>> I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. [A. CALL TO ORDER-MAYOR] [00:00:03] TODAY IS GOING TO BE OCTOBER 14, 2025. THE TIME IS 7:05, AND THIS WILL START OUR SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING. I'LL DO MY ROLL CALL. MISS DAVID GRAVES. >> HERE. >> MISS TODD. >> HERE. >> MR. JOHNSON? >> HERE. >> MR. WASHINGTON? >> HERE. >> MR. ERFORS? >> HERE. >> MR. DEFFENBAUG? >> HERE. >> MR. LONG. >> HERE. >> THIS WILL TAKE US TO OUR INDICATION BY STANFIGHT. >> ONCE AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE HERE, AND LET'S PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY. YOU'RE A HOLY GOD, AND WE THANK YOU THAT YOU'RE A LOVING GOD. A GOD WHO PROVIDES ALL THAT WE NEED TO BREATHE AND TO EXIST. LORD, TODAY, WE JUST CELEBRATE LIVING IN A FREE NATION. WE CELEBRATE THE BLESSING THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED. LORD, WE CELEBRATE THE GROWTH THAT PRINCETON IS EXPERIENCING BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE ARE MEETING NEW NEIGHBORS AND GETTING NEW IDEAS, AND IT'S HARD, LORD. BUT WE JUST THANK YOU THAT YOU BRING PEOPLE ALONGSIDE OF US TO BE A COMMUNITY. THAT'S MY PRAYER FOR PRINCETON, IS THAT WE WILL BE A COMMUNITY THAT WE WILL BE ONE SEEKING TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER AND SEEKING TO LOVE YOU SUPREMELY. AS ALWAYS, WE PRAY FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THOSE THAT SHOW RESPECT AND INTEGRITY AND SERVICE IN EXCELLENCE, AND WE PRAY THAT YOU'LL CONTINUE TO WATCH OVER THEM AND PROTECT THEM AS THEY PROTECT US. LORD, I PRAY FOR THIS COUNCIL THAT YOU WILL GIVE THEM GREAT WISDOM AS THEY DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS OF A GROWING SOCIETY, AND YOU WILL GIVE THEM A JOY IN THE SERVICE. THANK YOU FOR THEM. IT'S IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. >> WE ARE GOING TO GO A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER. MISS COOK, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE CEREMONIAL ITEMS. [I. CEREMONIAL ITEMS] >> CEREMONIAL ITEM. RECOGNITION OF SERGEANT LOYER AND OFFICER CISNAROS FOR RECEIVING THE RISE PILLAR AWARDS PRESENTED BY CHIEF WATERS. >> MR. MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS JAMES WATERS. CHIEF POLICE FOR THE CITY OF PRINCETON POLICE DEPARTMENT. SORRY, SOMEONE LEFT THEIR WATER BOTTLE UP HERE. AS YOU KNOW, OUR CORE PRINCIPAL VALUES WITHIN THE CITY OF PRINCETON POLICE DEPARTMENT RESPECT, INTEGRITY SERVICE, AND EXCELLENCE. EACH ONE OF THESE OFFICERS, THEY CAN NOMINATE ANOTHER OFFICER. CITIZEN CAN NOMINATE ANOTHER OFFICER, SUPERVISORS CAN NOMINATE OFFICERS, OFFICERS, SUPERVISOR, SO ON AND SO FORTH. IF YOU RECEIVE ALL FOUR AWARDS WITH INSIDE THE CITY OF PRINCETON POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU ARE THEN PRESENTED IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL WITH A RISE PILLAR AWARD. TONIGHT, WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT ACHIEVE SUCH TASK, SERGEANT LOYER AND OFFICER CISNAROS. BOTH OF THEM CAN STEP UP IN FRONT, PLEASE. [APPLAUSE] TIFFANY. DO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP [00:05:03] THE SECOND CEREMONIAL OR AM I JUST GOOD TO JUMP INTO IT? >> YEAH, MISS COOK, YOU CAN TAKE THIS ITEM 2. >> RECOGNITION OF LIEUTENANT CABRERA FOR 10 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE PRINCETON POLICE DEPARTMENT PRESENTED BY CHIEF WATERS. >> MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER JAMES WATERS. CHIEF POLICE FROM THE CITY OF PRINCETON POLICE DEPARTMENT. WITHIN LAW ENFORCEMENT, JUST DOING 10 YEARS AMOUNT OF TIME, JUST IN GENERAL, IN ANY JOB IS A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. WITHIN LAW ENFORCEMENT, IT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY PERIOD OF TIME. I WENT BACK AND STARTED DOING RESEARCH WITHIN SIDE THE CITY OF PRINCETON. WITHIN SIDE THE CITY OF PRINCETON POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE'S ONLY BEEN FOUR MEMBERS WITHIN SIDE THE CITY OF PRINCETON THAT HAS DONE 10+ YEARS WITH THE CITY OF PRINCETON. TONIGHT, I WOULD LOVE TO RECOGNIZE LIEUTENANT CABRERA AS ONE OF THOSE FOUR MEMBERS. LIEUTENANT CABRERA, IF YOU CAN STEP UP. [APPLAUSE] [BACKGROUND] I WANT TO THANK Y'ALL SPECIFICALLY FOR I GUESS, ALL THE SUPPORT AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE A LONG THE WAYS. YOU KNOW, ME AND MYSELF DOING 20+ YEARS I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES THROUGHOUT THIS DEPARTMENT, THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I'VE NEVER HAD A CROWD TURNOUT LIKE THIS FOR US. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR THE RISE AWARDS AND THE 10 YEARS OF SERVICE. I JUST WANT TO SHOW THAT OUT. THEN ALSO, WE HAD A GREAT TIME AT THE NATIONAL N, AND HAD A LOT OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT LIKE THIS OUT THERE TOO AS WELL. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. THIS WILL TAKE US TO ITEM F. MISS COOK. >> ITEM F. PUBLIC APPEARANCE. [F. PUBLIC APPEARANCE] THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS SET ASIDE FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY ITEM OF BUSINESS THAT IS NOT FORMALLY SCHEDULED ON THE AGENDA AS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD COMPLETE A PUBLIC MEETING APPEARANCE CARD PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PRESENT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY. SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE CITY COUNCIL IS UNABLE TO RESPOND TO OR DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS PORTION THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A SPEAKER'S INQUIRY OR TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO THE INQUIRY. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTLY, NOT CITY STAFF OR OTHERWISE, BE COURTEOUS, RESPECTFUL AND CORDIAL, AND REFRAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL, DEMEANING, INSULTING, THREATENING, AND OR DISPARAGING REMARKS AS TO MAINTAIN DECORUM AND SUPPORT THE EFFICIENT AND ORDERLY FLOW OF THE MEETING. >> TODAY, JUST DUE TO THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC COMMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO STICK TO THE THREE MINUTES. I WON'T BE ALLOWING ANY EXTRA TIME. THE FIRST UP IS KEN SELEGMAN. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> KEN SELEGMAN, ARCADIA FARMS, PRINCETON. COUNSEL. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE YOU ON YOUR DECISION TONIGHT. I THINK IT WAS A GOOD DECISION TO LEAN TOWARDS A MORE MODERATE EXPENDITURE ON THE COMMUNITY CENTER, MULTI GEN CENTER, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. MY ONLY REGRET IS THAT IT'S BEEN A VERY NON TRANSPARENT PROCESS, AS COUNCILWOMAN TODD SAID. WE'VE TRIED FOR MONTHS TO TRY TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT UP TO $80,000 ON A MULTI GEN CENTER, THEN WHAT IS GOING TO BE LEFT? WHAT CAN WE DO? I WISH THAT WE HAD HAD [00:10:01] A LITTLE BIT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OPTIONS WERE, HOW THE PROCESS WOULD COME AND SEE THE DRAWING, SEE, LIKE YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT A BUSINESS PLAN TONIGHT. NONE OF THE EXHIBITS PRESENTED TONIGHT WERE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. WE COULDN'T SEE THEM. THIS IS OUR FIRST CHANCE TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT. YOU'RE GETTING READY TO VOTE ON IT. THAT'S NOT REALLY RIGHT. IT WAS TALKED ABOUT SURVEYS GOING OUT, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY SURVEYS RELATIVE TO REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK THAT ONE THOUGHT ABOUT BEING ABLE TO EXPAND THE FACILITY. I KNOW, IT'D BE REALLY HARD TO BUILD UP OR BUILD OUT. BUT IF THAT AQUATIC CENTER WAS DESIGNED WITH THE INTENTION OF SOMEDAY ENCLOSING IT, THAT WOULD BE A REAL POSSIBILITY. THAT SHOULDN'T BE THAT DIFFICULT. THAT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A YEAR ROUND AQUATIC CENTER WHEN WE CAN BETTER AFFORD IT. I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF PUTTING SO MUCH TECHNOLOGY TO THE FACILITY. JUST MAKING IT FUNCTIONAL, MAKING IT NICE, AND MAKING IT AFFORDABLE, I THINK IS WHAT THE CITY NEEDS. I CAN'T SEE MY TIME UP THERE. >> YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES AND 38 SECONDS. >> THE BASKETBALL GYMS, EARLY IN THE YEAR, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL BY A RESIDENT THAT THERE WAS A GRANT AVAILABLE FOR COMMUNITY POLICING TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOLS TO USE SCHOOL GYMNASIUMS FOR BASKETBALL FACILITIES FOR A PLACE FOR YOUTH TO GO. THAT'S LONG PASSED. I WISH WE WOULD TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IN THE FUTURE. I KNOW IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT INDOOR SPACE MIGHT BE BETTER USED, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE IN THE CITY BESIDES BASKETBALL COURTS. THE OTHER THING IS, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. THE RESIDENT HAS PROPOSED A RECALL ELECTION. I JUST WANT TO SAY, OUR EXPERIENCE OF SPENDING ABOUT TWO YEARS COMING TO COUNCIL MEETINGS, TALKING TO MANY OF YOU, PUTTING IN EMAILS, SPEAKING TO COUNSEL LIKE THIS. WHEN I'VE CAUGHT YOU OUTSIDE OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, THERE'S ALWAYS AN OPEN EAR WILLING TO LISTEN, BUT NOTHING HAPPENS. THERE'S NO INTENT OR ACTION TO TRY TO ADDRESS CONCERNS. THE SAME WITH EMAILS. MOST OF OUR EMAILS, MY WIFE AND I HAVE GONE UNANSWERED, AND OUR COMMENTS HERE. IT'S NOT JUST US. IT'S ALL THE RESIDENTS WHO COME. IT'S NOT JUST FACEBOOK. MEETING AFTER MEETING PEOPLE COME HERE. RESIDENTS ARE DISSATISFIED. THEY'RE READY FOR CHANGE. IF THE RECALL DOESN'T HAPPEN, I HOPE AT LEAST IT WILL LET YOU ALL KNOW, RESIDENTS WANT CHANGE. THEY WANT ACTION. THEY WANT YOU GUYS TO BE REPRESENTING US AND WORKING FOR US. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ED CHAN. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU PRESS THE BUTTON THE RIGHT SAID ON. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? PERFECT. I CAN HEAR ME. I'M ED CHAN. I LIVE 2491 MCCRAE TRAIL, PRINCETON, TEXAS. I'M HERE WITH REGARDS TO PRINCETON PEDIATRICS, AND I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'VE BEEN CLOSED. MY KIDS GO THERE TO GET TREATMENT AND FOR THEIR HEALTH CHECKUPS, THINGS LIKE THAT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY'VE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THEM BY THE CITY TO MEET WHAT THEY NEED FOR BUILDING CODE, AND THINGS KEEP CHANGING FOR THEM. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY AS A RESIDENT HERE, WE ARE NOT ALLOWING HEALTH CARE FOR OUR KIDS BY CLOSING DOWN THE ONLY PEDIATRIC CLINIC IN THE AREA. PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. >> IS THAT IT? >> YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >> WE WON'T GO BACK AND FORTH NOW, BUT WE HAVE THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AND WE WILL ADDRESS THAT QUESTION TOO. >> I EXPECT THEM TO OPEN SOON BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE CLOSED. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. THE GUY, THE DOCTOR IS A VETERAN. HE'S SERVED OUR COUNTRY. HE'S COMING HERE TO SERVE US AND OUR KIDS IN PRINCETON. WHY IS THERE AN ISSUE? IF HE'S MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT IT'S CLOSED DOWN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [00:15:02] >> CHIRAC. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU CAN TURN ON YOUR MIC UNTIL IT SAYS ON. ON THE BOTTOM ON THE BASE. >> HI. MY NAME IS CHIRAC PARIK, AND I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THE PRINCETON FOR PAST THREE YEARS. TODAY, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE PEDIATRIC AT PRINCETON. I HAVE A ONE YEAR-OLD CHILD, AND CURRENTLY WE ARE VISITING PRINCETON PEDIATRICS SINCE LAST THREE TO FOUR MONTHS. ONLY THE ALTERNATE I HAVE IS I NEED TO DRIVE SEVERAL MILES. I CAN SAY MORE THAN 10-15 MILES, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT 380 IS REALLY PACKED SO WHEN OUR KIDS ARE SICK, IT IS VERY HARD TO DRIVE OUTSIDE OF OUR TOWN. I JUST REQUEST EVERYONE THAT IF YOU GUYS CAN APPROVE THIS PROJECT, THEN IT WILL HELP TO ME AND MY FAMILY. IT IS NOT ONLY FOR MY FAMILY, BUT IT IS WHOLE PRINCETON AND IT IS FOR THE KIDS SO PLEASE, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THEY CAN OPEN THEIR OFFICE AND WE CAN UTILIZE THE DOCTOR BECAUSE DOCTORS ARE GOD FOR US. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. JIM DELANEY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU CAN TURN YOUR MIC ON AT THE BOTTOM BASE. >> JIM DELANEY, 10530 COUNTY ROAD 493. I'M ALSO HERE TO SUPPORT PRINCETON PEDIATRICS. DR. BEAZER MOLGEY USED TO BE OUR NEIGHBOR FOR SEVERAL YEARS, AND WE FELL IN LOVE WITH HIS WHOLE FAMILY. HIS EXTREME KINDNESS IS A STANDOUT OF HIS CHARACTER. WHEN WE HEARD THAT HE WAS LOOKING TO OPEN A PEDIATRIC PRACTICE IN PRINCETON, WE WERE IMMEDIATELY VERY EXCITED. WE HAD BEEN TRAVELING TO MELISSA FOR OUR PEDIATRIC NEEDS. THE PROCESS OF OPENING HIS CLINIC SEEMED TO TAKE FOREVER. WE KEPT THINKING IT WOULD BE READY BY THE TIME OUR SON WAS TO BE BORN, BUT THAT DATE WAS MISSED. EVENTUALLY, THE CITY GAVE HIM THE TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, AND WE WERE HIS VERY FIRST CLIENT. WE WERE VERY EXCITED TO BE THERE. LEARNING THAT HE LOST HIS CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WAS HEARTBREAKING AS WE KNOW HOW HARD HE WORKED TO BRING US THIS SERVICE. PRINCETON NEEDS A PEDIATRICIAN, ESPECIALLY AS WE GROW. PLEASE WORK WITH HIM TO ALLOW HIM TO REOPEN HIS PRACTICE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANDREA EX. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> YES. MY NAME IS ANDREA ARENDAL, AND I RESIDE AT 1110 AQUAMARINE STREET. MAYOR ESCOBAR AND STEM COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. I AM HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR HELP WITH A SERIOUS ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN DEEPLY AFFECTING MY AND MY FAMILY'S QUALITY OF LIFE. ABOUT FOUR WEEKS AGO OR SO, PERHAPS 30 DAYS, NEW REPLACEMENT STREET LIGHTS WERE INSTALLED ALONG MONTE CARLO. WHILE I FULLY SUPPORT THE NEED FOR SAVE WET ROADS, THE LIGHTS THAT WERE INSTALLED ARE SIMPLY EXCESSIVE. THEY ARE INTENSELY WHITE AND SO BRIGHT THAT THEY HAVE TURNED NIGHT INTO PERPETUAL DAYLIGHT IN MY PROPERTY. THIS ISN'T A MINOR INCONVENIENCE. IT'S A PROFOUND INTRUSION. THE LIGHT FLOATS MY ENTIRE BACKYARD AND SHINES DIRECTLY INTO MY LIVING ROOM. MOST CONCERNING, EVEN WITH MY BEDROOM BLINDS FULLY CLOSED, THE LIGHT PENETRATES THROUGH, MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR MY FAMILY TO SLEEP OR REST PEACEFULLY. THIS EXCESSIVE LIGHT SPILLS RAISES TWO SERIOUS CONCERNS, A LOSS OF QUIET ENJOYMENT AND AN INVASION OF PRIVACY. MY HOME, THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MY PRIVATE SANCTUARY IS BEING OVEREXPOSED BY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT FAILS TO BALANCE PUBLIC SAFETY WITH PRIVATE COMFORT. EVERY RESIDENT DESERVES THE RIGHT TO HAVE RESTFUL DARKNESS AT NIGHT AND TO ENJOY THEIR PROPERTY WITHOUT OVERWHELMING PUBLIC LIGHT POURING IN. I TRIED TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS FIRST. I CALLED CITY WORKS TWICE. I SPOKE WITH SOMEONE WHO SAID THAT I WAS GOING TO BE GETTING A CALL THAT DAY OR THE NEXT, NEEDLESS TO SAY THAT CALL NEVER CAME THROUGH. [00:20:01] THE PERSON THAT I SPOKE WITH TOLD ME OVER THE PHONE THAT SHE WASN'T SURE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAD ANY CONTROL OVER OR IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THE ELECTRIC COMPANY NEEDED TO HANDLE, BUT I DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSE TO MY QUESTION. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT. YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL SET THESE STANDARDS FOR PUBLIC SPACES. YOU CAN MAKE SURE THAT THESE STANDARDS PROTECT RESIDENTS AS MUCH AS THEY PROTECT THE ROADS. I'M MAINLY ASKING THAT CITY WORKS REPLIES TO MY INQUIRY AND ADVISE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CITY HAS ANY CONTROL OVER OR NOT AND ALSO THAT THE ACTUAL LIGHT LEVELS SPILLING INTO MY PROPERTY ARE MEASURED TO SEE IF THEY MEET CITY LIGHTING STANDARDS. LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE AND IF IT'S THE CITY, I REQUEST THAT ADJUSTMENTS ARE MADE, WHETHER THIS MEANS ADDING SHIELDING, CHANGING THE ANGLE OF THE FIXTURES, OR USING A SOFTER WARMING AT THAT KEEPS THE LIGHT ON THE STREET AND OUT OF OUR HOMES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. FRED, CAN YOU LOOK INTO HER EMAIL AND GET HER A RESPONSE, PLEASE? >> ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL GET PUBLIC WORKS TO REACH OUT. >> THANK YOU. LEA JOHNSON. >> HI, I'M LEA JOHNSON. I'M AT 199 FAIRMONT DRIVE TOWN PARK COMMUNITY. I'M CURRENTLY IN THE PRINCETON CITIZENS GOVERNMENT ACADEMY. I'M HERE TO VOICE MY OPINION ON THE FATE OF THE PEDIATRIC OFFICE. I DON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY SKIN IN THIS GAME, BUT I AM INTERESTED IN THE BETTERMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY. I WATCHED THE LAST P&Z MEETING WHEN THE BUILDER AND DEVELOPER WAS REQUESTING THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHY IT WAS NOT OPEN. AT THAT MEETING, HE WAS DENIED FOR NOT HAVING A FIRE HYDRANT INSTALLED ON THE PROPERTY. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE FINAL PLANS FOR BUILDING OUT DID NOT INCLUDE A FIRE HYDRANT. THERE IS A FIRE HYDRANT ACROSS THE STREET, APPROXIMATELY 300 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE BUILDING TO THE FIRE HYDRANT, WHICH IS WITHIN CODE. IF ANY OF THE HOUSES NEXT DOOR HAD A FIRE, THE SAME FIRE HYDRANTS WOULD HAVE TO BE USED AND YES, THEY WOULD CROSS SECOND STREET, WHICH IS BASICALLY FOUR LANES, ONLY TWO LANES ARE USED. POSSIBLE SOLUTION IS SPLITTING THE COST WITH OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE WHEN THEY COME IN TO HAVE THEIR BUILDOUTS, ASKING THE PEDIATRIC OFFICE TO PUT IN A DEPOSIT FOR A FUTURE FIRE HYDRANT, AND THEN IT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY SUPPLEMENTED WITH THE OTHER TWO LOTS OR THREE LOTS OR EVEN VALERO BECAUSE THEY ARE ALSO RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER AND THEY WOULD OBVIOUSLY BENEFIT. I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. DELMONT. >> HELLO. DELMONT, 3841 COUNTY ROAD 770, PRINCETON, TEXAS, AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT THERE IS INTEREST IN A RECALL ELECTION WITH UNCLEAR, AND I WAS REALLY WANTING SOME CLARITY ON THIS. I UNDERSTAND THAT TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS MET WITH CITY STAFF AND ARE ACCUSED OF HAVING QUORUM. QUORUM EXISTS WHEN IT'S FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT AND THEY ARE DISCUSSING CITY BUSINESS. IT IS IRRELEVANT TO DISCUSSIONS WITH NON COUNCIL MEMBERS BECAUSE CITY STAFF CANNOT MAKE DECISIONS THAT COUNCIL MAKES, THEY'RE SEPARATE ENTITIES. BUT PRINCETON HAS SOME GREAT IDEAS IN THE CODE OF ETHICS. IT SAYS THAT THE CODE OF ETHICS 9.5 IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CODE OF ETHICS IS INTENDED TO BE SELF ENFORCING AND IS AN EXPRESSION OF THE STANDARDS OF CONDUCT FOR MEMBERS EXPECTED BY THE CITY. IT THEREFORE BECOMES MOST EFFECTIVE WHEN MEMBERS ARE THOROUGHLY FAMILIAR WITH IT AND EMBRACE ITS PROVISIONS. [00:25:03] YOU WOULD NEED TO SHOW THAT FIVE MEMBERS MET TO DISCUSS CITY PLANS IN ORDER TO SEND THIS FORWARD, IS THAT CORRECT? AM I CORRECT? >> CAN I ANSWER HOW THE PROCEDURE IS? >> GRANT [OVERLAPPING] QUORUM DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT FIVE OF US MEET. QUORUM MEANS FIVE OF US DISCUSSED THE SAME ITEM, AND IT COULD BE PLAIN TELEPHONE. ONE PERSON TALKS TO THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENTS, ONE PERSON TALKS TO THE CITY MANAGER, AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER AND THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENTS ARE TALKING, WE'RE NOW CREATING A TELEPHONE EFFECT AND IF FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS DISCUSS THAT ITEM, CREATING THE TELEPHONE, THEN WE END UP IN A WORKING QUORUM. >> A WORKING QUORUM. I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE CITY NOTES BUT THE PLAN ON LINE SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU COULD TELL ME WHERE THAT'S LOCATED. THE TELEPHONE QUORUM. >> GRANT, DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S LOCATED THE INFORMATION ON THE WORKING QUORUM? >> IT'S STATE LAW, BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT, IT NEEDS DIALOGUE. WE NEED TO JUST KEEP IT TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> NO, THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S IMPORTANT. >> WE CAN GET THE DIALOGUE. >> WE NEED TO HAVE CLEAR WRITTEN INSTRUCTION AS TO WHAT IS THE WORKING QUORUM SOUNDS A LITTLE IFFY TO ME. ANYWAY, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE THINGS DONE IN WITH INTEGRITY IN THIS CITY. I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME OUTSIDE IT. THIS IS MY CITY. I'VE BEEN HERE PROBABLY. >> YOU'RE PAST THE THREE MINUTES. >> NO, I HAVEN'T BEEN THREE MINUTES YET. >> IT'S BEEN THREE MINUTES, I'M SORRY. >> REALLY? >> IT'S BEEN THREE MINUTES? >> THAT'S IT? >> YES. >> WHERE'S THE CLOCK? I DID NOT EVEN BREATHE THREE MINUTES WORTH OF BREATH HERE. ANYWAY, SO I WANT TO CALL YOU TO SAY ALSO THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS INTERACT WITH STAFF GOVERNMENT AND CITY RELIES ON THE COOPERATIVE EFFORTS FROM OF ELECTED OFFICIALS SO YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TALK [INAUDIBLE] IN ORDER TO HAVE THE INFORMATION SPREAD OUT [INAUDIBLE] >> THANK YOU. PRESTON CALLOWAY. >> PRESTON CALLOWAY, 10140 BELL ROT ROAD, PRINCETON, TEXAS. I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF RESPIRATORY ISSUES GOING ON TONIGHT, SO HOPEFULLY I CAN MAKE IT THROUGH THIS MILITARY JUNK GOING ON IN MY LOANS. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY, I APPRECIATE WHAT ALL Y'ALL DO. I WOULD NOT WANT YOUR JOBS, AND I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE UP THERE AND HAVE MAKE THE DECISION AND DEAL WITH EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL DEAL WITH THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. SECOND THING I WANT TO SAY IS, I APPRECIATE THESE GUYS OVER HERE BECAUSE THEY DO WORK HARD. I'VE WORKED WITH MOST OF THEM, EITHER CIVIC TIME OR DOING JOBS OR WHATEVER. THEY DO A GOOD JOB. THE ONE THING I WOULD ASK AND I'M GOING TO KEEP IT UNDER THREE. BUT THE ONE THING I WOULD ASK IS THESE GUYS HAVE A GAG ORDER NOT TO POST THINGS ON FACEBOOK IN A NEGATIVE WAY. NOT TO POST ANYTHING ABOUT THE CITY. I'M GOING TO ASK THAT YOU ALL DO THE SAME. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT'S BEEN SAID THAT SHOULD NOT BE SAID. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT I'VE SEEN THAT IS NOT ACTUAL FACTS AND I'M JUST GOING TO ASK IF ALL CAN RESPECT IT BECAUSE ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD THIS PAST WEEK WAS WITH SOMEBODY FROM ANOTHER CITY IN COLLIN COUNTY, AND THEY CALLED US THE JOKE OF COLLIN COUNTY. WE'RE BETTER THAN THIS. WE CAN DO BETTER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING. LET'S BUILD UP OUR TOWN AND QUIT TEARING IT DOWN QUIT FIGHTING SO MUCH AND FOCUS ON THE POSITIVE. WE CAN DO A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING. THANK Y'ALL [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU. GINA. >> MAYOR ESCOBAR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. >> TURN OFF YOU MIC AND TURN IT ON YOUR TIME STARTS OVER. >> WHAT? >> LET ME TURN IT. YOU CAN TURN YOUR MIC BACK ON. [00:30:05] >> MAYOR ESCOBAR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M HERE, ALSO ON BEHALF OF DR. MOGI. I WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT I'M 42-YEARS-OLD, AND WHEN I WAS 17, I WENT TO A FAMILY DOCTOR THAT I REALLY RESPECTED. WHEN HE RETIRED, I SENT HIM DR. MOGI'S BIOGRAPHY TO TAKE CARE OF MY GIRLS. HE SAID, ABSOLUTELY, TAKE THEM TO HIM. THAT MEANT A LOT TO ME BECAUSE I RESPECT HIM. MY GIRLS HAVE BEEN GOING TO DR. MOGI FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, AND THEY LOVE HIM. HE'S BEEN SUPER HELPFUL. HE'S BEEN ACCOMMODATING ANYTIME THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG, A WEEKEND OR WHATEVER, THEY GO IN THERE AND HE TAKES CARE OF THEM. HE GETS THE MEDICINE THEY NEED. HE TAKES CARE OF THEIR SICKNESS. I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GUYS AGREE TO REOPEN HIS PRACTICE BECAUSE HE'S BEEN A BLESSING TO PRINCETON FOR ME AND MY FAMILY. YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? >> I LOVE DR. MOGI. >> YOU WANT ANYTHING? >> I LOVE DR. MOGI. >> THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. [APPLAUSE] >> SO JUST PARTNERS REAL QUICK. SO THE TIMER IS USUALLY SET UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT THERE. IT'S NOT WORKING. SO EVERYBODY THAT'S COMING UP. WHENEVER YOU LOOK DOWN AT THE MIC DOWN HERE, YOU ALL SEE THE TIMER UP HERE, SO THAT WAY WE KNOW WHERE THE TIME IS. THE MIC WILL SHUT OFF AT THREE MINUTES, AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE MAYOR AND ASK FOR ADDITIONAL TIME AT THAT POINT IN TIME. BUT IF YOU CAN, JUST LOOK DOWN HERE AT THE MIC, AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DISPLAYED UP THERE ANYMORE. >> RANDALL ROBERTS. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I'M HERE TO DISCUSS AND PRESENT A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO THE WATER RATE AND WASTEWATER RATE SITUATION. FOR INSTANCE, I AM A BOARD MEMBER OF THE TRAILS AT RIVERSTONE, HOA. CURRENTLY IN OUR RECENT BILL, WE RECEIVED A BILL FOR A TOTAL OF $3,300, WHICH IS PRETTY AVERAGE FOR THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR. OF COURSE, IT GOES UP WITH SUMMER, GOES DOWN WITH WINTER. UNFORTUNATELY, THOUGH, OF THAT 3,300 TOTAL THAT WE PAY, 910 OF IT GOES TO A SEWER CHARGE, WHICH IS BASED ON THE ENTIRE WATER CONSUMPTION. UNFORTUNATELY, THE ONLY BUILDING THAT HAS ANY SEWER SERVICE IN IT, THAT METER READS 80 GALLONS. WE ARE PAYING $910 THAT MONTH HIGHER OR LOWER FOR 80 GALLONS GOING DOWN THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM. THE REMAINING AMOUNT IS ALL IRRIGATION. I WENT AND MET WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT. WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS. I PROPOSED SOME IDEAS, AND BASICALLY THE BOTTOM LINE I GOT WAS, WE ONLY DO WHAT WE'RE TOLD. I TRIED TO CONTACT THE CITY THROUGH THE PHONE. I GOT TO THE ADMIN VOICEMAIL BOX, WHICH IS FULL. YOU CAN'T LEAVE A MESSAGE. IT JUST SAYS ADMIN VOICEMAIL BOX IS FULL, AND IT HANGS UP ON YOU. I HAVE EMAILED AND WRITTEN PEOPLE AT PUBLIC WORKS, AND I'VE GOTTEN NO RESPONSE BACK. WITH THAT, THE FUNNY PART IS THAT $3,300 TOTAL WATER BILL. THAT IS ONLY 40% OF THE ACTUAL WATER WE'RE USING. SIXTY PERCENT OF OUR METERS READ ZERO EVERY MONTH. THEY DO THAT DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE'VE REPORTED TO THE CITY FOR THREE YEARS THAT WE HAVE DEAD METERS. OUR MAINTENANCE COMPANY HAS REPORTED TO THE CITY THAT WE HAVE DEAD METERS. SO OUR SEWER CHARGE WOULD ACTUALLY BE A LOT HIGHER. IN THE MEANTIME, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY CONSIDER SOMETHING THAT OTHER CITIES IN THE COUNTY HAVE CONSIDERED, WHICH IS IRRIGATION RATES, FARM RATES, LIVESTOCK RATES, AND OTHER RATES. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE STEAM GENERATION HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE MINERAL COMMERCIAL WORKS HERE. I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE CITY. [00:35:01] BUT MANY OF THEM HAVE DIFFERENT RATES FOR DIFFERENT USES. [INAUDIBLE] >> YOU TIME'S UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> OFFICER CRAWFORD, COULD YOU PASS THIS TO HIM, PLEASE? I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE DIFFERENT RATES. >> SURE. >> THANK YOU. >> I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU TOO. HOW MANY METERS DO YOU HAVE? SIR, RANDALL, HOW MANY METERS DO YOU HAVE? >> WE HAVE 14 WATER METERS. EIGHT OF THEM DON'T WORK. >> THE 60 GALLON ZONE. I'M GUESSING YOUR CLUBHOUSE THAT'S ONE [OVERLAPPING]. >> THAT'S FOR THE POOL HOUSE THAT HAS TWO TOILETS AND 26 SINKS IN IT AND IT'S CLOSED. >> THANKS SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> JASON? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> SORRY. >> MY NAME IS JASON LOYY. I LIVE IN BRIDGEWATER COMMUNITY, WHICH I KNOW IS IN THE COUNTY. FIRST TIME ON THIS SIDE OF THE PODIUM. I NORMALLY SAT OVER THERE FOR SIX YEARS, NOT HERE IN ANOTHER CITY. BUT IT'S INTERESTING. I'M HERE ALSO TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PRINCETON PEDIATRICS. I'M SPEAKING AS A PRINCETON ISD RESIDENT AND A PARENT TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN OVER THE CONTINUED CLOSURE OF PRINCETON PEDIATRICS AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE FINAL PLAT FP 20244618. MY FAMILY AND MANY OTHERS HERE ARE RELYING ON THIS CLINIC FOR OUR PEDIATRIC CARE. IT WAS BUILT AND OPENED IN GOOD FAITH BY A US ARMY VETERAN AND PEDIATRICIAN WHO HAS LIVED IN PRINCETON FOR NEARLY A DECADE. THE CITY'S OWN REPORT STATES THAT THIS PROJECT WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED FOR CONSTRUCTION BY THE PREVIOUS CITY ADMINISTRATION. THAT ADMISSION CONFIRMS THAT THIS CLINIC FOLLOWED EVERY REQUIRED STEP AND RECEIVED AUTHORIZATION TO BUILD AND OPEN. SINCE MAY OF 2025, PRINCETON PEDIATRICS HAS REMAINED CLOSED, AND THEY'VE HAD TO USE OTHER OFFICES AT ADHOC. AS THE DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO CHANGE THE REQUIREMENTS ON THEM, FIRST OVER DRAINAGE, WHICH THEY MET, NOW OVER A FIRE HYDRANT. THE REPORT ALSO ADMITS THAT THE CITY'S ENGINEERING TEAM DID NOT REVIEW THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. THAT IS A CITY OVERSIGHT, NOT THE FAULT OF A COMPLIANT BUSINESS. LICENSED TEXAS ENGINEER EDWARD C ROPE ROBINSON CERTIFIED ON JULY 11, 2025 THAT THE PROPERTY MEETS SECTION 36-52 OF THE CITY'S CODE AND HAS NO LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE. DESPITE THIS PROFESSIONAL VERIFICATION, THE CITY CONTINUES TO CLAIM NON COMPLIANCE WITHOUT CITING ANY SPECIFIC ORDINANCE. MEANWHILE, NEARBY BUSINESSES OPERATE UNDER THE SAME CONDITIONS SHOWING INCONSISTENT ENFORCEMENT. PRINCETON PEDIATRICS HAS DONE EVERYTHING ASKED OF THEM. THEY HAVE INVESTED MONEY, TIME AND EFFORT TO SERVE LOCAL FAMILIES. DENYING THEIR PLAT PUNISHES A VETERAN OWNED BUSINESS FOR A CITY'S OWN ADMINISTRATIVE MISTAKES AND LEAVES PRINCETON FAMILIES WITHOUT LOCAL PEDIATRIC CARE. I RESPECTFULLY URGE THE COUNCIL TO REJECT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE PLAT, AND DIRECT CITY STAFF TO INSTEAD WORK WITH PRINCETON PEDIATRICS ON A FAIR, TIMELY RESOLUTION, AND RESTORE ESSENTIAL HEALTHCARE SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> ALBERT LOTT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> ALBERT LOTT, ARCADIA FARMS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MY FELLOW CITIZENS OF PRINCETON. I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE RECENT DISCOURTEOUS AND ILL MANNERED WORDS ADDRESSED TOWARDS ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ALBERT LOTT, AND I SERVE ON THE CITY'S EDC COMMITTEE. BUT TONIGHT I'M SPEAKING NOT JUST AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER. I'M SPEAKING AS A PROUD CITIZEN OF PRINCETON, WHO CARES DEEPLY ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE WHO MAKE IT WHAT IT IS. SPEND A LOT OF CONTROVERSY, A LOT OF CONVERSATION LATELY ABOUT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON AND HIS DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BOTH AN AUDIT AND ALSO A RECALL. I KNOW THESE TOPICS ARE EMOTIONAL FOR MANY, AND I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SPEAK ON THEM FROM PLACE OF UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECT. FIRST, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT COUNCIL JOHNSON IS DOING WHAT HE BELIEVES IS RIGHT, FOLLOWING THROUGH WHAT CITIZENS HAVE ASKED HIM TO DO. WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR YOU DISAGREE WITH IT. THE AUDIT OR THE RECALL, IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE HERE TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE. WHEN CITIZENS SPEAK, THEY HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO LISTEN AND ACT. THAT'S WHAT LEADERSHIP LOOKS INTO DEMOCRACY. MY SHORT TIME WORKING ALONGSIDE COUNCILMAN JOHNSON ON EDC COMMITTEE, [00:40:02] I'VE SEEN FIRSTHAND HIS RESPECT FOR OTHERS, HIS HONESTY, AND A GENUINE DESIRE TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY OF PRINCETON. HE LISTENS, HE COLLABORATES, AND HE LEAVES WITH A HEART FOR THE COMMUNITY, EVEN WHEN THE DECISIONS BEFORE HIM ARE NOT EASY. NOW, I WANT TO BE CLEAR. I'M NOT HERE TO TAKE ANYBODY'S SIDES. I'M NOT FOR IT, I'M NOT AGAINST IT. I'M HERE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS PROCESS IS PART OF HOW OUR SYSTEM WORKS. IT IS A REFLECTION OF THE FACT THAT PRINCETON HAS ACTIVE, ENGAGED CITIZENS WHO ACTUALLY CARE ENOUGH TO GET INVOLVED. THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF, NOT DIVIDED OVER. AS SOMEONE WHO WORKS CLOSELY WITH THE CITY THROUGH THE EDC COMMITTEE, I COULD TELL YOU THAT THE GROWTH DOESN'T JUST HAPPENS THROUGH NEW BUSINESSES OR BUILDINGS. IT HAPPENS THROUGH TRUST. WHEN CITIZENS TRUST THAT THEIR VOICE MATTER, OUR CITY BECOMES STRONGER. WHEN LEADERS LISTEN, EVEN WHEN IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE, OUR COMMUNITY BECOMES MORE UNITED. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS WHERE WE HAVE TO REMIND OURSELVES THAT THIS AGREEMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO MEAN DIVISION. WE HOLD DIFFERENT VIEWS, STILL MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER. WE COULD SUPPORT OUR LEADERS, OR ALSO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. THAT'S WHAT HEALTHY GOVERNANCE LOOK LIKE. EVERYONE HERE TONIGHT, AND THOSE WATCHING FROM HOME. LET'S KEEP PARTICIPATING. LET'S KEEP SPEAKING UP, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, LET'S KEEP RESPECTING ONE ANOTHER. BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING, A BETTER, STRONGER PRINCETON FOR OUR FAMILIES, OUR NEIGHBORS, AND OUR FUTURE. AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AS A CITY, LET'S MAKE SURE WE GROW TOGETHER. THANK YOU, GUYS. >> THANK YOU. GLENN CODY. >> HELLO, MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AT A MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. COUNCILMEMBER TODD REMOVED THE ETJ THING ON THE FEES, WHICH WAS APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU FOR REMOVING THAT AND VOTING THAT DOWN. THAT WAS GOOD. REALLY APPRECIATE THAT AS WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO VOTE FOR YOU GUYS. THE MAIN REASON I'M HERE IS I WANT TO THANK THE COUNSEL PROVIDING US A FORM TO SPEAK TO YOU AND TO INFORM THE PUBLIC. IN OUR COUNTRY, WE HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK. THAT RIGHT COMES WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY TO BE TRUTHFUL IN WHAT WE SAY AND TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO DISPARAGE OTHERS BY MISREPRESENTING THE FACTS OR TELLING HALF TRUTHS WITH A PLAN TO DECEIVE. THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT THIS IN THE BOOK OF GENESIS WHEN SATAN DECEIVED EVE AND GAVE HER A HALF TRUTH, AND SHE FELL FOR IT. I HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE THAT THERE IS AT LEAST ONE COUNCILMEMBER THAT IS DISPARAGING COUNCILMEMBER BEN LONG AND COUNCILMEMBER CAROLYN GRAVES STEVES BY MAKING FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST THEM. I HAVE WATCHED THE FACEBOOK POST VIDEO THAT PURPORTS TO PROVE OF WRONGDOING. THIS VIDEO PROVES NOTHING, AND EITHER THE CREATOR OF IT HAS NO UNDERSTANDING OF PROPER FUNCTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL'S ROLE OR IS JUST TRYING TO DECEIVE OTHERS. I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD SEVERAL INTERACTIONS WITH BOTH COUNCILMEMBER BEN LONG AND COUNCILMEMBER CAROLYN DAVIS-GRAVES, AND KNOW THEM TO BE HONEST INDIVIDUALS. THEY HAVE REPRESENTED THE CITY WITH INTEGRITY AND ARE RESPONSIVE AND THOUGHTFUL IN THEIR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF PRINCETON. COUNCILMEMBERS, LET'S PUT ASIDE THIS PETTINESS. LET'S WORK TOGETHER AND BE A CITY THAT WE CAN TAKE PRIDE IN, AND THAT OTHER CITIES DON'T LAUGH AT. WE CAN DO THIS. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] DAKOTA KYLER. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> HI, MY NAME IS DAKOTA KYLER. I'M A RESIDENT IN WINCHESTER CROSSING. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS DAKOTA KYLER. I'M A VETERAN. I'M AN AEROSPACE ENGINEER, AND I HOLD AN MBA. I'VE HELPED BUILD BUSINESSES IN COLLIN COUNTY FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE IN PRINCETON AMONG THE NEIGHBORS OF WINCHESTER CROSSING AND ARCADIA FARMS. I WANT TO SPEAK WITH DEEP CONCERN AS A CITIZEN DEDICATED TO UNITY, ECONOMIC PROGRESS, AND THE TRUE ACCOUNTABILITY OF OUR CITY'S FUTURE. [00:45:01] I WANT TO STAND TO OPPOSE THE RECALL, THE TWO DEDICATED COUNCIL MEMBERS, COUNCILMEMBER DAVID GRAVES, AND COUNCILMEMBER LONG. I FEEL LIKE THIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN AN EMOTIONAL OUTRAGE TOWARDS THESE TWO PEOPLE USED TO INCITE SOME REACTION OR TO CLEAN HOUSE. >> ULTIMATELY, WE'RE SACRIFICING OUR CITY'S FORWARD MOMENTUM FOR THESE PERSONAL AGENDAS. NOW, WE ARE CURRENTLY WITNESSING A PERSONAL VENDETTA OF ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THE DETRIMENT TO OUR GROWING CITY. OUR POPULATION IS SOARING, AND PRINCETON URGENTLY NEEDS ROADS, SCHOOLS AND BUSINESSES LIKE GROCERY STORES TO THRIVE. YET, HERE WE ARE. THE THE RECALL LEADERS ACTIONS UNDERMINE THESE NEEDS. RECENTLY, I WITNESSED THE COUNCIL MEMBER MISS PETERS DELAYING A PET SHOP SCREENING FOR TWO HOURS DUE TO A LACK OF OPERATIONAL KNOWLEDGE. THIS CREATES RISK, WHICH REPELS LOCAL INVESTMENT. SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS I SPOKE TO DURING THAT TIME MENTIONED, NOBODY WANTS TO DO BUSINESS HERE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER. I DON'T LIKE HEARING THAT. THIS IS MY HOME. I WANT TO SEE PRINCETON SUCCEED. AN OBSESSION WITH A BACKWARD LOOKING AUDIT IN THIS RECALL DIVERTS THE ENERGY AND FOCUS FROM THE SOLUTIONS WE NEED NOW. AS SOMEONE WHO'S GROWN BUSINESSES IN COLLIN COUNTY, I KNOW ACCOUNTABILITY MEANS DELIVERING RESULTS, NOT STALLING GROWTH, YET THESE ACTIONS ALONG WITH THE RECALL ARE HOLDING OUR CITY BACK. THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TARGETED ARE WORKING TIRELESSLY FOR US. ONE IS A MAN OF DEEP FAITH WHO BRINGS EXPERTISE IN BUILDING SCHOOLS, AND THAT LAYS A FOUNDATION FOR OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE, AND HE HAS WITNESSED SETBACKS FROM THE INVISIBLE HAND OF DR HORTON, LIKE MANY OF US HAVE IN WINCHESTER CROSSING AS WELL. HE DOES REPRESENT US IN A WAY. HIS HIS COLLEAGUE, CHAMPIONS, PARKS AND COMMUNITY EVENTS AT MS PRINCETON AT TRUE HOME. THEIR VOTES ON ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT, BALANCED GROWTH WITH OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. A RECALL WOULD DERAIL THEIR EFFORTS IN WASTE TAX DOLLARS AND FRACTURE OUR COMMUNITY WHEN UNITY IS CRITICAL. HONESTLY, IT'S TIME TO START ACTING LIKE AN ADULT IN THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS SO WE CAN GROW PROPERLY. TO THE RECALL ATOR AND THE MAYOR. I RESPECT AND DESIRE FOR CHANGE. BUT LET'S CHANNEL IT CONSTRUCTIVELY, THE DEVICE OF PETITIONS AND WORK TOGETHER TO ATTRACT JOBS AND BUSINESSES. PRINCETON PROSPERS WHEN WE COLLABORATE, NOT WHEN WE SPLINTER OVER PERSON. THAT WAS MINUTE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. DASHAUNA WALKER. DASHAUNA WALKER. >> HONORABLE MAYOR, ESCOBAR. COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I AM HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF COUNCILMAN TERRENCE JOHNSON. OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS, I HAVE SEEN COUNCILMAN JOHNSON LABELED AS A TROUBLEMAKER, AND THAT HE SHOULD GO ALONG TO GET ALONG. OVER THE YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL WORDS OR PHRASES USED TO DESCRIBE HIM AND HIS CHARACTER, SUCH AS RELIABLE, ETHICAL, COMMUNITY DRIVEN, HONEST, A PERSON OF INTEGRITY, HONORABLE AND SELFLESS, BUT NEVER HAVE I HEARD HIM DESCRIBED AS A TROUBLEMAKER. GOING ALONG TO GET ALONG INFERS CONFORMING TO THE DICTATES AND WILL OF OTHERS IN ORDER TO AVOID CONFLICT, DEBATE, AND OR TO GAIN ACCEPTANCE. SOMETIMES AT THE COST OF SOCIETAL GOOD AND PERSONAL ETHICS. IN A RECENT INTERVIEW WITH THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, THE CITY OF TERRELL SAID THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE THE NEXT PRINCETON. THAT WAS NOT A COMPLIMENT. AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME, COURSE CORRECTION SHOULD HAVE COME A LONG TIME AGO, BUT THE STATUS QUO CONTINUES TO FOLLOW US. RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN LABORIOUSLY EXPOSING MAJOR ISSUES WITHIN THE CITY'S PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES AND PRESENTING THEM TO OUR COUNCIL. THINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED AND OR IMPLEMENTED BY CITY LEADERSHIP. WE ONLY NEED TO LOOK BACK AT THE WATER BILLING FIASCO TO SEE HOW A LACK OF COORDINATED EFFORT AND ACCOUNTABILITY CAN LEAD TO MISTRUST AMONG THE CITY'S RESIDENTS. THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER INSTANCES WHERE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE HAS NOT BEEN TRANSPARENT. BUT THAT IS WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE ASKING FOR. INDEED, DEMANDING TRANSPARENCY AND HONESTY IN YOUR DEALINGS ON THEIR BEHALF. I ASK THAT RESIDENTS WATCH THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, BE ATTENTIVE AND LISTEN TO HOW YOUR ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE AND IF THEY ARE SERVING THE CITY'S INTERESTS, AND BY EXTENSION, YOURS. WATCH AND LISTEN TO WHO IS NOT AFRAID TO ASK THE QUESTIONS AND BRING THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS STRAIGHT TO THE DIAS. [00:50:01] I ALSO ASK THAT YOU GO BACK AND WATCH COUNCILMAN JOHNSON'S TIME ON THE EDC. AS A FORMER EMPLOYEE OF BOTH THE EDC AND CDC, I WAS PRESENT IN ROOMS AND MEETINGS AND WITNESSED COUNCILMAN JOHNSON ACT IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST WITHOUT FAIL AND WITH CONSISTENT INTEGRITY, EVEN WHEN IT WASN'T EASY OR POPULAR. THE EFFORT HE HAS PUT FORTH HAS ALWAYS BEEN WITH AN EYE TOWARDS WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY OF PRINCETON AND OUR RESIDENTS. AND NOW, SERVING ON THE COUNCIL, I RESPECT THAT HE HAS NEVER SWAYED AWAY FROM THAT, JUST TO CONFORM TO THE POLITICAL NORMS. TRUE PUBLIC SERVICE MEANS SERVING THE PEOPLE AND THEIR INTERESTS ABOVE ALL ELSE. IT SHOULD NEVER BE ABOUT PARTY OVER PEOPLE, PERSONAL INTERESTS, AMBITIONS. >> THE TIME IS UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [INAUDIBLE] >> HELLO, EVERYONE. COUNCIL. MADELINE A WALT, 1652 RATAMA. I'M ACTUALLY NOT SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MAXINE ELLIS BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. SHE HAD SOME REMARKS SHE WANTED ME TO SHARE. I'M READING HER SPEECH. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT ON MAXINE ELLIS' BEHALF. AS MAXINE MENTIONED AT THE LAST, COUNCIL MEETING, EACH OF YOU SITTING UP THERE NEED TO THINK AND FOCUS ON THE RESIDENTS OF PRINCETON AS WE VOTED YOU TO BE OUR VOICE, AND IF YOU CAN'T BE OUR VOICE, THEN YOU SHOULD RETHINK IF THIS IS RIGHT FOR YOU. DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE RESIDENTS. MAXINE ALSO WANTS TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO A FEW ITEMS REGARDING THE MULTI GEN CONTRACT YOU'LL BE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING. IT SEEMS THE RFQ PROCESS WAS NOT COMPLETED PROPERLY. THE FOLLOWING WAS THE PROCESS QUOTED AS PER CHASE BRYANT ON DECEMBER 9, CITY COUNCIL. AUGUST 15, WE ISSUED AN RFQ, WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS FROM A QUALIFIED CANDIDATES AND DIFFERENT ARCHITECT FIRMS, AUGUST 22, WE HAD A PRE SUBMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 10, WE TOOK IT ALL IN. OF THESE CANDIDATES AND OPEN SEALED BIDS INTERVIEWED SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER, WE HAD THREE FIRMS THAT WERE REALLY IDENTIFIED AS THAT THEY WERE INTERVIEWED BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS AND THE MAGNITUDE OF THE FACILITY THAT WE HAD AT HAND. THEN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER AT THAT TIME, WE IDENTIFIED GENSLER AS THE LEADING PROSPECT. THIS IS A TEAM THAT HAS BUILT NUMEROUS FACILITIES AND SOMETHING THAT THEY HANDLE THE SIZE AND MAGNITUDE OF WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT. HER QUESTION AFTER REVIEWING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS FROM AUGUST 15 ROUGH DECEMBER 9, WHEN THE RFQS WERE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL AND APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL AS IT IS NOT RECORDED IN ANY MEETINGS. IF IN FACT, THE COUNCIL DID NOT APPROVE THIS RFQ TO USE GENSLER, HOW CAN WE HONESTLY LEGALLY USE GENSLER THIS PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED AGAIN FOLLOWING ALL THE PROPER PROCEDURES. WE DO NOT NEED A ROLLS ROYCE. WE ONLY NEED A CADILAC, CHEVROLET, OR FORD. ALSO, THIS MULTI GEN CENTER WILL BE A TARGET FOR ALL AGES. WE WILL OFFER SENIOR CITIZEN PROGRAMS WHERE ARE THESE. THE RESIDENTS APPROVED $109 MILLION BOND, AND DESIGNATED HOW THEY WANT IT SPENT. SPEND OUR MONEY AS WE APPROVED IT, GIVE THE RESIDENTS WHAT THEY APPROVED, AND NOT WHAT YOU WANT. SHE WOULD ALSO LIKE YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THE EDC GRANT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN TO THE PRINCETON PEDIATRICS PRIOR TO THE EDCCO, COMING ON AND SAYING, ABSOLUTELY NOT. REMEMBER, SMALL BUSINESSES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. ALSO, TERRENCE IS TOTALLY WITHIN HIS RIGHT TO SAY WHAT HE NEEDED TO SAY TO DEFEND THE COUNCIL AND THE PEOPLE OF PRINCETON. >> THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] >> GOOD EVENING. I'M SIRI, PATEL, LIVE IN 1226 SARI DRIVE PRINCETON, TEXAS 75407. OTHER IS MY MOTHER. SHE'S VISITING FROM INDIA, AND MY MOM WANTS TO SHARE A MESSAGE IN TELUGU, AND I WILL BE A TRANSLATOR FOR HER FOR THIS EVENING. >> [FOREIGN] >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, HONORABLE MAYOR, DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL MEMBERS, AND ALL WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU TODAY. >> [FOREIGN] >> MY NAME IS. [00:55:26] I PREVIOUSLY SERVED AS AN ELECTED HEAD IN A LOCAL DISTRICT, A TOWN FOR HOME ABOUT 5,000 PLUS RESIDENTS. IN THE ROLE, I HAD A PRIVILEGE OF BEING A COMMUNITY'S CLOSEST REPRESENTATIVE, LISTENING TO PEOPLE'S CONCERNS, ADDRESSING THEIR EVERYDAY NEEDS, AND WORKING TO IMPROVE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE. >> [FOREIGN] >> AS A VILLAGE LEADER, AS A TOWN LEADER, I WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE DEVELOPMENT WAS TRULY REACHED EVERY HOUSEHOLD. DURING THE TIME IN THE OFFICE, I FOCUSED ON IMPROVING CLEAN WATER ACCESS, RELIABLE ELECTRICITY, SANITATION, EDUCATION, AND HEALTH CARE SERVICES. I ALSO WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE DISTRICT AND STATE OFFICIALS TO SECURE FUNDING AND SUPPORT FOR LOCAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. >> [FOREIGN] >> I HAVE A GREAT RESPECT FOR THE WORK THE CITY COUNCIL IS DOING. YOUR COMMITMENT TO COMMUNITY SERVICES REFLECTS THE SAME VALUES OF INTEGRITY AND THE TEAMWORK THAT I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED. >> I'M SORRY, THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. JASON RUBBIGE. >> THANK YOU, HONORABLE MAYOR, AND COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TODAY IN REGARDS TO THE EFFORTS OF COUNCILMAN JOHNSON. RECENTLY, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN NEWS REGARDING A SUBJECT OF RECALL VOTE OF COUNCILMEMBER DAVID GRAVES AND COUNCILMEMBER BEN LONG. I WANT TO PUBLICLY STATE THAT I BELIEVE THAT COUNCILMAN JOHNSON IS WITHIN REASON AND RESPONSIBILITY TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ROLE OF A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER IS DIFFICULT AND ONE THAT COMES WITH CHALLENGES. I HAVE A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF RESPECT FOR THE SEATS THAT YOU ARE EACH IN. I BELIEVE THAT I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH MOST OF YOU IN SOME FORMAT, AND THOSE THAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH, I FEEL THEY ARE GENUINELY GOOD PEOPLE WITH GENERALLY GOOD INTENTIONS. BUT THE THEME AND RHETORIC AROUND BEING A TROUBLEMAKER AND GETTING ALONG THAT HAS BEGUN TO PROPAGATE AROUND THIS INDIVIDUAL, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS ACCURATE. I DID WHAT I BELIEVE MOST PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IN A QUICK RESEARCH OF COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD STRONGLY DISAGREED OR QUESTIONED OTHERS ON ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO THE AGENDA AND RETURNED 16 RESULTS IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS IN COLLIN COUNTY. THIS TO ME WAS CLEAR THAT HAVING DISCOURSE, DISAGREEMENTS, QUESTIONING STAFFS ON THEIR APPROACH IS NOT UNCOMMON. WHAT I DID FIND IS THAT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY MORE UNLIKELY WAS FOR AN ITEM TO BE BROUGHT FORTH AND TO NOT BE ANY BACK AND FORTH WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS TO QUESTION ITEMS. THE OPPORTUNITY TO QUESTION AND HAVE DIALOGUE TO GAIN AND UNDERSTAND AND EVEN CHALLENGE ANOTHER'S PERSPECTIVE AS PART OF HOW OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS FROM A STATE LEVEL TO A FEDERAL LEVEL. YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES LAST DEBATE TO FIND THAT THIS IS TRUE. I WOULD ASK THAT EACH OF YOU BE FOCUSED ON OPERATING FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT WOULD BE OPEN AND DESIRING TO HEAR AND ACT FOR THE PEOPLE OF PRINCETON. UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT HAS BECOME PREVALENT IN GOVERNMENT AS A WHOLE, AND I FEAR MAY BE THE CASE HERE IS THAT LEADERS HAVE BECOME COMFORTABLE OPERATING IN SILOS AND ECHO CHAMBERS. IT'S TIME TO STEP OUT INTO THE MASS AND ENSURE THAT YOU'RE ALIGNING WITH THE VOICES THAT YOU REPRESENT. THE ONES THAT VOTED FOR YOU AND THE ONES THAT DIDN'T, NOT BASED ON PARTY AFFILIATION, BUT BASED ON SIMPLE FACT THAT THEY ARE PRINCETON JUST AS MUCH AS YOU ARE. I'M NO LAWYER, BUT MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE SHOWED UP TO SURF PRINCETON IN MANY DIFFERENT CAPACITIES, [01:00:02] AND ONE OF THEM AFFORDED ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE CERTIFIED IN THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. I HAVE CONCERNS BASED ON WHAT HAS BEEN DISPLAYED ACROSS THE DIAS. I FULLY SUPPORT THE RIGHT OF ANY COUNCIL MEMBER TO CHALLENGE THAT. YES, IT'S DONE PUBLICLY AND TRANSPARENTLY, WHICH I CAN SAY THAT HAS BEEN TOLD TO ME IN THE PAST IS A CONCEPT, LONGSTANDING MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL VALUES VERY STRONGLY. IF THERE'S AN INFRINGEMENT ON THE LAW REGARDING [INAUDIBLE] AS A COUNCIL MEMBER SITTING IN THAT SEAT BE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW SOME OF THE WORDS OF MY PEERS MAKE ME LOOK. STATEMENTS LIKE PREVIOUSLY WE WOULD MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER OR ONE OF THE CITY MANAGERS TO DISCUSS ISSUES WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUE WE MIGHT HAVE BEFORE COUNCIL, SO A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION AND BACK AND FORTH WAS TAKING CARE OF BEFORE WE CAME TO COUNCIL MEETINGS WOULD BE CONCERNING TO ME IN REGARDS TO THE [INAUDIBLE] ACT. I WOULD ASK THAT EACH OF YOU GUYS TAKE THIS REQUEST. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. DID I MISS ANYBODY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? THIS WILL END PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS WILL TAKE US TO ITEM G. MISS COOK. [G. ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] I'M SORRY. MISS DAVID GRAVES. I THINK YOU. >> ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST FOR OCTOBER 14TH. IMMERSE YOURSELF IN THE ULTIMATE AUTUMN CELEBRATION AT PUMPKIN PALOOZA. JOIN US ON OCTOBER 18TH FROM 5:00 PM TO 9:00 PM AT JM CALDWELL SENIOR COMMUNITY PARK FOR A VIBRANT EVENING FILLED WITH FAMILY FRIENDLY FUN AND FESTIVE ACTIVITIES. DON'T FORGET YOUR CLEAR BAGS. LEARN MORE AT THE CITY'S WEBSITE ON THE PUMPKIN PALOOZA. JOIN US ON OCTOBER 25TH AT PUBLIC WORKS FOR A HANDS ON WORKSHOP ON HOW TO CREATE YOUR OWN RAINWATER BARREL. SPOTS ARE LIMITED, EMAIL SODAMI@PRINCETONTX.US TO SIGN UP. DON'T MISS OUT. REGISTRATION FOR WINTER YOUTH BASKETBALL CLOSES OCTOBER 17TH. SECURE YOUR SPOT TODAY AND GET READY FOR A FUN SEASON ON THE COURT. SIGN UP ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. THESE ARE YOUR ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST FOR TODAY, OCTOBER 14TH. >> WE ARE WATCHING THE WEATHER FOR PUMPKIN PALOOZA ON SATURDAY, AND WE WILL LET EVERYONE KNOW THURSDAY OR FRIDAY. WE ARE PRAYING IT WILL NOT RAIN. WE NEED GOOD WEATHER. >> I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD. AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE KNOWN OR HAVE BECOME AWARE, WE HAVE A NEW DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT, AND I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO EXPRESS GRATITUDE TO CRAIG. OVER THIS TIME, THIS PAST YEAR, HE'S SEEN THE NEEDS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE PLATTING PROCESS AND EVERYTHING. HE IS CREATING A NEW ROLE IN OUR CITY TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE BETTER OVERSIGHT OVER THE PLANNING AND ZONING. I AM EXTREMELY GRATEFUL FOR THAT, AND I KNOW PEOPLE IN PLANO, THEY RAVE ABOUT YOU. YOU HAVE A GREAT BACKGROUND IN THIS. I THINK IT'LL BE SO BENEFICIAL FOR OUR RESIDENTS, FOR THE BUILDING PROCESS, FOR OUR CITY AS A WHOLE, HAVING SOMEONE WITH YOUR BACKGROUND CHECKING THESE THINGS MORE THOROUGHLY. I KNOW IT'S A BIG STEP TO CREATE A NEW ROLE WITHIN A CITY, AND I DEEPLY APPRECIATE YOU NOT ONLY IDENTIFYING, A NEED FOR THAT, BUT ALSO BEING WILLING TO STEP INTO THAT ROLE AND HELP LEAD OUR CITY DOWN A BETTER PATH OF REVIEWING OUR PLATS, SO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THIS. >> THAT WILL TAKE US TO ITEM H, MS. COOK. [H. CONSENT AGENDA] >> ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER WAS SO REQUEST. IN WHICH EVENT, THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED IN ITS NORMAL SEQUENCE ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE ITEMS H1 THROUGH H8 TONIGHT. >> YOUR HONOR, IF THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION OR HAVE ANYTHING TAKEN OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> I SECOND. >> HOLD ON. >> I WANTED TO REMOVE H3. [01:05:01] >> HAVE YOU CAN AMEND THAT AGENDA OR CLOSE THAT ONE AND START WITH A NEW ONE. BUT IT'S BEEN SECOND, SO I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. >> CAN I ASK WHICH AGENDA ITEM WAS REQUESTED TO BE REMOVED BEFORE THIS VOTE? >> H3. >> H3. >> YOUR HONOR, CAN I WITHDRAW MY MOTION AT THIS TIME SO WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE H3 TAKEN OFF? >> YEAH. >> THEN I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> I WILL NEED A SECOND ON THAT. >> SECOND. >> THE NEW VOTE WILL BE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS ITEM H3. AT THIS TIME, YOU GUYS CAN VOTE? I'M MISSING THE VOTE. ITEM PASSES SEVEN, ZERO. >> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE EXECUTIVE TO THE END OF THE MEETING, AND THIS WILL TAKE US TO ITEM L, [H3. 2025-257 Consider approving funding for the design and construction of median improvements associated with project Harvard; and take appropriate action.] MS. COOK. WE'LL START WITH H3. >> H3 2025-257, CONSIDER APPROVING FUNDING FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF MEDIAN IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECT HARVARD AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. >> HONESTLY, ON THIS, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A POINT FOR RESIDENTS. BECAUSE WE ARE MAKING A DEAL FOR HELPING FUND THE MEDIAN, WHICH CAN BE CONCERNING FOR SOME. WITH OUR COLLECTION OF DEVELOPMENT FEES, WE'D ACTUALLY BE RECOUPING THAT COST. I HAD A FEW RESIDENTS REACH OUT WITH CONCERN THAT WE WERE HELPING WITH THE FUNDING, AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WE WILL BE COLLECTING DEVELOPMENT FEES AND HELPING TO RECOUP THOSE COSTS, AND THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS SAID. >> BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, I DO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT ITEM H3, PROJECT HARVARD, JUST TO REMIND COUNSEL THAT THE BUSINESS IS ASKING US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T REVEAL ANY DETAILS THEY REACHED OUT TO US TODAY, SO I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY FOR US. I KNOW THAT THERE'S RUMORS THAT THINGS GOING TO RUN ONLINE, BUT FOR US TO NOT ENGAGE IN THOSE. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM H3. >> I SECOND. >> ITEM PASS THIS SEVEN, ZERO. THIS WILL TAKE US TO H1, MS. COOK. I'M SORRY, NOT H1, L1. [L1. 2025-262 Consider approving the appointment and/or reappointment to the Boards and Commissions for the Planning and Zoning Board; and take appropriate action.] >> L1, 2025-262. CONSIDER A PROVING THE APPOINTMENT AND OR REAPPOINTMENT TO THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. THERE IS A MEMO ATTACHED. >> AT THIS TIME, I ENTERTAIN ANY MOTION? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO RECOMMEND. MAN, I CAN'T CANNOT PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME. I'M SO SORRY, AND THOMAS HAS THREE AND FIVE. >> SECOND. >> THERE'S A SECOND. IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION. HOLD THE TARAN SECOND? >> YES. >> IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, WE CAN DO A VOTE. >> YOU WANT ME TO SAY MY THOUGHTS FOR WHY? >> IF YOU WANT. YEAH. >> THE BACKGROUND THAT THOMAS HAS WITH PLANNING AND ZONING AND COUNCIL, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL. WE LOST AT, AND I THINK THOMAS WILL BRING ANOTHER STRONG VOICE TO THE BOARD, [01:10:01] AND LOOKING AT THE OTHER CANDIDATES. ONE HAS A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT COULD COME INTO PLAY. THEN THAT LEAVES CAR REALLY STOOD OUT HE WENT TO DC AND DID AN INTERNSHIP. HE'S VERY INTERESTED. HE'S ON ADC. I'VE SEEN SOME OF WHAT HE'S BEEN WORKING ON, AND I THINK THAT HE COULD BRING A GREAT VOICE TO PLANNING AND ZONING AS WELL. >> I THINK FOR THE SAME REASONS, CHRISTINA LISTED FOR THOMAS, I HAVE THOSE AS FAR AS THE PAST EXPERIENCE. AS FAR AS BCR, FOR ME, IT WAS MORE SO'S INVOLVEMENT, AND THEN FOR BOTH CANDIDATES, THE COMMITMENT OF TIME. WE'VE RECENTLY EXPERIENCED A PNZ MEETING NOT GOING THROUGH BECAUSE OF NOT ABLE TO GET A QUORUM, AND COMMITMENT AND IN AVAILABILITY SHOULD BE ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE CANDIDATES. FOR THOSE REASONS, I SUPPORTED OPTION 3 AND 5. >> COUNCIL MEMBER TODD, IF I MAY, COULD YOU SPECIFY SO WE HAVE SEATS 1 AND SEAT 6 THAT ARE VACANT. COULD YOU SPECIFY WHO'S TO FILL WHICH OF THE TWO SEATS JUST FOR THE RECORD? >> I WOULD SAY CANDIDATE 3 FOR SEAT 1 AND CANDIDATE 5 FOR SEAT 6. YOU SAID? >> IT IS BAKAR FOR SEAT 6, AND THOMAS FOR SEAT 1. THANK YOU. >> I AGREE WITH THOMAS HESLIP. I I PERSONALLY BELIEVE ARTURO WOULD BE A GOOD. ADDITION TO THE PNZ. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOK AT AT THESE APPLICATIONS IS HOW LONG WE'VE BEEN IN THE CITY, THINGS LIKE THAT. ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT STANDS OUT TO ME MOSTLY IS, ARE YOU A REGISTERED VOTER, SO IF WE WANT PEOPLE MAKING DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, SHOULD BE REGISTERED VOTERS. THEREFORE, I CAN'T, SUPPORT APPOINTING NON-REGISTERED VOTERS TO THESE TYPES OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. >> I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CANDIDATE YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WITH BEING REGISTERED HAS BEEN REGISTERED, DID VOTE, AND SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE SYSTEM SHOWING THAT HE'S NOT REGISTERED, AND HE'S CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO CORRECT IT BECAUSE I ASKED THAT QUESTION TO THEM DIRECTLY. AS FOR ARTURO, MY CONCERN WAS THE RELATION TO THE SCHOOL BOARD CANDIDATE RIGHT NOW. PLANNING AND ZONING, WE'LL HAVE TO APPROVE PLANS FROM THE SCHOOLS, AND WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, SHOULD SHE BE ELECTED, PLUS THE WORKING HIS COMPANY DOES EASEMENTS, WHICH IS ANOTHER THING THAT GOES THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING. I WORRY THERE'LL BE A SERIES OF THINGS WITH POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST WITH A FREQUENT ABSTAINING BEING REQUIRED. >> IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE. I'M MISSING ONE VOTE. MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THIS WILL TAKE YOU TO ITEM L2. MS. COOK. [L2. 2025-264 Consider approving the appointments and/or reappointments for the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board; and take appropriate action.] >> 2025-264. CONSIDER APPROVING THE APPOINTMENTS AND OR RE APPOINTMENTS FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. THERE'S A MEMO. FOR THIS BOARD, I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE RECOMMENDATION. I'LL LET YOU GUYS MAKE THE NEXT ONE. I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND MAXIE ELLIS TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD. SHE HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE. SHE TAKES THE PARKS AND REX DEPARTMENT VERY SERIOUS, [01:15:03] AND I BELIEVE SHE WILL BE A BENEFIT OF THIS BOARD AS WELL, ESPECIALLY THE BOARD ONLY MEETS. I SAY IT'S GOING TO BE EVERY THREE MONTHS OR SO. I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND MAXINE ELLIS TO BE APPOINTED, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. >> I ALSO WANT TO RECOMMEND DARIEN MCCOY TO BE A PART OF THIS BOARD AS WELL. DARIEN HAS BEEN A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR A WHILE AND VERY INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY FROM SPORTS AND RECREATION ASPECT, SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO RECOMMEND HIM FOR THIS BOARD AS WELL. >> YOUR HONOR, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND TONIA JONES. I'VE MET HER AND HER HUSBAND ON OCCASIONS AT THE JM CALWELL PARK AS THEY WALK HER DOG. OR HE HE WALKS THE DOG DOWN. I GUESS SHE DOESN'T MIND ME SAYING SHE SHE'S AN ATTORNEY, TRYING NOT TO HOLD THAT AGAINST HER FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. BUT THEY HAVE REALLY THE THE CALWELL PARK IN ANY OF THE PARKS AT HEART, AND I SINCERELY THINK THAT SHE'D MAKE A GREAT ADDITION. BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY, AS FAR AS MAXINE ELLIS SHE'S HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH HER HOA AND SHE'S INVOLVED IN ANOTHER BOARD. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOOD FOR A PERSON TO BE ON TWO BOARDS, AND THAT'S MY OPINION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND STEPHANIE PARKER JUST FOR THE DIVERSITY OF EXPERIENCE THAT SHE BRINGS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND ANTHONY LYNCH. HE'S VERY DEDICATED. HE WAS VERY CONCERNED TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WENT THROUGH AND HAD REACHED OUT PERSONALLY TO CHECK BECAUSE HE'S VERY INTERESTED AND DEDICATED TO DOING SOMETHING FOR THE CITY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE TANYA JONES JUST BASED ON HER LONGSTANDING COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF BEING IN PRINCETON, BEING INVOLVED. I HAD ANOTHER ONE ON HERE, BUT I KNOW WE'RE JUST GOING ONE BY ONE, SO FOR NOW, TANYA JONES. >> ACTUALLY, STEVE NOMINATE MEDIA HOUSE, ANYONE. >> I'LL GO CRYSTAL JACKSON FOR MY NOMINATION. >> WE HAVE ONE RECEIPT? >> I AGREE WITH ALL OF THESE. I DO SHARE THE SAME CONCERN WITH MR. DEFFENBAUG ABOUT POTENTIAL SERVING ON TWO BOARDS THAT MIGHT BECOME A PROBLEM WITH COMMITMENT. NOTHING AGAINST MAXINE. I THINK SHE'S A GREAT LADY, VERY INVOLVED. I THINK SHE'D BE PERFECT FOR A PARKS AND REC BOARD, TO BE HONEST. BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH THAT ONE. BUT BEYOND THAT, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE ROBERT RODRIGUEZ, THAT DIVERSE BACKGROUND. HE'S A REALTOR AND THAT MIGHT HELP. HE HAS THAT TOUCH WITH FAMILIES THAT ARE MOVING AROUND AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SO THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD ADDITION TO BRING THAT PERSPECTIVE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU IN REGARDS TO ROBERT RODRIGUEZ. AS A REALTOR, DO YOU THINK HE WOULD NOT BE BETTER FOR THE CIP BOARD THAT WE STILL NEED TO PUT IN THAT REQUIRES REALTORS, HE'D BE PERFECT CANDIDATE FOR THAT. IT'S A MANDATORY BOARD BY THE STATE TO HAVE. I WAS JUST ASKING BECAUSE GETTING SOMEONE INTERESTED IN BEING ON THE BOARD IS STEP 1, BUT ALSO MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT OF. WHEN I LOOKED AT HIS THING, I WAS LIKE, CIP. I JUST WANTED YOUR THOUGHT. >> IS HE INTERESTED IN THE CIP BOARD? >> WELL, I GUESS I DON'T REALLY KNOW. >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING HE APPLIED FOR THE PARKS AND REC SO FOR THAT APPLICATION, I WOULD SUGGEST HIM. >> THAT'S FINE. >> BUT YEAH, BY ALL MEANS. THAT'S THE POINT OF THESE BOARDS, AS YOU SUGGESTED IS WE APPOINT THEM TO THE ONE THAT THEY'LL BE STRONGEST AT. BY ALL MEANS. I HAVE ANOTHER. I HAVE MULTIPLE CHOICES HERE. AMANDA CREEN, I'M GOING TO ASSUME, AND THEN ALSO JOSE MAGANA. ALL THESE CANDIDATES ARE ACTUALLY, THEY SEEM REALLY GOOD ON PAPER, AT LEAST. [01:20:02] >> RYAN, I'M SURE IF YOU WANT. >> GOING LAST, THE ONES THAT I HAD EARMARKED AND START HAVE ALL BEEN NOMINATED ALREADY. >> WE HAVE SEVEN NOMINATIONS, MAXINE ELLIS, DORIAN MCCOY, TANYA JONES, STEPHANIE PARKER, ANTHONY LYNCH, CRYSTAL JACKSON, AND ROBERT RODRIGUEZ. AT THIS TIME, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> MAYOR, COUNCIL, ONCE AGAIN, DO YOU WANT TO ASSIGN THE SEAT NUMBERS? >> I CAN SIGN THE SEATS, 'CAUSE I WROTE THEM DOWN IN ORDER THEY CAME UP. I HAVE MAXINE ELLIS FOR A C1, I HAVE DORIAN MCCOY FOR C2, TANYA JONES FOR C3, STEPHANIE PARKER FOR C4, ANTHONY LYNCH FOR C5, CRYSTAL JACKSON FOR C6, AND ROBERT RODRIGUEZ FOR C7. PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND WE CAN TAKE A VOTE NOW. THERE'S ONE MORE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 7-0. THIS WILL TAKE US TO ITEM L3. MS. COOK. [L3. 2025-271 Presentation by Hilltop Securities reviewing the history of the Whitewing Public Improvement District, summarizing the proposed Plan to Levy Assessments, and quantifying the financial impact of Improvement Areas #3A and #3B on the City of Princeton, presented by Jim Sabonis,] >> 2025-271, PRESENTATION BY HILLTOP SECURITIES, REVIEWING THE HISTORY OF THE WHITEWING PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, SUMMARIZING THE PROPOSED PLAN TO LEVY ASSESSMENTS, AND QUANTIFYING THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF IMPROVEMENT AREAS NUMBER 3A, AND 3B ON THE CITY OF PRINCETON, PRESENTED BY JIM SABONIS. >> MEMBERS, TONIGHT, IT'S A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROCESS. WHITEWING IS ONE OF THE OLDEST PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT PROJECTS THAT THE CITY HAS. THEY'VE ACTUALLY COME FORWARD AND THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR NEXT PHASE. THIS IS TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, WHAT THEY DID IN THE FIRST PHASE, AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING THE CITY TO FACILITATE FOR THE SECOND PHASE. WHITEWING IS A VERY LARGE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY, ALMOST 2,500 HOMES DEVELOPED IN SIX PHASES. [INAUDIBLE] EXPECTED, BESIDES THE 2,500 HOMES, THERE'LL BE 400 MULTI FAMILY UNITS, A COMMUNITY CENTER, AND THEY DONATED LAND FOR A FIRE STATION. THEIR BUILDOUT WILL BE ABOUT $900 MILLION, AND AT BUILDOUT THEY'LL GENERATE APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION OF ANNUAL AD VALOREM TAXES FOR THE CITY. THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAID THAT THERE BE 55 MILLION MAXIMUM ASSESSMENTS OR BONDS, THAT THE TAX EQUIVALENT RATE WAS $0.55. THIS ONE THE EARLIEST DEVELOPMENT, SO IT'S ACTUALLY TAX EQUIVALENT RATE IS LOWER THAN SOME OF THE MORE RECENT ONES WE'VE DONE. THERE WAS A VERY SMALL TOURIST PARTICIPATION OF 4.8%, THOUGH. WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE DEVELOPER THAT'S ASKED FOR THE BOND ISSUANCE. THERE'LL BE NO TOURIST MONEY DEDICATED TO THIS PHASE OF ISSUANCE. CITY WILL HAVE RETAINED ALL AD VALOREM TAXES, EVEN THOUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SAYS THAT. PLUS THEY'LL PAY A PID FEE OF $2,615 PER LOT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY HIGHER THAN THE 1,800 THAT SOME OF THE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS HAVE BEEN PAYING SO THIS SHOULD BE A VERY SUCCESSFUL PROCESS. IN 2019, WE DID TWO BOND ISSUES ON YOUR BEHALF FOR THEM, 7.8 MILLION FOR THE FIRST 366 LOTS, ANOTHER 8.2 MILLION FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE. FOR THE OVERALL PROJECTS, THEY PAID A PID FEE OF 957,000 IN CLOSING. SEPTEMBER OF 2023, WE DID THE SECOND PHASE ISSUANCE, AND THEY PAID ABOUT A 1.5 MILLION ON A PID FEE. THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE ABOUT 595 LOTS DIVIDED BETWEEN 3A AND 3B. ONE INTERESTING FACT ABOUT THIS IS THAT THE HOME PRICES HAVE GONE UP SUBSTANTIALLY SINCE THEY ORIGINALLY STARTED THE PROJECT AND ULTIMATELY, THIS WILL HAVE A BUILD OUT OF ABOUT $262 MILLION. AGAIN, IT ALONE, THIS PHASE WILL GENERATE OVER $1 MILLION FOR THE CITY. AT CLOSING OF THE BOND ISSUE SIMULTANEOUSLY, THEY'LL PAY A PID FEE OF ABOUT $1.5 MILLION. THE ASSESSMENT LEVELS AND LIENS ON THIS, THIS IS ONE OF OUR EARLIEST PIDS AND AGAIN, THE VALUES THAT WE HAVE ON THE LOTS WILL BE OVER THREE TIMES WHAT THE ACTUAL ASSESSMENT LIEN WILL BE ON THE LOTS. AS INDICATED, THE ASSESSMENT ANNUAL LEVY WILL BE LOWER. [01:25:02] IT'LL BE ABOUT $0.48 PER ACTUAL TAX PROVEN RATE. FINALLY, WHAT'S TAKING PLACE? FOR THIS POINT, RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE ASSESSMENT LEVY. TONIGHT, YOU'VE RECEIVED A PETITION. I BELIEVE YOUR BOND COUNCIL WILL TALK ABOUT CALLING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE LEVY OF ASSESSMENTS, WHICH WOULD TAKE PLACE ON NOVEMBER 10TH, AT WHICH TIME YOU'D HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER ORDINANCE LEVYING ASSESSMENTS AS YOU MOVE FORWARD. IN SUMMARY, IT IS A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROJECT. THIS HAS BEEN A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT. THEY'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT PHASE. OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE WORKED ON FOR YOU, THIS IS ONE OF THE MORE EFFICIENT ONES. AS YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR, WE THINK THAT IT WILL BE A CREDIT WORTHY PROJECT AND BENEFICIAL FINANCIALLY TO THE CITY. THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS, SO I'D ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. >> QUESTION. THIS IS GOING TO BE MORE FOR GRANT. DO WE NEED TO AMEND THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IF WE'RE NOT DOING THE TIRZ NOW? >> NO, YOU DO NOT. >> THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY QUESTION. WE'RE SAYING IT WAS IN THE TIRZ BUT IT'S NO LONGER IN THE TIRZ? >> WELL, THE WAY THAT THESE PROJECTS WORK IS THAT THERE'S A TIRZ OVERALL THAT EACH PHASE HAS ITS OWN SUBSECTION, AND THERE WAS A VERY MINOR TIRZ COMPONENT, JUST 4% AGAIN OF THE CITY'S TAX RATE. WHEN WE TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER, THEY'VE AGREED NOT TO ASK FOR ANY TIRZ MONEY TO OFFSET ASSESSMENT SO THIS WILL NOT ACTUALLY HAVE ANY TIRZ INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROJECT WHATSOEVER. >> THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. EVERYBODY GOOD? THIS WILL TAKE US TO ITEM L4. MS. COOK. [L4.2025-10-14-R03 Consider approving Resolution No. 2025-10-14-R03, determining costs and calling a public hearing to consider an ordinance levying assessments on Improvement Area #3A and Improvement Area #3B located within the Whitewing Trails Public Improvement District No. 2; directing the publication and mailing of notice of such public hearing; and take appropriate action.] >> L4 CONSIDER APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025-1014 R03, DETERMINING COST, AND CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE, LEVYING ASSESSMENT ON IMPROVEMENT AREA NUMBER 3A AND IMPROVEMENT AREA 3B, LOCATED WITHIN THE WHITEWING TRAILS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2, DIRECTING THE PUBLICATION AND MAILING OF NOTICE OF SUCH HEARING AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION, MR. GULBAS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL JEFF GULBAS WITH MCCALL, PARKHURST AND HORTON. WE ARE THE CITY'S BOND COUNSEL, WORKING ON YOUR BEHALF. THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU IS, AS WAS ALLUDED TO IN THE PRIOR AGENDA ITEM, THE FIRST STEP IN LEVYING ASSESSMENTS FOR WHITEWING TRAILS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. THIS RELATES TO THE NEXT PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT. I'VE GOT THE CONTROLLER. MR. SABONIS JUST GAVE A QUICK SUMMARY, SO I'LL READ THIS ENTIRE SLIDE FOR YOU. BUT WHITEWING TRAILS IS APPROXIMATELY 5-YEARS-OLD. AS YOU HEARD, WE HAVE COMPLETED BOND SALES ON PHASES 1 AND 2. THIS PROCESS BEGINS. LIKE I SAID, THIS RESOLUTION WILL START THE PROCESS TO LEVY ASSESSMENTS ON IMPROVEMENT AREA 3A AND 3B, WHICH FALLS UNDER IMPROVEMENT AREA 3 WITH THE BOND SALE SCHEDULED FOR EITHER VERY LATE THIS YEAR OR IN 2026. THE RATIONALE FOR LEVYING THE ASSESSMENTS NOW, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A BOND SALE ON THE CALENDAR, THE ASSESSMENTS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ATTACH BEFORE HOMES ARE SOLD TO THE END USER. BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE THESE PIDS MARKETABLE TO THE INVESTORS, THE ASSESSMENTS SHOULD, AND AS A BEST PRACTICE, SHOULD BE IN PLACE BEFORE THE HOMES ARE SOLD. BECAUSE THE ASSESSMENT IS NOT A TAX, IT'S ACTUALLY A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, SO IT DOES TAKE A PRIOR LIEN OVER THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, WHICH IT ALL PID TRANSACTIONS IN TEXAS AND OTHER STATES THAT USE THESE. THE CITIES THAT ISSUE THEM DO COVENANT THAT THEY'LL FORECLOSE ON ANY PROPERTIES FOR WHICH THOSE ASSESSMENTS ARE NOT PAID. THESE DEVELOPERS DO ASK THAT THE ASSESSMENTS BE PUT IN PLACE BEFORE THE HOMES ARE SOLD TO THE END BUYER. ATTACHED TO THIS RESOLUTION IS A DRAFT OF THE PRELIMINARY SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN. YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THESE. IT IS A VERY DETAILED DOCUMENT THAT HAS A LOT OF FACTS AND FIGURES, BUT IT DOES EXPLAIN EXACTLY ALL THE FIGURES, NUMBERS, LOTS, HOMES, ESTIMATED VALUES THAT PERTAIN TO ALL OF THESE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS SO THAT IS ATTACHED. THAT WILL BE FINALIZED AT THE MEETING AT WHICH THE ASSESSMENTS ARE LEVIED. AS REQUIRED BY THE PID ACT, THE RESOLUTION DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WHICH WILL BE HELD ON NOVEMBER 2ND. AT THAT MEETING, SHOULD THE COUNCIL CONSIDER IT AN ORDINANCE FORMALLY LEVYING THE ASSESSMENTS TO PUT THEM IN PLACE ON THE LAND WILL BE UP FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION? >> NOVEMBER 10TH. >> YES. >> NOVEMBER 10TH. YOU'RE GOOD. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. NOVEMBER 10TH IS SCHEDULED FOR THAT MEETING. [01:30:04] AGAIN, THE PSAP IS ATTACHED TO THE RESOLUTION. HOWEVER, QUICK HIGH LEVEL VIEW OF WHAT THIS ENCOMPASSES. THIS IMPROVEMENT AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 83 ACRES WITH 26450-FOOT SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. THEN PHASE 3B IS 96 ACRES. IT'S GOING TO CONTAIN APPROXIMATELY 331 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. ESTIMATED FINISHED LOT VALUE FOR 3A IS $85,000 WORTH, ESTIMATED FINISHED HOME VALUE 425. THE TOTAL ESTIMATED BUILDOUT VALUE OF THAT SUB PHASE IS OVER 112 MILLION. AGAIN, THE ASSESSMENT PER HOME, THE ESTIMATE IS ALMOST $23,000, WHICH IS A TAX RATE EQUIVALENT OF ALMOST $0.50. SIMILAR FIGURES FOR IMPROVEMENT 3B WITH ESTIMATED FINISH LOT VALUE OF 100,000 AND HOMES OF 500,000. TOTAL ASSESSMENT FOR THE LIFE OF EACH HOME 28,000 WITH THE TAX RATE EQUIVALENT OF THE SAME BEING $0.48. THEN LASTLY, FOR A 3B, FINISHED LOT VALUE OF 85,000 HOMES OF 425, AN ESTIMATED FINISHED TOTAL VALUE OF 87 MILLION AND AGAIN, THE TAX RATE EQUIVALENT STAYING AT THE $0.4814. AGAIN, THIS RESOLUTION, ALL IT DOES IS AUTHORIZE PUBLICATION OF THE NOTICE OF HEARING. IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES, I'LL WORK WITH CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE TO GET THOSE NOTICES MAILED AND PUBLISHED AS REQUIRED BY LAW. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE RESOLUTION, I'M AVAILABLE OR THE PSAP. UNICAP, CITY'S PID ADMINISTRATORS HERE, AND THEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE ON THAT ITEM. >> I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THIS VOTE ON ITEM L4 IS A VOTE TO CONFIRM FOR CONFIRMATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING TO MOVE FORWARD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. >> YES, SIR. >> YOU'RE CORRECT. WE'RE NOT LEVYING ASSESSMENTS. NOTHING IS ATTACHING TO THE LANE. >> FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE POSTED? >> YES, SIR, YOU'RE RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. YES. >> IN THIS NOTICE OF A PUBLIC HEARING, IS IT POSSIBLE TO CLEARLY STATE THAT THERE WON'T BE A TIRZ? TIRZ ARE A BIG THING FOR SOME RESIDENTS. IT'S CLEAR THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THOSE DEVELOPERS HAVE GIVEN UP. IT WON'T BE A TIRZ. IT'S JUST THE PID. >> THE NOTICES FOLLOW THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS, AND WE TRY TO FOLLOW THOSE A, B, C, D, E, F. WELL, I COULD CERTAINLY ADD THAT. I WOULD STATE WE COULD PERHAPS UNINTENTIONALLY BIND YOURSELVES OR TIE HANDS. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THE FINANCING IS GOING TO SHAKE OUT THAT WON'T BE DECIDED UNTIL THESE BONDS ARE PRICED, WHICH COULD BE DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY. A PROBLEM IN THE BOND MARKETS, INTEREST RATES, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THAT SOME OF THOSE CENTS ARE NEEDED. >> WAIT. THEN, THAT BRINGS UP A QUESTION FROM MAYOR GRANT. IF THEY'RE CURRENTLY SAYING THEY DON'T WANT THE TIRZ, BUT WE'RE NOT ADJUSTING THE AGREEMENT, WE'RE NOT DOING AN AMENDMENT. DOES THAT MEAN THEY CAN, IN FACT, COME BACK AND ASK FOR THE TIRZ IN THIS AREA, OR DO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING WHERE THEY'RE PERMANENTLY GIVING UP THEIR CLAIM TO A TIRZ AND CANNOT COME BACK AND DECIDE LATER THAT THEY WANT IT? >> GRANTED, THEY'RE SAYING WE DON'T NEED A FEW EXTRA CENTS FROM THE TIRZ? >> YEAH, SO I HAVEN'T SEEN THE WRITING THAT SAYS THEY DON'T WANT TO TIRZ, AND THE AGREEMENT CALLS FOR A TIRZ, BUT IT'S ON A PHASE-BY-PHASE BASIS, AND THE TIRZ FUND'S USED TO PAY DOWN PID ASSESSMENTS. >> COUNCILMAN TODD, I CERTAINLY WANT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. IT'S NOT ME PERSONALLY, IT'S A FINANCING THING. WHETHER THERE'S A TIRZ OR NOT. I WANT TO ACCOMMODATE YOUR REQUEST. >> IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, YOU CAN'T PUT IT IN THERE. FROM L3, IT SOUNDED LIKE NO TIRZ FOR THIS PHASE, AND IF SO, CAN WE HAVE THAT IN WRITING SOMEWHERE? BUT NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A MAYBE, NO TIRZ, NOT A THEY DEFINITELY GAVE IT UP SITUATION. THIS IS A RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACTIVATE IT. IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE A BAIT AND SWITCH FOR OUR RESIDENTS. >> SO TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WILL NEED A TIRZ. I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONVERSATIONS WERE HAD WITH THE DEVELOPER, SO I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THOSE CONVERSATIONS. IF IT HAS BEEN SAID OR IF SOMEONE CAN SAY DEFINITIVELY THAT THE DEVELOPER IS SAYING, WE DON'T CARE, THEN I HAVE NO PROBLEM. BUT I CAN CERTAINLY TAKE YOUR DIRECTION. IF WE PUBLISH THE NOTICE, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU, [01:35:05] AND PERHAPS AT THAT TIME THE DIRECTION IS ONCE WE'RE HERE ON THE NOVEMBER THE 10TH, YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW THERE IS OR THERE IS NOT. I THINK IF THE ENTIRE TEAM HERE HEARS, HEY, WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING ONE, AND THAT'S COMMUNICATED TO THE DEVELOPERS, THEN WE'RE BACK HERE ON THE 10TH TELLING YOU ALL THAT THERE IS NO TIRZ. WHETHER THERE IS OR NOT, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME, I JUST HAVEN'T HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPERS. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY I THINK THIS BODY CAN APPROVE OR DENY THAT REQUEST WHEN IT COMES IN BASED ON THE INFORMATION. I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE'LL CROSS THE BRIDGE WHEN WE GET TO IT, BUT AT THIS MOMENT, IT'S JUST FOR THE PUBLICATION. >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ADDING IT TO YOUR PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE. WE WILL, I GUESS, ADDRESS IT WHEN IT COMES BEFORE US. >> WELL, AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT YOU TO TAKE IT AS ME SAYING NO. I WANT TO ACCOMMODATE IT. I GUESS, WE'RE SHOOTING FROM THE HIP HERE. I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE A PROBLEM. >> DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. >> I HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO JEFF, BECAUSE HE'S NOT FULLY AWARE OF WHAT TOOK PLACE ON THIS FINANCE PLAN, BUT AT THE INITIATIVE OF YOUR STAFF, THEY ASKED US WOULD WE START PREPARING THE FINANCIAL MODEL TO DISCUSS ABANDONING THE TIRZ, AND I WOULD WANT TO PHRASE IT. IT'S NOT THAT THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T WANT IT. HE'S CONCEDED THAT HE WON'T ASK FOR IT IN THIS PHASE. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE VERBALLY GOT AFFIRMATION THAT HE WON'T REQUIRE A TIRZ. WE'VE ACTUALLY RUN NUMBERS, CIRCULATED THEM AMONG THE FINANCE WORK GROUP. HE'S SEEN THEM AND HE'S ACCEPTED THEM. BUT I DO THINK, COUNCILWOMAN, THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT SOMEWHERE DURING THIS PROCESS, YOU WANT SOME AFFIRMATION OF THAT'S PERMANENT, AND I WAS THINKING IF WE PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER, WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >> WHEN WE LEVY ASSESSMENTS ON THE 10TH, WE WILL KNOW THEN. >> NO. I JUST WANT IT IN WRITING. A VERBAL THING FROM A DEVELOPER IS NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO OUR TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS AND STUFF. I WANT IT IN WRITING IF THEY ARE OR ARE NOT ABANDONING THE TIRZ FOR THAT AREA. >> I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT AND A GOOD REQUEST. IN FACT, A DEVELOPER LAWYER ONCE TOLD ME IF IT'S IN WRITING, IT'S MEANT TO BE, IF IT'S NOT IN WRITING, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE. WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HAVE THEM DOCUMENT THIS. >> AND JUST A LITTLE TIP, THE STAFF, THE FINANCE TEAM, MYSELF, AND OUR PID ADMINISTRATOR, EVERY TIME THAT THEY'RE COMING BEFORE AND ASKING FOR THESE PID SALES, WE'RE ACTIVELY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO LOOK AT THAT DA AND FIGURE OUT DIFFERENT WAYS TO HELP THE CITY WITH THE TAX RATE, PER SE. IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THESE EFFORTS ARE PAYING OFF A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DO AGREE WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO MEMORIALIZE THOSE AGREEMENTS SO THEY ARE LOCKED IN LANGUAGE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING AS A STAFF EVERY TIME WITH THESE CALLS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN. WHILE THE IRON IS HOT, WE'RE TRYING TO STRIKE. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BEHIND THE SCENES. >> THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, FRED, AS WELL AS THANKS TO THE STAFF FOR THOSE EFFORTS. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE IT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN LISTENING AND IMPLEMENTING THOSE POLICIES. THANK YOU. >> IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME. >> YOUR HONOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025-10-14-R03 TO DETERMINE THE COST IN CALLING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE, LIVING, ASSESSMENTS, AND IMPROVEMENTS OF AREA NUMBER 3A, AND IMPROVEMENTS AREA NUMBER 3B, LOCATED WITHIN WHITE WING TRAILS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT, NUMBER TWO. >> I'LL SECOND. >> TO THE PUBLICATION OF MAILING OF NOTICES OF SUCH PUBLIC HEARING. >> I'LL SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A SECOND. >> MOTION PASSES 7-0. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS WILL TAKE US TO ITEM L5, MISS COOK. [L5. 2025-259 Consider approving a request from Princeton Q920 for final plat approval for a property being a .960 acre tract of land situated in the Hardin Wright Survey, Abstract No. 957, City of Princeton, Collin County, Texas; and take appropriate action.] >> L, 2025-259. CONSIDER APPROVING A REQUEST FROM PRINCETON Q920 FOR FINAL PLOT APPROVAL FOR PROPERTY BEING AT 0.960 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN THE HARDEN RIGHT SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 957, CITY OF PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION, MR. FISHER. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNSEL. CRAIG FISHER, PLANNING AND ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WITH THE CITY. HERE TO PRESENT THE FINAL PLOT APPLICATION FOR PRINCETON PEDIATRICS. THIS REQUEST IS FOR ONE COMMERCIAL LOT LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF FM 982 OR SOUTH SECOND STREET. THIS REQUEST WENT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 15TH OF THIS YEAR AND WAS RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL. THIS PROJECT HAS QUITE THE HISTORY. I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO SUMMARIZE THAT HISTORY, AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. THE DEVELOPER, THE BUSINESS OWNER, IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. [01:40:03] CITY STAFF DID REVIEW A PRELIMINARY PLOT APPLICATION FOR THIS PROJECT. THAT PRELIMINARY PLOT WAS REVIEWED BY THE CITY'S ENGINEER. HOWEVER, THEN THE FULL CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS WERE NOT REVIEWED BY THE CITY ENGINEER. THAT WAS THE PRACTICE OF THE PREVIOUS DIRECTOR AND THE PREVIOUS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER WHO IS NO LONGER WITH THE CITY. UNDER MY TERM AS DIRECTOR, BUT ACTING UNDER THE THEN DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, PERMITS WERE THEN APPROVED, CONSTRUCTION COMMENCED, THEN DURING FINAL INSPECTIONS, THE CITY ENGINEER CAME TO THE SITE TO INSPECT, AND SOME DEFICIENCIES WERE NOTED. DURING THIS INSPECTION PERIOD, WHICH LASTED MONTHS, THERE ARE MANY RE-INSPECTIONS, WE DID WORK CLOSELY WITH THE DEVELOPER TO ISSUE TCOS. SEVERAL TCOS WERE ISSUED WITH CONDITIONS THAT WERE LISTED ON THE PUNCH LIST. AND AS PROGRESS WAS MADE, NEW TCOS WERE ISSUED. WE DID TRY TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BRING THE PROJECT INTO FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S ADOPTED STANDARDS. AFTER TIME, WE WEREN'T GETTING FULLY TO THAT FINISH LINE, SO EVENTUALLY THAT TCO WAS REVOKED, AND WE ARE WHERE WE ARE TODAY, TRYING TO GET THIS FINAL PLOT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. THE THREE OUTSTANDING ISSUES THAT NOW REMAIN. FIRST IS WITH DRAINAGE. THE CITY'S ENGINEERS REVIEWED THE SITE AND HAS FOUND THAT IT DOES NOT FULLY COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S DRAINAGE CRITERIA. THERE'S AN EXCESS AMOUNT OF WATER LEAVING THE SITE TOWARDS TEXTOT FM 982. TEXTOT HAS SUBMITTED A LETTER SAYING THAT INDICATING THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH TAKING THAT EXTRA WATER, BUT GIVEN THAT IT DOESN'T FULLY COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S DRAINAGE CRITERIA, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR DENIAL. IT WAS ALSO NOTED DURING THE ENGINEERING INSPECTIONS THAT A FIRE HYDRANT THAT WAS SHOWN ON THE APPROVED PLANS WAS NOT BUILT. THEN FIRE MARSHAL OKAYED DELAYING THAT FIRE HYDRANT TO A SECOND PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT. THE FIRE MARSHAL IS NO LONGER WITH THE CITY. THE NEW FIRE CHIEF HAS NOW CONCERNS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT WITH NOT HAVING A FIRE HYDRANT ON SITE. THEN ALSO, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED MAINTENANCE BONDS FOR THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE ON THIS SITE, WHICH WE REQUIRE FOR ALL DEVELOPMENTS TO HAVE A TWO-YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND. FOR THOSE REASONS, PNZ RECOMMENDED DENIAL. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT INFORMATION HAS PASSED ON TO ME IS, IS IT TRUE THAT AT ONE POINT THE CITY, IN WRITING AND IN EMAIL, HAD STATED THAT THEY WOULD HELP WITH COVERING THE COST OF RUNNING THE LINE TO THE HYDRANT, BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, OR IT'S THE EDC. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAVE THE HYDRANT. IT'S NOT ABLE TO GET CONNECTED BECAUSE ON OUR SIDE, BE IT THE EDC OR THE CITY, THAT PIECE WAS DISCARDED, WAS NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH, AND NOW WE'RE ASKING HIM TO PAY TO RUN A LINE, WHICH WOULD BE RIP UP A ROAD, RUN THE LINE THROUGH. THAT'S VERY COSTLY. SECONDLY, WHY DIDN'T WE HAVE THE GAS STATION PUT IN A HYDRANT IN THE PAST? BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIGGER PRIORITY WHEN A BUSINESS IS GOING IN BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE LETTING THEM OPERATE WITH THE HYDRANT ACROSS THE STREET. >> SURE. THE GAS STATION WAS BUILT MANY YEARS AGO, UNDER A DIFFERENT CODE, OR MAYBE NOT EVEN A CODE. I DON'T KNOW. BUT ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT IS REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH CURRENT ORDINANCES. THERE IS NOT A FIRE HYDRANT ON SITE. THERE WAS TO MY UNDERSTANDING, VERBAL COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE THEN DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND THE THEN CITY MANAGER THAT ASSISTANCE WOULD BE PROVIDED. THAT WAS NEVER AGREED TO FORMALLY IN WRITING. HAD A CHANGEOVER IN CITY MANAGEMENT, AND CITY MANAGEMENT DID NOT TAKE THAT FORWARD FOR THAT INCENTIVE TO HELP WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AT LEAST NOTHING APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL OR ANY BOARD TO HELP FUND THE PROJECT. >> DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING THAT SHOWS THAT? BECAUSE HE'S HERE TODAY. >> I MEAN, I THINK TO CRAIG'S POINT TOO, EVEN IF IT'S IN WRITING, IT HAS TO BE FORMALLY APPROVED BY THE GOVERNING BODIES. WE CAN'T BE BOUND TO SOMETHING UNLESS IT'S FORMALLY APPROVED. EVEN IF THERE WAS AN EMAIL BACK AND FORTH AS NEGOTIATIONS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT NEVER OCCURRED. >> WE'VE HAD A CHANGEOVER IN LEADERSHIP. [01:45:03] THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT MADE IN AN EMAIL TO A BUSINESS OWNER, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THAT NO LONGER COMPLIES BECAUSE IT DIDN'T COME THROUGH COUNSEL. IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? >> CORRECT. I GUESS IN THIS INSTANCE, THE EDC AND THEN COUNSEL. I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S AN EMAIL BACK AND FORTH, IT'S AN EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS, RIGHT? IT REQUIRES COUNSEL APPROVAL OR THE GOVERNING BODY APPROVAL, NOT JUST AN EMAIL TO BE BINDING. >> AND I'VE HEARD RESIDENTS TONIGHT SPEAK TO OUR REPUTATION OUTSIDE OF PRINCETON. EXHIBIT A. >> ON THAT, I MEAN, THE GUY APPROVED PLANS WITHOUT GOING TO AN ENGINEER. I MEAN, CLEARLY SOME DECISIONS WERE BEING MADE WITHOUT COUNSEL ALREADY, AND WE'RE ACCEPTING THOSE PLANS STILL. WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS IT WAS OKAY FOR THE BYPASS OF THE PLANS, BUT IT'S NOT OKAY TO HAVE IN WRITING THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO HELP PAY FOR THIS IMMENSE COST. THAT BOTHERS ME BECAUSE, ACTUALLY, I HAVE A LITTLE LIST HERE. CURRENTLY, BETWEEN THE DOUGHNUT SHOP, PEDIATRICS, SKATE RINK, AND THE SHIPPING POST, OUR FOUR MAJOR SMALL BUSINESSES IN THIS CITY HAVE BEEN SHAFTED MORE OR LESS IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. YET WE ARE MAKING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH THE BIG BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING IN. WE'RE OFFERING THEM INCENTIVES, TAX BREAKS, SO ON, TO HELP THEM COME HERE. BUT OUR OWN RESIDENTS, OUR OWN LOCAL DOCTOR, IS HERE, NEEDS HELP. WE HAD PROMISED HELP, TOOK BACK THE PROMISE, AND NOW WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE, LET'S BE HONEST, THIS WASN'T DONE RIGHT, WHETHER IT'S PAST PEOPLE OR NOT, IT WASN'T DONE RIGHT. I FEEL LIKE THE CITY NEEDS TO OWN UP TO THAT. DOING THE RIGHT THING IS TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THIS GOES IN, FINDING THE FUNDING, WHETHER IT'S ASKING ALL THE BUSINESSES THERE TO PITCH IN, WHETHER IT'S ASKING HIM JUST TO DO A DEPOSIT, JUST LIKE THE ONE RECOMMENDATION FROM RESIDENT, AND THEN THE FUTURE BUSINESSES PAY THE REST OF IT OFF. IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK GOOD THAT WE ARE PRO-BIG BUSINESS. WE'LL DO WHATEVER TO GET YOU HERE. BUT WHEN WE HAVE LOCAL RESIDENTS, LOCAL BUSINESSES, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. THE GRANT PROCESS THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE IN PLACE FOR SMALL LOCAL BUSINESSES GOT TAKEN AWAY, SO THEY CAN'T EVEN APPLY FOR THAT. WHERE'S THE HELP FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS? >> I THINK BEN YOUR MIC IS ON, YOU WANT TO SPEAK? >> YEAH. >> GO AHEAD. >> I WANT TO GO BACK TO GRANT. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY NEEDING APPROVAL FOR THAT EDC DEAL. IS THAT CORRECT THAT YOU WERE [OVERLAPPING]. >> YEAH, TO FUND AN INCENTIVE OR A PROJECT COST. >> THAT WAS THROUGH AN EMAIL AND APPARENTLY IT WAS NEVER FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH AN ACTUAL OFFICIAL APPROVAL. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER EMAILS LIKE THE ONE FROM JERRY MILLER THAT SAYS THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT FIRE HYDRANT TO BE INSTALLED IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS. IS THAT AN EMAIL THAT NEEDS OFFICIAL APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL OR BOARD? >> I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS CORRESPONDENCE. TYPICALLY, YES. I WOULD I PREFER FOR THAT TO BE DONE OFFICIALLY, SOME TYPE OF CONDITIONAL APPROVAL OR DONE FORMALLY, YES TO YOUR POINT. >> WE'RE LOOKING INTO THE PAST WITH PEOPLE THAT AREN'T HERE ANYMORE. THEY DID THESE THINGS. I SEE THE EMAIL IT SAYS CLEARLY, YOU CAN DO THIS LATER. THAT THIS SHOULD BE HONORED. THAT TYPE OF CORRESPONDENCE SHOULD BE HONORED. DID THE PEOPLE IN THE PAST DO IT CORRECTLY? I DON'T KNOW. IT'S HARD TO SAY. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S STILL SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IS THEY AGREED TO IT BACK THEN, SO WE SHOULD HONOR THAT TYPE OF STUFF. MAINLY THE FIRE HYDRANT THING. I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THERE WAS A DEAL STRUCK AT THAT TIME TO MOVE THAT FIRE HYDRANT INSTALLATION INTO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY. THEN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S ALSO A POTENTIAL OF ADDING [01:50:05] A SPRINKLER SYSTEM TO THIS PROPERTY VERSUS HAVING THIS FIRE HYDRANT LIKE A CONCESSION. CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON THAT? >> YEAH. I'LL DEFER TO CHIEF STEPHENS TO ADDRESS THAT. >> HELLO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, SHANNON STEPHENS, FIRE CHIEF. ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER 9, I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER, THE DEVELOPER AND HIS WIFE REGARDING HOW WE COULD CONTINUE MOVING THIS PROJECT TO THE FINISH LINE AS CRAIG WAS REFERRING IT TO. JUST TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS BUSINESS OPEN AND SEE WHAT KIND OF LINES OF COMMUNICATION WE CAN OPEN TOWARDS THIS. LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HYDRANT, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED WITH HAVING A BORE UNDERNEATH THE ROAD AND ALL THE DIFFERENT TXDOT REQUIREMENTS, WILL ALSO TAKE TIME. MENTIONED THE POSSIBILITY OF A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, WHICH THEY WERE VERY AGREEABLE TO. WE THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO SUBMIT SOME PLANS. NO OFFICIAL PLANS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. THERE WERE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BACK IN 2024, THAT REFERRED TO A RESIDENTIAL FIRE SPRINKLER, WHICH IS NOT CONDUCIVE WITH A COMMERCIAL OCCUPANCY. >> I DID SEE THAT RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL, AND YOU SAID THOSE PLANS WERE FROM 2024 NOT CURRENTLY? >> CORRECT. >> HAS THIS PROPERTY OWNER AGREED TO GOING AFTER THESE COMMERCIAL PLANS? >> WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS AT TONIGHT'S COUNCIL MEETING SINCE THURSDAY. I WILL REFER BACK TO A CONVERSATION BETWEEN ZENO, MYSELF AND OUR FIRE MARSHAL. BASED ON HIS KNOWLEDGE, NO PLANS WERE EVER SUBMITTED THAT CONTAINED A RESIDENTIAL FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM. >> THANK YOU. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> CHIEF STEPHENS. >> I THINK BRIAN WAS NEXT. >> CHIEF. >> BRIAN'S ABOUT TO GO, SORRY. >> FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT I CAN, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT I THINK I CAN IN THIS REGARD, THAT WE ALL WANT THIS BUSINESS OPEN. WE ALL SEE THE NEED FOR IT. WE'VE RECEIVED EMAILS ON IT. WE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE SPEAK ABOUT IT TONIGHT. I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY. SAID WE WANT THIS BUSINESS BACK OPEN. I DO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN LONG AND THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THOSE THINGS, IF IT WAS TOLD TO THAT BUSINESS OWNER, THOSE THINGS DO NEED TO BE HONORED. BUT I DID HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SPOKE ABOUT, CHIEF. BASICALLY, WE DON'T HAVE PLANS FOR A SPRINKLER SYSTEM YET, RIGHT? >> CORRECT. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT TO THAT. NORMALLY IN CONVERSATIONS, IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU CAN DO IT LATER, THERE ARE PLANES SUBMITTED FOR THE EVOLUTION OF THE PROJECT. THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY EVOLUTION OF THE PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN FORMALLY SUBMITTED THAT WE'LL SEE THIS ASPECT OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO GROW INTO AND HOW THAT FIRE HYDRANT CAN BE A PART OF THAT. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT THAT DOES HAVE SOME MEANING TO THIS IN TERMS OF HOW THE PROJECT'S BEEN EVALUATED AT THE TIME. >> I GUESS MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE FOR THE DOCTOR, IS THE COMMERCIAL SPRINKLER SYSTEM, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S DOABLE IN LIEU OF THE FIRE HYDRANT OPTION? >> SURE. >> AND CHIEF, YOU MAY NEED TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT OF THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM VERSUS THE HYDRANT, THAT WHAT IT TAKES TO STILL MAKE THE COMMERCIAL WORK. >> ABSOLUTELY. IF I COULD, YOU GUYS ARE GOOD JUST FOR A COUPLE OF MOMENTS. >> SURE. >> THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM FOR A RESIDENTIAL SPRINKLER, IT'S A MUCH SMALLER LINE, BUT THESE THINGS ARE DESIGNED JUST FOR THE OCCUPANTS TO GET OUT IN A SAFE FASHION. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO CONTROL OR CONTAIN THE FIRE. ABSENT OF FIRE HYDRANT BEING ON THE PROPERTY, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE VALUE THAT WE NEED IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FAMILIES THAT GO INTO THIS BUILDING ARE IN A SUFFICIENTLY SAFE BUILDING. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S WHY THE HYDRANT IN COMPARISON, OR, I GUESS, IN ADDITION TO THE RESIDENTIAL SPRINKLER SYSTEM WOULD HAVE TO BE IMPERATIVE ON THAT ONE. THE RESIDENTIAL SPRINKLER SYSTEM BY ITSELF JUST WOULDN'T DO. NOW, A STANDARD SPRINKLER SYSTEM HAS TO HAVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF A SIX INCH LINE SUPPLYING IT TO MEET THAT FIRE FLOW. THERE'S A FIRE HYDRANT. WE GET INTO THE POINT, AND I'M PROBABLY GOING TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ZENO HERE WILL MENTIONED. THE MOMENT YOU START PUTTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN UNDERNEATH THE CONCRETE FOR THE FIRE HYDRANT OR THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, YOU'RE COVERING THE SAME GROUND. THEN IT'LL BE A DEVELOPMENT ISSUE IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE BASED ON THE CONDITIONS OF BUILDING HOW FAR INTO THE PROJECT THEY ARE. [01:55:04] ANYTHING POST-CONSTRUCTION ON A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN PRE-CONSTRUCTION OR INSTALLING THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM AS IT'S BEING BUILT. IT MAY BE MORE FINANCIALLY EFFECTIVE FOR THEM TO GO WITH THE HYDRANT AS OPPOSED TO THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM NOW. >> QUESTION REAL QUICK BEFORE MS. GRAVES GO, I'M SORRY. THE 300 FEET, DOES THAT MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN LIFE SAVING AS FAR AS WHERE THE HYDRANT CURRENTLY IS RIGHT NOW IF WE WERE TO? >> ABSOLUTELY. I KNOW WE HAD A RESONANT THAT SPOKE IN TERMS OF THE CODE COMPLIANCE. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S ONE PART OF THE CODE. THAT'S NOT THE ENTIRETY OF THE CODE. IT HAS TO BE AN UNINTERRUPTED FIRE FLOW. THE MOMENT YOU HAVE A FIRE HYDRANT DEPENDENT ON CROSSING AN OPEN ROAD, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT'S GOING TO BE UNINTERRUPTED. WE CAN'T MAKE SURE THAT CARS AREN'T RUNNING OVER THAT TO PROVIDE THAT UNINTERRUPTED FIRE FLOW. >> SHUT DOWN THE STREET ANYWAY WITH FIRE. ALL THOSE HOUSES HAVE THE SAME FIRE HYDRANTS ACROSS THE STREET [INAUDIBLE]. >> MS. GRAVES. >> CHIEF STEPHENS, WE'VE HAD UPWARDS OF 40 PEOPLE AND PEOPLE COMING HERE TONIGHT ARE RESIDENTS COMING HERE TONIGHT IN SUPPORT OF THE PEDIATRIC PRACTICE. LIKE COUNCILMAN LONG AND WASHINGTON, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HONOR WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE. ARE THERE ANY WORK AROUNDS AT ALL? THERE WAS MENTION OF A GRANT. ARE WE ABLE TO, AND PROBABLY OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR COULD ANSWER THAT. ARE WE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE PRACTICE? BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY MADE CONCESSIONS FOR THEM. THE BUILDING WAS BUILT. IT WAS OPERATIONAL, AND THEN JUST BECAUSE WE WENT AND REALIZE IT WAS NOT BUILT TO CODE, THAT WE'VE CEASED OPERATIONS. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN SUPPORT THE REOPENING OF THIS PRACTICE AND HONOR OUR WORD? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> WHAT WORK AROUND IS THERE? >> WE ARE 100% DEDICATED TO DOING WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO WORK WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER TO MAKE THIS A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE CITY'S FINANCIAL CAPACITY TO ASSIST WITH THAT. WHAT I CAN SPEAK TO ARE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT MYSELF, CITY LEADERSHIP, OR FIRE MARSHAL CAN DO IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH THE CITY IN TERMS OF ALLOWING THEM MORE TIME TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. WHAT WOULD BE A REALISTIC TIME FRAME FOR YOU TO WORK WITH TXDOT TO YOU TO OPEN YOUR BUSINESS, TO GENERATE AN INCOME FROM YOUR PRACTICE SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THE AVAILABLE FUNDS TO COMPLETE THE LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDING. WE'VE DISCUSSED A 90 TO A 100 DAY TCO FROM OUR ASPECTS, JUST THE LIFE SAFETY COMPONENTS ONLY, WHICH IS THE ONLY THING WE CAN SPEAK TO. WE CAN'T SPEAK TO THE DRAINAGE ASPECTS OR ANYTHING ELSE FROM DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. >> IT SEEMS AS IF THE DRAINAGE ASPECT WAS TAKEN CARE OF IN A MEMO FROM JULY OF THIS YEAR THAT IT SEEMS AS IF IT WAS BUILT. IT WAS SATISFACTORY. NOW, IF WE PERMIT OPENING UP OF THIS PRACTICE WITHOUT HAVING THE HYDRANT BUILT IN, AND ALSO MAYBE THE SPRINKLERS. IT IS BEING DONE AT RISK. WE REALIZE THAT PUBLIC SENTIMENT IS HIGH. AND SO WE'LL BE DOING THIS AT A RISK IF A FIRE OCCURS, WHO IS GOING TO BE AT A LIABILITY? IF THE PRACTICE IS ALLOWED TO REOPEN, GIVEN CURRENT CONDITIONS, GIVEN A PLAN TO STRATEGICALLY BUILD IN THE HYDRANT AND DO ALL THAT'S NECESSARY TO BRING IT UP TO CODE, IT WOULD MEAN THEN THAT EVERY PATIENT WILL HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER. IT WOULD MEAN THEN THAT THE OWNER WOULD ALSO HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER THAT ABSOLVES THE CITY FROM ANY LIABILITY. I GUESS MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION TO YOU, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE WILLING TO DO? >> YES. >> WILL YOUR PATIENTS BE WILLING TO SIGN A WAIVER TO THAT END? >> I ACTUALLY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY [OVERLAPPING] HELLO. I'VE ACTUALLY HAD THE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO OUR PATIENTS, [02:00:03] AND THROUGH COMMUNICATION, I DO SEE THAT THEY ARE ALL IN FAVOR OF US OPENING UP IN THE CLINIC. SOME OF THEM THINK OF IT AS A RIDICULOUS REQUIREMENT. SOME OF THEM THINK THE RISK IS VERY LOW. BUT SO MANY OF THEM HAVE SAID, WHATEVER IT TAKES, WHATEVER I CAN DO TO HELP YOU, I'LL DO IT. I AM CONFIDENT THAT OUR PATIENTS WILL SIGN THIS WAIVER. ALSO, IT'S VERY FEASIBLE. WE PUT IT IN OUR REGISTRATION DOCUMENTS SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S REQUIRED IN ORDER TO BE SEEN HERE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY LOGISTICALLY FEASIBLE AS WELL. >> STEVE, I THINK YOU ARE- >> I NEED TO ADDRESS SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE. I THINK THE CHIEF MENTIONED ABOUT THE R13 OR 13R RESIDENTIAL SPRINKLER SYSTEM, AND THEY ONLY HAVE THE ONE INCH FLOW OVER THERE, AND THE CURRENT CODE IS SIX INCH. WHAT CODE WAS USED AT THE TIME THAT THE PLANS WERE INITIALLY SUBMITTED? >> THE PLANS I'VE SEEN THAT WERE APPROVED WERE 35 OR 24, AND THAT WOULD HAVE PUT US UNDER THE CURRENT CODE THAT WE ARE WITH NOW WITH THE 2021 IFC. >> IT REQUIRED SIX INCH? >> CORRECT. >> THE OTHER THING IS, IS PROPERTY CRAIG OR SOMEONE, IS THERE ANY MORE DEVELOPMENT BEING PLANNED ALONG THAT WAY? IS ANYONE KNOCKED ON THE DOOR, SO TO SPEAK? >> I DID NOT HAVE ANY CURRENT DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS IN THAT AREA. >> I'VE BEEN TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THE HYDRANTS BECAUSE I KNOW THE COST OF BORING UNDER 982 IS GOING TO BE QUITE EXPENSIVE. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR DOWN BUFFALO RUN APARTMENTS ARE, BUT I KNOW THEY HAVE HYDRANTS DOWN THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE CHEAPER TO RUN A LINE BACK NORTH FROM THOSE, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TYPE OF FIRE FLOW THEY HAVE. THEN IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, MAYBE THAT WILL ENCOURAGE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS TO COME IN THROUGH THAT AREA. BUT ALSO AND I KNOW THAT THE CHIEF AND THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE HAS DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO DO THIS BECAUSE I KNOW SOMEWHERE IN THE FIRE CODE, I REMEMBER READING IT MANY YEARS AGO, IT MAY HAVE CHANGED. IN MY PREVIOUS LIFETIME, I KNOW IT SAYS THAT YOU TRY TO DO ALTERNATE THINGS IF IT BECOMES A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP ON SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO COMPLY, THAT YOU DON'T TAKE AWAY THE LIFE SAFETY OF IT, BUT YOU TRY TO FIND ALTERNATIVE METHODS. I THINK THEY'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB IN TRYING TO FIND ALTERNATIVE METHODS AND ENSURING THIS. THEN SPEAKING ABOUT THAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF A SPRINKLER SYSTEM SHOULD GO DOWN AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, SOMETHING HAPPENS. WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT? >> THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS OUT, AND BASED ON THE TIMELINE TO GET IT REPAIRED, WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO IMPOSE A FIRE WATCH TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE AT THE BUILDING THAT IS NOT INVOLVED IN ANY OTHER TYPE OF WORK CAPACITY. THEIR SOLE OCCUPATION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO LIFE SAFETY ISSUES, OBVIOUSLY RELATED TO FIRE IN THIS SITUATION AND BE AVAILABLE TO CALL 911. >> I KNOW IT'D PROBABLY JUST A LONG SHOT. I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE UNTIL THEY GAIN THE FUNDS IN ORDER TO DO THE BORE ACROSS THE ROAD, PUT A HYDRANT IN THERE, AND MAYBE EVEN PUT IN A SUPPRESSION SYSTEM. IS A FIRE WATCH THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE, I THINK THE CODE SAYS, NOW YOU HAVE TO HIRE A CERTIFIED FIREFIGHTER IN ORDER MUNICIPALITY TO DO THAT JOB. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE. >> WITH THAT, WE PROVIDE THE AVAILABILITY FOR THEM TO HIRE BACK FIREFIGHTERS IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO FIND FIRE WATCH FROM ANOTHER FIRM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO EXCLUSIVELY HIRE OUR FIREFIGHTERS. >> IS THAT A POSSIBILITY UNTIL THEY GET THIS WORK COMPLETED? >> WITHOUT QUESTION. >> I COULD USE THE EXTRA MONEY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, NOT ALL DAY. THANK YOU. >> MISS TODD. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST, THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT EXISTS NEAR THEM, THAT'S A 6-FOOT PUBLIC EASEMENT AND YOU COULD RUN THE LINE NORTH 700 FEET FROM PRIMROSE, WHERE THERE IS AN EXISTING FIRE HYDRANT SO IT'S A POINT. [02:05:01] MY NEXT QUESTION IS, HYPOTHETICALLY, IF HE DECIDES TO ABANDON THAT BUILDING, GONE, WHAT WOULD THE CITY BE DOING REGARDING A HYDRANT ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD SINCE THERE'S A GAS STATION THERE, AND OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES STATE THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE UNINTERRUPTED? I'M ASSUMING THE GAS STATION IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY FROM THE HYDRANT THAN THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE IS. IT IS MORE AT RISK, AND ITS GAS STATIONS WITH AN EVEN GREATER RISK. IF HE WERE TO ABANDON HIS LOCATION AND NOT BE THERE, WOULD WE BE GOING IN TO PUT IN A HYDRANT FOR THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS ALREADY, OR WOULD WE JUST BE LEAVING IT AS IS UNTIL A NEW BUSINESS CAME IN? >> WITHOUT QUESTION, A GAS STATION IS GOING TO PRESENT MORE OF A FIRE HAZARD THAN A PHYSICIAN'S OFFICE QUESTION. HOWEVER, WHAT WAS ALSO MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT GAS STATION WAS BUILT TO THE CODE AT THE TIME, OR ABSENT THE [OVERLAPPING]. >> RIGHT. BUT KNOWING THAT OUR CURRENT STANDARDS ARE WHERE THEY'RE AT, KNOWING THAT THAT IS A HUGE RISK, WE ARE NOW AWARE THAT A GAS STATION DOES NOT HAVE A HYDRANT AND A RELATIVELY SAFE DISTANCE TO ENSURE SAFETY AND WELFARE SHOULD IT CATCH ON FIRE. THE CITY IS CURRENTLY NOW AWARE OF THIS SITUATION, WHICH IS A SAFETY RISK TO OUR RESIDENTS. ARE WE OR ARE WE NOT AUTOMATICALLY LOOKING TO TAKE ACTION TO ENSURE THAT THAT IS ADDRESSED BECAUSE HE COULD WALK AWAY FROM THAT BUILDING AND ABANDON IT AND DECIDE TO PUT HIS PRACTICE ELSEWHERE, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT DANGER FROM THAT GAS STATION STILL STANDS. WOULD THE CITY WALK AWAY FROM IT, LOOK THE OTHER WAY, AND WAIT TILL A BUSINESS COMES IN, OR WOULD THE CITY, NOW KNOWING OF THIS SITUATION, BE TAKING ACTION TO PUT IN A HYDRANT ANYWAY? >> THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. FOR THE SAKE OF HIS BUSINESS, THAT PART OF THE QUESTION, IF HE WERE TO WALK AWAY, WHATEVER FUTURE BUSINESS OWNER, PART OF THEIR APPLYING FOR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING THAT BUILDING UP TO THE CURRENT CODE OF THE CITY. WE'RE CURRENTLY 2021 IFC. IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN PROVERBIAL IN 2027, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING THAT CODE UP TO THAT CURRENT CODE. NOW, THE GAS STATION THEY HAVE A RIGHT THAT THEY BUILT THEIR BUSINESS, THEY'RE BUILDING AT THE TIME OF THE CURRENT CODE. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY OBLIGATION TO BRING THINGS UP TO THE CURRENT CODE UNLESS THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF SIGNIFICANT RECONSTRUCTION JOB OR CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY THAT THEY HAVE TO REAPPLY FOR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. >> WHAT ABOUT MCDONALD'S? THEY JUST REMODELED, HAD TO GET A PLAT APPROVED OVER THERE. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT UPGRADE. WHY DIDN'T THEY HAVE TO PUT ANY MONEY IN FOR THIS HYDRANT? AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE GAS STATION IS NOT REQUIRED, BUT DOES THE CITY NOT HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO THE PEOPLE TO BE LOOKING AT, HEY, THERE'S NO HYDRANT. THIS IS A PROBLEM. WE SHOULD TAKE ACTION OR WOULD WE LITERALLY JUST WAIT UNTIL A BUSINESS CAME IN AND SAID, HERE'S THE LAW. YOU'RE IN CHARGE OF THE HYDRANT AND UNTIL THEN, ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS, NO HYDRANT ON THE SIDE WHERE THE GAS STATION IS. >> I THINK WE ARE ACTUALLY ON THE SAME PAGE HERE, AND THIS ANALOGY IS NOT TOO FAR FROM THAT MCDONALD'S. NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, I WASN'T HERE WHEN THAT MCDONALD'S WAS REMODELED SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I WISH I COULD HAVE BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU THE INSIGHT BUT WHEN WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS, AND I DON'T WANT TO TWIST ANY WORDS THAT WERE GIVEN IN FRONT OF THE DYES BY THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND INTEGRITY. THIS IS THAT INITIATION OF THAT. THIS IS WHERE WE LOOK BACK TO THE PREVIOUS FIRE MARSHAL, WHO'S NOT HERE TO BE VERY PLAIN WITH YOU GUYS FOR A REASON THAT THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AT THAT TIME. FROM MY PROFESSIONAL ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE TRUST THAT YOU GUYS INSTILL INTO ME, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INTRINSICALLY SAFE BUILDING FOR THE PUBLIC. WITH THAT, WE HAVE THE ACCOUNTABILITY, AND WE'VE GOT TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF MAKING SURE THIS IS UP TO THE CURRENT FIRE CODE JUST LIKE THE MCDONALD'S IN ANY GIVEN SITUATION IN THE PAST. UNFORTUNATELY, I JUST CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR. I CAN SPEAK TO THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING ON NOW, AND THE ONES THAT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE WILL BE APPROPRIATELY ENGINEERED TO THE CODE. >> SO YES OR NO, IF HIS BUSINESS CLOSES, WOULD KNOWING THAT THERE'S THIS SITUATION BE PUTTING IN [02:10:03] THE HYDRANT THEMSELVES KNOWING THAT THE GAS STATION DOESN'T HAVE ONE? >> I'M ANSWERED. I DON'T BELIEVE SO, JUST BASED ON THE ANSWER. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY PLAN FOR THAT, BUT I THINK JIM WANTED TO SPEAK, RIGHT? GO AHEAD. >> YEAH, WE'VE GOT SOME IDEAS. I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT JIM A LITTLE BIT. I THINK WE CAN GET A PATH THERE. I THINK THE STAFF AND THE COUNCIL AND THE RESIDENTS DEFINITELY WANT THIS BUSINESS TO OPEN AND FLOURISH AND BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S FOR SURE. I THINK WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. I THINK JIM IS IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING THE EDC AGENDA RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A GUARANTEE, BUT I THINK ONE PATH THAT WE COULD LOOK AT NOW, OBVIOUSLY, WE STILL GOT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND THE MAINTENANCE BAD ISSUE, WHICH THOSE ARE SOLVABLE. WHEN IT COMES TO THE HYDRANT ISSUE, I THINK WE DO HAVE A PARTICULAR PATH. WE CAN CERTAINLY FIGURE OUT A WAY TO OVERCOME THOSE OTHER TWO ITEMS, THE MAINTENANCE BOND AND THE DRAINAGE BUT CHIEF MENTIONED DOING A TCO. I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE OF LOOKING AT DOING A TCO, SAY FOR 120 DAYS, GIVEN THE APPLICANT TIME TO WORK THROUGH THE EDC WITH AN AGENDA ITEM TO HELP MAYBE ALLEVIATE OR JUST HELP ABSORB SOME OF THAT COST, BECAUSE I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THE CITY STAFF PRIOR, HAS SOME RESPONSIBILITY INTO IT. WE DO. THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT. I THINK THAT IS A PATH TO TRY TO MAKE IT RIGHT, TO TRY TO MAKE IT WHOLE AS THE CITY, TO EXTEND THAT ALL BRANCH OUT AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT YOU HERE, WE WANT YOU TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WORK THROUGH THE EDC AND THE RIGHT MECHANISMS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THAT'S I THINK ONE PATH THAT WE CAN TAKE AS A GROUP, WITH OBVIOUSLY A STRONG RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COUNCIL AND THE STAFF, TO TRY TO MAKE THAT WORK ON THE EDC SIDE OF THINGS. >> THEN I'M GOING TO SAY IT IF I CAN SPEAK, I THINK THAT THE CITY DEFINITELY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY HERE TO HELP ASSIST MAKE THIS RIGHT. I THINK THAT A LOT OF MISTAKES WOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IF THEY WERE CAUGHT IN THE BEGINNING. I KNOW THAT ENGINEERING PLANS NEVER WENT WHERE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GO. I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S FAIR FOR THIS TO JUST BE ON THE BUSINESS OWNER ITSELF. I THINK THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. EVEN IF THE EDC IS THE WAY TO GO, THEN I THINK THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST WAY BUT EVEN IF THE EDC IS NOT THE WAY, WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I JUST THINK THAT REGARDLESS OF WHO WAS HERE, I WASN'T HERE PAST HAS HAPPENED, IT'S MY ISSUE NOW. I THINK THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH BUSINESSES IN THE PAST, WHEN THEY CAME TO US AND THEY HAD SOME HANDSHAKE DEAL, THEY HAD NOTHING IN WRITING. WE DIDN'T AGREE TO IT. WE DIDN'T GO WITH IT. THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT HAS THINGS IN WRITING. THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT IS A PRINCETON RESIDENT. I THINK THAT JUST BASED ON DENYING OTHER THINGS IN THE PAST THAT WAS HANDSHAKE DEALS, THIS IS NOT THE SAME. REGARDLESS IF IT'S NOT UP TO CODE, IF IT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT IT FOR RIGHT NOW, WE STILL ALLOW THEM TO BUILD, AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TAKE THE PATH FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS BUSINESS OPENED. I THINK THAT THE TCL SHOULD BE APPROVED IMMEDIATELY UNTIL WE CAN COME UP WITH THE BUSINESS OWNER ON A PATH FORWARD TOO AS WELL. >> I WANTED TO SPEAK TO DR. [INAUDIBLE] AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU MY CARD. WELL, FIRST, I WANTED TO SAY ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL OR WHAT THE CITY, WHAT YOU SHOULD BE HEARING IS, WE'LL APOLOGIZE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY THAT THIS IS THE INTRODUCTION TO YOUR BUSINESS INTO THE CITY. AS YOU CAN SEE, I HOPE THE SENTIMENT HERE ACROSS THE BOARD THAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THAT WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO WORK TO GET YOU WHERE YOU SHOULD BE, AND THAT'S BACK INTO YOUR BUSINESS. ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF PRINCETON, WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE EXPERIENCE YOU'VE HAD. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE ON THE NEW MANAGEMENT. THINGS ARE CHANGING. THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER, AND THINGS ARE GOING TO STAY BETTER. I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE YOU GET MY CARD SO THAT WAY, AS YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IF YOU NEED ANYTHING, I'M THE LIAISON FOR THE EDC. YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME DIRECTLY. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]. >> THANK YOU. >> JIM, I THINK YOU WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING. ARE YOU GOOD? >> I GUESS, FOR THIS ITEM. ON THIS WEEK, WE'RE NOT GOING TO APPROVE A FINAL PLAT, BUT CAN WE MAKE A MOTION FOR A DIFFERENT DEAL? >> YEAH. IT DOESN'T MEET CO, BUT ONE WAY TO EXTEND THE OLIVE BRANCH AND WORK THROUGH THIS WOULD BE TO DO A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, POTENTIALLY. I KNOW WE'VE ONLY ADDRESSED THE FIRE SAFETY COMPONENT. THERE IS THE DRAINAGE COMPONENT AND THE MAINTENANCE BOND COMPONENT, BUT YOU GUYS COULD, AT YOUR DISCRETION, GIVE A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, AND THEN THE TCO COULD BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS ARE SATISFIED. >> THE DRAINAGE, I KNOW THE MAINTENANCE BOND, I THINK THAT'S NOT HARD. [02:15:01] YEAH, COME ON. GO AHEAD. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT. THE DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT IS BEING CONTINUOUSLY TALKED ABOUT, WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN IN THE LAST FIVE MONTHS TO ADDRESS THAT. WE HAVE, IN FACT, REDUCED DRAINAGE FROM THE PEDIATRIC CLINIC TO GO INTO AN EASEMENT INTO THE SUBDIVISION BEHIND US, AND WE'VE TAKEN THE EXCESS INTO TXDOT. WE'VE GOTTEN APPROVAL FROM TXDOT. WE DO NOT KNOW WHERE ELSE ARE WE DRAINING TO OTHER THAN TXDOT HAVE ASKED US TO ENLARGE THE CAPACITY OF THEIR STORM SYSTEM, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE AND WE PAID FOR. AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE BOND GOES, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, EVERY SHODDY COMPANY WANTS TO KNOW A PROJECT IS APPROVED BEFORE THEY ALLOW ANY MAINTENANCE BOND. WE HAVE NO APPROVAL. WE HAVE NOTHING. WE CAN'T GET A SHODDY COMPANY THAT WOULD ALLOW TO DO THAT AND HAVE AN OPEN DATE ON A TWO YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROVED. IF IT TAKES SIX MONTHS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO FOR THAT BECAUSE LET'S JUST PUT IT THIS WAY, IT'S A LEGAL ISSUE. WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY. WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN FROM OUR SIDE. WE HAVE JUST NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN ACHIEVING A COMMON GROUND. WE REALLY HAVE NOT. >> GRANT, THE MAIN IS MINE, WHAT IS THAT EXACTLY COVERING? >> IT COVERS THE COST OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, ANY DEFECTS, OR ISSUES WITH THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS IS GOOD. >> WHAT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS DID THEY DO BESIDES ON THEIR LAND? >> SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. >> WHAT PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS DID THEY DO? >> I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO STAFF. >> CORRECT. >> THERE'S A SIDEWALK AND A SEWER LINE THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED IN PUBLIC. >> ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE DELAYS FROM THE CITY AND ISSUES WITH THE CITY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HOLD UP THIS PROJECT. I THINK THAT I'VE SEEN THE EMAILS, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE. I GET THE FIRE HYDRANT. I THINK THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THE CITY ON THAT. MAINTENANCE BOND THAT I KNOW THAT'S NECESSARY BY CODE. WE, AS COUNSEL, CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT, CORRECT, [INAUDIBLE]? >> COULDN'T THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL ALLOW YOU TO GET THE BOND BECAUSE IF WE MADE THE CONDITION TO BE APPROVED, SHOULD YOU GET THE BOND, WOULD THAT ENABLE YOUR COMPANY TO RELEASE THAT? >> IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL. THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL HAS TO STATE THAT ALL PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND ACCEPTED. THAT'S NUMBER 1, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE'RE BONDING. IN ADDITION TO TXDOT, WHICH IS ALSO AN IMPROVEMENT THAT WE MADE. WE HAVE TO FIT ALL THAT IN. WE HAVE A SANITARY SEWER MANHOLE THAT WE DID FOR THE FUTURE. THAT IS FOR THE FUTURE EXPANSION OF THIS. WE'VE PRACTICALLY DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN FOR THE FUTURE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF. >> THAT ONE PART. THAT'S CRAZY. >> IF WE WOULD HAVE SENT THIS TO THE ENGINEERS IN THE BEGINNING, THIS STUFF WOULD'VE BEEN CAUGHT, CORRECT, GRANT? >> CORRECT. >> I THINK THAT THE CITY ALSO PLAYS A FACT IN THIS AS WELL ON WHY THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THE MAINTENANCE BOND. LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT WE AS A CITY NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN POSSIBLY DO TO GET THIS OPEN. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL. >> CAN I ASK? CRAIG, WOULD THEIR BOND COVER THE SEWER AND THE SIDEWALK OR THE SEWER OF THE SIDEWALK AND THE EASEMENT INTO TXDOT? >> IT WOULD COVER THE SEWER, THE SIDEWALK, AND ALSO THE WATER LINE AND THE FIRE HYDRANT THAT WOULD BE BUILT, WOULD ALL BE PUBLIC. >> THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THE MAINTENANCE BOND UNTIL THE FIRE HYDRANT IS COMPLETED? >> A COMPLETE MAINTENANCE BOND COULDN'T. [OVERLAPPING] >> HOW IS IT THAT DEVELOPMENTS CAN HAVE PHASES AND GET A BOND FOR PHASE 1 AND A BOND FOR PHASE 2 BUT THIS BUSINESS WHO HAS PHASE 1, PHASE 2, CAN'T GET A BOND FOR THE DIFFERENT PHASES? >> I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY'RE NOT GETTING A MAINTENANCE BOND. WE BRING FINAL PLOTS TO YOU ALL REGULARLY WITH MAINTENANCE BONDS WITH AN OPEN ENDED DATE THAT WE FILL IN WITH THE COUNCIL APPROVAL DATE. >> WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE THEN THAT WE CAN STATE BECAUSE THEY'RE NEEDING SOMETHING FROM US? IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT IN WRITING THAT THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR PHASE 1 AND LIST THE EASEMENT, [02:20:02] THE SIDEWALK, AND THE SEWER THAT ARE COMPLETE HAVE BEEN COMPLETED, AND NOTING THAT IT'S PHASE 1 BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A PHASE 2? >> SEEMS REASONABLE. MR. FISHER, AS THE GENTLEMAN, JUST EXPLAINED THAT THEY HAVE COMPLETED EVERYTHING THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY DO. HAVE YOU PROVIDED US WITH THE DOCUMENTATION TO CONFIRM THAT THOSE THINGS ARE DONE? >> WE HAVE THE ENGINEERING OUR INSPECTIONS HAVE CHECKED OFF THE SIDEWALK AND THE SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE. YES, THOSE ITEMS ARE DONE TO CITY SATISFACTION. >> SO I AGREE WITH THE CONDITIONAL APPROVAL THEN. >> AND IF I MAY, IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT LOOKING AT POSTPONING THAT MAINTENANCE BOND. I THINK MAYOR YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE HYDRANT AND THAT WATER LINE, BECAUSE YOU ALL WANT ALL THOSE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS IN ONE BOND, AND YOU WANT IT TO BE TIMELY WITH THE THINGS THAT GET DONE. SO IT'S PROBABLY ONE STRATEGY IS WAIT TO THE HYDRANTS PUT IN WITH THE WATER LINE, AND THEN PUT ALL THESE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS IN A ONE MAINTENANCE BOND IF THE COUNCIL STILL WANTS THAT MAINTENANCE BOND. OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU DON'T CONDITIONALLY DENY, WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MOTION IS VERY CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE THE TWO YEAR MAINTENANCE BOND, OR IF WE ARE SLICING UP THAT MAINTENANCE BOND, AND OBVIOUSLY THE DRAINAGE, IF THE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH THE DRAINAGE THE WAY IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED TODAY, THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO REFLECT IN THAT MOTION WITH THE CONDITIONS. IF YOU DO THE CONDITIONS, IT ALSO KEEPS THEM FROM HAVING TO GO BACK TO P&Z AND COUNCIL AGAIN. WHICH IS ASE TIME, THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO GIVE THE TCO FASTER. SO JUST I WANT TO THROW THOSE. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE GUIDANCE ON SOME STRATEGIES. >> IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I'M OKAY WITH BY PASSING THE MAINTENANCE BOND ONLY BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN CLOSED SINCE MAY, I BELIEVE. I MEAN, YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE BEEN COMING UP ON YOUR TWO YEARS PRETTY SOON. SO I'M OKAY WITH NOT REQUIRING A MAINTENANCE BOND, THAT THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL, OF COURSE, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHERE WE HAD THAT CONDITIONAL APPROVAL, WE JUST NEED TO GET THIS BUSINESS BACK OPEN AND WORK WITH THE CITY AS. >> ONE QUESTION, MAYBE WITH THE GYM AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE SIMPLIFIED. I MEAN, WE COULD PROBABLY STILL REQUEST THAT. BUT HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR EDC TO COME UP WITH SOME APPROVAL WITH THE DEVELOPER TO COST SHARE OR WHATEVER TO DO THESE PROJECTS? AND IS THAT TIME ENOUGH THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ISSUE A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THEM TO GO IN AND THEN THEN THEY CAN COME BACK FOR THE FINAL ONCE THOSE PLANS HAVE ALL BEEN APPROVED WITH TXDOT, THE CITY AND EVERYTHING TO DO THAT BORING UNDER THERE AND PUT THAT HYDRAN IN AND AT LEAST HAVE A TIME FRAME ON THAT. >> THANKS. I THOUGHT IT WAS STILL ON. WE CAN DO IT WITHIN A 120-DAY TCO. THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. WHAT WE NEED IS BASICALLY A DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT, AND WE NEED A COST. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOME COSTS. NOW, ALSO, TO GRANT'S POINT EARLY ON, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EMAILS BACK AND FORTH AND THE CITY MANAGER NOT HAVING THE AUTHORITY TO SPEND EEC MONEY WITHOUT THE BOARD, NEITHER DO I, AND I ONLY SAY THAT IS THAT, I'M JUST OFFERING TO TAKE IT TO THE BOARD. I CAN'T GUARANTEE ANYTHING. I THINK THEY'LL SUPPORT IT. THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF SMALL BUSINESS AND BUSINESS IN GENERAL IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT I HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL SPEAKING ON THEIR BEHALF BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A VOTE ON THAT BOARD. I JUST TAKE THE PROJECTS TO THEM AND RECOMMEND THEM. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO RECOMMEND THIS. SO 120 DAYS SHOULD BE FINE. I MEAN, THE FOCUS WITH ME IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT AN EDC MEETING NEXT WEEK. WE'RE NOT TOMORROW'S POSTING DAY. WE WON'T HIT THAT BECAUSE I WON'T BE ABLE TO GET ENOUGH INFORMATION. BUT WITHIN 120 DAYS, WE MEET ONCE A MONTH, AS YOU KNOW. IF I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION BY THE NEXT POSTING PERIOD IN NOVEMBER, WE COULD PUT IT ON NOVEMBER AGENDA. >> TWO QUESTIONS. >> AND QUITE HOTLY, IT COULD FIT ON EITHER ONE OF THE CORPORATIONS, EDC OR CDC. >> TWO QUESTIONS. CONSIDERING THE SITUATION, COULD WE NOT CALL FOR A SPECIAL MEETING SO THAT IT COULD BE ADDRESSED SOONER? I MEAN, IT'S FLU SEASON. SPORTS ARE HAPPENING. THEIR PHYSICALS, AND OUR FAMILIES ARE HAVING TO DRIVE 380 WITH THE LANE CLOSURE TO GO SEE A DOCTOR, AND WE QUITE LITERALLY HAVE A FACILITY HERE AND A DOCTOR WHO CAN DO THOSE THINGS. SO IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOUR BOARD MIGHT BE OPEN TO DOING A SPECIAL MEETING TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT SO WE CAN GET THAT MOVING WITH. >> IT'S ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE. I MUST HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO GIVE 120-DAY TCO [02:25:01] ANYWAY [OVERLAPPING] I'LL BE OPEN WHILE WE DID. YES, WE CAN, BUT IN THIS CASE, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO. >> IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN. I THINK IT WILL DEPEND ON HOW WE VOTE TODAY, THEY COULD POTENTIALLY PICK UP THEIR TCO TOMORROW AND AND BE BACK OPEN. >> MY SECOND POINT IS, I'M NOT REALLY FOR GIVING UP THE MAINTENANCE BOND ALTOGETHER. WE CAN GET IT AT THE END WHEN EVERYTHING'S COMPLETED. BUT RIGHT NOW, TXDOT IS ACCEPTING MORE WATER THAN WHAT OUR ORDINANCES ALLOW. SHOULD THAT FAIL, THE MAINTENANCE BOND MEANS IT'S COVERED. WITHOUT THE BOND, THAT'S TAX DOLLARS THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO FIXING THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE WITHIN THAT EASEMENT. SO I THINK KEEPING IN MIND THE TAX DOLLARS AND THOSE THINGS AND THAT TXDOT'S PROJECT IS NOT COMPLETED, I THINK THAT MAINTENANCE BOND WOULD BE A GOOD PROTECTION FOR ALL PARTIES, MAKING SURE IT'S THERE, WHETHER OR NOT WE SPLIT IT UP OR WE GET IT AT THE VERY END WHEN EVERYTHING'S COMPLETED. I DO THINK THAT THE MAINTENANCE BOND IS A VITAL PIECE OF THE BUILDING PROCESS. >> I DO AGREE WITH THAT. >> I'M IN AGREEMENT AS WELL. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A POINT OF EMPHASIS FOR US. >> AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCIL, MEMBER TODD, TOO, AND I LIKED MR. GIBBS' RECOMMENDATION TO WAIT AND DO THE MAINTENANCE BOND AT THE END. AND IT WOULD BE TWO YEARS FROM THE COMPLETION OF THE. I MOVE THE MOTION TO APPROVE A 120-DAY TCO FOR THIS. AND WITH ON THE CONDITION THAT WE DON'T DO THE FINAL PLATE UNTIL THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE FIRE CODE IS MADE AND BASED WHAT INFORMATION WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE ESD, OR I MEAN, THE EDC, ESDGE. OKAY. I'M SORRY. ANYWAY, ABOUT WHAT MAY TRANSPIRE, THAT WE HAVE A 120 DAYS TO WORK WITHIN THAT. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT THE BOARD DECIDES NOT TO HELP FUND, THEN WE GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, I GUESS. SO NOW, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO APPROVE THE TEMPORARY TCO. JUST TO GET ONE YOU KNOW, GET THIS STARTED FIRST BEFORE WE COME WITH THE OTHER, AND THEN AT THE VERY END, WHENEVER THEY GET THAT, THEN WE DO THE MAINTENANCE BOND. >> YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TO EITHER DENY WITH THE CONDITION I MEAN GRANT. YEAH. HOW WOULD THAT MOTION HAVE TO BE. >> DO THE SHOT CLOCK AND EVERYTHING. WE EITHER NEED TO DENY OR CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT ITSELF. AND YOU CAN PROVIDE 120 DAYS TO GET SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS SATISFIED. IN THE MEANTIME, WE'LL ISSUE A TCO. TO ALLOW THEM TO OPEN. WE JUST NEED TO TAKE ACTION ON THE FINAL PLAN ITSELF TONIGHT. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THE FINAL PLAT BASED ON HAVING COME UP WITH FINAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE FIRE CODE AND FOR FIRE PROTECTION FOR THAT FACILITY FOR A PERIOD OF 120 DAYS. >> AND THE BOND TO COME AT THE END, CORRECT? >> OKAY. >> OKAY. THEN I WOULD SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. >> CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? WHAT ABOUT THE DRAINAGE CRITERIA? IS THE COUNCILL OKAY WITH WAIVING THAT AS PART OF THIS MOTION? I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE ITEMS TONIGHT. >> DO WE HAVE IT IN WRITING FROM TXDOT THAT THEY'RE COOL WITH IT AND THEY'RE TAKING ON THAT WATER AND RESPONSIBILITY? >> YES. THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT, EMAIL FROM TXDOT THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH THE EXTRA. IT'S A VERY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF WATER OF CODE. >> IS OKAY WITH THAT, I WOULD SAY YES. >> CAN YOU CLARIFY THE MOTION ONE MORE TIME AND ADDING THE MAINTENANCE BOND AND THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH THE DRAINAGE AS WELL? >> OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION TO CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THE FINAL PLEA. AND THAT'S BASED ON IF THEY FOLLOW THROUGH AND GET THE HYDRANT AND WATER FLOW AND FIRE PROTECTION FOR THAT FACILITY, AND ALSO TO CLARIFY AND FOR ANY DRAINAGE ISSUES, AND ALSO HAVE A MAINTENANCE AT THE COMPLETION OF OF THE PROJECT. DOES THAT HELP? >> SUSPEND THE DRAINAGE. >> YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO SUSPEND THE DRAINAGE? >> I THOUGHT I SAID THE DRAINAGE. >> IT'S SPECIFICALLY WE'RE WAITING. >> CHRISTINA MAKE THE MOTION AGAIN. [LAUGHTER] >> I MOTION TO CONDITIONALLY APPROVE THE FINAL PLATS WITH THE CONDITIONS OF THE BOND THE MAINTENANCE BOND BE PRESENTED AT THE END. THE FIRE HYDRANT AND FIRE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET, AND WE WAIVE THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS WITH THE TEXT DOCUMENTATION ON HAND. [02:30:03] >> I'LL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. >> OH, RYAN ACTUALLY HAD TO GO. SO, MOTION PASSES 6: 0? YEAH. RYAN LEFT AT 9:29. BUT MOTION PASSES 6:0. THIS WILL TAKE US TO THE ITEM L6. OH, YOU CAN TURN ON MIKE. >> I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE COUNCIL ON BEHALF, NOT JUST FOR MYSELF AT OUR CLINIC, BUT ALSO THE KIDS IN PRINCETON WHO HAVE HAD TO DRIVE OUT TO URGENT CARES AND HOSPITALS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. IT'S HUGE FOR ALL OF US. THANK YOU. >> YOU TOO. THANK YOU. >> THIS WILL TAKE US TO ITEM L6. [L6. 2025-10-14-R02 Consider approving Resolution No. 2025-10-14-R02, nominating candidate(s) for the Board of Directors of the Collin Central Appraisal District; and take appropriate action.] >> CONSIDER APPROVING RESOLUTION 202-05-1014 R02, NOMINATING CANDIDATES FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE COLLIN CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. >> SO THERE'S TWO POSITIONS OPEN, AND BRIAN IS INTERESTED. WHO ELSE? MISS? >> I DON'T THINK HE WANTS TO DO ANOTHER COMP WITH ME.[LAUGHTER] >> SO WHO ARE THE TWO THAT CAUSE I HAVE TO NOMINATE THEM, SO TO SECOND THINK OF? >> WAIT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A COUNCIL MEMBER. >> THIS DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A COUNCIL MEMBER, CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. YOU HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT OF COLLIN COUNTY AND RESIDE IN THE COUNTY FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU TAKE OFFICE FIRST OF 2026. AND I THINK THE MAYOR MENTIONED THIS, BUT YOU GUYS CAN NOMINATE UP TO TWO CANDIDATES TOTAL. >> YEAH. >> THIS IS NOT REQUIRED UNTIL THE 29TH, I THINK, IS IT? >> NO. ACTUALLY TODAY THAT. >> NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. SINCE THIS IS CANDIDATES AND IT'S THE APPRAISAL STUFF, KELLY. WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT OF POTENTIALLY YOU TAKE ON A LOT, BUT WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN THAT TYPE OF QUESTION. [LAUGHTER] I'M ASKING. >> I AM NOT A RESIDENT OF COLLIN COUNTY, SO THEREFORE, I DO NOT QUALIFY. BUT THANK YOU FOR THE OFFER. >> YOU LOOK RELIEVED. >> SO BRIAN, ARE YOU INTERESTED? [LAUGHTER] >> YES, I AM INTERESTED. >> AND, MISS TODD, RIGHT NOW, I MEAN, TODAY IS THE LAST DAY, SO I DON'T WANT TO VOLUNTEER ANYBODY, AND THEY DON'T KNOW, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT. >> HOW ABOUT JOSHUA DAVID? FIGHT. JOSHUA DAVIS. >> IF HE'S INTERESTED, I'LL NOMINATE HIM. I NOMINATE MR. BRIAN WASHINGTON. AND JOSHUA DAVIS. >> AND SEE COUNCIL WOMAN DAVID GRAVES FOR THE INFORMATION ON JOSHUA DAVIS. [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] >> SHE SAID, OKAY. >> AND THEN I WILL NEED AT THE TIME, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> DO YOU NEED THE SECOND OR YOU NEED THE FULL MOTION? >> OH, I NEED SOMEBODY TO MAKE A MOTION, YEAH. I CAN'T MAKE IT. >> A MOTION TO APPOINT OR TO PUT ON THE BALLOT, BRIAN WASHINGTON AND CAROLYN DAVID GRAVES? >> NO. >> HER SON, SON, NOT HER. >> JOSHUA DAVIS. >> JOSHUA DAVIS. OH. >> AND JOSHUA DAVIS. OKAY. BRIAN WASHINGTON AND JOSHUA DAVIS TO BE ON THE BALLOT? >> I SECOND. >> CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT. >> I SECOND. >> I CHRISTINA A SECOND. LET'S VOTE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES 6: 0. THIS WILL TAKE US TO ITEM L7. I'M SORRY. [L7. 2025-267 Consider Parks and Recreation’s request for final direction on the 2023 Parks Bond allocated funds for the MultiGen Facility; and take appropriate action.] [02:35:02] >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> YEAH, L7. >> CONSIDER PARKS AND RECREATION REQUESTS FOR FINAL DIRECTION ON THE 2023 PARKS BOND ALLOCATED FUNDS FOR THE MULTIGEN FACILITY AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL, CHASE BRYANT, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. WHAT THIS IS IS THIS IS JUST SOLIDIFYING GETTING DIRECTION BASED ON THE COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT YOU HAD IN THE WORK SESSION, AND TAKING ACTION AND GIVING STAFF DIRECTION SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MULTIGEN AND OTHER PARK PROJECTS. >> AND I'M GOING TO SAY I'M GOING TO SPEAK FOR MR. GIFFORDS. HE HAD TO LEAVE, BUT HE'S IN SUPPORT OF OPTION 1, AND HE JUST WANTED ME TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY FOR HIM. >> I STILL THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE RFQS FROM THE OTHER COMPANIES RATHER THAN JUST BE PRESENTED WITH THE ONE. BECAUSE I'LL BE JUST HONEST WITH YOU, I WILL BE PUTTING IN A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST TO SEE THOSE RFQS BECAUSE I AM VERY CURIOUS WHAT THOSE OTHER OPTIONS WERE. BECAUSE I CAN'T SAY THAT WE ARE BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR SURE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT THOSE OTHER OPTIONS WERE. AND I FEEL THAT PARKS AND REC HAD A LOT OF PLANS AND THINGS IN PLACE ALREADY THAT NEVER GOT TO BE COMPLETED, THINGS THAT WERE ABANDONED, MONEY WASTED, I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO SOMETHING FOR SHOWMANSHIP. AND WE COULD EASILY BE GETTING TWO PSAS OUT OF THIS FOR THE SAME COST THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN FOR THIS ONE BUILDING. AND WE COULD HAVE SPREAD THAT OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, PUT THEM IN TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, AND PROVIDED MORE TO THE PEOPLE WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY, JUST TAKE AWAY THE SHOWMANSHIP. >> I CAN SPEAK FOR THE RFP, RFQ PROCESS. WE WENT THROUGH THE STANDARD PROCESS AND FOR THE RFP, BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS SO GINS ARE ONE BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS, IT'S ILLEGAL TO SELECT AND BASED ON FEES. I CAN'T SEE EVERYONE UP THERE, SO IT'S WEIRD. I'M DOING SQUATS. >> IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FEES, SUCH AS ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, SURVEYORS, ETC. THE PROCESS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN A TRADITIONAL RFQ, RFP PROCESS WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT BIDS, ETC. WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION WE HAVE. I JUST WANT TO STATE WE FOLLOW EVERYTHING WE NEEDED TO DO IN THE CONTRACTS VALID, ETC. >> ONCE AGAIN, I'LL STATE THAT I FEEL WE NEED TO GO WITH OPTION 1 BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I THINK THAT GIVES US A GOOD BLEND OF WHAT OUR RESIDENTS NEED AND DESIRE, AS WELL AS HELP US MOVE CALWELL FORWARD, WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, SO IN FULL SUPPORT OF OPTION 1. >> I'M ALSO IN SUPPORT OF OPTION 1, BUT I DO RECALL INFORMATION BEING BROUGHT TO COUNCIL ON THE DIFFERENT PROPOSALS THAT WERE SUBMITTED. THE RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE TO GO WITH GENSLER BECAUSE OF THE SUPERIOR SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE. BUT I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD INFORMATION ON THE DIFFERENT PROPOSALS. WE INTERVIEWED THREE. HERE I AM AGAIN [LAUGHTER]. IT'S SO AWKWARD. WE INTERVIEWED THREE, SO 15 SUBMITTED AND WE INTERVIEWED THREE, SO YOU MIGHT BE THINKING ABOUT THAT. I KNOW WE'VE HAD DIFFERENT PEOPLE HELP US ALONG THE WAY. YOU ALL MEANING THAT IT WAS NOT DISCUSSED OPEN HERE IT WAS NOT LIKE AN AGENDA ITEM? >> CORRECT. >> GRANT, IS THAT THE USUAL WAY FOR THOSE TYPES OF AGREEMENTS TO BE ENTERED INTO, THAT SELECTION TO BE MADE? >> FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FEES, THAT'S THE NORM, I WOULD SAY, OR CITY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG BY PRESENTING IT THAT WAY. BUT ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO BOGGED DOWN IN THE PROCESS THAT WE PROCURED OVER A YEAR AGO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE MOVE FORWARD AND GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ON WHICH OPTION TO PURSUE. AT THIS TIME, I DON'T THINK WE CAN CANCEL THE CONTRACT WITH GENSLER EITHER. I THINK WE'RE LOCKED INTO THAT CONTRACT. I BELIEVE IT SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY BEEN DISCUSSED OPENLY, [02:40:01] BUT AT THIS TIME, I DON'T THINK WE CAN CHANGE COURSE. IT'LL COST US A LOT MORE TO CHANGE COURSE. I'M IN SUPPORT OF OPTION 1 AS WELL. I SPOKE ABOUT IT EARLIER. I GUESS AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THIS. >> I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM L7 GIVING STAFF THE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OPTION 1 FOR THE MULTI GYM FACILITY. >> SECOND. >> MOTION PASSES 51. CHASE, I'M GOING TO ADD THIS AT THE END, BUT CAN WE BRING THE BUSINESS PLAN FORWARD TO COUNCIL SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT POTENTIALLY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY AND WHAT THE COST RECOVERY FOR OPTION 1 IS GOING TO BE? >> ABSOLUTELY. WE'LL GET THAT TOGETHER. WE'LL START WORKING ON IT IMMEDIATELY. ONE OF THE THINGS IS OBVIOUSLY, NOW THAT WE HAVE A DIRECTION AND A FACILITY, WE CAN CATER AND DESIGN THE BUSINESS PLAN SPECIFIC TO THIS BUILDING ITSELF. WE'LL ALSO RUN RATE STUDIES WITH THE OTHER LOCAL SURROUNDING TOWNS. WE DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE COSTS CURRENTLY, BUT IT WILL ACTUALLY BE LESS EVEN BASED ON A FACILITY WITH OPTION ONE OF BEING 33% LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE INDOOR. >> DO YOU THINK YOU CAN HAVE THAT BY THE NEXT MEETING AT ALL? CAN YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS BY THE NEXT MEETING? >> WE WILL WORK ON [OVERLAPPING]. >> JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT BEFORE CONSTRUCTION STARTS AS WELL. THE COST RECOVERY. >> I DON'T WANT TO OVER PROMISE [OVERLAPPING]. >> I ASSURE YOU WE'LL GET WORKING ON THAT IMMEDIATELY. >> DO YOU WANT IT BEFORE CONSTRUCTION OR THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? >> I WANT IT BEFORE CONSTRUCTION. >> OKAY. >> BUT PREFERABLY WHILE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT IN THIS FRESH, THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. >> HOW ABOUT BETWEEN THE NEXT MEETING AND BEFORE CONSTRUCTION? [OVERLAPPING]. NO, IT'S TOO FAR. >> WELL, KEEP IN MIND, IT'S [OVERLAPPING]. >> NOVEMBER 9. >> KEEP IN MIND, A TO THAT AND PUTTING TOGETHER THE PROPER BUSINESS PLAN, LOOKING AT ALL THE MEMBERSHIPS, BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ANYWHERE 8-12 DIFFERENT MEMBERSHIPS. >> TWENTY-FOUR.. >> THAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE WE GOT RESIDENT AND NON RESIDENT. >> RIGHT. WE HAVE ROUGHLY 24 DIFFERENT RATES THAT WE HAVE TO STUDY. THAT'S THE REASON I SAY IT IS VERY EXTENSIVE WHEN YOU'RE GETTING INTO RESIDENT AND NON RESIDENT DAY PASSES VERSUS SEASON FAMILY. THERE'S A LOT THAT REALLY GO INTO ALL OF THE RATE STUDIES, AND IT'S NOT A PRESENTATION THAT I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT THERE. IT IS SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO BE SPECIFIC, AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE COUNCIL'S GUIDANCE TO SET SOME OF THOSE RATES ALSO, SO THAT WAY IT IS. >> WE CAN WE PROBABLY GET IT DONE BEFORE WE AWARD ANY CONTRACTS. BEFORE WE SPEND THE MONEY ON IT. >> OKAY. >> BEFORE WE AWARD ANY CONTRACTS, CAN WE GET IT DONE BEFORE THEN? BEFORE WE AWARD ANY CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS? >> NO, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY CONSTRUCTION DOCS PRESENTED. THE ONLY DOCUMENT THAT HAVE BEEN [OVERLAPPING]. >> I'M SAYING, CAN WE GET THAT DOCUMENT DONE BEFORE WE AWARD THE CONSTRUCTION MONEY TO WHOEVER? >> ABSOLUTELY. THE BUSINESS [OVERLAPPING]. >> I THINK THAT THAT WOULD SUFFICE IN THIS. >> BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. IN DESIGN THIS BUILDING AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE PLANS. WE'VE SPENT ALMOST $800,000 WITH THEM OUT OF THE ALMOST FIVE MILLION AGREED, BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAXIMUM, IT'S ALMOST FIVE MILLION FOR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN IN OUR CONTRACT. SO FAR WE'VE HAD AI VIDEOS, AND THEN TODAY WE HAD RENDERING SOME SKETCHES IN THERE. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT'LL BE BEFORE WE'LL ACTUALLY SEE DRAWINGS, NOT MORE AI VIDEOS? >> WELL, WE HAVE CURRENT DRAWINGS. I WILL SAY THAT. WHAT YOU SEE AS FAR AS JUST A FLOOR PLAN, WE ACTUALLY HAVE FULL 3D MODELING OF THE FLOOR PLAN ITSELF. NOW THAT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE NOW GOING TO OPTION 1. BUT AS FAR AS IF YOU WERE TO DESIGN AN OPTION 2, WE HAVE A FULL 3D TOUR THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY TAKE OF THE FACILITY. SOME OF IT WAS WALKED THROUGH AT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING. BUT WITH THESE UPDATES AND COUNCIL'S DIRECTION FROM TONIGHT, OUR ARCHITECT TEAM WILL WORK ACTIVELY ON MAKING [02:45:01] THESE CHANGES AND CUTTING SOME OF THOSE DIGITAL EXPERIENCES, SO THAT WAY, THE FLOOR PLAN IS DESIGNED. MAKING THESE SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS WON'T BE VERY DIFFICULT AND WE CAN BRING THOSE IMAGES BACK TO COUNCIL WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUSINESS PLAN. >> THAT WORKS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THIS TAKE US TO ITEM L8. >> I JUST HAD ONE QUICK NOTE. GENSLER IS THE ONE HOLDING THE FEE FOR CIVIL LANDSCAPE, STRUCTURAL, MEP ARCHITECTURE. WHEN YOU SEE THEIR FEE, YOU SEE ALL OF THE FEES OF ALL OF THOSE DISCIPLINES UNDER THE NAME GENSLER. JUST A SIDEBAR. >> THANK YOU. WE CAN MOVE ON TO L8. [L8. ORD-2025-10-14-01 Consider approving Ordinance No. 2025-10-14-01, amending Appendix A, Section 3, and Section 78-131 of the Princeton Municipal Code and implementing winter quarter averaging; and take appropriate action.] >> L8. CONSIDER APPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-10-1401, AMENDING APPENDIX A, SECTION 3 IN SECTION 78131 OF THE PRINCETON MUNICIPAL CODE AND IMPLEMENTING WINTER QUARTER AVERAGING AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION, MR. TOMMY MATT. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL, TOMMY MAPP DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. WE WERE ASKED TO BRING FORWARD A WINTER QUARTERLY AVERAGING ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL. THERE'S BEEN SOME INTEREST IN POSSIBLY LOOKING TO MOVE INTO THAT MODEL. BEFORE WE DID THAT, WE WANTED TO GET YOUR GUIDANCE AND YOUR INPUT BECAUSE WHILE THERE'S A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT'S ON HERE, IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO GO WITH THAT, THERE MAY NEED TO BE MODIFICATIONS MADE TO THE LANGUAGE FOR SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED BEFORE JUST IMPLEMENTING AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT IN EFFECT. WE STARTED WITH WHAT IS WINTER QUARTER AVERAGING? WINTER QUARTER AVERAGING IS A METHOD OF SETTING WASTEWATER UTILITY RATES FOR AN ANNUAL FLAT RATE BASICALLY FOR CUSTOMERS BASED ON THE THREE MONTH WINTER AVERAGE OR A PERIOD OF TIME IN THE WINTER MONTHS. IT ASSUMES THAT WATER BEING USED BY THE RESIDENTS DURING THE WINTER QUARTER IS GOING SOLELY FOR INDOOR PURPOSES AND NOT BEING UTILIZED OUTDOORS. THE WASTEWATER UTILITY FUND, WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND EXPLAIN IN DEPTH WHAT THE WASTEWATER UTILITY FUND IS. IT COVERS THE PASS THROUGH RATES FOR WASTEWATER TREATMENT FROM NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER. BUT IT ALSO FUNDS DAILY OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, OUR CAPITAL AND MASTER PLAN PROJECTS, CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS, SYSTEM MAINTENANCE FOR INFLOW AND INFILTRATION, WHICH REALLY DRIVES UP THE COST OF WASTEWATER TREATMENT AND WASTEWATER COLLECTION AND REDUCES YOUR OVERALL CAPACITY. INVESTING MONEY INTO THE INI REDUCTION IS A BIG WAY TO SAVE MONEY OVERALL FOR THE WASTEWATER FUND. PERSONNEL EQUIPMENT AND OPERATIONS FUND BALANCE MAINTENANCE. WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY MANAGING TO DATE IS ROUGHLY 185 MILES OF GRAVITY MAINS, 86 MILES OF FORCE MAINS, 03,425 MANHOLES, AND 24 LIFT STATIONS. THOSE NUMBERS ARE GROWING ALMOST DAILY. WE MANAGE THAT WITH FIVE PERSONNEL, TWO JET TRUCKS, A JET TRAILER, AND EASEMENT MACHINE, SKID STEER, MINI EXCAVATOR, BACKHOES, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE UPKEEP OF ALL OF THAT PERSONNEL EQUIPMENT, THE PPE THE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE, MANAGING WHAT WE CALL A CMOM PROGRAM, WHERE WE ACTUALLY GO OUT AND INSPECT 20% OF OUR WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. THAT NUMBER CONTINUES TO GROW. IT'S A COMMITMENT THAT WE'VE MADE TO ENSURING THAT OUR WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM OPERATES EFFICIENTLY AND SAFELY AND WITH ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION IN MIND. SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS, SOME THINGS THAT REALLY NEED TO BE, I GUESS DISCUSSED BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH A WINTER QUARTERLY AVERAGE IMPLEMENTATION IS, WHAT MONTHS TO INCLUDE IN THE AVERAGE? DO YOU WANT TO USE THREE MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS? A LOT OF PLACES WILL DO THREE MONTHS, BUT SOME WILL DO FIVE, DROP THE HIGHEST AND THE LOWEST AND USE THE REMAINING THREE TO SET THAT AVERAGE. BUDGET IMPACTS. THOSE ARE CURRENTLY UNKNOWN BECAUSE OUR WASTEWATER STRUCTURE IS BASED AROUND THE TIERED STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY BILLING TO. WE WOULD NEED TO WAIT FOR A RATE STUDY REALLY WOULD TELL US WHAT THE OVERALL IMPACTS TO THAT BUDGET WOULD BE. ACTUALLY HAD TO HAVE UTILITY BILLING DOUBLE CHECK THIS ONE BECAUSE IF WE IMPLEMENT WINTER QUARTERLY AVERAGING WITH THE SOFTWARE, [02:50:03] WE HAVE IN PLACE FOR UTILITY BILLING, IT CANNOT BE REVERSED. IT WILL BE FOREVER THAT WAY, OR WE WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR A COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF OUR UTILITY BILLING SOFTWARE. IF WE GO INTO THAT MODEL AND THEN FUTURE MODELS DICTATE THAT WE NEED TO MOVE OUT OF IT, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE. IT ALSO INCREASES THE POTENTIAL FOR BILLING DISPUTES, FROM WATER LEAKS THAT HAPPENED DURING THAT WINTER QUARTER TO CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS ABOUT, I MOVED IN, NOW I'M PAYING A HIGHER RATE FOR 12 MONTHS BECAUSE I WASN'T INCLUDED IN THAT AVERAGING TIME. BUT REALLY, WHEN WE'RE SETTING OUR RATES AND WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR RATES, WE WANT THEM TO BE FAIR AND EQUITABLE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE REALLY LEANING INTO WANTING TO PERFORM THE RATE STUDY. SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS ARE FUND BALANCE POLICY REQUIRES 120 DAYS OF FUND BALANCE FOR OPERATIONAL SECURITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY SHOULD SOMETHING GO WRONG, THAT WE CAN PAY TO SUSTAIN THE SYSTEM FOR 120 DAYS. THAT EQUATES TO APPROXIMATELY 13.2 MILLION. IF WE MOVE TOWARDS THAT, WE WOULD REQUEST SOME TIME BEFORE IMPLEMENTATION BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED TO DEVELOP AN INTERNAL POLICY TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE CHECKS AND BALANCES ARE IN PLACE FOR THE MINOR DISPUTES, THE THINGS THAT COME UP THAT WERE OVERLOOKED WHILE THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE IS BEING AMENDED OR ADOPTED. WE WOULD ALSO ASK FOR TIME TO RUN CAMPAIGN AND EDUCATION AND NOTIFICATION CAMPAIGNS. THEN WE HAVE THE NONSTANDARD SERVICE AGREEMENT CUSTOMERS, WHICH ARE THE CUSTOMERS THAT LIVE IN ON OLIOKE WATER SUPPLY, MILLIGAN WATER SUPPLY, AND OTHER AREAS. THEY'RE PAYING FOR WASTEWATER ONLY. DO WE WANT TO INCLUDE THOSE IN THIS RATE? THEN IF WE DO, THEN THERE'S CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM TIME TO IMPLEMENT THAT POLICY. THEN IF THEIR CURRENT SOFTWARE WILL NOT SUPPORT THE WINTER QUARTERLY AVERAGING, AND THEY HAVE TO UPGRADE, THERE'S SOME CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR A PORTION OF THAT UPGRADE AS WELL. FOR A UTILITY FUND RATE STUDY, RATE STUDIES DETERMINE REVENUE REQUIRED TO PROPERLY OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM. THEY ALSO MAINTAIN THE ADEQUATE FUND BALANCE. RAPIDLY GROWING CITIES REQUIRE MORE FREQUENT UTILITY RATE STUDIES. IT'S JUST A FACT OF GROWING. NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES IN AND STARTS BUILDING IN AN AREA THAT YOU DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE BEING REQUIRED. NOW YOU HAVE BUDGETARY IMPACTS THAT ARE IMPACTING THAT FUND BALANCE THAT WE'RE UNPLANNED AND UNFORSEEN. MORE ESTABLISHED CITIES LIKE PLANO AND MCKINNEY. THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THEM AS FREQUENTLY BECAUSE THEIR GROWTH IS MANAGED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN OURS BECAUSE OF HOW RAPIDLY WE'RE GOING. WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO AND KELLY AND I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS IS EXPLORING MOVING TO A CONTINUOUS RATE MONITORING SYSTEM BEFORE WE CAN DO A COMPREHENSIVE RATE STUDY AND THEN CONTINUOUSLY MAKE SURE THAT THE RATES ARE COVERING WHAT WE NEED TO MOVING FORWARD. IT ALLOWS FOR A LITTLE BIT BETTER BUDGET FORECASTING. >> IT ALLOWS FOR PLANNED IMPACT SO THAT IF A PROJECT COMES IN THAT YOU WEREN'T ANTICIPATING, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO YOUR REQUIREMENTS TO MEET THAT FUND BALANCE RESERVE. THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS THERE THAT WE'RE EXPLORING WHEN IT COMES TO THE UTILITY RATES AND THE RATE STRUCTURE AND WHETHER OR NOT WE GO FORWARD WITH WINTER QUARTERLY AVERAGING, WE FEEL THAT A RATE STUDY IS NECESSARY WAY MORE FREQUENTLY THAN EVERY 3-4 YEARS LIKE THEY'RE HAPPENING OR THEY HAPPENED HISTORICALLY, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING THAT IMAGE AND THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FUND EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED TO OPERATE OUR RAPIDLY GROWING COLLECTION SYSTEM. SOME OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE SEEKING FROM YOU, DO WE LEAVE THEM STRUCTURED AS THE RATE STRUCTURED AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY? DO WE WAIT FOR THE RATE STUDY TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE MAKING A DECISION ON HOW WE WANT TO STRUCTURE OUR RATES, OR DO WE IMPLEMENT THE WQA ORDINANCE WITH MAYBE SOME AMENDED LANGUAGE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT MONTHS TO INCLUDE OR OTHER OPTIONS, CONSIDERATIONS TO TAKE INTO OR TO THINK ABOUT. IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH A WQA, WHEN DO WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT IT? WHICH METHOD TO INCLUDE OR WHICH MONTHS TO INCLUDE, I'M SORRY, AND WHETHER OR NOT TO INCLUDE THE NON-STANDARD SERVICE AGREEMENT CUSTOMERS. [02:55:04] THOSE ARE SOME KEY POINTS WHERE WE'RE SEEKING INPUT FROM COUNSEL. >> QUESTION. THIS IS THE DIFFICULTY PART FOR ME IS THAT IF WE WOULD HAVE DONE THIS WHEN YOU GUYS WAS ORDERED TO AND YOU GUYS WEREN'T VIOLATING THE LAW, WHAT WOULD WE HAVE DONE THEN? IF WE DONE THIS WHEN IT WAS FIRST SET BY COUNSEL TO IMPLEMENT IT, AND YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN'T GO BACK. BUT WHAT WOULD WE HAVE DONE IF WE GOT ANOTHER RATE STUDY AND THAT SAID THAT WE SHOULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A RATE STUDY THAT SAYS WE CAN'T DO IT. >> FOR THOSE UNPLANNED EXPENSES OR THE RAPIDLY GROWING SYSTEM, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IF YOU WERE IN A WINTER QUARTERLY AVERAGING IS THE FUND BALANCE AND OPERATIONAL REVENUE REQUIREMENTS ARE STILL THERE. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT MONEY UP SOMEWHERE. TYPICALLY, WHAT HAPPENS IS IN A RATE ADJUSTMENT, THEN YOUR RATES GO UP TO OFFSET THAT FUND BALANCE LOSS. WHILE IT'S A GOOD WAY FOR RESIDENTS TO BUDGET TO KNOW WHAT THEIR BILL IS GOING TO BE MONTHLY, IT'S NOT A GOOD WAY FOR US TO BUDGET BECAUSE OF OPERATIONAL IMPACTS AND GROWTH WITHIN THE SYSTEM. IT'S GOOD AND BAD ON BOTH SIDES, BUT WHAT IT WOULD LEAD TO IS MORE FREQUENT RATE STUDIES BEING CONDUCTED ANYWAY, BECAUSE YOU WOULD NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE RATES AND WHATEVER THAT WINTER QUARTER AVERAGING IS, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS BUILT OUT AND NEW RESIDENTS STOP MOVING IN, THEN THEIR AVERAGE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD PROBABLY GO DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ESTABLISHING THEIR NEW LAWNS, SO THAT COST WOULD IMPACT OR THAT LOSS OF REVENUE WOULD IMPACT THE FUND BALANCE. WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT UP SOMEWHERE BECAUSE OF THE OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF A GROWING SYSTEM OR THEY INCREASE DAILY. >> MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO ACCURATELY MEASURE THE WASTEWATER, WE WOULDN'T BE RECEIVING THIS MONEY EITHER WAY. I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AT THAT POINT, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT THIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS PROMISED BEFORE AND THAT IT JUST NEVER GOT DONE, AND THE ONLY REASON WHY IT'S GONE NOW IS BECAUSE THE CITY REALIZED THAT THIS WAS NEVER DONE. INSTEAD OF ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM, THEN WE WENT AHEAD AND JUST REMOVED IT TO COVER IT UP. I JUST THINK THAT ON THAT LEVEL, THAT WE SHOULD PUSH THIS FORWARD. BUT LIKE I SAID, I UNDERSTAND THE FUND BALANCE AND MISS KELLY, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON IT. BUT LIKE I SAID, IF THERE WAS A WAY TO ACTUALLY MEASURE HOW MUCH WATER IS ACTUALLY GOING INTO THE STORM, WILL WE BE RECEIVING THIS MONEY? >> I KNOW WITH A RATE STUDY, WE ALWAYS TRY TO ACHIEVE A WELL-BALANCED RATE STUDY, SO WE'RE NOT SEEING SPIKES TO THE RESIDENTS ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT, SO WE LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BUILD A FIVE-YEAR RATE PLAN, AND THAT WE CAN PROJECT THAT OUT. AS A FASTEST GROWING COMMUNITY, I THINK IT'S VERY ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THESE CHECKS AND BALANCES EVERY YEAR. AGAIN, SO THAT THE RESIDENTS DON'T SEE ONE YEAR WE DO AN IMPLEMENTATION OF A PROGRAM, AND THEN THE NEXT YEAR, WE NEED TO OFFSET THE LOSS OF THE REVENUE, WHATEVER THAT MAY LOOK LIKE IN THE RATE SPIKING IN SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE DONE IF WE HAD DONE A RATE PLAN. JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, I KNOW THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES I'VE BEEN IN, WE ALWAYS TRY TO KEEP IT WHERE IT'S NOT A SPIKE OF 5-10%, ONE YEAR, AND THEN WE GO BACK DOWN TO A LEVEL. JUST CONSIDER THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHEN IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT A WQA. NOT TO SAY THAT ISN'T BEST PRACTICE. WE SEE THIS IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES. IT'S JUST IS IT BEST TO PUT A CART BEFORE THE HORSE, DO A RATE STUDY FIRST, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT A PROGRAM. >> THE RATE STUDY THAT WE'VE DONE ALREADY THAT SAYS WE CAN DO IT. WHAT IS WRONG ABOUT THAT RATE STUDY? >> THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE THAT RATE STUDY WAS DONE THAT SAID THE WQA WAS TO BE DONE. IT WAS DONE IN '23. WE'VE SEEN THE COMMUNITY CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY FROM 2023. IN FACT, I WENT BACK TO THAT RATE MODEL AND LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS. CONSUMPTION IS NOWHERE EVEN CLOSE, WHERE THEY THOUGHT THE CONSUMPTION WOULD BE IN 2025. WE'RE 40% MORE IN CONSUMPTION THAN WHAT THE MODEL THAT THEY BUILT IN 23 WAS. ACCOUNT NUMBERS, EVERYTHING IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. WE TALKED ABOUT FUND BALANCE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL KEEPING THE 120 DAYS, WHICH IS 13.2 MILLION. I'M NOT PUSHING A DIRECTION EITHER WAY. ARE JUST THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. >> IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO LOOK AT USAGE RIGHT NOW AND CALCULATE WHAT THE AVERAGE SAVINGS PER HOUSEHOLD WOULD BE IF WQA WAS INSTITUTED AS OPPOSED TO JUST USAGE CALCULATIONS. >> I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD GO BACK EVEN TO UTILITY BILLING DURING [03:00:03] THIS CREDIT THAT WE DID TO GET WHAT DOES THE CITY WIDE AVERAGE LOOK LIKE? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD INDICATION AS WELL, WHAT RESIDENTS COULD BE LOOKING AT IF WE LOOKED AT A CITY WIDE. BUT WITH IT BEING A FAST GROWING COMMUNITY, THAT'S EVEN A CHALLENGE TO LOOK AT A CITY WIDE AVERAGE. >> I THINK THAT WE REFUNDED A LITTLE BIT OVER 1 MILLION OR THE ESTIMATE, 700,000? WITH THAT, IF YOU LOST 700,000 A YEAR, LET'S JUST SAY THAT NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE 800,000, IS THAT PENNING UNDERNEATH THAT 25%? >> ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT TOO, IS THAT WAS BASED ON 10,000 ACCOUNTS, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY AT I DON'T EVEN HAVE THE TOTAL ACCOUNT FOR KOLOKE AND MILLIGAN OR CURRENT ONE. BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT UPWARDS OF 20,000 ACCOUNTS, PROBABLY NOW. THAT 750 IS NOW 1.52 MILLION IN THAT RANGE. THAT FUND LOSS IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPACTFUL BASED ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW. >> IF WE KEEP IT FOR RESIDENTS. LET'S JUST SAY WE DECIDE THAT WE ONLY WANT TO DO IT FOR RESIDENTS. THAT'S A LESS OF A HIT COMPARED TO DOING IT TO EVERYBODY THAT WE SERVE. LEGALLY, IT'S THAT BECAUSE I THINK GRANT, WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S LEGAL OR NOT, BUT TO JUST IMPLEMENT IT FOR THE RESIDENTS AND NOT ANYBODY ELSE THAT WE SERVICE. >> I THINK WE COULD BECAUSE THERE'S JUST A PRACTICAL OPERATIONAL COMPONENT. THERE'S SOME AREAS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS WHERE WE ONLY PROVIDE WASTEWATER, WE DON'T PROVIDE BOTH. I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. PROBABLY BEST PRACTICE WOULD BE TO APPLY IT ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS. NOW, I DON'T KNOW THE PRACTICALITIES OF IMPLEMENTING THAT, BUT THERE CERTAINLY IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IN CITY RESIDENTS AND THOSE OUTSIDE CUSTOMERS THAT WE SERVE AS FAR AS THE ABILITY TO POT OUTSIDE OF STAFF. >> I CAN TELL YOU WHEN WE CHANGED FROM THE FLAT RATE TO CONSUMPTION FOR THOSE TWO ENTITIES, IT TOOK SOME MASSAGING FROM THE STAFF TO GET THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT. WANT TO PUT THIS ON THE COUNCIL'S RADAR IF WE DO IT FOR THE RESIDENTS, AND WE DECIDE NOT TO DO IT FOR THE OSA TWO DISTRICTS. JUST BE PREPARED. YOU MAY GET ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM THOSE ENTITIES, SOMETHING I WANT THE COUNCIL TO BE AWARE OF JUST BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL PUSHBACK WITH THAT. I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO BE SURPRISED WITH ANYTHING WITH THIS CONVERSATION. THESE ARE JUST LITTLE TIP BETS FOR YOU FOLKS TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE BROAD SPECTRUM THIS HAS. >> MY QUESTION IS FOR STAFF THAT WAS HERE WHEN THE CHANGE WAS MADE LAST FALL, AND FOR COUNSEL UP HERE, WHO VOTED ON IT, WHY IS IT THAT WHEN RESIDENTS CAME BEFORE US OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE THREE OF US WERE NOT HERE FOR THIS. WE OBVIOUSLY HAD NO IDEA WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT UNTIL IT WAS MADE BLATANTLY CLEAR BY RESIDENTS. WHY WAS IT NOT A TOPIC THAT WE DISCUSSED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE HEARD THE SAME THING FROM THESE RESIDENTS. NO ONE STEPPED UP TO SAY, "OH, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHY WASN'T IT QUESTIONED WHEN THE CHANGES WERE MADE?" I GET THE WHOLE. IT WASN'T DONE RIGHT, SO WE NEED TO FIX THIS. BUT WHY WASN'T IT QUESTIONED THEN FOR IF IT WASN'T DONE RIGHT, HOW CAN WE DO IT RIGHT GOING FORWARD AND KEEP THIS? IT WAS JUST REMOVED. I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY THESE DECISIONS WERE MADE, AND IT TOOK SO MANY PEOPLE AND SO MANY EMAILS FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED. >> I CAN'T ANSWER WHAT PREVIOUS EMPLOYEES DID OR DIDN'T DO OR WHY THEY DID OR DIDN'T DO CERTAIN THINGS. WHAT WE CAN DO NOW IS LOOK GOING FORWARD AND IF THIS IS THE PATH THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO GO DOWN, WE CAN IMPLEMENT THIS. WE JUST NEED THE GUIDANCE OF, DO YOU WANT TO IMPLEMENT IT IMMEDIATELY TO INCLUDE THE PREVIOUS WINTER QUARTER OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THIS NEW WINTER QUARTER? WE COULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A RATE STUDY TO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE [03:05:01] GOING TO BE AND WHAT THOSE NEW RATES WOULD LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD. WE'LL DO WHATEVER COUNCIL. >> SORRY JUST WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FIVE, SIX PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM. NOT THE THREE OF US NEWLY ELECTED INCLUDED. EVERYONE ELSE WAS HERE WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE TO TAKE THIS AWAY. WHY CAN'T ANYONE WHO WAS HERE WHEN THIS HAPPENED AND IS CURRENTLY IN THIS ROOM, WHY CAN'T ANYONE ANSWER THAT QUESTION? >> IS THAT DIRECTED TOWARDS COUNSEL OR? >> TO STAFF OR COUNSEL, WHO WANTS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. WHY WAS THIS NOT DISCUSSED FURTHER? WHY WAS IT JUST TAKEN AWAY, AND NOT THOUGHT, LET'S DO IT RIGHT? WHY WAS IT THAT WHEN RESIDENTS CAME OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, SAYING SOMETHING, DID NOTHING HAPPEN? YOU DON'T COME TO ALL OF OUR MEETINGS. YOU'RE EXCUSED FROM THAT. >> LET ME BE CLEAR. DECISION TO NOT IMPLEMENT WQA. DECISIONS TO IMPLEMENT WQA WAS NOTHING THAT THE UTILITY BUILDING DEPARTMENT WAS INVOLVED IN. SAY THAT AGAIN. THE INITIAL TALKS, THE PREVIOUS SUPERVISOR WHO WAS AN EMPLOYEE HERE UP UNTIL A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, SHE WAS NEVER INVOLVED. I WOULD TALKED HER, "HEY, WERE YOU WORRIED ME AT THIS?" HE SAID, NO. SHE WAS NEVER APPROACHED WITH IT, NEVER ASKED, CAN WE EVEN DO THIS? CAN THE SOFTWARE AT THE TIME THAT WE HAD, CAN WE IMPLEMENT IT. THE SAME THING. WHEN I TOOK OVER A SUPERVISOR, DECISIONS TO MEETINGS, TALKS, WHATEVER, THEY WERE ABOVE ME. I WAS NEVER INVOLVED IN THAT AT ALL. THE DECISION WAS TO TAKE THIS AWAY, NOT IMPLEMENT IT. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY. ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT I WAS TOLD NOT TO DO IT. WE DIDN'T DO IT. THAT'S ALL INFORMATION I HAVE. I CAN'T PROVIDE ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT. >> WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE. SO THEN, COUNSEL, WHY? YOU ARE THE ONES WHO VOTED IT IN. YOU ARE THE ONES WHO TOOK IT AWAY. IT'S ANOTHER ORDINANCE THAT WASN'T FOLLOWED OR IMPLEMENTED. WHY WHEN YOU WERE TOLD THAT THIS ORDINANCE WASN'T DONE CORRECTLY, WE'RE TAKING IT AWAY BECAUSE WE CAN'T IMPLEMENT IT. WHY DIDN'T ANYONE QUESTION IT? >> I ASSUME YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOME ACCOUNTABILITY FROM COUNSEL. UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS NOT ELECTED, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TOOK PLACE THERE. MAYBE SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN SPEAK TO THAT. >> YOU WEREN'T LOOKING FOR A SCAPEGOAT OR SOMEONE. THIS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE? BUT ANYWAY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHENEVER IT'S PASSED, WE PASSED SO MANY ORDINANCES. Y'ALL PASSED SO MANY ORDINANCES. CURRENTLY SINCE ALL BEEN ON COUNSEL, YOU PROBABLY CAN'T RECALL ALL OF THEM IN DETAIL. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHENEVER IT WAS PASSED, I KNOW THAT PRIOR TO ITS IMPLICATION, THE PERSON WHO WAS GOING TO IMPLEMENT IT, THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER FOR MR. MASHBURN LEFT EMPLOYMENT. HE THEREFORE, COULDN'T IMPLEMENT IT. I THINK SOME EVEN THE CITY STAFF OR SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THAT WOULD BE OVER THAT ORDINANCES THAT WERE FOR THE WATER DEPARTMENT, THINGS, THAT ALL CHANGED TOO. I HATE TO SAY THAT JUST WENT BY THE WAYSIDE, IT WAS THERE, AND AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, IT SURFACED, WHENEVER YOU'RE TRYING TO FIND ORDINANCES. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S LAYING UNDER SOMEONE'S DESK OR THE ORDINANCE OR HOWEVER THEY DO IT. AS FAR AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE DO, MR. WASHINGTON AND I WERE PROBABLY ON THE COUNCIL HERE. MR. GURFERS, I THINK, WAS EVEN ON THE COUNCIL. HE'S NOT HERE RIGHT NOW. I REMEMBER WHENEVER WE DID PASS THIS AND IMPLEMENT THIS AND THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD THING FOR EVERYONE ACROSS THE BOARD. JUST EXACTLY WHENEVER IT WAS TAKEN AWAY, I REALLY DON'T RECALL THAT. WHATEVER IT WAS REPEALED OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. >> I THINK HE SAID THAT HE WAS DIRECTED NOT TO IMPLEMENT IT AFTER YOU GUYS VOTED ON IT. IT WASN'T THAT SOMEBODY LEFT. I THINK THE PERSON WHO LEFT BEFORE HE LEFT OR WHOEVER WITH HIM HAS TOLD THAT DEPARTMENT TO NOT TO IMPLEMENT IT. >> BUT I'M GLAD IT'S BACK ON. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT MONTHS TO INCLUDE. I LIKE THE NOVEMBER THROUGH MARCH MYSELF. [03:10:02] BUT IT'S WHETHER WE NEED TO DO IT BEFORE A RATE STUDY? I DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE COMPLETELY FAIR BECAUSE THE RATE STUDY, THE WAY OUR GROWTH IS, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING. MR. MAPP SAID THAT IF WE IMPLEMENT IT RIGHT NOW, AND BECAUSE OF THAT SOFTWARE, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE THAT RATE STUDY AND IT CHANGES CONSIDERABLY, IT'S GOING TO COST US THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS JUST TO GET THAT SOFTWARE CHANGED. THAT WOULDN'T BE GOOD BECAUSE WE WILL NOT BE GOOD STEWARDS. WE'VE GONE MANY YEARS WITHOUT THE WQA. >> I HAVE PROBABLY LIVED HERE LONGER THAN ANY OF ALL HERE THAT'S SITTING IN THIS ROOM, PROBABLY THREE TIMES AS LONG, AND I'VE PAID THE RATES WITHOUT THAT WQA, AND I'M THINKING, OKAY. WHAT IF WE GO THROUGH THESE WINTER MONTHS RIGHT NOW, DO THE RATE STUDY AS SOON AS WE CAN, GET ON A RADAR SCOPE, AND THEN IMPLEMENT IT AS SOON AS WE GET THAT RATE STUDY. THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY. >> I GUESS IT'S JUST A DIFFERENCE OF PHILOSOPHY. WHEN I CAME ACROSS THE HOA ORDINANCE THAT WASN'T FOLLOWED FOR 12 YEARS, I TURNED AROUND AND SAID, THIS IS THE LAW, FOLLOW IT. WHEREAS AN ORDINANCE WAS BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL THAT WASN'T FOLLOWED, AND INSTEAD OF TURNING AROUND AND SAYING, FOLLOW IT OR FIX IT, IT WAS, LET'S GET RID OF IT. I THINK THAT'S MY CONCERN HERE.[OVERLAPPING] >> BUT THEN WE CAME AND WE FIXED IT, RIGHT? WE ADDRESSED IT, AND WE REFUNDED CUSTOMERS THAT WERE AFFECTED DURING THAT TIME, WE DIDN'T COLLECT FROM ANYONE. IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME. BUT NOW IT'S BACK UP, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER AGAIN FOR RESIDENTS. IS THIS THE BEST PATH TO MOVE FORWARD? >> I THINK SHE WORK COUNCILMAN WOMAN TAYLOR AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR. WE HAVE TO IT. JUST LIKE THE GENTLEMAN HERE, WE ADMITTED, WE FOUND WHAT WAS WRONG. WE ARE NOT ADDRESSING A SYSTEMIC ISSUE IN TERMS OF HOW WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS OR WHEN THESE ISSUES ARE BROUGHT TO US, HOW THEY ARE NOT BEING ADDRESSED UNTIL THERE'S THIS PUBLIC OUTCRY FOR THESE ISSUES, AND THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY TAKEN FORWARD. NOBODY'S ADDRESSING IT. THE ISSUE WASN'T IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T A, B, OR C. THAT'S THE ISSUE. WE'RE JUST OVERLOOKING THE ISSUE AND TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT ADDRESSING HOW WE GOT HERE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. >> IF WE DON'T ADDRESS HOW WE GOT HERE, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THERE HAS TO BE ACCOUNTABILITY. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AND BE LIKE, WE HAVE TWO ORDINANCES. THERE ARE MORE, I HAVE ANOTHER LIST THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWED, THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL, AND NO ONE'S LOOKING AT WHY. NO ONE'S LOOKING AT WHAT CAN WE DO GOING FORWARD TO BE BETTER TO ENSURE ORDINANCES ARE FOLLOWED IN OUR CITY. THESE ARE OUR LAWS. SOME OF THEM ARE STATE LAWS. WE'RE JUST PUSHING FORWARD, LIKE, IT'S FINE. WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO THIS GOING FORWARD. BUT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THINGS FALL BETWEEN THE CRACKS, IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM, IF WE DON'T DO BETTER AND HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY. >> RIGHT NOW, ON OUR SCREEN RIGHT HERE IT SAYS COUNSEL DIRECTION. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FOR THE WQA, MISS TODD? THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY OTHER ORDINANCES OR ANY OTHER THINGS. THIS IS ON OUR PLATE RIGHT NOW. WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION. I'VE SAID WHAT I COULD ABOUT IT. DO YOU WANT TO IMPLEMENT IT RIGHT NOW OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR THE RATE STUDY? THAT'S THE QUESTIONS. >> I THINK THE OTHER QUESTION IS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO ENSURE THAT WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE IS ACTUALLY FOLLOWED THROUGH ON? >> WE'LL CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHENEVER IT'S PASSED. WHATEVER THE DECISION WE MAKE. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THE COUNT WE GOT TO GIVE DIRECTION TONIGHT TO MAKE SURE THEN WE'RE THE GOVERNING BOARD. WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S DONE, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW DO WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT IT RIGHT NOW OR DO WE WANT TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE A RATE STUDY? THAT'S THE TWO QUESTIONS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT ARE IMPENDING. >> I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, BEN. >> THE WAY I'M SEEING IT EARLY ON, WHEN I STARTED LEARNING ABOUT THIS WQA, IS THAT THERE'S A LOT TO THINK ABOUT, AND WE'RE LEARNING THAT TONIGHT. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC EXPOSURE TO WHAT ACTUALLY GOES INTO [03:15:02] IMPLEMENTING A WQA AND ALL THE THINGS THAT COME WITH IT AND THE RISKS THAT COME WITH IT. IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH FOLKS ABOUT THIS, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS I WORRY ABOUT, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS MENTIONED AS A POTENTIAL SPIKE IN RATES IS IF WE INTRODUCE A WQA THAT LOWERS OUR REVENUE, WELL, THE NEXT RATE STUDY IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR THAT REVENUE LOSS. THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR ME BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO SEE WE STOP COLLECTING HERE, BUT THEN TURN AROUND AND START COLLECTING HERE. WHERE IS THE BENEFIT TO THE CITIZENS AT THAT POINT? THAT'S A QUESTION I GOT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT THE GOAL OF WQA IS TO ADJUST THE RATES TO WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS FUND TO OPERATE AND TO BE PROPER FOR THE RESIDENTS, SO THEY'RE NOT OVERPAYING. THAT'S A QUESTION I WANT TO SEE ANSWERED BEFORE I NECESSARILY AGREE TO IMPLEMENTING A WQA ORDINANCE. THEN TONIGHT WE HAD AN HOA REPRESENTATIVE BRING UP THE POINT OF HOAS USE LOTS AND LOTS OF WATER FOR ONLY IRRIGATION PURPOSES. THIS I GUESS, PRELIMINARY ORDINANCE OR THE SUGGESTED ORDINANCE TONIGHT DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE ISSUES ADDRESSED TO IT. I LIVE IN AN HOA. THEREFORE, MY FUNDS, MY MONEY IS GOING TOWARDS POTENTIALLY BEING OVERCHARGED IN A SENSE. IF WE'RE PAYING FOR A SEWER THAT WE'RE NOT USING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME LANGUAGE IN THIS PROPOSAL THAT ADDRESSES THOSE THINGS TO MAKE SURE I HEAR THE TERM THAT IT NEEDS TO BE EQUITABLE ACROSS THE BOARD. WELL, THAT INCLUDES THE HOAS AND THE TAXPAYERS THAT FUND THOSE COMMUNITIES BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING HOAS ALL OVER THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S TONS OF THEM. I BELIEVE IT'S REQUIRED NOW. THERE'S NO WAY OF GETTING OUT OF IT. WE REALLY NEED TO THINK THIS THROUGH, AND I THINK THE PRESENTATION TO NIGHT, I'M THANKFUL FOR IT, BECAUSE IT EXPOSES ALL THE DEEP QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED BEFORE WE DO THESE THINGS. MY ASSUMPTION IS WHOEVER IS THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR OF THIS ORDINANCE THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED OR NOT IMPLEMENTED YEARS AGO, PROBABLY DIDN'T THINK THESE QUESTIONS OUT. THEN WHEN THEY WENT TO IMPLEMENT IT, THEY PROBABLY WENT, OOPS, I DIDN'T THINK THIS THROUGH. I BETTER NOT IMPLEMENT THIS BECAUSE IF I DO, IT'S GOING TO OPEN UP A BIG OLD CAN OF WORMS. THIS IS JUST MY ASSUMPTION. I DON'T KNOW.I WASN'T HERE. I DON'T KNOW THE PERSON THAT CREATED OR AUTHORED THAT ORIGINAL ORDINANCE. >> IT WAS ON APRIL OF 2023. YOU WERE UP HERE WHEN THAT PRESENTATION HAPPENED. >> APRIL OF 2023. I WAS ELECTED IN NOVEMBER OF '23. >> MY DAD, SORRY. >> WHEN THE WQA WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, AND I HEARD ABOUT ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE STILL ABOUT IT. IT MAKES ME THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO IRON THIS OUT BEFORE WE DO IT. IS A RATE STUDY NEEDED? THAT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE TO MAKE THAT DECISION? I'M BEING RECOMMENDED BY EXPERTS TO WAIT FOR THAT RATE STUDY. DO WE ACCEPT THAT RECOMMENDATION? THAT'S FOR US TO DECIDE. BUT I STILL SEE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD PROBABLY BE AUTHORED INTO THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE BEFORE WE VOTE ON SOMETHING AND START RUNNING DOWN A ROAD THAT WE HAVEN'T THOROUGHLY THOUGHT THROUGH. I'M ALL ABOUT TAKING WHATEVER ACTIONS IT IS NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CHARGING THE APPROPRIATE FEES FOR SERVICES. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT, NONE WHATSOEVER. THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS SHOOTING FROM THE HIP OR KNEE JERK REACTIONS THAT CAUSE PROBLEMS DOWN THE LINE BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE DO, WE HAVE TO BE THINKING FAR OUT INTO THE FUTURE BECAUSE PRINCETON IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE IT'S JUST GETTING BIGGER. IF WE CREATE A PROBLEM AT THE SIZE WE'RE AT NOW, NEXT YEAR IT'S GOING TO BE BIGGER. YEAR AFTER THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE BIGGER BECAUSE WE KEEP GROWING. I ENCOURAGE US TO GET MORE ANSWERS TO THIS. I HOPE TO SEE WHAT DO WE DO TO ADDRESS THE OFFSET OF THE FUND BALANCE? BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THIS YEAR WHEN WE GAVE MONEY BACK, [03:20:01] IT WAS X DOLLAR AMOUNT. WELL, THE ACCOUNTS HAVE GROWN. NEXT YEAR, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE. THAT MEANS LESS MONEY TO THE FUND, WHICH THAT FUND NEEDS TO GO HIGHER ANYWAYS BECAUSE WE'RE GROWING. HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE MANAGED AND HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE BALANCED TO WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE FUND IN JEOPARDY TO WHERE WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE THINGS AND MEET THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS OF HAVING A CERTAIN LEVEL. FINANCES AVAILABLE FOR THOSE ISSUES. AGAIN, TOTALLY FINE WITH EXPLORING FURTHER INTO THIS WQA AND GETTING A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED. I WANT TO SEE MORE OF THE FEE SCHEDULE TO INCLUDE NON SEWER USERS THAT HAVE WATER METERS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT OVERCHARGING PEOPLE THAT SHOULDN'T BE CHARGED AND GO FROM THERE. >> I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. IF AN IRRIGATION METER DOES NOT PAY FOR WASTEWATER, IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT THE TANK, YOU DON'T PAY WASTEWATER. THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS EARLIER, THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN LOOK INTO. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW THOSE CHARGES ARE BEING CALCULATED, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN LOOK AT. IF I WAS MADE AWARE, I WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT IT BEFORE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT TOMORROW. JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT WQA ONLY AFFECTS WASTEWATER. IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR YOUR WATER CHARGES. IF YOU'RE SOMEONE WHO USES 40,000 GALLONS, WQA IS GOING TO SAVE YOU SOME MONEY ON YOUR WASTEWATER. FOR WATER CHARGES, YOU'RE PAYING 40,000 GALLONS WORTH OF WATER. YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC WHEN YOU MAKE THIS ORDINANCE AND YOU PASS THIS ORDINANCE, THE LANGUAGE THAT'S INCLUDED IN IT BECAUSE IT CAN AFFECT PEOPLE NEGATIVELY. IF YOU BRUSH THIS THROUGH, IF YOU SAY, HEY, FINE, JUST USE NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, WHAT HAPPENS IF I HAVE A LEAK IN ON THOSE MONTHS? WHEN DO PIPES FREEZE DURING THOSE MONTHS? WINTERTIME, RIGHT? THE WAY THE PREVIOUS ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN COULD HAVE HURT A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE I DO LEAK ADJUSTMENTS MONTHLY. I GET 40 50, 60 ADJUSTMENTS, 40-60 CUSTOMERS DURING THOSE MONTHS. MY PIPES FROZE. NOW, I'M PAYING FOR X AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE REMODELED, REPAIRED, REPLACED. ON TOP OF THAT, I HAVE TO PAY A WATER BILL FOR WATER THAT I DIDN'T USE. THAT WATER CHARGE WAS A WASTE WATER CHARGE AS WELL. THAT ORDINANCE COULD HAVE AFFECTED PEOPLE NEGATIVELY AS WELL. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM IT, PEOPLE WHO USE A LOT OF WATER MONTHLY FOR IRRIGATION, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T, PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. PLEASE DON'T MAKE THIS DECISION THAT YOU GO HOME TONIGHT SAY I'M GOING TO DO IT, BE DONE WITH IT. THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS IN THIS. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS TOO IS ALSO INCLUDING NON STANDARD SERVICE AGREEMENT CUSTOMERS. PEOPLE FROM COLOCA AND MIA. HOW IS THIS GOING TO WORK FOR THE PEOPLE WHO BUILD THEM, PEOPLE WHO PROVIDE THEM WATER SERVICE. CAN THEIR SOFTWARE IMPLEMENT THIS AND IMPLEMENT CORRECTLY? BECAUSE IF YOU WANT TO BE FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD, WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THEM IN IT AS WELL. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SOFTWARE IS CAPABLE OF DOING THIS. IF IT'S NOT WHAT NEEDS TO BE GRADED, WANTS TO BE CHANGED TO MAKE THAT CHANGE EQUITABLE FOR EVERYONE. NOT JUST FOR ME, NOT JUST FOR YOU GUYS, BUT PEOPLE WHO LIVE SOUTH HERE SEE THE LIMITS. CAN WE MAKE THIS WORK CORRECTLY FOR EVERYONE? PLEASE DON'T RUSH THIS. THINK ABOUT THIS WITH A LOT OF QUESTIONS. YOU GOT TO HAVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS. YOU GOT TO SEE ME PUT YOU KNOW PEOPLE BLAST ME IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS ALL THE TIME. HEY, YOU GOT ME CONTACT ME. MY PHONE NUMBERS ON THERE. HEY, YOU HAVE THE QUESTIONS. THE MORE QUESTIONS, THE MORE ANSWERS. THE MORE ANSWERS, THE BETTER ORDINANCE, WE CAN GET THIS. LET'S DO THIS. LET'S DO THIS RIGHT. I WANT TO HELP YOU GUYS MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. JUST TAKE YOUR TIME. DON'T RUSH IT. I KNOW THERE'S LOT OF PRESSURE ON THIS BECAUSE I FEEL IT TOO. TRUST ME. I FEEL IT. I GET THOSE GET THOSE CALLS DAILY. LET'S DO THIS CORRECTLY. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. IF YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THIS WAY, LET'S GO DO THIS WAY, BUT HEY, LET'S MAKE SURE, LIKE MR. LONG SAID, ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED BECAUSE IF WE MISS SOMETHING, IT COULD AFFECT PEOPLE NEGATIVELY IN A BIG WAY. LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I DON'T WANT MY WATER RATES GOING UP BECAUSE, HEY, COOL, I GO I'M SAVING FIVE BUCKS A MONTH ON MY WASTEWATER CHARGE, BUT GUESS WHAT, MY WATER RATE IS $20 TO OFFSET THE COST OF ON HOSES. I DON'T WANT THAT. PEOPLE DON'T WANT THEIR RESIDENTS FOR SURE. YOU HAVE THE QUESTIONS. WE WANT DIRECTION. TELL US WHAT YOU'RE READY TO GO. I'M MORE WANTING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE. I HOPE YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS. I WANT MY INBOX TO BE FLOODED, HEY, THINK ABOUT THIS. LOOK AT THIS. LOOK AT THIS. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO THIS? WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T DO THIS? DO THAT FOR ME, PLEASE. DO THAT FOR THE RESIDENT, SEE THE YOURSELVES. >> I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO PUT EVERY DETAIL, ADDRESS EVERY SINGLE DETAIL BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE, SECTION 5 PENALTY, ANY PERSON, FORM, OR CORPORATION WHO SHALL VIOLATE ANY OF THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE, WHO SHALL FAIL TO COMPLY WITH ANY PROVISION HEREOF SHALL BE DEEMED GUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR, [03:25:01] AND UPON CONVICTION, SHALL BE SUBJECT TO A FINE, NOT TO EXCEED $500 EACH DAY, THAT SUCH VIOLATION CONTINUES SHALL CONSTITUTE A SEPARATE OFFENSE AND SHALL BE PUNISHABLE ACCORDINGLY. TECHNICALLY, WE DIDN'T FOLLOW THIS ORDINANCE. IT'S CONCERNING. KNOWING THAT STUFF LIKE THIS WILL BE IN OUR ORDINANCE, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS ROUND, EVERYTHING IS DONE TO THE TEA. EVERY PIECE IS LOOKED AT TO ENSURE THAT IN THE NEXT ORDINANCE, WE ARE NOT VIOLATING THE PROVISIONS OF THAT ORDINANCE AS APPARENTLY WE HAVE ALREADY DONE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION, BASED ON YOUR PRESENTATION, MR. MAPP, AND BASED ON JUST THE INFORMATION THAT WE SHARED HERE TODAY, IS IT TRUE THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT CITIES LIKE PLANO AND LIKE MCKINNEY, THAT ARE MORE ESTABLISHED. WINTER WQA WORKS FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKE AT A PLATEAU. THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION FOR WQA. BUT SINCE PRINCETON IS GROWING AS RAPIDLY AS IT IS, WE HAVE TO WAIT. WE CANNOT IMPLEMENT WQA RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD JUST CAUSE MANY CHANGES, AND IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PROCESS. IS IT THEN THAT NOW IS NOT THE BEST TIME TO IMPLEMENT WQA? WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE CITY GROWS TO A PARTICULAR PLACE OR TO A NUMBER, OR THE GROWTH STARTS LEVELING OFF FOR US TO DO THAT? >> I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD YOU, SO JUST TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT, YOUR PLANOS, YOUR FRISCO'S RICHARDSONS THAT ARE PRETTY WELL GROWN OUT, PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED. THEY HAVE LOWER FLUCTUATIONS AND FUND BALANCE. THEY HAVE A LOT MORE INCOME COMING IN. THEIR WQA IS ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WHEREAS WITH US GROWING AS RAPIDLY AS WE ARE, THERE MAY BE UNFORESEEN PROJECTS OR PLANS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED THAT WOULD THEN LOWER THAT FUND BALANCE. YOU WOULD SEE A LARGER IMPACT TO YOUR OPERATING RESERVE THAT WOULDN'T RECOVER AS QUICKLY WITH THE WQA. YOU RUN THE RISK OF RUNNING BELOW FUND BALANCE RESERVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT COULDN'T WORK HERE. I'M JUST SAYING OR THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE IMPLEMENTED. I'M NOT REALLY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER FOR IT OR AGAINST IT, BUT TO KEEP FROM IMPACTING OUR BUDGET, MY RECOMMENDATION PERSONALLY IS TO WAIT FOR A RATE STUDY TO COME OUT. WE CAN HAVE THEM MODEL THE RATE STUDY BASED ON WQA AND BASED ON THE TIERED STRUCTURE KIND OF THAT WE'RE UNDER RIGHT NOW AND REALLY SEE WHAT THE OVERALL IMPACT IS GOING TO BE. COULD IT COME BACK THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE RATES AT ALL? SURE, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY IT WILL. >> I JUST THINK THAT MAYBE WAITING UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO BETTER GAUGE WHAT THAT IMPACT WOULD BE WOULD BE THE PATH FORWARD. BUT LIKE I SAID, IF COUNCIL ELECTS TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, WE'LL PUSH FORWARD WITH MAYBE COMING BACK WITH A TIGHTER ORDINANCE, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TOO BECAUSE WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT ALL OF THOSE IMPACTS THAT ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR ALL CONTINGENCIES, BASICALLY, THERE'S NO WAY TO ACCOUNT FOR THEM ALL, BUT FOR MOST OF THEM AND WHAT THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE SAYS. >> HOW WOULD YOU ACCOUNT FOR NEW RESIDENTS MOVING IN? HOW WOULD YOU CALCULATE THEIR WQA? >> WHAT WOULD ALSO BE DONE, EVERY WINTER QUARTER WOULD BE SETTING A CITYWIDE AVERAGE. NEW CUSTOMERS THAT COME IN. THEY WOULD THEN PAY A CITYWIDE AVERAGE FOR THEIR WQA BILL, PER SE, FOR WASTEWATER SERVICES. >> IN OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY JUST WAIT UNTIL THEY'VE HAD THAT 12 MONTH OF HISTORY. >> THEY'RE MAILED AT THE NORMAL TIERED STRUCTURE. >> THE DRAFT IN FRONT OF YOU CONTEMPLATES WHAT KELLY SAYS, BUT THAT'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION AND DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. >> THAT'S ONE OF MY POINT. THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FAIRNESS AND EQUITY. YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTS LIKE WILL WAS SAYING, THAT MAY HAVE A LEAK IN THE WINTER MONTH, AND THAT'S GOING TO SET THEIR RATE AT A MUCH HIGHER RATE, BUT YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE THE FAMILY THAT LEAVES FOR THREE WEEKS AROUND CHRISTMAS, AND NOW THEY HAVE A SKEWED NUMBER OF THE OTHER DIRECTIONS. [03:30:02] THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR THEIR FAIR SHARE THROUGH THE SUMMER MONTHS. THERE ARE MANY CONTINGENCIES THAT YOU HAVE TO PLAY IN FOR AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL OF THEM. LIKE I SAID, IMPLEMENT IT, DON'T IMPLEMENT IT, WHICHEVER WAY, I'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES GET IMPLEMENTED. BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING OF ALL OF THESE THINGS. EVEN IF WE'RE GOING TO WAIT TILL AFTER THE NEXT QUARTER TO SET EVERYBODY'S WINTER QUARTER, THEN THAT GIVES US SOME TIME TO WORK THROUGH THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE BEFORE AND MAYBE ADOPTED ALL AND ONE GO. >> I PERSONALLY JUST HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. WE DID THAT STUDY. THEY PROVIDED ALL THAT INFORMATION. I KNOW THE DATA IS SKEWED IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER PORTION OF IT, BUT AS FAR AS HOW THAT IS IMPLEMENTED AND ALL THAT, IT WAS ALREADY DONE. >> IN THAT RATE STUDY, ALSO, COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON, NOT TO INTERRUPT. I APOLOGIZE, BUT IT STATED THAT A RATE STUDY SHOULD BE CONDUCTED ANNUALLY AFTER THAT AS WELL IN THE RESULTS OF THAT STUDY. WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT EITHER. >> I GUESS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE ON RECORD FOR THIS BODY. AS SOMEBODY IN SUPPORT OF THE WQA, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONCERTED EFFORT GOING TOWARDS IMPLEMENTING IT. WHEREVER THAT IS RESPONSIBLY THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE CORRECTLY. I THINK IT'S BY TIME THAT WE DO HAVE THIS IN. I KNOW THAT OTHER CITIES DO THERE'S A LOT OF DATA OUT THERE ON THIS. I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT WOULD BE A BAD THING, BUT I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT THERE ARE MEASURES THAT WE NEED TO TAKE, AND I'M ALL FOR MEASURING THREE TIMES CUTTING MORE. IF THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR THIS TO BE IMPLEMENTED RESPONSIBLY, I'M ALL FOR IT. >> IN A PROPOSED ORDINANCE, I KNOW THE THING THAT I THINK OF IS THIS MORATORIUM, THERE'S A WAY TO APPLY FOR A WAIVER. IT'S A METHOD FOR SOMEONE TO GO BEYOND THE ORDINANCE AND GET APPROVAL FROM THE GOVERNING BODY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY YOU CAN ANTICIPATE THE UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCE BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW MURPHY'S LAW. IF YOU CAN THINK OF IT, IT CAN HAPPEN. WELL, SOME THINGS YOU DON'T THINK OF THAT STILL HAPPENS. EXPLORE A PATH OF PUTTING A CLAUSE IN THERE, I DON'T KNOW LACK A BETTER TERM THAT ALLOWS US TO MAKE A JUDGMENT CALL FOR A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT COMES UP THAT WE DON'T HAVE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE TO COVER, SUCH AS A LEAK IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER. WE CAN COVER THAT WITH THE FIVE MONTH RULE WHERE YOU DROP THE HIGH, DROP THE LOW, ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN THE WRITTEN ORDINANCE, BUT THOSE THINGS THAT COME UP THAT WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR IN THE ORDINANCE, THAT WE MAYBE CAN PUT A CLAUSE IN THERE THAT ALLOWS AN APPEAL OR ALLOWS SOMEONE TO COME AND APPROACH AND SAY, HEY, LOOK AT THIS UNIQUE SITUATION, GIVE US A CHANCE TO MAKE IT RIGHT. >> CERTAINLY. THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH AN INTERNAL POLICY THAT'S REFERENCED BY THE ORDINANCE TO SAY, WELL, THIS IS HOW YOU DEAL WITH THAT AND HERE'S WHO CAN AMEND THAT POLICY OR WHATEVER. THAT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, I THINK THAT AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO MAYBE HAVE A WORKSHOP SESSION JUST AROUND WQA TO THINK OF THESE THINGS. MAYBE YOU GUYS COULD TAKE THE ORDINANCE AS PROPOSED, REVIEW IT, AND THEN PROVIDE CITY MANAGEMENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THINGS THAT YOU THINK OF. >> WE'LL BE SURE TO THAT A LOT. THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS. PREVIOUS COMMUNITIES. WE HAD SOME POLICIES. WE HAD SOME DISCRETION AT THE STAFF LEVEL. IF COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, WE WOULD HAVE PROPOSED SOMETHING SIMILAR TO BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO BRING EVERY SINGLE DISPUTE TO THIS BODY BECAUSE WE WOULD BE HERE LATER THAN WE ARE TONIGHT. WE WANT TO MAKE IT AS STREAMLINED, AS EFFECTIVE AS POSSIBLE FOR ANY RESIDENT TO PICK UP THE PHONE, CALL THE STAFF AND SAY, HEY, I HAVE AN ISSUE. WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM ME? IS IT A RECEIPT? IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN GIVE US WITH SOME SUBSTANCE THAT ALLOW US TO HAVE SOME DISCRETION AS PROFESSIONALS TO MAKE THOSE TYPE OF CALLS? COUNCIL, TRUST US WITH THAT. WE HAVE THE INTEGRITY AND THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO MAKE THOSE TYPE OF CALLS. I FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT WITH OUR TEAM TODAY TO DO THAT. WE CAN BUILD A LOT OF THAT IN THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE COUNCIL FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING THAT VERY GOAL. THAT WOULD BE I THINK A PROVISION THAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE OR AT LEAST THAT SUGGESTION TO MAKE TO THE COUNCIL TONIGHT. >> IS THIS ITEM THAT WE WANT TO TABLE OR JUST I GUESS I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME. [03:35:02] >> YOUR HONOR, I BELIEVE WE PROBABLY NEED TO TABLE THIS AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US DO THE RATE WATER STUDY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. GET THAT SCHEDULE AND ALSO GET IT ON THE SCHEDULE THAT WE DO ANNUALLY LIKE WE SHOULD. THAT WAY, EVERYTHING STAYS EVEN ACROSS THE BOARD, LIKE THEY SAID EARLIER THAT IT ROLLER COASTERS, I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY, I FORGOT THE EXACT TERM THEY SAID, BUT THAT WE HAVE A RATE STUDY EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS, THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN OUR RATES GO UP, THAT REALLY MAKES PEOPLE MAD, BUT IF IT'S EVERY YEAR AND IT JUST GOES UP A FEW CENTS, BECAUSE IT'S A PASS THROUGH WHATEVER NORTH TEXAS IS DOING, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT EASIER, I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY. BUT I MAKE A MOTION WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE CAN GET THE RATE STUDY DONE AND GET THIS DONE PROPERLY. >> WE CAN'T MOTION FOR SOMETHING TO BE INDEFINITE. CAN WE? DO HAVE TO SET A DATE FOR THAT? >> I WOULD I'D PREFER ANYTIME YOU TABLE FOR IT TO BE TO A DATE CERTAIN. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO DO A RATE STUDY, BUT ONE WAY YOU COULD POSSIBLY FRAME THE MOTION WOULD BE MOTION TO TABLE. >> I'D MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT FOR THE NEXT UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER, IN THAT TIME, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND OUT WHEN A RATE STUDY CAN BE IMPLEMENTED. >> WE COULD BRING BACK A TIMELINE ON THE RATE STUDY. I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE PRIOR RATE CONSULTANTS. I KNOW THAT ANOTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE BUDGET WORK SHOP WAS THE CIP PLAN THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER THAT WILL IMPACT THE RATE PLAN AS WELL. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE BEFORE WE PUSH IT FORWARD TO THE CONSULTANTS. >> WE CAN'T DO THE CIP PLAN UNTIL WE HAVE A CIP COMMITTEE WHICH WE HAVE NOT STARTED. >> THERE'S SOME OF THOSE IMPORTANT CAPITAL PROJECTS YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU CAPTURE INTO THAT RATE, TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH FUND BALANCE AND RATE TO SUSTAIN THAT CAPITAL. WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING EARLY NEXT YEAR, PROBABLY FOR THAT CAPITAL TO BE WRAPPED UP. LET ME JUST PLAY TIMELINES HERE, IF THAT'S WRAPPED UP EARLY NEXT YEAR, YOU CAN PROBABLY CAN SAY THAT WE CAN START CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RATE CONSULTANT EARLY NEXT YEAR AS WELL SO THE TIMING CAN HAPPEN. HEY, WE APPROVE THIS OBVIOUSLY WITH THE CA COMMITTEE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, MAKING SURE EVERYBODY APPROVES EVERYTHING GETS BEFORE COUNCIL. COUNCIL BLESSES THAT, AND THEN WE CAN TURN AROUND AND DO A RATE STUDY RIGHT BEHIND THAT. THAT'S JUST A REAL GENERAL TIMELINE WE COULD FOLLOW EARLY NEXT YEAR. >> MY MOTION TO TABLE IT UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER, THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME IDEA. WHEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THE RATE STUDY AND WHAT ELSE GOES WITH IT, AND THEN WE CAN TABLE IT AGAIN OR WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO? >> WE CAN WE CAN COME BACK NOVEMBER 10TH WITH A TIMELINE. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. IF THAT SUFFICE WITH THE COUNCIL, THEN WE CAN DETERMINE IF WE NEED TO TABLE IT AGAIN OR GIVE YOU ACTUAL TIMELINE. >> I'LL SET IN THE MOTION. >> NO. WHAT IS THE MOTION FOR NOVEMBER, CAN WE STATE THE MOTION AGAIN, FOR ME PLEASE? >> THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER. >> BRIAN'S SECOND. THE MOTION IS TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER, WHICH WILL BE NOVEMBER 10TH, AND BRIAN'S SECOND. RIGHT NOW, WE CAN VOTE. I'M AT THE TABLE 6-0. AT THIS TIME, THE TIME IS 10:44, [J. EXECUTIVE SESSION] AND THIS WILL TAKE IT INTO EXECUTIVE. SECTION 551.07 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY. THIS WILL BE FOR PRINCETON PROFESSIONAL PARK. SECTION 551.072 TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. GOVERNMENT BODY CONDUCT A CLOSED MEETING TO DELIBERATE A PURCHASE EXCHANGE VALUE OR REAL PROPERTY OF DELIBERATION, AND AN OPEN MEETING WOULD HAVE BEEN DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON THE POSITION OF THE GOVERNMENT BODY IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH A THIRD PERSON. THIS WOULD BE FOR PRINCETON PROFESSIONAL PARK. THE TIME IS 11:18, [K. ACTION PERTAINING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION] AND THIS WILL TAKE US OUTSIDE OF EXECUTIVE. THERE IS NO ITEMS TO VOTE ON FOR EXECUTIVE. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> REPORT AGENDA. >> WE NEED L 9. WE'LL GO TO L 9. [L9. 2025-261 Consider approving a request for items to be placed on a future agenda and NOT for discussion of these requests.] [03:40:03] >> L 9. CONSIDER PROVING A REQUESTS FOR ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA AND NOT FOR DISCUSSION OF THE REQUEST. >> I HAVE TWO ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE, I KNOW GRANT IS GOING TO CRINGE ON THIS ONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING BACK THE BRAIN EXECUTIVE SESSION TRANSPARENCY AMENDMENT. I BELIEVE I SENT THE EMAIL ON THE FORMATTING AND WORDING OF THAT. THE SECOND ITEM IS THE TOWN HALL DISCUSSION REVIEW FORMATTING AND AGREEMENT DATE. >> THEN I HAVE A FEW. I WOULD LIKE US TO BE IN COLLECTING THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE CIP COMMITTEE. I WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT PULLING UP THE STAFF SURVEY, BUT THIS TIME, MAKING IT 100 PERCENT ANONYMOUS SO THAT NOT EVEN HR KNOWS WHO WROTE WHAT. A PRESENTATION ON WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THE LIGHTS ON MONTE CARLO. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM JIM ON WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES THROUGH THE EDC, CDC. >> THAT WOULD TAKE US TO ITEM. SORRY. THE ITEM, M. >> CAN WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION THE LIGHTS OF MONTE CARLO, WE TALK CHRISTMAS LIGHTS OR? >> NO, THE LIGHTS STREET LIGHT. >> THE RESIDENT CAME. >> I DROVE OUT THERE AT NINE O'CLOCK AT NIGHT TO LOOK AT IT. I COULD READ A BOOK IN THEIR FRONT YARD. THE LIGHTS ARE BEHIND THEM. >> GOT YOU. >> IT'S THAT BRIGHT. >> THEN IN THE STAFF SURVEY, DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? >> SORRY. >> WE DO A SURVEY OR WE DID ONE LAST YEAR. I THINK WITH ALL THE TURNOVER WE'VE HAD, WE SHOULD DO ANOTHER ONE. BUT ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAS MADE IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE WAS, THEY SAY IT WAS ANONYMOUS, BUT SOME STAFF COULD KNOW WHO DID WHAT. I THINK IT SHOULD BE COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS. NOBODY NEEDS TO KNOW WHO WROTE WHAT. I THINK THAT'LL MAKE PEOPLE MORE COMFORTABLE. >> THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONDUCT INTERNALLY FOR SURE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, BEN. >> PIGGYBACKING ON THE STREET LIGHT. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ALSO LOOK INTO A POTENTIAL. I CAN'T RECALL. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK UP THE EXACT. I'LL HAVE TO SEND YOU THE EXACT ARTICLE I READ, BUT THERE'S A MOVEMENT TO CHANGE ORDINANCE TO NON FLASHING LEDS OF AMBER COLOR. BECAUSE LEDS FLASH. YOU CAN'T SEE IT WITH YOUR EYES, BUT THEY DO. BUT THERE'S NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT YOU CAN GET LEDS FOR STREET LAMPS SPECIFICALLY THAT AREN'T BRIGHT WHITE. THEY'RE MORE OF THAT AMBER COLOR, AND THEY DON'T FLASH. MAYBE IF YOU CAN DABBLE INTO THAT AND SEE WHAT CAN POTENTIALLY COME FROM THAT BECAUSE I DISLIKE THOSE WHITE LIGHTS JUST AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY ELSE. >> WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S PROBABLY THE TEMPERATURE OF THE LED, PROBABLY, MAYBE CAN CHANGE, BUT WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT, SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE FOR THOSE LIGHTS. >> I'LL TAKE THIS ITEM, M, MISS COOK. [M. REPORT AGENDA] >> THE NEXT REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, MONDAY, OCTOBER 27TH, 6:30 PM. THE NEXT REGULAR EDC MEETING, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 21ST, 6:00 PM. THE NEXT REGULAR CDC MEETING, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 15TH, 6:00 PM. THE NEXT REGULAR P&Z MEETING, MONDAY, OCTOBER 20TH, 6:30 PM. THE NEXT AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETING, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 22ND, 6:30 PM. THE NEXT HRC REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING, THURSDAY, OCTOBER 23RD, 6:30 PM. THE NEXT SPECIAL LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD MEETING, THURSDAY, OCTOBER 23RD, 6:30 PM. THAT'S A LOT. >> NOW, AT THIS TIME, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> I MOVE THAT WE ADJOURN. >> I NEED A SECOND. >> SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AYE. >> AYE. >> THE TIME IS 11:22. >> I KNOW SHE'S LEFT ALREADY, BUT WE HIRED A NEW PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICE DIRECTOR. SHE ALREADY I THINK BAILED. SHE HAD QUITE A LONG DRIVE. I WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE HER TONIGHT. I'VE SENT ALL ON THE WEEKLY REPORT THAT HER NAME IS SHAI ROOS. HOPEFULLY AT THE NEXT MEETING OR IF YOU SEE HER AROUND, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OFFICIALLY TO HER. APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 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