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GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET THIS STARTED AT 6:30 P.M.
[A. CALL TO ORDER]
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER. MONDAY, OCTOBER 20TH, 2025.IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME IN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
HERE. MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYBODY HERE. MS.ELLIS, ARE YOU HERE? PRESENT.
MR. COOPER? I'M SORRY. YES, PRESENT. AND MR. AL QARAGHULI.
HERE. MR. HESLEP. PRESENT. AND MS. RILES-SHAVERS.
PRESENT AND MYSELF. MR. RYAN SHIFLET ARE ALL HERE.
MS. KRUM IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING. ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC APPEARANCE. SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO RESPOND OR TO DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP DURING THE SESSION THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A SPEAKER'S INQUIRY, OR TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO AN INQUIRY.
ANYBODY HERE FOR PUBLIC APPEARANCE THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT.
NOBODY HERE. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA.
[D. CONSENT AGENDA]
ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND WILL BE ENACTED BY 1 MOTION.THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS THE COMMISSIONER. SO REQUESTS IN WHICH THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED IN ITS NORMAL SEQUENCE ON THE AGENDA. ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
TONIGHT WE HAVE D.1 THE MINUTES FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING.
D.2 FP20253118, AND NUMBER 3 IS CP20253089. I MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS IS. I'VE GOT A MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. I'VE GOT A MOTION A SECOND.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE VOTING FOR THAT.
SO I THINK WE'RE MISSING 1 VOTE. THERE WE GO.
AND CONSENT AGENDA PASSES. 6-0 MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THIS EVENING.
[E. PUBLIC HEARINGS]
PUBLIC HEARING ZA20243021. ZONE MAP AMENDMENT PRINCETON TOWN CENTER DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AND RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST FROM TRINATION GLOBAL INVESTMENTS P67 PARTNERSHIP FOR A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT FOR A PROPERTY BEARING 66.623 ACRE TRACT OF LAND SITUATED IN THE HARDIN WRIGHT SURVEY. ABSTRACT NUMBER 957 CITY OF PRINCETON, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS.GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION. MY NAME IS CRAIG FISHER.
I'M THE PLANNING AND ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE CITY.
THIS REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE EXISTING PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, OR PD NUMBER 43.
SO IT'S AN EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT. THE PURPOSE OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS TO CREATE A UNIQUE ZONING DISTRICT THAT'S SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPERTY WITH SPECIFIC REGULATIONS. THOSE REGULATIONS ARE OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ALSO EXHIBIT E WITHIN THE PACKET.
HAS THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. SO THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN A BASE ZONING OF C2, WHICH IS OUR GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, WITH A FEW MODIFICATIONS.
AND I'LL GO THROUGH THE PROPOSED STIPULATIONS FOR THE 66 ACRE SITE.
MISS CORSON, IF YOU COULD SCROLL DOWN TO EXHIBIT E, PLEASE.
SO THE FIRST IS REGARDING LAND USE THE DEVELOPER'S REQUESTING THAT EXTERIOR SELLS AS AN ACCESSORY AND ANCILLARY USE WITH THE SUPERSTORE, INCLUDING THE SALE AND OR RENTAL OF EQUIPMENT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO TRAILERS, MOVING TRUCKS, ETC., AND TEMPORARY SEASONAL SALES IN THE PARKING LOT.
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AND THEN A SECOND AREA THAT DEVELOPERS WISHING TO MODIFY FROM THE BASE REQUIREMENTS IS UNDER PARKING STANDARDS.THERE'S A NUMBER OF REDUCTIONS THAT ARE REQUESTED.
SO THE MINIMUM THEY'RE PROPOSING OR REQUESTING TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM PARKING FOR RETAIL SUPERSTORES FROM FIVE SPACES PER THOUSAND TO FOUR SPACES FOR PER 1000 GROSS SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA, AND THEN ALSO FOR BUILDING MATERIALS AND HARDWARE HARDWARE SALES, THE DEVELOPERS REQUESTING TO REDUCE FROM 5 SPACES PER 1000 TO 3 SPACES PER 1000.
I'LL DEFER TO THE DEVELOPER ON THIS. THE REASONS FOR THAT REQUEST.
AND THEN A THIRD BULLET POINT ON THAT PARKING.
AND THEN MOVING ON TO HEIGHT AND AREA REGULATIONS, THE DEVELOPERS ARE REQUESTING TO TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH TO 60FT AND TO INCREASE THE BUILDING HEIGHT TO 45FT. THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT UNDER CONSTRUCTION JUST NORTH OF THIS PROJECT ALONG NORTH BEACH AND BOULEVARD. HARVARD FLATS HAS A SIMILAR MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 45FT.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO MATCH THAT. AGAIN, MOVING ON.
THIS WILL BE AN ENHANCED BUFFER ALONG PRINCETON DRIVE OR 380 AND LOTS WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN 1 PARK, 1 TREE LOCATED IN THE PARKING AREA PER 20 PARKING SPACES.
WHEREAS THE BASE ORDINANCE REQUIRES 1 TREE FOR EVERY 10 PARKING SPACES.
THE BASE REQUIREMENT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS 10%.
AND THEN PROPOSED SIGN CHANGES. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHANGES PROPOSED.
THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING TO PROHIBIT POLL SIGNS.
IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, POLL SIGNS ARE PERMITTED IN THE CITY ONLY ALONG 380.
BUT WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THEY'RE ASKING TO PROHIBIT THOSE.
AND IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT HAVE INCREASED HEIGHT ALLOWANCES FOR MONUMENT SIGNS.
MOVING ON TO EXTERIOR WALL CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS THE DEVELOPERS IS WILLING TO COMMIT TO HAVING 75% OF THE BUILDING'S EXTERIORS COMPOSED OF MASONRY REQUIRING MASONRY MATERIALS.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE TILT WALL CONCRETE, BRICK OR STONE OR STUCCO OR SIMILAR MATERIAL.
AT PRESENT, THE CITY CANNOT REGULATE THE EXTERIOR WALL CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS.
THIS IS PRETTY COMMON WITH HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTERS OR LARGE RETAILERS TO HAVE OUTDOOR AREA, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT ENCLOSED WITHIN CHAIN LINK. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUESTED CHANGES.
WHAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND IT? I KNOW WE'LL HAVE TO COME UP TO EXPLAIN THAT, BUT FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WAS, I GUESS, YOUR BASIS OF APPROVING THESE ALL OF THESE CHANGES? SURE. SO I THINK THE LANDSCAPING AND PARKING.
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AND I KNOW THAT IN THIS COMMUNITY, DRAINAGE IS A BIG CONCERN.SO IT'S GOING TO HELP WITH THE DRAINAGE SITUATION.
THE SIGNAGE I THINK IS A NO BRAINER. PERSONALLY, I THINK THE SIGNS ARE AREN'T VERY ATTRACTIVE.
SO FROM AN ESTHETIC PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S A WIN FOR THE CITY.
AND THEN THE EXTERIOR WALL CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS.
STATE LAW PROHIBITS THE CITY FROM ENFORCING SUCH ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS.
BUT IF THEY'RE IN THE PD, WE CAN ENFORCE THEM.
SO I THINK THERE ARE A FEW TRADE OFFS. SO FOR THAT REASON, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES? YEAH, I THINK INITIALLY MY ONLY CONCERN WAS JUST THE REDUCTION OF PARKING.
SO BEFORE WE MADE THESE CHANGES, YOU KNOW WHAT'S AND I DIDN'T LOCATE IT HERE AND I APOLOGIZE.
WHAT WAS THE OVERALL TOTAL BEFORE AND NOW WHAT WOULD BE THE NEW CHANGE BASED OFF OF THE THE PROPOSED CHANGES? I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER FOR YOU ON. ARE YOU ASKING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED VERSUS HOW MUCH ARE BEING PROVIDED? CORRECT. OKAY. I'LL DEFER TO THE DEVELOPERS IF THEY MAY HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
GOOD EVENING. ROBERT LEWIS, 2600 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, RICHARDSON, TEXAS.
OUR RATIO IS LISTED ON OUR CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL REPORT.
THE SHOPPING CENTER AS A WHOLE IS PROVIDING A LITTLE BETTER THAN A 4.5.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE OVERALL TOTAL REDUCTION WOULD BE? HOW MANY SPACES ARE WE ACTUALLY LOSING? IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND I APOLOGIZE.
GO ON MUTE FOR A SECOND AND DO SOME SOME MATH HERE ON MY CALCULATOR.
AND THEN THE MATH TO GET TO THE TOTAL REDUCTION FROM THE PREVIOUS REQUIREMENT.
I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO DO OUT LOUD.
SHORT ANSWER, MR. COOPER. I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT NUMBER AT THE MOMENT.
I COULD GO BACK TO THE BACK AND SIT DOWN AND RUN THESE CALCULATIONS FOR YOU, BUT.
WE DO NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. SO PERHAPS WHILE WE'RE HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING, MR. LEWIS CAN DO THOSE CALCULATIONS FOR YOU. DOES THAT WORK? YEAH. AND I HAVE 1 QUICK QUESTION ON THE PARKING SPOTS.
ARE YOU ABLE TO TELL US WHICH LOTS A, B, C, D WHICH ONES ARE YOU'RE LOOKING TO DECREASE, OR IS IT ALL OF THEM OVERALL? WE'RE ASKING FOR THE REDUCTION TO BE APPLIED ACROSS THE SHOPPING CENTER.
BUT WE DO KNOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME WHICH ONES THAT THAT'S OCCURRING WITH.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS TO PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY.
IF A LOT WERE NEEDING TO BE REPLANTED FOR A, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER REASON, A TENANT REQUIREMENT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE PROVIDED THE COMPOSITE RATIO REQUIREMENT AS WELL.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.
TAKE ANY COMMENTS. I GOT A QUESTION. SO I JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT YOU TO CONFIRM WHETHER THE MARKET STREET OR TRACK 2 PORTION OF THIS HAS BEEN LEGALLY CONVEYED AND RECORDED SEPARATELY FROM THE TOWN CENTER TRACT. THAT I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE THAT SITE IS NOT PART OF THIS ZONING REQUEST.
THIS REQUEST IS ON A 66 ACRE TRACT. DOES NOT INCLUDE MARKET STREET HAD BEEN PROPOSED.
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THIS IS. NO. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME AT 18:45.AND WE'LL GO AHEAD. AND KEEP IT OPEN.
ORIGINALLY BACK IN THIS WAS ZONED BACK IN 2023.
AND IT OR I'M SORRY, 2024 REZONED IN 2024. AND SINCE THEN THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT DRAINAGE AND THAT DETENTION POND THEY'VE GOT THERE. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING LIKE 5 ACRES NOW. ORIGINALLY THEY SAID THEY DID NOT NEED ONE, AND THEY'VE NOT FURNISHED ANYTHING INDICATING WHAT THEY DO OR DO NOT NEED. I'M WONDERING WHY NONE OF YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONED WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THAT.
JUST LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION SUBMITTALS, THEY HAVE MULTIPLE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT SUBMITTALS.
WHY ARE THEY NOT INCLUDING IT FOR THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE? OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, THEY'RE NOT GIVING YOU ANY INFORMATION.
THERE HAVE BEEN DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS SUBMITTED.
THERE SHOULD BE ENGINEER COMMENTS. WHY DIDN'T THEY TURN THOSE OVER TO YOU? DO YOU THINK THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT? AGAIN, THEIR ENGINEERS HAVE SAID WE DO NOT NEED THAT DETENTION POND.
I RECOMMEND THAT YOU GUYS QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THEY'VE HAD ANYTHING APPROVED THERE.
I KNOW FOR A FACT THEY HAVEN'T. I'VE ASKED THE CITY TO TURN THEM OVER TO ME.
IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS NOW. THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION ON HAND.
I THINK THEY'RE WRITING OUT THEIR ABILITY TO NOT TURN OVER INFORMATION AND TO WITHHOLD IT.
THEY SHOULD HAVE THIS INFORMATION READY FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT. SO I COULD BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH YOU IF I'VE HAD ANY CONCERNS, BUT THEY HAVE NOT. SO I WOULD, I WOULD QUESTION WHY WE ARE HAVING THIS HEARING WITHOUT THEM ACTUALLY TURNING ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OVER TO YOU.
NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOME DEPOT BACK THE THAT WE, MOST OF US GO TO.
I'M A DIYER AND I SPEND A LOT OF TIME AT THE HOME DEPOT.
IT'S A LOT FURTHER DRIVE THAN IT USED TO BE. BUT IF YOU LOOK, THAT ONE WAS APPROVED BACK IN THE 1990S, ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO, AND THEY MADE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS IN THERE THAT 30 YEARS LATER, THE FASTEST GROWING CITY IN THE UNITED STATES IS NOT EVEN CONSIDERING THAT ADDITIONAL EROSION CONTROLS, ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE ZONING IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S THERE ALSO.
WE'VE KIND OF GIVEN THEM A BLANK, A BLANK CHECK BASED ON THE WAY THIS IS DRAFTED.
I KNOW THEY HAVEN'T SAID THE WORDS HOME DEPOT, BUT THE DEVELOPERS SAID.
THAT'S WHO THEY'RE LOOKING AT AGAIN. THAT'S A BIG DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE IN MCKINNEY.
THEY IT'S IT'S NOT JUST FOR HOME DEPOT. IT'S FOR EVERYTHING THERE AT THAT CORNER.
WHY ARE WE NOT DOING THAT? WHY ARE WE GIVING A BLANK CHECK TO THE ENTIRE PD? FOR A PD THAT IS CONTINUOUSLY CHANGED AND STORES HAVE CONTINUOUSLY CHANGED A LOT.
LIKE EVERY TIME THAT THEY HAVE COME BEFORE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PLANS HAVE CHANGED.
I RECOMMEND MAKING THEM VERY SPECIFIC. THAT WAY, IF THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THINGS UP ON YOU, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS APPROVE OF IT. LET'S NOT GIVE THEM A BLANK CHECK. AS FAR AS THE PARKING GOES.
THAT'S A 40% REDUCTION FROM WHAT WE HAVE AT WALMART.
THE 3 ARE THE 3 PARKING SPACES FOR EVERY WHATEVER IT IS.
EVERY 1000 SQUARE FEET OR WHATEVER. IT WALMART IS 5 PARKING SPACES.
SO 40% REDUCTION FROM THAT WALMART THESE DAYS.
TRY TO FIND A PARKING SPACE DURING ANY RELATIVELY BUSY TIME.
IT'S A HUGE REDUCTION IN PARKING. YOU KNOW, THE REASON THAT THEY GAVE YOU A REALLY QUESTION?
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I MEAN, THEY WANT A MORE BUILDINGS THERE. THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE LESS PARKING.THAT'S THE REASON THEY WANT MORE BUILDINGS IN A SMALLER AREA.
THERE'S NO OTHER REASON FOR IT. THEY CAN BLUE SKY ALL THEY WANT.
AS FAR AS THE GREEN SPACE GOES, I RECOMMEND YOU GUYS GO LOOK AT OUR TREE ORDINANCES.
OUR TREE ORDINANCES ARE BURIED IN THERE. POORLY NAMED.
THEY'RE IN THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE SECTION OF OF THE OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
WE'RE PAVING PARADISE AND PUTTING UP A PARKING LOT, AND WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO REPLACE THAT WITH.
BECAUSE ONCE YOU GUYS APPROVE THIS, YOU ARE YOU'RE BYPASSING YOU'RE NOT BECAUSE IT BEING A PD, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO MEET OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN ORDINANCES IN ADDITION TO C-2 OR WHATEVER IT IS.
I WANT TO NOT HAVE TO TRAVEL AN HOUR PLUS TO GO TO HOME DEPOT.
BUT THIS DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES TO CHANGE EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY APPEAR IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND WE GET INFORMATION THAT'S NOT RIGHT. NAIL THEM DOWN.
BE SPECIFIC. ANOTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT 1 ROAD THAT GOES BEHIND THE DEVELOPMENT THERE, I ASSUME ALL OR MOST OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH BOWERMAN ROAD.
I MEAN, THEY'RE HAVING TO REDO IT. WE SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO REDO IT.
THAT ROAD BEHIND THERE IS IS ON PAR WITH WHERE? BOWERMAN. WHAT? BOWERMAN AT? AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THERE.
AS SOON AS THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BEING BUILT. AND MY GUESS, AND WHILE IT'S BEING BUILT I KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPERS TRYING TO WORK OUT A CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT WITH THE OWNERS THAT ARE BACK THERE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY SO THAT HE CAN BRING CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS BACK THERE.
THAT STREET IS NOT GOING TO SURVIVE THE FIRST MONTH OF CONSTRUCTION.
IT IS. YOU NEED A FOUR WHEEL DRIVE, ALMOST. AND THAT'S AFTER THEY DO THIS WORK FOR CERTAIN YOU WILL THEY NEED TO TO THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS THEM TO REDO THAT STREET, BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT TO HAVE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC, NOT ONLY DURING CONSTRUCTION BUT AFTER CONSTRUCTION.
YOU KNOW, I COULD GO ON, BUT REALLY, THERE'S A LOT.
AGAIN, I WASN'T ABLE TO GET IT. I'D PROBABLY BE ABLE TO BE A LOT MORE SPECIFIC IF I WAS ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION, IF THEY WERE INCLUDING IT WITH THE AGENDAS AS THEY DID BEFORE I RESIGNED FROM THE COMMISSION. AS SOON AS I RESIGNED, Y'ALL GOT NOTHING.
AGAIN, YOU'RE MOVING BACKWARDS. I RECOMMEND THAT YOU THINK TO YOURSELF, WHY ARE YOU HERE? WHY ARE YOU SPENDING YOUR TIME DOING THIS? YOU ARE MOVING BACKWARDS.
DON'T THEY WANT THAT? DO NOT ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.
IT'S JUST INFORMATION SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS FOR ALL OF US.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:54 P.M.
I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR CRAIG AS FAR AS ENGINEERING CONCERNED, SO MENTIONED ABOUT THE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT, THE RETENTION POND REQUIREMENT. NO NEED FOR TREE MITIGATION.
THE ADDED YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING INCREASING TO ASSIST WITH DRAINAGE.
COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT, THOSE ITEMS AT ALL? SURE.
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SO THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE CITY'S DRAINAGE CRITERIA.WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THEIR CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS, THEIR DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENTS.
I THE CURRENT PLANS, THE MOST RECENT SUBMITTAL, DO SHOW THAT DETENTION POND.
I CAN ENSURE THAT NO PERMITS WILL BE ISSUED UNTIL THEY MEET THE CITY'S DRAINAGE CRITERIA.
THE INCREASED LANDSCAPING DOES HELP. DEFINITELY.
THE LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE YOU HAVE, THE LESS RUNOFF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE.
SO THEY'RE NOT GETTING ANY LEEWAY FROM THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO ANY TREES THAT ARE PRESERVED ON SITE CAN BE USED TO MEET THE LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE, AND THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE IN EVERY AREA THAT'S ADDRESSED IN THE PD AND NOT ADDRESSED IF THE PD DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS IT.
WE FALL BACK TO THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS. SO THE BOTH WILL WILL APPLY.
THANK YOU. YEAH. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I DID HAVE WAS ABOUT, I GUESS, THE OVERALL TOTAL. I THINK PARKING COMMISSIONERS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS I'M CONCERNED WITH.
IT TO ME, JUST MY MATH IN MY HEAD. IT APPEARS TO BE A HUGE REDUCTION OF PARKING FOR LANDSCAPING.
NOT SAYING IT'S NOT IMPORTANT, BUT IN GENERAL, IF WE'RE CONSTANTLY GROWING I HATE THAT WE MADE A CONCESSION OVER LANDSCAPING AND NOW NOBODY HAS A PARK TO GO TO. THIS, THIS GREAT TOWN CENTER, A SHOPPING CENTER.
THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN AT THE MOMENT. AND I KIND OF HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE PARKING PART, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DURING THE HOLIDAY SEASON, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW HOLIDAY SALES OUTSIDE LIKE THE OTHERS DO, THEN THAT'S GOING TO DECREASE THE PARKING AVAILABILITY EVEN MORE.
SO WE'RE ALREADY DECREASING IT WITH AN EXTRA ADDED DECREASE.
AND I KNOW IT'S ONLY A FEW TIMES A YEAR, BUT IT'S STILL.
AND WITH THE DECREASE IN THE PARKING SPACES AND THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO LIMIT HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN COME, HOW IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT SAFETY? BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A SAFETY CHALLENGE INVOLVED IN IT WITH JUST PEOPLE IN GENERAL DRIVING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOT ALWAYS.
PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS DRIVE THE SMARTEST. SURE.
IF IF WE COULD, I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE DEVELOPER TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THE PARKING.
YEAH. I'LL INTRODUCE MR. ERIC SEITZ, THE DEVELOPER.
THANK YOU. HI, ERIC, I BEEN UP HERE A COUPLE TIMES WITH YOU BEFORE WE REDUCED THE PARKING FROM 1700 SPACES TO APPROXIMATELY 1600. WE WENT FROM 4.8 TO 4.603.
THE REQUIREMENT FOR MOST RETAILERS TODAY, INCLUDING THE TWO, THE ONES WE HAVE IN OUR DEAL, ARE 4 PER 1000. WE LIKE BUILDING LESS BECAUSE THE MORE PARKING YOU BUILD, YOU'RE CREATING MORE RUNOFF.
AND I BUILT A SEA OF IT IN MY CAREER AND I WOULD PREFER TO BUILD LESS.
SO EVERY ONE OF THE BOXES WE HAVE IN HERE AND IT'S ALREADY OUT, KIND OF WHO THEY ARE.
BUT ALL OF THOSE BASICALLY HAVE STANDARDS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AT 4 PER 1000.
THE REST OF THE TIME YOU'RE BUILDING AN OVERFLOW PARKING.
AND FOR ME PERSONALLY, I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF RESOURCE.
SAFETY THERE'LL BE NO SAFETY ISSUES. WE'VE NEVER HAD OUT OF 8,000,000FT².
AND IF IN THE HOLIDAY SEASON, PRINCETON GOES TO THIS CENTER THE WAY I HOPE IT WILL.
WE'D BE HAPPY TO ADD A COUPLE OF GUARDS JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S TAKEN CARE OF.
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I, WE DON'T LIKE DOING THAT BECAUSE TYPICALLY IN A GOOD, WELL-LIT, WELL LANDSCAPED, WELL PARK SHOPPING CENTER WITH GOOD ANCHORS LIKE THIS, YOU JUST DON'T SEE PROBLEMS. WE BUILT IN MCKINNEY, WE'VE BUILT IN SALINA, WE'RE BUILDING IN ANNA, WE'VE BUILT ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND THESE ARE THE STANDARDS THAT WE WE WORK TOWARDS.WE HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES, BUT LOOK WHO WE ADDED.
WE ADDED A BIG GROCERY STORE. WE ADDED, I THINK, THE BEST HOME IMPROVEMENT CHAIN IN THE US.
WE HAVE 2 GREAT, YOU KNOW, SOME GREAT RETAILERS IN THERE.
WE HAVEN'T CHANGED THE PARKING UP FRONT WHERE THE RESTAURANTS ARE GOING TO GO AND PEOPLE LIKE BUFFALO WILD WINGS AND FIRST WATCH AND SOME OF THESE ARE GOING TO HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING. WE INCREASE THE LANDSCAPING ACROSS THE FRONT SO IT WOULD BE PRETTIER.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT. THERE'S ALWAYS CHANGES.
WE DIDN'T THINK WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A POND IN THE BACK, BUT WE DO.
I MET BEFORE THE MEETING WITH THIS, WITH THIS FAMILY THAT'S ADJACENT.
WE ARE NOT DRAINING ONTO THEIR PROPERTY. WE DO NOT NEED AN EASEMENT.
WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS FIX HER DRIVEWAY BECAUSE I SAID I WOULD.
I'M GOING TO GIVE HER A CASH PAYMENT BECAUSE I SAID I WOULD.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
WE DO THAT EVERYWHERE WE GO. I'VE CLEANED THOUSANDS OF POOLS IN MY CAREER BECAUSE WHEN WE MOVE MATERIAL, DIRT FLIES IN THE AIR. SOME GUY MISSES THE MARK AND HE GOES OVER AND HE ACCIDENTALLY BREAKS SOMETHING.
THANK YOU. I JUST DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? IF YOU COULD COME BACK, PLEASE? I MISS THE OVERALL BIG SCHEME OF THE PICTURE.
THIS MAY SEEM VERY SMALL, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THIS VERY SMALL, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE PARKING LOT LIGHTING IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN WHAT I THINK I'M SEEING HERE.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE PLEASED WITH THE LIGHTING PACKAGE.
WE DO. WE? I LIGHT MY CENTERS TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN CITY CODE.
SOMETIMES PEOPLE MAKE FUN OF IT AND SAY, YOU CAN PLAY FOOTBALL UP AT THE FRONT OF WHERE? THE GROCERY STORE. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
BUT IN THAT CENTER AND UP AROUND THE STORES AND IN THE BACK WALL PACKS WILL BE ON THE BACK.
NOT A LOT OF BIG, BIG LIGHTS, BUT WE'LL LIMIT THE SIZE OF THE POLES.
WE WANT ANYONE TO GO THERE AND SHOP UNTIL 10:00 AT NIGHT, WHATEVER THE HOURS ARE, AND FEEL SAFE.
WE ALSO WANT THE LIGHTS TO BE ON AT A STANDARD UNTIL EVERY EMPLOYEE GOES HOME.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT WE'VE NEVER HAD IN 35 YEARS.
AN EMPLOYEE ON ANY OF THE STORES THAT WE'VE LEASED HAVE AN ACCIDENT.
AND THEN I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU. THAT BACK ROAD, GREENFIELD, THERE ARE PARTS OF IT BECAUSE I DROVE ON IT PERSONALLY THAT ARE TORN UP. SO WILL YOU BE WORKING WITH WILL YOU BE PAVING PARTS OF IT FOR YOUR AREA, OR WILL YOU BE WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR IT? BECAUSE I DROVE ON IT AND HONESTLY, IF I WAS IN MY SPORTS CAR, I WOULD NEVER HAVE DRIVEN ON IT BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE DESTROYED IT.
AND THEN I THINK DOWN A LITTLE FARTHER, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
YEAH. SO THERE IS WE HAVE OFFERED FOR THE YOUNG LADY WHO LIVES ADJACENT TO THE POND, WE'RE GOING TO FIX HER DRIVEWAY AND DO A FEW THINGS. I DON'T THINK WE CAN FIX THE WHOLE THING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO FIX FOR HER HER DRIVEWAY SO THAT SHE CAN GET IN AND OUT.
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AND THAT'S IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE WERE DOING WITH THE ORIGINAL MOUNT.WE OFFERED JUST TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. OKAY. BUT THERE ARE SOME AREAS THROUGH THERE THAT THAT I WOULD FOCUS ON OVER DRAINAGE AS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE FIXED. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM.
THE CREEK THAT EVERYBODY REFERS TO IS IN OUR FRONT YARD.
IT GOES THROUGH OUR FRONT YARD OR IN AND THROUGH THE POND THAT WE HAVE AND ALL THAT.
IT GOES RIGHT THROUGH HER. WE THAT'S ON OUR PROPERTY.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YARDS IT IS, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT.
AND THE WATER COMES THROUGH THERE. IT'S LIKE A ROARING RABBIT WHEN IT RAINS.
GOOD. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? AND THAT'S NOT TO EVEN COUNT THAT THE CONCRETE THAT Y'ALL, THE THE PARKING LOTS ARE BUILDING UP THERE AND AND ALL THAT THAT THAT WATER DON'T SOAK IN IT.
IT RUNS RIGHT OFF. AND IT'S GOING TO BE 10 TIMES AS BAD OR A 100 TIMES AS BAD.
I WOULD THINK, AND BUT. THE WATER THAT THAT WE GET NOW SOAKS AND SOAKS INTO THE GROUND, TO THE GROUND GETS SATURATED. AND, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE IT CAN'T.
BUT THAT CREEK IS A ROARING RAPID. AND I'M NOT KIDDING YOU ONE BIT.
YOU CAN HEAR IT WITH THE DOORS CLOSED. YOU CAN HEAR THAT THAT CREEK ROARING.
AND SO I JUST WANT THAT, THAT THAT BE KNOWN FOR SURE.
BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S NOT A LIE. THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE SEEN EVERY YEAR I'VE BEEN THERE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I GOT TO SAY. THANK YOU.
SO YEAH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL NOTE THAT YOU DID CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:54.
YOU CAN REOPEN IT, BUT IT WAS CLOSED AT 6:54.
I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. THANK YOU. YEAH, WE'LL KEEP THE.
ALL RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DENY ZA20243021.
ALL RIGHT. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZA20243021.
ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. PRESIDENT COUNCILMAN. I GOT A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND.
I SECOND. GOT A MOTION IN A SECOND. OPEN UP FOR A VOTE.
AND PASSES 6-0. MOVING ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA.
REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT. INFORMATION. OUR NEXT MEETING IS GOING TO BE MONDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD,
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2025. IS THERE A REQUEST FOR ANY FUTURE ITEMS TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA? NO. ALL RIGHT. I WILL OPEN UP FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN.MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL SECOND IT. MOTION AND A SECOND.
Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.