIS DATA FOR YOUR CITY STAFF TO BE ABLE TO GO INTO AND LOOK AT.

BUT YOU CAN SEE EACH ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL PCI SCORES.

SO YOU CAN REALLY DIVE DOWN AND LOOK AT SOME DETAILS NOT ONLY ON A PER BLOCK BASIS, BUT IN WHAT WE CALL A SAMPLE.

IT'S A SMALLER SAMPLE SET OF WHERE WE ACTUALLY EVALUATE THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF DIVE IN AND SEE IF THERE'S ISOLATED AREAS THAT MAY REQUIRE JUST SOME ISOLATED REPAIRS VERSUS MAYBE THE ENTIRE ROAD BLOCK NEEDING WORK DONE ON IT THAT WAY. GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION. YOUR YOUR NETWORK AVERAGE SCORED AT A 92.

MY GUESS IS A LOT OF THESE ROADS ARE FAIRLY NEW.

I KNOW YOU'RE PROBABLY A FAST GROWING COMMUNITY WITH A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COME IN.

SO A LOT OF THESE ROADS ARE PROBABLY BUILT IN THE LAST TEN, 15 YEARS WOULD BE MY GUESS LOOKING AT THESE SCORES IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY RARE.

WE DO A LOT OF WORK IN THIS REGION. WE WORKED WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST OF YOU HERE A LITTLE BIT.

GREENVILLE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THE DALLAS AREA UP NORTH, DALLAS, SALINE AND SOME OF THOSE AREAS WORKING FOR THE CITY OF FORT WORTH.

NOW, MOST CITIES IN THIS REGION, WE'RE GOING TO FALL IN THE 70S AS AN AVERAGE IN YOUR NETWORK.

SO SO YOU'RE REALLY HIGH UP ON THAT SCALE AT A 92, HOWEVER, THAT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME UNIQUE, UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES TO START PLANNING NOW FOR THE FUNDING OF WHAT'S GOING TO COME WITH THE DETERIORATION OF THESE ROADWAYS.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT HOW MANY YOU'VE GOT, 83% OF YOUR ROAD NETWORKS IN THAT GOOD CONDITION, ALL OF THOSE ARE GOING TO START DETERIORATING AT THE SAME TIME.

SO IF WE DON'T HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE FOR PRESERVATION ALONG THE WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT SOME BIG BILLS COMING IN DOWN THE ROAD WHEN ALL OF THOSE ROADS START TO FALL APART, OKAY, AND START TO REALLY DETERIORATE.

TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WANTING TO SEE AROUND 60, 65 IN THAT GOOD CATEGORY.

YOU'RE YOU'RE WELL THERE AT 83. SO ONCE AGAIN VERY NEW NETWORK.

THE BACKLOG WHERE THE RED OCCURS DOWN BELOW ABOUT A PCI 40.

THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO RECONSTRUCT ROADS.

WE KEEP AN EYE ON THAT BACKLOG BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT GROWING.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE IT AND REPAIR EVERYTHING IN 1 YEAR OR EVEN 5 YEARS.

BUT YOU NEED TO START PLANNING TO HAVE MONEY SET ASIDE SO THAT THAT DOESN'T CONTINUE TO GROW, BECAUSE THINGS STILL CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE AS WE FIX OTHER ROADS.

SO THAT'S 1 OF THE THINGS WE KIND OF LOOK FOR IN MANAGEMENT.

SO WE WORKED WITH YOUR STAFF TO GO THROUGH AND SET UP WHAT'S TYPICAL MAINTENANCE.

WHAT WOULD WE DO FOR ASPHALT ROADS. WHAT WOULD WE DO FOR CONCRETE.

THIS IS JUST A REPRESENTATION OF SOME OF THE TABLES WE PUT TOGETHER TO SHOW THE DIFFERENT DISTRESS TYPES, THE DIFFERENT MAINTENANCE THAT WE'D APPLY BASED UPON THOSE PCI RANGES.

WE LOOK AT HOW MUCH IT COSTS PER YARD SO WE CAN GET A TOTAL PROJECT COST.

GIVING YOU SOME EXAMPLES THERE AND THE IMAGES OF WHAT TYPE OF MAINTENANCE FROM CRACK SEALING DOWN TO MICRO SEALS TO OVERLAYS TO BASICALLY WHEN YOU GET INTO CONCRETE DOING PANEL REPLACEMENTS. PLACEMENTS. WE ALSO DO JOINT SEAL AS A PRESERVATION FOR CONCRETE CONCRETES.

YOU DON'T HAVE AS MANY OPTIONS OF MAINTENANCE BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A RIGID MATERIAL.

WHEREAS ASPHALT, YOU CAN MILL IT OFF AND REPAVE AND DO AN OVERLAY.

SO THERE'S SOME OTHER SEALS AND THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH ASPHALT CONCRETE.

YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH INTO PANEL REPLACEMENT, WHICH GETS TO A CERTAIN LEVEL.

SO WE LAID OUT ALL THE CRITERIA OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THE MAINTENANCE.

THEN WE GET INTO RUNNING SOME PRIORITY PRIORITIZATION SCHEMES ON HERE.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT PRIORITIZATION IT'S SIMPLY JUST A RANKING.

YOU CAN RANK THESE ROADS FROM GOOD TO BAD AND START WORKING AT THE BOTTOM AND WORK YOUR WAY UP.

THAT MAY NOT MEET THE MOST FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY TO DO IT.

THERE'S AN OPTIMIZATION THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IS HOW DO WE SPEND THE MONEY MORE OPTIMAL? HOW DO WE GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK? WHERE SHOULD WE SPEND IT AND HOW? SO WE START LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE CRITERIAS BETWEEN WHAT WE CALL CRITICAL ROADS.

AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN A MINUTE. PAVEMENT TYPES WHAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC LOAD? HOW MUCH TRAFFIC DO YOU HAVE ON THAT ROAD? HOW IS IT HOW'S IT CLASSIFIED? SO HERE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW WE CAN LOOK AT OPTIMIZATION.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES OF CONDITION, WE CAN APPLY A MAINTENANCE TYPE FOR EACH 1 OF THESE CATEGORIES.

AND WE CAN PUT A DOLLAR FIGURE TO THAT. SO IN THE FAR RIGHT THINGS ARE IN GOOD CONDITION.

WE MAY GO STEAL SOME CRACKS. IT'S GOING TO COST US ABOUT A DOLLAR A SQUARE YARD TO GO DO THAT WORK OUR WAY DOWN.

WE CAN DO SURFACE SEALS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO POOR.

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WE CAN START DOING OVERLAYS WHICH GET US UP TO AROUND $22 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO RECONSTRUCTION.

OKAY, SO WE CAN APPLY THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. NOW WE START LOOKING AT THE WHITE BOXES IN THE MIDDLE.

THIS IS WHAT I CALL THE COST OF DEFERRAL. THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COST BETWEEN THOSE CATEGORIES.

OKAY PRETTY SIMPLE CONCEPT. THEN WE START LOOKING AT WHAT WE CALL CRITICAL ROADS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE YELLOW BOXES THERE IT'S ON THE LOWER RANGE OF EACH ONE OF THOSE SCALES.

THE LOWER PORTION. SO IF WE FOCUSED ON THE POOR ROADS AT $22, THAT LITTLE YELLOW BOX FROM 41 TO ABOUT 43.

THOSE ARE THE CRITICAL ROADS THAT IF WE DON'T TREAT IN THE NEXT YEAR OR 2 AND WE DEFER MAINTENANCE, IT'S GOING TO GO FROM $22 TO $48 A YARD TO GO DEAL WITH THAT STREET 2 OR 3 YEARS FROM NOW.

SO WHAT WE START LOOKING AT OPTIMIZATION IS WHERE IS THE BIGGEST COST SAVINGS.

SO IF I TREAT THE VERY POOR THE CIRCLE UP TOP THERE WITH A ONE, THAT'S MY MOST CRITICAL ROADS I NEED TO GO DEAL WITH RIGHT NOW.

IN THIS EXAMPLE, THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY OFF YOUR DATA AND YOUR NUMBERS, BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE.

SO IF WE LOOK AT THAT RANGE OF VERY POOR THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE OPTIMUM ROADS TO GO TREAT.

NOW THEN YOU WORK YOUR WAY UP TO SCALE. IF YOU NOTICE SOMETHING INTERESTING, DOWN AT THE FAR LEFT OF THE SCALE IS THE 6 FOR THE SERIOUS.

THAT'S THE REBUILDS. THOSE ARE GOING TO STAY BAD NO MATTER WHEN I TREAT THEM.

SO WHEN YOU START TALKING OPTIMIZATION, I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO FIX THEM RIGHT NOW, BUT SOMETIMES YOU GOT TO DEAL WITH OTHER ROADS BEFORE THEY DETERIORATE IN WORSE CONDITION BECAUSE THAT ONE'S NOT CHANGING VALUE. YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO TACKLE IT AT SOME DAY AND YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE FUNDS TO IT.

BUT WHEN WE DEAL WITH OPTIMIZATION, WE LOOK AT WHERE CAN WE SPEND THE MONEY MOST EFFICIENTLY.

AND SOMETIMES GOING AND SEALING A ROAD IS A MUCH BETTER USE OF THE MONIES THAN TO GO REBUILD A ROAD THAT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND FOR A LOT OF RESIDENTS, BECAUSE THEY WANT THEIR ROADS NICE. BUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW YOU'RE SPENDING YOUR MONEY WISELY WE LOOK AT THIS OPTIMIZATION AND KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME KEY POINTERS THERE.

SO WE RAN THROUGH THE ANALYSIS IF WE WERE TO GO FIX EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW AT THE CONDITION IT'S IN, IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT $6.7 MILLION. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING ANYBODY CAN GO DO IN YOUR POSITION.

NOBODY HAS GOT THE MONEY TO GO DEAL WITH THAT RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE LIKE TO GIVE YOU THAT IMAGE JUST SO YOU KIND OF KNOW WHERE WE'RE WORKING FROM TO START WITH.

WE'VE CREATED SOME CURVES. THESE ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE TYPICALLY SEE BECAUSE YOUR AVERAGE NETWORK IS SO HIGH.

I WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING BRAND NEW, IT'S GOING TO DETERIORATE.

IT'S HARD TO KEEP IT BRAND NEW. WE REALLY CAN'T SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY TO KEEP IT IN THAT CONDITION, SO IT IS GOING TO DETERIORATE. SO THESE CURVES ARE ALL GOING DOWN JUST SLIGHTLY.

BUT WHAT WE CAN START LOOKING AT IS WHAT BUDGETS DO WE NEED TO KEEP IT IN A GOOD FUNCTIONING POSITION.

SO THIS CURVE IF YOU CAN SEE THAT BLUE LINE, THAT'S KIND OF A TREND LINE OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS WE RAN RUNNING DIFFERENT BUDGET AMOUNTS. YOUR BUDGET AMOUNT IS RIGHT THERE WITH THE GREEN LINE RUNS VERTICAL AT AROUND $300,000 A YEAR ON MAINTENANCE.

AND IF YOU SEE THAT BLUE LINE, THE STEEPEST CURVE STARTS TO FLATLINE RIGHT ABOUT YOUR BUDGET AMOUNT, MEANING YOU GUYS ARE IN A PRETTY GOOD SPOT. BASED ON THIS ANALYSIS, YOU COULD SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY AND GET THAT LAST LITTLE BIT, BUT AFTER THAT IT STARTS FLATLINING, MEANING YOU THROW MORE MONEY AT IT.

YOU'RE REALLY NOT GOING TO GET A BETTER AVERAGE SCORE. YOU CAN GO TREAT SOME MORE ROADS, SURE, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP YOUR NETWORK AT AN EXISTING CONDITION OR A GOOD OPERATING CONDITION AT THAT SWEET SPOT RIGHT THERE, ABOUT 300 TO 400,000. OKAY. THEN IF WE LOOK AT THIS ONE, THIS ONE'S LOOKING AT I TALKED ABOUT THE BACKLOG. WE DON'T WANT THOSE REALLY POOR ROADS GROWING.

PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING YOU DO SPENDING YOU'RE CONTROLLING THAT PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO GET SOME MONIES GOING OUT INTO THOSE POOR ROADS ONE BY ONE AND STARTING TO FIX THOSE AS YOU CONTINUE MAINTENANCE ON THE OTHERS.

SO THIS ONE'S NOT TELLING US A WHOLE LOT OTHER THAN, YES, YOU ARE DECREASING YOUR BACKLOG.

THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE. YOU WANT TO SEE THAT RED LINE GOING DOWN. SO WE PUT TOGETHER A QUICK WORK PLAN.

IT'S A LITTLE DARK TO SEE IT, BUT THIS JUST STARTS HIGHLIGHTING EACH YEAR BASED ON THIS WORK PLAN.

AND THAT'S ALL IT IS, GUYS. IT'S A WORK PLAN THAT YOUR STAFF CAN START WITH.

IT RAN THROUGH THE OPTIMIZATION. IT DOESN'T MEAN THERE ARE OTHER ROADS THAT YOU CAN PLUG IN AND REPLACE SOME OF THESE ROADS.

I KNOW THERE'S THERE'S THINGS THAT POP UP, LIKE WATER LINE BREAKS AND EMERGENCIES AND THINGS THAT OCCUR THAT YOU, AS COUNCIL ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DETERMINE. WE NEED TO GO DEAL WITH THAT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE THE MONEY AND GO TAKE CARE OF CERTAIN ROADS BASED ON EMERGENCIES OR DIFFERENT THINGS THAT CHANGE. BUT THIS IS AN IDEAL PLAN TO START WITH, TO START WORKING FROM.

SO YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT SOME ROADS SCATTERED AROUND. I DIDN'T GET A LEGEND ON HERE, BUT THE YELLOW I THINK IS IS MORE OF THE OVERLAYS.

THE PINKS ARE GETTING IN. THE REDS ARE GETTING INTO SOME RECONSTRUCTION WORK.

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SO YOU ARE DOING SOME OF THAT. AS WE MOVE INTO 2027, YOU SEE A DIFFERENT SET OF ROADS.

THE GREEN OVER THERE I THINK IS I THINK THE GREEN IS ACTUALLY THE OVERLAYS.

THE PINKS ARE MORE OF THE SEALS. SO YOU'RE GETTING A GOOD BALANCE OF DIFFERENT MAINTENANCE THERE.

GETTING SOME MORE WORK IN HERE. WE'RE STARTING TO SQUEEZE IN. I THINK THE YELLOW STARTS GETTING INTO SOME OF THE CONCRETE WORK. SO WE'RE DOING SOME OF THAT THE CONCRETE, THEY'RE FAIRLY NEW. IT'S GOING TO TAKE SEVERAL YEARS FOR THOSE TO REALLY DETERIORATE BEFORE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO REPLACE PANELS AND DO ANY MAJOR WORK.

SO REALLY, ALL YOU'RE DOING THERE IS MAYBE SEALING SOME JOINTS.

MAYBE IF YOU HAVE SOME DIFFERENTIAL MOVEMENT, YOU CAN GO GRIND THEM TO SMOOTH OUT THE RIDE A LITTLE BIT.

BUT PRETTY, PRETTY MINIMAL MAINTENANCE THERE.

BUT WE'VE GOT A PLAN THAT GOES ON INTO 5 YEARS.

I JUST WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE REAL QUICK TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

SO GUYS, THAT'S KIND OF A QUICK OVERRUN. I DIDN'T WANT TO GET TOO DEEP IN IT TONIGHT, BUT JUST GIVES YOU AN OVERALL VIEW OF THE CONDITION.

SO BOTTOM LINE, YOU'VE GOT SOME ROAD NETWORK IN VERY GOOD CONDITION.

BUT YOU DO NEED TO START PLANNING NOW FOR MAINTENANCE IN THE FUTURE TO MAINTAIN THOSE AND DO GOOD PRESERVATION SO THAT ALL OF THOSE DON'T DETERIORATE THE SAME RATE.

YOU HAVE SOME BIG BILLS COMING DOWN THE ROAD FOR EVERYTHING.

BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU GUYS WANT TO DIG INTO ANYTHING. GREAT PRESENTATION.

I DO HAVE 1 QUESTION. DOES YOUR INSTRUMENTS SHOW? I DON'T SHOW THE SOME OF THE CRACKS AND THINGS, BUT WE HAVE LOTS OF ROADS THAT I GUESS IF THEY PUT IN, THEY THEY SINK, SO TO SPEAK, AND THEY HOLD WATER.

OKAY. DOES THAT DOES YOUR INSTRUMENTS SHOW THOSE? IT IT WILL SHOW UP AS EITHER A RUT OR A POTHOLE IF WE'RE GETTING A DEPRESSION LIKE THAT.

IT'S ALSO GOING TO SHOW UP IN THE RIDE QUALITY.

I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT A WHOLE LOT TONIGHT, BUT THERE IS AN INTERNATIONAL ROUGHNESS INDEX THAT'S MEASURED AS WE DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD, AND IT'S MEASURING VERTICAL MOVEMENT PER MILE AS WE TRAVEL.

THE LOWER THAT NUMBER GOES, THE WAY WE PRESENTED IT AS A NORMALIZED 0 TO 100 SCALE, THE ROUGHER THAT ROAD RIDES.

SO WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN LOOK AT THE CONDITION DISTRESS AS YOUR INITIAL LINE OF WHAT MAINTENANCE DO I NEED TO GO APPLY.

AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT THE ROUGHNESS AND KIND OF HELP THAT DETERMINE WHICH ONES MIGHT HAVE PRIORITY OVER OTHERS.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT 2 ROADS THAT ARE CRACKING ABOUT THE SAME, THE ONES HAD SOME OF THAT SETTLEMENT AND IT'S RIDING REALLY ROUGH, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS THAT ONE FIRST. I ALSO REALLY LOVED THE PRESENTATION.

IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. SO I WAS WONDERING IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAVE THAT SHARED OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

CAN SEE IT. ALSO, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK OVER IT BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY COOL.

I THINK WE GOT TOMMY A PDF VERSION, RIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT A COPY OF THAT.

MY NEXT QUESTION IS THESE MAPS THAT WE'LL BE USING TO TO MAKE OUR PLAN.

WILL THAT BE AVAILABLE ONLINE LIKE A RESIDENT COULD JUST GO CLICK AND BE LIKE 2027.

THESE ARE THE ROADS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING. THE OVERALL PLAN WILL BE AVAILABLE.

NOW WHETHER YOU KNOW WHAT LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT WE'RE WORKING ON VERSUS WHAT THE RESIDENTS SEEING, THAT'S GOING TO VARY A LITTLE. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING MORE ALONG, YOU KNOW, SPENDING THE MONEY WISELY.

AND WE WANT TO REALLY FOCUS ON THAT INTERNALLY AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR.

BUT BUT YES, THE, THE ALL OF THIS DATA CAN BE AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL VIEWING.

YEAH. I WAS GOING TO SAY, WELL, MY QUESTION WAS FOR YOU, TOMMY, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, BY THE WAY. PHENOMENAL STUFF WAS THAT WHEN THIS FIRST CAME OUT, I HAD NO IDEA HOW DETAILED THAT IT WOULD BE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT PROVIDES A GOOD OPTIMIZATION AND A PLAN PRIORITY PLAN FOR IT FOR US.

I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR INSIGHT IN TERMS OF HOW HELPFUL IT WAS FOR YOU AND YOUR TEAM TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS CONDENSED.

DOES IT HELP EXPEDITE THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON THE ROADS? HAVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS A GUIDELINE, IT WILL DEFINITELY HELP WITH PRIORITIZATION OF ROADWAY PROJECTS, SPENDING MONEY WISELY, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE ROADS THAT NEED THE REPAIR UP INTO THE FUNCTIONAL RANGE OF THAT PCI SCORE.

SO WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT OVERALL.

SO FROM THAT ASPECT, YES. AND AND FROM WHAT WE'LL DO WITH THIS DATA IS TAKE THIS BACK.

LOOK AT THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS OVER THE NEXT 5 YEARS, WHICH ROADS NEED TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

IDENTIFY, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT FUNDING AVAILABLE AND THEN START SELECTING PROBABLY GO THROUGH CONTRACTORS TO KIND OF PIECEMEAL OUT THE CONSTRUCTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HIT ALL OF THOSE GOALS OF HAVING THOSE ROADWAYS REPAIRED.

QUESTION FOR YOU AND THANK YOU AGAIN. THERE'S A 5 YEAR PLAN.

THIS 5 YEAR PLAN? DOES THAT INCLUDE FUTURE ROADS OR.

THIS IS JUST FOR THE CURRENT ROADS THAT WE IDENTIFIED THAT WE NEED TO REPAIR.

BECAUSE I KNOW AS IN 5 YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE ROADS THAT START TO POP POP UP.

SO DOES THAT INCLUDE YOUR CURRENT NETWORK AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW? OKAY. AND WHAT I'D RECOMMEND IS THESE EVALUATIONS ARE TYPICALLY DONE ABOUT EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS.

SO YOU CAN START TRACKING DETERIORATION. AND WE CAN REFINE THOSE DETERIORATION CURVES TO KNOW HOW FAST THINGS DETERIORATE.

BUT EACH YEAR, TOMMY AND STAFF CAN RUN THROUGH AND UPDATE THESE BUDGET ANALYSIS ANNUALLY BASED ON WHAT'S ADDED TO THE NETWORK, IN ADDITION TO WHAT MAINTENANCE YOU COMPLETED THE PREVIOUS YEAR.

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SO THAT CAN ALL BE FACTORED IN AND REASSESS WHAT YOUR PRIORITIZATION IS.

IT'S NOT GOING TO A 5 YEAR PLAN IS NOT GOING TO BE TRUE ALL 5 YEARS.

YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH. YOU START CHANGING IN YEAR ONE.

YOU NEED TO REASSESS IT AGAIN AND REALIGN ANOTHER 5 YEARS.

OKAY. AND THEN SO THIS PROJECT SO ALL THE ROADS RIGHT NOW THAT'S IDENTIFIED WERE A LITTLE UNDER $7 MILLION TO REPAIR.

CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT THE SLIDE SAID? I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT.

IN THEIR CURRENT STATE TO BRING THEM UP TO OPERATION TO THE.

AND I HAVE A QUESTION. I'VE HEARD BEFORE MY TIME THAT WE'VE HAD $17 MILLION FOR ROADS.

SO WE SHOULD HAVE THE MONEY TO REPAIR ALL THE ROADS RIGHT NOW AND HAVE A BUNCH LEFT OVER.

IF THAT'S SO, WHERE ARE WE AT WITH WITH THAT AS WELL? WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT BUDGET NOW TO SEE WHAT FUNDS CAN BE SPENT ON REHABILITATION VERSUS BUILDING NEW ROADS.

SO WE'RE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT BUDGET ANALYSIS NOW WITH FINANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE THE FUNDING AVAILABLE.

AND SO WE CAN REPORT BACK AS TO THE STATUS OF THAT AFTER WE FINISH LOOKING INTO THAT A LITTLE FURTHER.

YEAH, WE CAN, I GUESS, HAVE YOU GUYS COME BACK AND TO US AND LET US KNOW, I GUESS.

WHAT IS THAT THAT BUDGET LOOKS LIKE. AND WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCE IN, I GOTTA SAY, DO WE HAVE 17 MILLION IN ROADWAYS? I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE HAD KIND OF SET SET ASIDE FOR THE ROADS.

AND WHAT THAT PLAN IS. SO THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN IMPACT FEES AND OTHER CONSTRUCTION RELATED ACCOUNTS.

THAT'S THE TOTAL. SO SOME OF THAT CAN BE SPENT FOR REHABILITATION.

SOME OF IT CAN BE SPENT FOR ROADWAY EXPANSION.

BUT IT, IT MOST OF THOSE FUNDS HAVE TO BE SPENT ON AN IDENTIFIED PROJECT THAT WAS IN A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

ARE THOSE FUNDS ALSO THE FUNDS THAT YOU MIGHT USE, SAY TO BUY THE EASEMENTS OFF YORKSHIRE FOR WHEN WE PUT THE BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT THE RETREAT DOING THAT VETERANS WALK. AND TO DO THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO WIDEN THE ROAD, WHICH MEANS GETTING EASEMENTS FROM ALL THOSE PROPERTIES.

IS THAT WHERE THAT FUNDING WOULD COME FROM FOR PURCHASING THAT? YEAH. THE THE IMPACT FEES WOULD PAY FOR THE ROADWAY RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION.

OKAY. YEAH. AND I GUESS, CAN YOU GIVE US, I GUESS, WHATEVER, FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS AND WHATEVER IS ALREADY EARMARKED TO BE SPENT.

AND WHAT'S LEFT OVER? BECAUSE YOU SAID IT DEPENDS ON WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

WE CAN PROVIDE COUNCIL WITH AN UPDATE OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR, FOR FUNDING WHAT'S BEEN PAID FOR OUT OF IT SO FAR.

OUT OF THE CURRENT PLAN. AND WE CAN PROVIDE ALL THAT DATA AND WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A LIST OF WHICH ROADS ARE GOING TO START ON FIRST, RIGHT ONLINE TO THE RESIDENTS. YES. OKAY. I JUST HAVE A FEW COMMENTS. SO ROADWAY ASSET SERVICES, WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE SELECTION PROCESS OF WHO TO WHO TO PICK AND LEARNED ABOUT YOUR SERVICES I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY NEAT. AND IT KIND OF GOT ME EXCITED TO SEE.

AND THEN SEEING WHAT YOU GUYS PRODUCED, IT'S AMAZING.

IT I REALLY OPENS UP MY EYES TO THE LEVEL OF VERY SPECIFIC EXPERTISE YOU HAVE AND YOUR COMPANY HAS IN THIS.

AND, AND I LIKE THAT, THAT IT'S A TEXAS COMPANY TOO.

SO THAT'S REALLY A BIG DEAL. AND IN THE PRESENTATION WAS EXCELLENT.

I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE DATA THAT YOU'VE COLLECTED FOR OUR CITY WILL BE VERY VALUABLE IN SPENDING OUR MONEY WISELY.

SO, SO I THINK THE THE THE BIG GOAL HERE IS, IS 2 PART, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IMMEDIATE NEEDS, BUT MORE, IN MY OPINION, MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE HAVE LONG TERM FUTURE PLANNING BECAUSE THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS, LIKE YOU SAID, THE ROADS FAILED. WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT. IT'S GOING TO BE.

BUT HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET TO THAT POINT IN THE FUTURE THROUGH MAINTENANCE? AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE THAT AS A PART OF YOUR SERVICE TO, TO HELP US PLAN FOR THAT LONG TERM FUTURE.

SO I REALLY DESIRE THAT TO BE DONE TO TO GET THAT LONG TERM PLANNING FOR THOSE BRAND NEW ROADS, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE TO FORK OUT THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.

SO SO GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. IT IT SEEMS LIKE THE COST OF YOUR SERVICES WERE WORTH EVERY, EVERY CENT.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU CONTINUALLY TO WORK WITH THEM, BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE SERVICE IS YOU GET TO CONTINUE AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE PLANS THAT YOU GUYS COME UP WITH TO TACKLE THOSE REALLY DIFFICULT ROADS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW TO HELP THE RESIDENTS OUT.

BUT ALSO SHOW US WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM, SHOW US HOW THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE SPENT IN THE MOST EFFECTIVE MANNER.

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AND DO IT RIGHT HERE, OPEN FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE IT.

SO I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I HAVE 1 MORE QUESTION.

I KNOW EVERYONE'S TIRED OF ME ASKING ABOUT DRAINAGE, BUT WITH THE DRAINAGE ISSUES AND THE AREAS AND ROADS THAT DO RETAIN WATER FLOOD, HOLD THE WATER FOR EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME, WILL THOSE AREAS BE IMPACTED AT A FASTER RATE, MORE SIGNIFICANTLY, CAUSING US TO HAVE TO PAY MORE MONEY FOR THOSE REPAIRS IF WE DON'T ADDRESS OUR DRAINAGE ISSUES? YOU'RE CORRECT IN THAT, YES, THE DRAINAGE IS NOT SOMETHING WE MEASURE IN THIS EVALUATION, OBVIOUSLY.

HOWEVER, YES, IT DOES IMPACT I'VE STUDIED GEOTECHNICAL SOILS WORK, AND AS THE MOISTURE PENETRATES INTO THE CLAYS, THEY LOSE MATERIAL, THEY SWELL, THEY LOSE STRENGTH IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

THEY LOSE SHEAR STRENGTH. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU GET A LOT OF THAT FAILURE. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE PAVEMENT SERVICE AND EVALUATING IN THIS PROCESS IS WHAT I CALL A LAGGING INDICATOR. THE DISTRESS HAS ALREADY OCCURRED.

WE'RE JUST MEASURING IT TO DETERMINE WHERE WE ARE IN THIS STATE OF DETERIORATION.

SO YOUR POINT WITH THE POOR DRAINAGE, ANY TIME MOISTURE IS ALLOWED TO PENETRATE INTO THE SUBGRADE UNDER THE PAVEMENT, IT'S GOING TO EVENTUALLY CAUSE FAILURE. WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US TO ASSESS THAT DRAINAGE, KNOWING THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM, TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT YOU ARE DOING SO THAT WHILE WE'RE DOING THE REPAIRS, YOU'RE FINDING, AS YOU SAID, YOU'VE IDENTIFIED WHERE THE DAMAGE IS DONE.

WE CAN BE PROACTIVE IN ENSURING THAT THAT DAMAGE DOESN'T REOCCUR.

CORRECT. THAT'S A GOOD OBSERVATION. YEAH. ULTIMATELY, THE WATER IS OUR BIGGEST ENEMY.

AND AS FAR AS PAVEMENT PERFORMANCE, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, IF WE CAN GET THE WATER AWAY FROM THE PAVEMENT, JUST LIKE GETTING THE WATER AWAY FROM THE FOUNDATION OF YOUR HOUSE. SAME THING. IT WILL PERFORM BETTER IF IT'S NOT SOAKING WET.

YOU CAN GO REPAIR IT. IF THE DRAINAGE COMES BACK AND SOAKS IT UP, IT'S GOING TO FAIL AGAIN.

SO, SO JUST TO JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF HER WE HAVE A NEW ROAD.

I THINK IT'S CR 400. THAT'S A BRAND NEW ROAD.

CORRECT. AND WE HAVE THE [INAUDIBLE] IN ONE SPOT WHERE IT'S DETERIORATING AWAY, WHICH YOU CAN KIND OF SEE UNDERNEATH THE ROAD IN SOME PARTS OF IT.

SO THAT'S A ROAD WHERE DRAINAGE WOULD AFFECT A BRAND NEW ROAD DOWN DOWN THE LINE.

SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE ISSUES TOO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT 400 WE'VE DONE A FEW TIMES ALREADY NOW.

BUT WE WERE HAVING DRAINAGE ISSUES THERE AS WELL.

FOR WHICH SECTION. ON CR400, THIS IS GOING TO BE TOWARDS SOME TEMERARIOUS STATES, I THINK.

I BELIEVE. OH COUNTY ROAD 447. 447 SORRY. YEP.

YES. YEAH. AND I'M NOT SURE IF I'VE SENT YOU YOUR PHOTOS OF IT, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE DIRT IS SLOWLY GOING AWAY.

SO EVENTUALLY THAT ROAD IS PROBABLY GOING TO FAIL JUST DUE TO THE COMPRESSION OF THAT SOIL UNDERNEATH IT. CORRECT. EVENTUALLY.

I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, ANY ANY MOISTURE THAT GETS IN THE SUBGRADE OF A ROAD IS, IS DETRIMENTAL TO THAT SUBGRADE.

SO ARE WE GOING TO PLAN THE REPAIRS AROUND SOME OF THOSE REPAIRS AS WELL IF IT'S WITHIN OUR RIGHT AWAY? YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'LL BE IT. THANK YOU.

AND I JUST WANT TO ADD A COUPLE THINGS. THIS IS A GOOD TOOL.

AS WE MOVE INTO OUR 5 YEAR BUDGET PLANNING, WE ARE ABLE TO PLAN WHEN THESE ROADS CAN BE MAINTAINED.

YOU KNOW, REALLY LOOKING AT INTERNALLY, LOOKING AT SOME TYPE OF ANNUAL STREET MAINTENANCE THAT WE CAN HAVE A ROUTINE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WITH THESE, USING THIS DATA TO HELP US STAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON THE PLANNING OF THESE ROADWAYS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD WE APPROVED A PRETTY SMALL CIP IN THE BUDGET.

BUT AS WE GET THE IMPACT FEE STUDY DONE, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY ADD SOME MORE OF THESE ROADWAYS TO THOSE IMPACT FEES THAT WILL HELP FUND A LOT OF THESE ROADS THAT ARE PROBABLY ON ON THIS PLAN, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO BE UPGRADED, UPSIZED IN A MANNER TO WHERE THE IMPACT FEE IS ELIGIBLE TO PAY FOR THOSE TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS. SO A LOT OF GOOD STUFF HERE. THIS REALLY HELPS THE DATA, ALONG WITH OUR IMPACT FEE STUDY TO REALLY PROGRAM AND PLAN FOR THE FUTURE FOR THE CITY OF PRINCETON. SO VERY, VERY GOOD DATA TO USE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS WILL TAKE US TO ITEM C2 2025-266 DISCUSSION UPDATE REGARDING 2023 PARKS BOND MULTI FACILITY.

GOOD EVENING. I'M ALLISON COOK ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

AND I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT 2 OPTIONS FOR THE MULTI GEN BUILDING.

I KNOW WE'VE LOOSELY CALLED IT MULTI GEN. WE WILL DO A BRANDING EXERCISE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP HEARING THE WORD MULTI GEN.

THAT WILL BE LATER. WE DO HAVE SOME OPTIONS. SO FOR TONIGHT.

FIRST I WANT TO START WITH THE SITE. SOME OF US ARE AWARE I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE SHARED THIS PUBLICLY, BUT NEAR MYRICK LANE JUST EAST OF THE BUSINESS PARK, THERE IS GENERALLY 80 ACRES.

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WE'VE INTERNALLY CALLED IT THE TLC GEORGIA LAND.

TEXAS CATTLE COMPANY THAT WE BOUGHT THE SITE FROM.

THE TLC LAND HAS LAND THAT FRONTS MYRICK LANE, AND WE WERE DOING A TEST FIT TO SEE WHAT COULD FIT ON THIS ACREAGE GIVEN THE CREEK. AND SO HERE IS THE FIRST TEST FIT FOR THE MULTI GEN.

IS IT ON. THE OTHER SIDE. OKAY. NEXT.

SO WE HAVE 2OPTIONS TONIGHT I WILL COME BACK TO THIS SLIDE IN JUST A MINUTE.

BUT WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS TONIGHT. GENERALLY SPEAKING WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS 85,000FT².

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT A MODIFIED VERSION OF 64,000FT², THE COST DIFFERENCE THE FIRST BUILDING.

THE APPROXIMATE TOTAL PROJECT COST IS 60 MILLION AND 64,000FT² TO 85,000FT² IS THE 1 WITH SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. AND THAT'S FOR THE 75 MILLION. NEXT.

ALL RIGHT. OPTION 1. WHAT IS OPTION 1. SO OPTION 1 TAKES SOME OF THE CURVES OUT OF THE FIRST BUILDING WHICH STARTS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE ECONOMICAL.

WE HAVE SELECTED GENSLER. WE SELECTED GENSLER I BELIEVE, IN FEBRUARY.

SO THEY HAVE BEEN THE ARCHITECT AND THEY BUILD BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH GENSLER.

SO THEY SHORT THIS ONE UP A BIT TO GET IT TO THE 60 MILLION MARK.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, IT'S 100% OUTDOOR AQUATICS.

SO THAT'S GENERALLY SOME OF THE WAYS WE GOT TO THIS NUMBER IS OUTDOOR ONLY AQUATICS AND SOME MODIFICATIONS.

SO LET ME GO THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE INSIDE THE BUILDING. THE SAUNA, HOT TUB.

COLD PLUNGE. INDOOR FITNESS. WEIGHTS. CARDIO GROUP.

FITNESS ROOM. IT'S A BLACK BOX ROOM, THE TRADITIONAL GYMNASIUM AND SPECTATOR SEATING.

THE DIGITAL EXPERIENCE IN CERTAIN AREAS. THE INDOOR WALKING AND JOGGING TRACK.

THE PERFORMANCE RAMPS. I KNOW THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO SOME FOLKS.

THE MULTI-PURPOSE IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, MULTI-PURPOSE ROOMS AND THEN THE PARTY ROOMS ARE ON THE FIRST FLOOR THAT OVERLOOK THE WATER PARK AND OF COURSE A CHILDCARE AREA. WHEN YOU WALK IN THE LOBBY TO THE RIGHT IS SUFFICIENT CHILDCARE AREA.

I INCLUDED THIS SLIDE AT THE BOTTOM WITH THE RENOVATED CALDWELL COMMUNITY PARK, APPROXIMATELY 15 MILLION.

WE PUT THAT IN THERE TO SHOW THE $109 MILLION BOND, MINUS THE 1 MILLION FOR THE LIBRARY, THE 108 MILLION.

WE HAVE THAT IN 2 DIFFERENT TRANCHES. THE 1ST TRANCHE, THE SALE WAS IN AUGUST, THIS PAST AUGUST.

THE 2ND TRANCHE WILL BE IN 2027. WE HAD TO DO THAT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.

WE HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY BOND THAT HAS COME ALONG TOO.

AND SO WE HAD TO SPREAD OUT PROJECTS AT DIFFERENT SEASONS.

IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO 64,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TONIGHT, THAT FREES UP SOME OPPORTUNITY IN THE 1ST TRANCHE OF FUNDING SO THAT WE CAN START WITH THE CALDWELL COMMUNITY PARK, WHAT WE CALL PHASE 2, PHASE 3 PHASE 2, 3 TURF SOCCER FIELDS AND THE PLAY VERSION THAT WE SHOWED YOU WITH THE PLAY STRUCTURES AND THE PICKLEBALL AND SOME OF THE FUN THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT AT THE RETREAT.

SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO PUT THAT OUT, THAT THE BASKETBALL, PICKLEBALL, THOSE THINGS CAN HAPPEN EARLIER WITH THE OPTION 1.

NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. OPTION 1. LEVEL 1. SO THIS IS MORE OF A SQUARED OFF BUILDING.

STILL HAS A CHILDCARE. HAS COMPLETELY OUTDOOR AQUATICS HAS THE SAME LOCKER ROOMS AS THE WOOD FLOOR IN THE GYMNASIUM.

AND THE FITNESS CENTER LOOKS PRIMARILY THE SAME.

NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. THIS IS THE 2ND LEVEL. SO IF YOU REMEMBER ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING, IT KIND OF CANTILEVERS OUT THE ENDURO LOOP. AND IT HAS THE FILM WITH THE MULTI-COLORS.

SO THE LOOP STAYS, THE TRACK STAYS. SO IT'S A MODIFICATION TO WHAT WE LOOKED AT AT THE RETREAT.

THE BLACK BOX FITNESS CAN STAY, BUT IT WILL BE MODIFIED.

WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PREMIER VERSION WHERE YOU HAVE GRAPHICS ALL AROUND YOU.3, 380.

BUT THIS IS MORE OF A SCREEN WITH A DARK ROOM.

IT'S STILL A CIRCLE. GROUP FITNESS CLASSES, AND OF COURSE, A COMMUNITY SPACE.

SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE 2ND FLOOR. NEXT SLIDE.

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ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE AS DESIGNED BUILDING.

AND THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT 85,000FT². 75 MILLION.

SO THIS IS THIS IS ALL IN THIS IS YOU TASKED US TO FIND THE GREATEST AND THE BEST.

I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE GREATEST AND THE BEST.

THIS IS 100%. THIS IS THE INDOOR AQUATICS. THIS IS.

THIS IS AS FANCY AS IT GETS. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN HERE THAT YOU THINK, WHAT IN THE WORLD.

BUT IT HAS THE GLASS FLOOR FOR THE GYMNASIUM.

IT WOULD BE THE FIRST 1 IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE OPTIONS. WE JUST NEED DIRECTION.

WE'RE AT THE POINT OF THESE 2 OPPORTUNITIES, AND THE DESIGN IS AMAZING.

THE COST IS ALSO AMAZING TOO. SO IF YOU CAN HELP US, LET US KNOW WHICH WAY Y'ALL WANT TO GO.

THEN WE CAN BETTER REFINE THE PROGRAM. NEXT SLIDE.

OKAY. IF YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER THE LEVELS, THIS IS THE FIRST LEVEL.

I KNOW Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS. BUT I'LL GO THROUGH IT AGAIN.

IT'S THERE'S THE INDOOR AQUATICS, THE GYMNASIUM, CARDIO AND WEIGHTS.

THIS DOES INCLUDE THE WHAT WE CALL THE HIT OR THE TRX PORTION.

THE DREAM ISLAND. THE ADULT SWIM. AMAZING GYMNASIUM.

MORE OF A TRICKED OUT LOBBY. THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

NEXT SLIDE. 2ND FLOOR. THE SAME SHAPE WITH THE LOOPS.

YOU STILL HAVE YOUR INDOOR TRACK. YOU HAVE YOUR COMMUNITY ROOMS UPSTAIRS.

YOU HAVE YOUR MULTI-PURPOSE ROOMS THAT YOU CAN RENT. YOU HAVE YOUR BLACK BOX FITNESS.

BUT THAT WILL BE AT A HIGHER LEVEL. AND YOU HAVE YOUR OUTDOOR TERRACE.

YOU HAVE THE WATER SLIDES. SO YOU STILL HAVE AN OUTDOOR ELEMENT TO LOOK AT, BUT THE FUNCTIONALITY IS ALL INSIDE.

NEXT SLIDE. ALL RIGHT SO HERE WE ARE. HERE'S A SLIDE OF OPTION 1 AND OPTION 2.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. WE ALSO HAVE OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER HERE TONIGHT.

AND THEN WE HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF PARKS TO TALK ABOUT RATES.

AND. I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. FIRST, WHAT WAS WRONG WITH THE ORIGINAL PARKS PLAN THAT WE HAD? BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THIS PLAN, WE WOULD HAVE HAD A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.

I MEAN, WE SPENT WE PAID KIMLEY-HORN $89,100 TO START A PROJECT FOR ONE OF THE PARKS THAT WAS SPOKEN OF ONCE AND NEVER HEARD OF AGAIN.

IT'S THE DALE HEARD LAMBERT PROPERTY. WE HAD IN FEBRUARY OR JANUARY ON THE 27TH AT A COUNCIL MEETING.

A PRESENTATION WAS PULLED FROM THE AGENDA AND SAID IT WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO US BY THE SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY.

IT NEVER CAME BACK. AND IT WAS FOR THE LEARNING CENTER.

I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE WERE TELLING THE PEOPLE. WE WERE WORKING ON, THINGS THAT THE ORIGINAL PARKS PROJECT WAS TAKING STUFF.

TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION. AND SUDDENLY WE CAN'T DO ANY OF THESE THINGS AND DELIVER IT TO THE PEOPLE.

IT WASN'T EVEN A YEAR AGO, DURING THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, THAT A GRAND PRESENTATION WAS GIVEN DURING THE STATE OF THE CITY, SHOWING THE PEOPLE ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT WE WERE PROMISING THEM.

IT HAS NOT EVEN BEEN A YEAR. AND WE ARE TELLING EVERYONE YOU'RE GETTING LIKE 3 THINGS ISH.

WELL, I MEAN TONIGHT WE'RE JUST HERE FOR THE MULTI GEN.

SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE 3 THINGS. I MEAN IT ALL TIES INTO THIS BECAUSE WE WERE PUTTING ALL THIS MONEY TOWARDS THE MULTI GEN AND IT IS NOT A MULTI GEN CENTER AT ALL.

THE PLAN ORIGINALLY STATED WE WOULD HAVE SENIOR FACILITIES AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

WHEN I ASKED THEY WERE SAYING THAT THOSE MULTI-PURPOSE ROOMS COULD BE USED.

YOU JUST SAID THERE FOR RENT, WHICH MEANS IF SOMEONE IS A SENIOR AND WANTS TO HAVE A SPACE TO DO STUFF, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RENT IT, AND WHICH IS NOT OKAY TO BEGIN WITH.

AND THERE IS NO AREA IN THIS MULTI GEN CENTER FOR SENIORS TO DO SENIOR THINGS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE CITY FOR THEM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

OKAY. DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THE SENIOR COMPONENT FIRST.

OKAY. SO FOR THE SENIOR COMPONENT WE HAVE A 2ND FLOOR OF COMMUNITY SPACE.

CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE OR 2 WEEK. THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.

NOPE. THERE WE GO. OKAY, SO THE YELLOW PIECE, THE COMMUNITY PIECE THAT IS OUR COMMUNITY CENTRIC AREA, IT HAS MULTI-PURPOSE ROOMS. SENIORS CAN RESERVE IT COMPLETELY.

WHAT WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING IS THAT WHOLE COMMUNITY SPACE CAN BE FOR ANYONE.

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IT CAN BE FOR SENIORS. IT HAS. WE HAVE BIFURCATIONS OF SPACES, SO IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE ONE LARGE SPACE.

BUT BUT THE PROGRAMING ARE YOU SAYING FOR SENIOR PROGRAMING I THINK IS WHAT I'M HEARING.

YOU WANT THINGS FOR SENIORS SO THINGS FOR SENIORS CAN HAPPEN HERE.

WE HAVE THE SILVER SNEAKERS INITIATIVE THAT'S THROUGH MEDICARE AND SOME INSURANCE PLANS THAT CAN REDUCE THAT CAN MAKE A SENIOR RATE BECOME INCREDIBLY ATTRACTIVE. IF PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE SENIOR THE SILVER SNEAKERS PROGRAM AT CERTAIN GYMS. SO THAT'S WIDELY USED. SO THAT'S A SENIOR SPECIFIC MODEL.

BUT AS FAR AS THE SPACE GOES AND LIKE WHAT TO DO HERE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE 2ND FLOOR.

BUT IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THEY DON'T WORK OUT. THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK OUT AND LIFT WEIGHTS.

I'M ALMOST TECHNICALLY A SENIOR. I KNOW. SO, I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT JUST HAVE TO BE THE 2ND FLOOR.

I MEAN, BUT THE 2ND FLOOR IS THE COMMUNITY SPACE.

THE FIRST FLOOR IS MAINLY THE WORKOUT SPACE. AND THE OUTDOOR SPACE, OF COURSE.

OKAY. AND THEN THE NEXT, I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT OF IT ALSO.

OKAY. AND WHENEVER I WAS ON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, THERE'S SOME OF THE MEMBERS HERE THAT WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT DOING THIS.

ACTUALLY HAD ON OUR RADAR SCOPE, BUT WE KNEW WE PROBABLY COULDN'T AFFORD IT WITHOUT A BOND ELECTION.

BUT WE WERE LOOKING JUST AT A A COMMUNITY TYPE CENTER WITH A GYM IN IT.

WE NEVER EVEN SPOKE ABOUT A SWIMMING POOL. SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE THAT GOT THROWN IN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE, BUT THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT SOMETHING FAIRLY SIMPLE BUT USABLE THAT COULD BE USED BY THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

AND IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SWIMMING POOL, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE INDOOR. I MEAN, THE IF YOU EVER DRIVE DOWN 205 THROUGH ROCKWALL AND SEE THE YMCA THERE, THEY'VE GOT AN INDOOR POOL THERE AND THEY HAVE LOTS OF COMPETITION THERE.

AND IT'S AND IT'S A VERY SIMPLE BUILDING. THEY USE THAT.

AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND IT'S ALWAYS PACKED.

BUT THE ONE THING THAT THAT KIND OF CONCERNS ME THAT WHEN WAS THIS BOND.

WHEN DID IT PASS IN. I BELIEVE 2023. 2023. AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN BROKE GROUND ON ANYTHING.

AND AND I KNOW BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH AND ADDING THINGS TO IT MYSELF.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED A A GLASS. I KNOW IT'D BE THE 1ST IN THE STATE AND THINGS, BUT A GLASS BASKETBALL COURT FLOOR. I MEAN, WE NEED TO. IT'S NICE TO HAVE ALL THE NICETIES, SO TO SPEAK, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO GO BACK TO SIMPLE, USABLE THINGS. WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE IT A TAJ MAHAL, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE IT ADAPTABLE TO EVERYONE THAT THEY CAN USE IT AND COME IN AND FEEL REAL COMFORTABLE WITH IT. BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE OOHS AND AHS BECAUSE YOU GOT KIDS OUT THERE PLAYING ON THE BASKETBALL COURT.

THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE FLOOR IS LIKE AS LONG AS THEY CAN MAKE A BASKET, YOU KNOW, AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THAT'S MY COMMENT ON IT.

AND I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY ON THAT.

AND IF WE'RE, LIKE I SAID, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SWIMMING POOL THAT NEEDS TO BE INDOORS, BUT WE NEED TO MAYBE TAKE AWAY SOME OF THESE OTHER NICETIES.

NOW, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T IN SOME OF THESE BIG SCREEN THINGS AND, AND ALL THAT, THAT, THAT MAYBE INCLUDE IN THERE THAT WE COULDN'T WIRE IT FOR LATER ON.

AND IN CASE WE, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH THE FUNDS FOR THAT OR HAVE ANOTHER BOND ELECTION, WE WANT TO WE WANT TO PUT THAT IN THERE.

BUT BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO GO BACK TO A SIMPLER METHOD.

AND WE NEED TO. IT'S BEEN 2 YEARS. WE NEED TO BREAK GROUND.

WE NEED TO BREAK GROUND. I THINK THE ONLY THING WE'VE DONE SO FAR, WE'VE PUT SOME TURF DOWN AND STARTING THE PARKS DEPARTMENT BUILDING UP THERE. THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY THING WE'VE DONE AS FAR AS ANY OF THE BOND ELECTIONS, AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING THAT IT'S TAKEN 2 YEARS TO DO THAT, AND I REALLY NEED TO SEE IT.

IF YOU HAVE DRIVEN OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, SO THE SYNTHETIC TURF ON THE INFIELD FOR CALDWELL, WE CALL PHASE 1. THAT STARTED JULY BECAUSE THERE WAS A GROUNDBREAKING JUNE JULY ISH.

SO THAT'S TECHNICALLY STARTED. WE HAVE CONTRACTS FOR THE SOCCER FIELDS RIGHT NOW, BUT IT HAD TO BE IN THE 2ND TRANCHE.

AND THAT WAS WHAT I WAS SHOWING YOU ALL FOR THE 3 TURF.

WE'D LOVE TO DO IT NOW, BUT THE MULTI GEN IS KIND OF GROWING.

AND THEN THE SKATE PARK THAT WAS DESIGNED BROUGHT FORWARD PICKED TO GC.

SO WE'RE BRINGING THAT FINAL CONTRACT. SO THIS IS KIND OF A LARGE PART OF THE BUDGET.

SO ONCE WE FIGURE THIS OUT WITH Y'ALL'S HELP TONIGHT WITH SOME DIRECTION, THEN WE CAN START ALLOCATING THE OTHER PIECES,

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SO TO SPEAK. SO THE WELL, 1ST, THE SKATE PARK ISN'T COMING FROM THIS FUNDING ANYWAY.

THAT'S A GOOD POINT. BUT MY CONCERN HERE, LIKE, SO WITH GENSLER, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE DECEMBER 9TH MEETING WHEN THE CONTRACT TO USE THEM FOR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN WAS DONE IT WAS NOT DONE CORRECTLY.

WHEN AN RFQ GOES OUT, PRESENTATIONS ARE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL AND WE CAN SELECT FROM OPTIONS.

AT THAT MEETING IT WAS STATED THE CITY STAFF SELECTED GENSLER AND THAT WAS WHO WE WERE USING.

SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. FURTHERMORE, WE HAVE AS OF JULY 31ST OF 2025, WE HAVE PAID GENSLER $798,978.62. AND LAST MEETING, ALL WE HAD UP TO THAT MOMENT WERE AI VIDEOS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD DRAWINGS, AND THIS WASN'T EVEN PUT ON THE AGENDA, SO THAT THE PUBLIC COULD CLICK IT AND GET TO SEE WHAT THESE OPTIONS WERE.

WE GOT A BUNCH OF EMAILS BEING LIKE, WE WANT THIS OPTION. WE WANT THIS JUST LOOKING AT DOLLAR AMOUNTS. THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT THESE OPTIONS WERE.

THIS IS LITERALLY THE 1ST TIME ANY OF US, FROM COUNCIL TO THE RESIDENTS, ARE SEEING ACTUAL DRAWINGS FROM THEIR ALMOST $800,000 SPENT. AND IT'S JUST THAT'S NOT MUCH. WE'RE NOT REALLY GETTING MUCH FROM THEM ON THIS.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE LIKE A BIG LIKE COMPANY, BUT ALSO HOW VALID.

AND THIS IS DIFFERENT. HOW VALID IS THIS CONTRACT WHEN IT WAS NOT SELECTED IN THE MANNER IN WHICH IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, WERE RFQS WERE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL TO ALLOW US TO CHOOSE FROM MULTIPLE OPTIONS.

WE NEVER HAD A CHOICE TO CHOOSE ANY OTHER COST EFFECTIVE OPTION FOR THE RESIDENTS.

THIS WAS THE ONLY 1 WE WERE GIVEN AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THE RESIDENTS.

YEAH, I MEAN, SO THE CONTRACTS VALID. I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO OFF TOPIC HERE, BUT YEAH, THE CONTRACT CERTAINLY VALID.

YOU KNOW, COUNCIL AWARDED THE CONTRACT BACK IN DECEMBER.

TO YOUR POINT. I THINK STAFF RECOMMENDED GENSLER.

RIGHT. BUT BUT THE ULTIMATE DECISION CAME FROM COUNCIL.

BU2T ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OFF TOPIC.

AND JUST KIND OF KICK IT BACK TO ALISON. YEAH, I WILL NOTE, I GUESS SINCE FEBRUARY ISH BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH GENSLER FOR A WHILE.

WE DON'T WE DON'T SHOW ALL OUR WORK AT COUNCIL MEETINGS ON PROJECTS OF THE WHOLE CITY.

RIGHT. WE DO HAVE TWO LIAISONS ON COUNCIL THAT COME AND PROVIDE DIRECTION AT TIME, BUT ON SOMETHING SO LARGE WE DON'T GENERALLY DESIGN STUFF AND THEN BRING IT AT EVERY COUNCIL MEETING.

BUT WE BROUGHT IT AT THE RETREAT IN MAY TO SHOW AN UPDATE OF SOME OF THE THINGS TO GET ANY KIND OF FEEDBACK.

I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE BEEN OUT OF TOWN. OKAY.

OKAY. BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT WAS A TOUCH POINT OF JUST HEY, LET'S TOUCH IT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MULTI GEN WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.

IT'S THE MONTH OF MAY. LET'S FIGURE IT OUT. WE WERE JUST HERE IN SEPTEMBER.

IF YOU ALL REMEMBER I BELIEVE IT WAS SEPTEMBER 8TH.

WE HAD A COUNCIL MEETING. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MULTI GEN AGAIN OF HEY WE'RE TOUCHING IN.

SO NOW WE'RE AT A POINT BECAUSE OF ALL THE DESIGN WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BEHIND THE SCENES, WE HAVE A LOT MORE THAN VIDEOS. WE HAVE DRAWINGS AND THEN THEY'RE REDOING DRAWINGS.

AND SO WE REALLY DO NEED SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL FOR THE MULTI GEN PROJECT OF WHAT Y'ALL THINK IS BEST FOR WHICH VERSION TONIGHT.

BECAUSE THE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE.

YES THEY HAVE. YEAH THEY HAVE. SO 1ST OF ALL, THANK YOU GUYS FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

AND CREATING THE 1ST OPTION. I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE NEED TO LEAN JUST SIMPLY SO WE CAN GET THINGS MOVING.

NOW THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS MONEY UP TO START CALDWELL FASTER, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO, BECAUSE CALDWELL HAS BEEN THE PRIMARY PARK HERE IN PRINCETON FOR QUITE A WHILE, AND WE NEED TO FINISH CALDWELL.

SO THIS WILL ALLOW US TO DO THAT AND STILL HAVE A VERY, VERY GOOD OPTION FOR THE RESIDENTS WITH OPTION 1, BECAUSE IT HAS ALL THE THINGS THAT THAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.

WE DID SEVERAL SURVEYS. I MEAN, A WHILE BACK AND GOT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE OF US THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, PLUGGED IN THROUGH YOUTH SPORTS AND OTHER AVENUES.

I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD PULSE AS TO WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR COMMUNITY DESIRES FOR THAT.

1 THING I WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT THE SENIOR PIECE IS THAT IN THIS FACILITY, IT'S A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO DEPEND ON THE PROGRAMING THAT WE HAVE.

RIGHT. AND HOW WE HOW WE LAY IT OUT AND YOU KNOW, WHO'S RUNNING THE FACILITY AND ALL OF THAT.

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AS LONG AS WE HAVE THOSE OPTIONS AVAILABLE, IT WON'T NECESSARILY BE THAT YOU KNOW THIS, YOU KNOW THAT SENIORS WILL HAVE TO RENT SPACE IN ORDER TO DO SENIOR ACTIVITIES.

CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, DEPENDING ON HOW WE MOVE IT, I MEAN, WE SHOULD BE ABLE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW CEMETERY IS AT CALDWELL PARK DOING THE TURF FIELDS. AND THEY COULD EASILY, DEPENDING ON HOW THINGS LINE UP, THEY COULD EASILY MOVE RIGHT INTO THE MULTI-PURPOSE PURPOSE FEELS RATHER QUICKLY IF IF WE TIME IT. RIGHT. JUST BASED ON WHAT I'M THINKING.

SO YEAH, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THIS IS THAT THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO GO.

THAT WAY WE CAN UTILIZE OUR FUNDING A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND STILL HAVE SOMETHING GREAT FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

SO AGAIN, I REWATCHED THE DECEMBER MEETING MULTIPLE TIMES.

IT WAS ONLY 1 COMPANY BROUGHT TO US. IT WAS STATED I WROTE SOME QUOTES DOWN THAT SHOWING THAT ON AUGUST 22ND WAS THE PRE-SUBMISSION AND ON SEPTEMBER 10TH THEY DID THE INTERVIEWS AND AT THAT TIME A QUOTE.

AT THAT TIME WE IDENTIFIED GENSLER AS THE LEADING PROSPECT, AND THAT IS THE ONLY PRESENTATION THAT WAS BROUGHT TO US IN DECEMBER.

WE DID NOT GET TO SEE WHICH IN OTHER PROJECTS WITH RFQS.

WE GOT TO SEE THE COMPARISON. WE HAD TO CLICK THE PRESENTATIONS AND SEE WHAT THOSE OFFERS WERE.

THIS PROJECT, WE DID NOT, AND I FEEL IT WOULDN'T BE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO THE PEOPLE IF WE DIDN'T GET TO SEE WHAT THOSE OTHER OPTIONS WERE OR ARE THAT MAY BE ABLE TO BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE AND OFFER MORE THINGS TO THE PEOPLE, VERSUS GOING SUPER TECHY AND JUST HAVING A BUNCH OF LIGHTS AND STUFF AND PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS THAT.

LIKE, THIS IS FOR SPORTS. THIS IS FOR, YOU KNOW, RECREATION.

AND WE DID NOT GET TO SEE THE OPTIONS. WE DID NOT DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO THE PEOPLE WHEN MAKING A DECISION.

THIS IS ALL WE WERE GIVEN AND TOLD VOTE ON IT.

SO THERE IS AN ARCHITECT WILL DESIGN WHATEVER YOU WANT, SO WILL ANY OTHER ARCHITECT TO BE HONEST.

AND EVERYBODY THAT SHOWED UP WERE GREAT. SO THE DEAL IS WE'RE PROVIDING THEM THE INPUT OF WHAT WE WANTED, THE DESIGN. WE TOLD THEM WE WANT STATE OF THE ART FACILITY.

THAT WAS FEEDBACK. AND SO THEY'VE BEEN DESIGNING TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING OF THEM FOR SPORTS, FOR FITNESS, FOR AQUATICS, FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS, FOR ALL OF THESE MYRIAD OF ITEMS THAT EVERYBODY HAS WANTED BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION ON IT. SO WE'VE TAKEN EVERYBODY'S DESIRES, AND WE HAVE ASKED THE ARCHITECT TO DESIGN THOSE THINGS SO IT WOULD NOT BE CHEAPER TO START OVER. BUT IF THERE ARE CERTAIN AMENITIES OR FITNESS THINGS OR SPORTS THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO ADD THERE AN ARCHITECT TO BUILD WHATEVER YOU WANT.

BUT IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO START OVER.

I CAN, I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT IS MISSING IF YOU HAVE IDEAS.

YES. I THINK THE THE ANSWER'S PROBABLY OBVIOUS.

BUT I TEACH MY STUDENTS NOT TO ASSUME. AND SO WITH OPTION TWO, 100% INDOOR AQUATICS, I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THE AQUATICS AND THE POOL ARE GOING TO BE OPEN YEAR ROUND. CORRECT. YEAR ROUND ACCESS.

CORRECT. WITH OPTION 1. OF COURSE, IT WILL GO SEASONAL.

CORRECT? CORRECT. IS THERE ANY KIND OF COST ANALYSIS THAT WAS LOOKED AT ON THE MAINTENANCE ON AN OUTDOOR POOL AS OPPOSED TO A FULLY INDOOR POOL, AND WHAT THOSE COSTS LOOK LIKE IN COMPARISON? YES. SO ABOUT A MONTH AGO, WE DECIDED TO HAVE A 2ND OPTION JUST BECAUSE OF BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS.

AND SO WE PIVOTED. WE HAD WE HAD HILL AND WILKINSON, WHO IS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR, AND WE HAD GINZLER AND OUR TEAM WORKING TOGETHER TO DISCUSS WHAT WOULD THE OUTDOOR FUNCTION BE, WHAT STILL THE FUNCTIONALITY THAT WE NEED TO DELIVER FOR THE INDOOR COMPONENT.

AND SO THE COST SAVINGS WILL BE MULTIFACETED, BUT WE'VE BASICALLY REDUCED THE SQUARE FOOT BY ABOUT 25%.

SO WE'RE REDUCING THE BUILDING AND THE OPERATIONS BY A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

BUT YOU'RE ALSO REDUCING THE PAYROLL EXPENSES, WHICH IS A LARGE PIECE OF THIS.

SO WE HAD A WE HAVE A MODEL FOR THE 85,000FT², AND WE HAVE A COST RECOVERY MODEL FOR THE 85,000FT².

WE WERE WORKING ON THE OPTION 1 MODEL FOR THE 100% OUTDOOR POOL PIECE, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE THE SAME CONTRACTOR BUILDING IT.

SO WHILE THEY WERE PRICING THIS ONE, WE ASKED THEM TO MAYBE PAUSE.

WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU ALL A 2ND OPTION. AND BEFORE WE GOT A FULL SET OF PRICING FOR A WHOLE SECOND BUILDING.

WE NEED SOME MAYBE DIRECTION. WE CERTAINLY KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE.

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THE APPROXIMATE COST TO BUILD IT. WE KNOW YOU'LL NEED LESS OUTDOOR PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU'LL BE RUNNING IT IN DIFFERENT MONTHS.

AND BASED ON THE MONTH THAT WE OPENED, THEN WE CAN DO A COST ANALYSIS.

IF WE OPEN RIGHT BEFORE THE SPRING SUMMER, THEN THE FIRST 6 MONTHS, WE KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE AROUND SEPTEMBER, MAY TO SEPTEMBER ISH.

IT SEEMS TO BE THE TYPICAL MODEL FOR THE OUTDOOR MODEL.

SO THERE'S CERTAINLY COST SAVINGS. AND THAT'S WHY ALSO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

THE REVENUE INCLUDES MEMBERSHIP DUES AND DAY PASSES FEES.

THERE'S ABOUT 12 DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO JOIN. THERE'S A RESIDENT RATE NOT RESIDENT RATE.

THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES HERE. AND ALL OF THAT GOES INTO RUNNING THE FACILITY AND PAYING FOR IT.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT WILL BE LESS SIMPLY BECAUSE IT'S 25% SMALLER.

DID WE EVER CONSIDER BUILDING UP INSTEAD OF OUT AND POSSIBLY ATTACHING A HOTEL NEXT TO IT, WHERE PEOPLE WHO VISIT COULD THEN BE PAYING DAY PASSES TO USE THE FACILITY AND MAKE THAT A SOURCE OF REVENUE, WHILE ALSO BRINGING IN THE HOTEL TAX THAT WE COULD GET FOR THE CITY AND BRINGING A HOTEL INTO OUR CITY.

SO WE DID NOT CONSIDER BUILDING A HOTEL ON THIS SITE FOR A FEW REASONS.

PRIMARILY THE LOCATION, AND WE WERE LOOKING FOR A SITE FOR A PUBLIC BUILDING FOR THE BOND MONEY.

I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN TALKING TO HOTELIERS ABOUT 380.

THEY ONLY WANT TO BE ON 380, AND THAT WAS IN 2024.

AND AT SOME POINT BETWEEN 24-25 BOTH OF THE SITES THEY WERE LOOKING AT FOR HOTELS, THEY PAUSED AND HAD TO DO WITH MARKET RATES AND MARKET CONDITIONS. SO THE HOTEL COMMUNITY WANTED THE VISIBILITY AND THE TRAFFIC COUNTS FOR 380.

ALL RIGHT. BUT WE DID LOOK AT OTHER SITES. I THINK THAT'S YOUR QUESTION.

SO THE REASON WE HAVE 2 OPTIONS NOW IS BECAUSE WE FELT AT LEAST ME AND BRIAN, WE ARE THE LIAISONS ON THIS PROJECT THAT THE 75 MILLION WAS A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH.

SO WE DECIDED THAT, HEY, LET'S GET A FEW MORE OPTIONS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO BRING THAT COST DOWN AND STILL PROVIDE THE RESIDENTS WITH WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.

AND I, I'M PUSHING MORE TOWARDS OPTION 1 FOR MULTIPLE REASONS.

IT SAVES US THE 15 MILLION ON THE PROJECT POTENTIALLY.

AND THEN ALSO IT ALLOWS US TO BRING 1OF THE PARKS PROJECTS UP FORWARD.

SO WE'RE NOT ONLY WORKING ON JJ BOOK THE MULTI GEN, WE CAN ALSO FINISH CALDWELL COMPLETELY INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL 2027 TO GET THAT PROJECT DONE. AND THEN WE STILL HAVEN'T RECEIVED WHAT IS THE OPERATING COST FOR THIS FACILITY IS I WANT TO SAY IT WAS LAST I'VE HEARD WAS AROUND 2 MILLION FOR OPTION 1.

AND I'M NOT SURE I'M SORRY, OPTION 1 FOR OPTION 2.

AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AFFORD IN THE NEXT 3 TO 5 YEARS WITHOUT SEEING THE FULL BUSINESS PLAN.

AND THAT'S ALSO DEPENDING ON, ON VARIOUS VARIABLES THAT WE DON'T CONTROL.

SO I BELIEVE THAT BRINGING THIS FACILITY DOWN IN COST AND OPERATING COSTS WOULD BE THE BEST FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE I'M AFRAID THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY BE STUCK WITH A BUILDING THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO MAINTAIN, OR IT'S GOING TO TAKE FROM OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY. WE STILL NEED A CODE COMPLIANCE, THE DEPARTMENT.

WE STILL NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS. I THINK THAT IF THE GENERAL FUND IS GOING TO BE FUNDING THIS BUILDING, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT PULLING FROM OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY THAT WE NEED, THAT WE NEED ALSO. SO I'SM MY THOUGHTS IS TO GO WITH OPTION1, BRING THAT COST DOWN OVERALL.

AND WE ALSO ACHIEVE A 2-2PARKS AT THE SAME SAME TIME.

I THINK I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT WITH OPTION 1 AS WELL FOR SOME OF THE SAME REASONS.

AND ALSO I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A YOU KNOW, A STEP 1 TO WHERE WE ARE.

I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO GROW. I KNOW THAT AC IS LOUD.

WE'RE GOING TO GROW UNTIL I THINK I JUST LOOKED AT THE CENSUS, THE 20, THE 2040 CENSUS SAYS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE IN WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

AND I THINK THAT MAY GIVE US ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY EXPAND AND ADD TO THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS OUT TO WHERE IT'S PHASED FOR GROWTH.

SO I THINK WITH OPTION 1, IT GIVES US MORE FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND GETTING SOMETHING TANGIBLE FOR US TO USE A LITTLE QUICKER.

AND WITH LESS MAINTENANCE. SO I'M ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE OPERATION COST.

BUT I THINK WITH OPTION 1, IT BRINGS US CLOSER TO WHAT WE ORIGINALLY VOTED ON, WHICH WAS, I BELIEVE, 50 MILLION FOR THE MULTI FACILITY.

SO YEAH, I, I WILL PICK OPTION ONE. THANK YOU.IT'S ON. BEN. BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE FLOOR PLAN OF OPTION 1?

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SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE COMPARISON OF THESE FLOOR PLANS.

I SEE 2 GREAT FACILITIES. I SEE TWO REALLY, REALLY GOOD SOLID MULTI GEN, FOR LACK OF THE PROPER TERM FACILITIES. THEY BOTH LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

THEY, THEY BOTH LOOK LIKE THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY THEY'RE GOING TO BECOME LANDMARKS OF OUR CITY IN THE FUTURE.

ESPECIALLY BEING DOWN BY THE CREEK BED. WITH THE FUTURE PARK CIRCLING, YOU KNOW, ENCOMPASSING ACROSS THAT CREEK BED.

IT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL PLACE SOMEDAY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S ALL DEVELOPED AND GROWN IN SO WHEN WHEN I CONSIDER THE 2 OPTIONS, BOTH OF THEM ARE GREAT OPTIONS FOR FOR JUST THE THE LOOK OF IT, THE WHAT'S INVOLVED.

THE FUNCTIONALITY OF IT. BUT LIKE MUCH, MUCH LIKE OTHER COMMENTS THE DESIRE FOR OPERATING COSTS AND AND GETTING OTHER PROJECTS MOVING. I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS OPTION COMING FORWARD WITH THE SECONDARY PART OF IT OF JUMP STARTING ANOTHER PROJECT AT 1 OF THE KEY PARKS IN OUR CITY.

CALDWELL. SO I LIKE OPTION 1. I REALLY I REALLY THINK IT'S A IT'S A GOOD A MEETING IN THE MIDDLE YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, WE HAVE DREAMS TO TO BUILD A A LANDMARK HERE IN PRINCETON THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, PUT US ON THE MAP FOR, SAY BUT BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH THE BOND MONEY, AND WE HAVE TO GET THE MOST THE MOST OUT OF THE MONEY.

AND I THINK OPTION 1 DOES THAT. SO, SO I AGREE WITH OPTION 1.

THANK YOU. AND JUST A SIDE NOTE. WHEN WE DO THE PRO FORMA FOR COST, WE'RE NOT PAYING DEBT SERVICE OFF THIS BUILDING. WE'RE PRO FORMA OFF JUST THE OPERATING COSTS, THE EXPENSES.

AND WE'RE GOING TO USE OFFSET THE REVENUES. JUST JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

WE'RE NOT HAVING TO USE A DEBT SERVICE RATIO TO PAY THE BUILDING DOWN IN THIS MODEL.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SUPPORT OPTION 1. WHEN I LOOK AT THE COSTS OF I WISH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CHEAPER, BUT AS I THINK ABOUT PRINCETON AND AS WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE, AND AS WE ALSO THINK ABOUT OUR LOCATION IN COMPARISON TO THE CITIES THAT ARE CLOSEST TO US, WE DO HAVE TO GO THE EXTRA MILE TO BUILD A FACILITY THAT WILL HELP TO SUPPORT THE THE NEEDS OF OUR CITY. 380 IS NOT AN EASY THING TO CONQUER, AND WE ARE BASICALLY LANDLOCKED.

WE ARE FAR INLAND. AND SO TO HAVE SUCH A FACILITY THAT OUR RESIDENTS CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AND HAVE GOOD RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES. I AGREE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WHILE TO ME VERY EXPENSIVE, IS NEEDED AT THIS TIME. SO WOULD WE WHEN BUILDING THIS WOULD WE BE ENSURING THAT THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING WOULD ENABLE US OR ALLOW US IN THE FUTURE TO ADD ON TO IT? SO SAY WE WANT TO. I KNOW OUTWARD IS HARD, BUT IF WE DID DECIDE WE WANTED TO ADD ANOTHER LEVEL, WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE NOW THAT THE FOUNDATION AND THE STRUCTURE OF THE WALLS WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW WITH THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING, WE CAN'T WE CAN'T BUILD UP BECAUSE THAT'S NOT HOW IT WAS PLANNED. THIS IS THE BEST WE'RE GOING TO GET EVER. RIGHT. AND I, I HOPING THAT ALSO WITH THE PARKS AND REC BUILDING THAT WE ARE DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE GROWING LIKE CRAZY AS WELL.

THAT GOING FORWARD, ALL OF OUR FACILITIES ARE BUILT IN A WAY THAT WE CAN ADD ON TO THEM.

BUT WILL THIS ONE. IT'S A GOOD POINT. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO BE A FUNCTION OF GOING TO A 3RD FLOOR, BUT PUSHING OUT TO THE EAST WOULD BE THE MOST LOGICAL FUNCTION.

IT COST YOU DOWN THE ROAD TO BE ANOTHER BOND.

BUT LIKE I TOLD FRED, WITH TIME AND MONEY, WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT.

SO IT WOULD BE EXPENSIVE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO PLAN THE DIFFERENT PHASES.

AND SO THAT'S THE LOGICAL WAY, IS TO PROBABLY GROW OUT TO THE EAST.

AND THEN I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO ONE OF THE MAYOR'S QUESTIONS THAT TIES FROM THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION TO THIS ONE.

THIS IS GOING TO BE NEAR MYRICK AND 400, WHICH IS THE EXACT ROAD THAT HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY.

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SO IF WE'RE PUTTING THE REC CENTER OUT THERE, DOES THAT CHANGE TARGETING THAT ROAD AND ENSURING THAT THAT'S ONE OF OUR ROADS THAT WE GET DONE. SO IT'S STRUCTURALLY CAPABLE OF TAKING ON THAT TRAFFIC BECAUSE AS IT IS, IT GETS LIKE SHUT DOWN WHAT YEARLY EVERY NOW AND THEN TO BE REDONE.

WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M GOING TO RELY ON TOMMY TO COME UP HERE AND STATE HIS THOUGHTS ON THAT ROAD THAT'S NEAR MYRICK.

I'M GOING TO RELY ON HIM. HE'LL FIGURE IT OUT.

GOOD EVENING. TOMMY MAPP, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS HERE AGAIN.

SO WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? I'M SORRY. SO, AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT 400 NEAR MYRICK IS A ROAD OF CONCERN.

AND SO WITH THIS CENTER GOING IN THAT AREA, THAT DOES MEAN THE TRAFFIC WILL INCREASE ON THAT ROAD THAT ALREADY HAS PROBLEMS. SO DOES THAT NOW CHANGE THAT PRIORITY FOR THAT ROAD, KNOWING THAT BY THE TIME THIS OPENS, THAT ROAD NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ON THAT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT WILL GO THROUGH THERE.

YEAH. SO AS WE GO FORWARD WITH ANY PLANNED CONSTRUCTION OR MAINTENANCE OF THAT ROAD ALL OF THIS WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

THERE'LL BE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WILL ACTUALLY KIND OF GENERATE A AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE GENERATED. IT SHOULD TALK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF IMPACTS IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO THE LOCAL ROADWAYS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THIS SITE.

SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION MOVING FORWARD.

THERE ARE PLANNED MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES ON THAT ROAD.

A LOT OF THOSE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN PLACE. A LOT OF THE DRAINAGE AND EROSION PROBLEMS, WE'VE ACTUALLY FIXED THOSE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WE ANTICIPATE THE OVERALL STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THAT ROAD GETTING BETTER.

WILL IT NEED FURTHER MAINTENANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE FUTURE? ABSOLUTELY. BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'LL WE'LL BUILD INTO OUR MAINTENANCE PLAN, AND WE'LL BASE THEM AROUND WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SAYS.

AND THEN I GUESS MY LAST QUESTION IS FOR CHASE.

WHAT WAS SO WRONG WITH YOUR ORIGINAL PLANS THAT YOU HAD FOR ALL THE THINGS IN OUR PARKS MASTER PLAN, WHAT WAS IT OR WHY IS IT THAT WE CHUCKED THAT TO REDO EVERYTHING? BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE'S LIKE $385,000 THAT WE HAD INVESTED INTO YOUR PLAN AND WALKED AWAY FROM BECAUSE WE'RE NO LONGER DOING THOSE ITEMS. SO WHY DID WE WALK AWAY FROM THE PLAN YOU HAD ALREADY HAD FOR US? SOME OF THE PLANS THEY EVOLVE AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND THE COUNCIL'S JUST, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIES TO MOVE SOME PROJECTS AHEAD VERSUS DELAYING ON SOME OTHER PROJECTS. I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, THIS THE MULTI GEN, IT HAS GROWN FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN WHICH WAS DESIGNED IN 2022-2023. WE'RE IN 2025 RIGHT NOW.

SO AS THE CITY OF PRINCETON HAS GROWN THE PRIORITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BUILD A FACILITY THAT IS NOT ONLY GOING TO WITHSTAND TODAY, THAT IS GOING TO WITHSTAND IN THE FUTURE. BY DOING THAT, SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS DO GET SHIFTED.

AND ULTIMATELY, WITH $108.1 MILLION, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH FUNDING AS INFLATION AND THE COST OF BUILD CONTINUES TO RISE.

WHAT YOU SEE FROM AN ORIGINAL OF $4,050 MILLION ON THIS BUILDING.

WELL, TO BUILD THE BUILDING ITSELF IN 2022, 2023, TO BUILD THE EXACT SAME BUILDING IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, 5 TO 10% MORE JUST ON COST OF CONSTRUCTION.

SO AS THE PRIORITIES HAVE CHANGED DIRECTION HAS CHANGED AND SOME OF THOSE OTHER PROJECTS HAVE MOVED UP TO LIST, SOME OF THE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN SCALED DOWN BASED ON THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION AND THE NEEDS FOR THE CITY ITSELF.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS MULTI GEN FACILITY WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE PROPOSAL FOR THE BOND WAS AT THE CORNER OF BEECHAM AND MONTE CARLO ON THAT NORTHWEST CORNER. IS IT IS MY ASSUMPTION CORRECT THAT THAT LOT THAT WAS DETERMINED BACK THEN TO BE SUFFICIENT IN SIZE ISN'T ANYMORE AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE CHANGED LOCATION FROM THAT MONTE CARLO AND BEECHAM TO DOWN TO ON THE MYRICK IS IS THAT AM I RECOLLECTING THAT CORRECTLY? YES. THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS THAT PLAY INTO EFFECT FOR THE LOCATION.

MYRICK IS ONE OF THE SPINE CORRIDORS THAT ARE PUSHING THROUGH PRINCETON AS WELL, EVERYTHING BUILDING TO THE NORTH.

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ALSO, YOU KNOW, AS THE BUILDING IS CONTINUING TO GROW IN PRINCETON, IT'S KIND OF RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH, WHEN 5 YEARS AGO, IT WAS KIND OF RUNNING THAT EAST AND WEST DOWN THE 380 TRAILS OF RIVERSIDE AND SO FORTH.

SO WE WERE GROWING EAST AND WEST. NOW WE'RE EXPANDING NORTH AND SOUTH.

AND I WILL ALSO NOTE THAT THE FACILITY GTLC PURCHASED THAT PARK IN 2021-22. SO THAT SITE FOR REC CENTER WAS IN A, YOU KNOW, LOOKED INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BACK IN 2017, 2018 IDENTIFIED MEYRICK AS A MORE CENTRAL LOCATION FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE. SO AS WE'RE EXPANDING NORTH AND SOUTH, YOU'RE ATTRACTING RESIDENTS IN A MORE CENTRAL LOCATION THAN PUSHING A FACILITY JUST TO THE NORTH. ALL RIGHT. AND THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK UP IN THE REGULAR AGENDA TO OFFICIALLY VOTE ON.

SO I THINK THAT AT THIS TIME, JUST DUE TO THE SECOND TIME, I THINK I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.

IT'S GOING TO COME BACK UP. WE CAN ASK THE QUESTION BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT.

BUT LET ME ASK IT SINCE, AS YOU SAID, THAT THIS IS PUSHED BACK WHEN OUR PARKS, WE'VE KIND OF HAD TO SCALE BACK A BIT BY DOING THIS, BY SCALING BACK, DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GETS TO KEEP THEIR GUN RANGE AND WE'RE NO LONGER GOING TO TAKE IT TO TURN IT INTO A PARK? OR ARE THEY STILL GOING TO LOSE THE GUN RANGE IN THE LONG RUN? I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TRAINING FACILITY, BUT THERE ARE NO PLANS AT THE MOMENT FOR ANY ENHANCEMENTS TO MY KNOWLEDGE OF THE CURRENT POLICE TRAINING FACILITY. ALL RIGHT, I THINK I THINK THAT WE CAN MOVE ON. CAN MOVE FORWARD. YEAH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK. THANK YOU. GRANT, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

WE CAN CAN WE DO THE PRESENTATION FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES DURING THE REGULAR MEETING WHEN WE ADDRESS IT? YEAH. YOU HAVE A CORRESPONDING ITEM ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

SO WE COULD DO THE PRESENTATION THEN, AND. YEAH.

SO IT WAS JUST KIND OF TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO DISCUSS IT, BUT WE'RE RUNNING A LITTLE LONG. SO YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SKIP C3. AND AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO SKIP D.E.

AND WE CAN GO INTO EXECUTIVE DURING THE REGULAR MEETING.

AND AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO GO TO ITEM F AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

YOUR HONOR, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO ADJOURN.

I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. THE TIME IS 6:51.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.