>> ALL IN FAVORS, AYE. [00:00:02] >> AYE. >> THIS WILL TAKE US INTO OUR SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING. THE TIME IS 6:42. TODAY IS GOING TO BE MONDAY, [ A. CALL TO ORDER-MAYOR] NOVEMBER 17TH, 2025. WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL. MS. MARYGRACE. >> HERE. >> MS. TODD. >> PRESENT. >> MR. JOHNSON. >> HERE. >> MR. WASHINGTON? >> HERE. >> MR. GERFERS IS IS NOT HERE. MR. DEFFIBAUGH. >> HERE. >> MR. LONG. >> HERE. >> WE HAVE A QUORUM. THIS WILL TAKE US INTO OUR INVOCATION. I HOPE YOU DO OUR INVOCATION. AMBER? MS. GRACE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT INVOCATION? EVERYBODY CAN STAND. >>FATHER, WE JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING THE GOD OF NOT ONLY JUST ALL CREATION, BUT THE GOD OF PRINCETON. WE PUT THIS MEETING INTO YOUR HANDS TODAY, AND WE ASK THAT THESE PROCEEDINGS WILL BE DONE ACCORDING TO YOUR PLAN FOR GOVERNMENTS AND IN WISDOM AND IN GOOD FAITH THAT WOULD BENEFIT ALL CITIZENS. WE THANK YOU AND WE PRAISE YOU FOR DOING SO IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN. >> AMEN. [ E. PUBLIC APPEARANCE] >> THIS WILL TAKE US TO ITEM E. PUBLIC APPEARANCES, MS COOK. >> THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS SET ASIDE FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ANY ITEM OF BUSINESS THAT IS NOT FORMALLY SCHEDULED ON THE AGENDA AS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD COMPLETE A PUBLIC MEETING, APPEARANCE PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PRESENT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY. SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE CITY COUNCIL IS UNABLE TO RESPOND TO OR DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS PORTION THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A SPEAKER'S INQUIRY OR TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO THE INQUIRY. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK SHALL ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTLY, NOT CITY STAFF OR OTHERWISE, B COURTEOUS, RESPECTFUL, CORDIAL, REFRAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL, DEMEANING, INSULTING, THREATENING, AND OR DISPARAGING REMARKS AS TO MAINTAIN DECORUM AND SUPPORT THE EFFICIENT AND ORDERLY FLOW OF THE MEETING. >> FIRST WILL BE TERESA, MCGINNIS. >> I'M TERESA MCGINNIS. I LIVE IN ARCADIA FARMS. THEY'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER $472,465 FOR GENSLER JUNIOR AND ASSOCIATES FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL AND DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE MULTI GEN CENTER. NOW, I BELIEVE, AND I MIGHT HAVE IT WRONG. I WAS ALMOST POSITIVE THAT YOU ALL AGREED ON OPTION 1, WHICH WAS $50 MILLION. I TRIED TO GO BACK AND FIND IT. I COULDN'T. BUT STILL, YOU AGREED 50 MILLION, AND YOU'RE ALREADY ASKING FOR MORE. THIS COMPANY, AS WAS MENTIONED UP THERE, IS THAT THERE WAS NO OTHER RFQS THAT WERE PRESENTED, AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME PUBLIC RFQS FROM DIFFERENT COMPANIES, ESPECIALLY IF THEY WANT ANOTHER $500,000. ON TOP OF THAT, YOU GUYS CREATED A PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD SO THAT THERE WOULD BE SOMEBODY IN THE MIDDLE. IT'S NOT EVEN CREATED. THEY'RE ASKING TO BYPASS EVERYTHING. THEY WANT ANOTHER 500,000, AND GROUND HASN'T EVEN BROKE. NOTHING'S BEEN DONE. I'M ASKING YOU NOT TO APPROVE THAT. I'M ASKING THAT YOU ALL PUT OUT A COUPLE MORE RFQS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS, AND THEN TAKE IT FROM THERE BECAUSE I NEVER HEARD ANY, AND IF YOU GUYS HEARD THEM, THEN THAT'S GREAT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER ANY OF THEM. WHEN I WAS IN THE LAST MEETING, I DON'T REMEMBER WHO SAID IT, BUT SOMEBODY SAID THAT THEY HADN'T HEARD ANY OF THE OTHER RFQS EITHER. ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT. THANK YOU. YOU ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> THANK YOU. KENNETH JOHNSON. >> I [00:05:04] SAID 302 STONE COURT TRINSON, TEXAS. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TAXES, AND I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM ANYBODY. WE CAN TALK ABOUT ADDRESSING IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE LEADING PEOPLE CONFUSED. NOT ONLY CONFUSED, BUT A LITTLE HURT ONCE AGAIN, NO ACCOUNTABILITY. YOU PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE PEOPLE. IF THIS IS A ERROR, WHILE WE'RE BEING PUNISHED, LEFT IN THE DARK, OUT ANY WAY, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, WHAT WE NEED TO DO, BECAUSE THIS DOUBLE TAXES UP FROM 2022-2025. THAT'S THAT'S A LOT. TO BE BLINDSIDED LIKE THIS WITH NO EXPLANATIONS. I FOR ONE, SPEAK WITH SOUTH PARK METAL. WE'RE VERY ACCOUNTABLE PEOPLE. BUT THE CITY OF PRINCETON IS NOT ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING. THAT'S CONFUSING BECAUSE I WENT OVER TO THE TAX OFFICE. THEY KEEP SAYING, IF NOT US, MR. JOHNSON. THAT LADY SAID SHE BEEN CUT OUT 222 TIMES IN ONE DAY. SHE SAYS, NOT US, MR. JOHNSON. IT'S THEM. SHE SAID, IT'S THEM. WHEN WE COME TO ASK WHAT'S GOING ON, IT'S, IT WAS IN THE HEADLINES. WHEN IS THERE GOING TO BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THIS ACTION THAT'S COSTING YOUR PEOPLE? THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. WE ARE VERY RESPONSIBLE; WE DID EVERYTHING WITH THE ESCROW AND EVERYTHING. BUT NOW TO BE BLINDSIDED AT THIS FOUR YEARS LATER, IT DON'T MAKE SENSE. WHAT IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY? WHAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY? WHAT'S THE CREDIBILITY? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. THAT WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW. MONEY IS NOT GOING TO COME EASILY THESE DAYS, NOT IN THIS ECONOMY. WHEN IS SOMEBODY GOING TO SAY, "HEY, IT'S ON US, IT'S OUR ACCOUNTABILITY"? BECAUSE I GUARANTEE IT'S NOT OUR ACCOUNTABILITY. I PROMISE YOU THAT, THAT WE DID THIS. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW. >> I'LL JUST SPEAK TO THAT REAL QUICK. I KNOW THERE'S A FEW PEOPLE SPEAKING FOR THE TAXES. THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING IN EXECUTIVE TODAY. WE ARE EXPLORING DIFFERENT OPTIONS RIGHT NOW TO DETERMINE THAT'S WHY I CAN'T GIVE YOU WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO UNTIL WE HAVE THIS TALK, BUT THAT IS ON THE AGENDA TODAY FOR US TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC TO COME UP WITH WHAT THOSE NEXT STEPS ARE. >> BECAUSE THEY GAVE US A TIME LIMIT, AND THAT DID NOT MAKE SENSE. I DON'T LIKE THAT. A TIME LIMIT ON SOMETHING THAT WE DID. WE HAD NOTHING TO KNOW ABOUT TO BE BLINDSIDED. WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING BY THE END OF THIS MEETING, AT LEAST SOME TYPE OF DIRECT REACTION. BUT WE'RE LOSING. WE'RE YOUR PEOPLE. REMEMBER THAT. >> ROGER SHOVE. >> HI, ROGER SHOVE 316, STONE COURT. SAME TOPIC AS THE LAST GUY, I JUST WANTED TO CHECK IN LAST WEEK. YOU SAID YOU WOULD GET BACK TO ME. I HADN'T HEARD FROM YOU. I EMAILED YOU SUNDAY, I THINK. I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU WE STILL GOT THIS ISSUE. WE'D REALLY LIKE TO GET WORKED OUT. STILL DON'T FEEL IT'S FAIR TO US. I JUST WANT TO GET SOME RESOLUTION TRYING TO BE A REALLY GOOD CITIZEN OF PRINCETON AND BACK THIS PLACE. VOTED FOR YOU. SO PLEASE HELP US. SOMEBODY'S LACK OF DOING THEIR JOB SHOULD NOT BE A PENALTY UPON THE CITIZENS. THAT ACCOUNTABILITY SHOULD COME FROM THE PERSON WHO DID NOT DO THEIR JOB. WHETHER THAT BE FIRING OR THEM FINDING A WAY TO FINANCE THIS, BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT ON A WHOLE COMMUNITY LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE MIGHT HAVE HAD THAT HAPPEN IF IT'S THAT OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO US, BUT THAT'S ALL RENTALS. THAT'S ON A COMPANY. THESE ARE ALL MOSTLY PRIVATE CITIZENS. I HAVE A GOOD JOB, BUT I DON'T HAVE $5,000 SITTING AROUND TO GO PAY BILLS THAT SOMEBODY FORGOT TO WRITE PAPERWORK OVER TO THE TAX COLLECTOR SO WE COULD GET IT TIED UP INTO OUR ESCROW AND GET PAID ON A YEARLY BASIS. ANYWAYS, PLEASE DON'T FORGET ABOUT US.I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. >> EVERYBODY WHO I HAVE YOUR EMAILS, I'LL BE SENDING YOU GUYS IN AN EMAIL AFTER TONIGHT. >> NOT A BIG DEAL. I SPOKE MY [INAUDIBLE] CHECK GOT ME ON THE FIRST ONE [BACKGROUND]. >> SEAN BLACK, TRACY WILLIAMS. [00:10:14] IF YOU COULD TURN IT BACK ON. >> HELLO THERE. GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR, DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M TRACY WILLIAMS, AND I OWN 1218 PARKER DRIVE, PRINCETON, TEXAS 75407. ANOTHER HOMEOWNER IN THE SOUTHPARK MEADOWS SUBDIVISION. I TOO, I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAIN ABOUT THIS TAXATION ISSUE FOR THE ROLLBACK TAX BILLS FROM 2022, 2023, AND 2024. UNFORTUNATELY, COLLIN COUNTY IS PLACING THE BURDEN OF RECTIFYING THE FAILURES AND MISTAKES OF THE CITY OF PRINCETON ON ME. THIS IS UNJUST, UNFAIR, LACKS BOTH TRANSPARENCY AND IT LACKS INTEGRITY. AS I'VE PREVIOUSLY INFORMED YOU, I DID NOT OWN ANY PROPERTY IN PRINCETON, TEXAS IN 2022, YET I HAVE A BILL TO PAY ROLLBACK TAXES. IT WAS STATED AS ALREADY BROUGHT UP TONIGHT THAT LAST WEEK'S MEETING THAT IT WAS NEVER THE CITY'S INTENTION TO COLLECT ON THE ROLLBACK TAX BILL, SIMPLY TO CORRECT THE ROLES FOR TAXES GOING FORWARD. MR. MAYOR, YOU DID STATE THAT YOU WOULD BE PERSONALLY REACHING OUT TO EACH OF US WHO CAME TO SPEAK ON THAT ISSUE, AND I HAVE YET TO HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE CITY REACH OUT TO ME. WITHOUT A DEFINITIVE RESOLUTION IN PLACE AT THIS POINT, I AM FORCED INTO A POSITION WHERE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO FILE A PROTEST WITH THE COLLIN COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT. I GOT A LETTER FROM THEM ABOUT THAT VERY TOPIC, AND THE 30-DAY WINDOW FOR ME TO FILE THAT PROTEST IS QUICKLY CLOSING. I ACTUALLY STRUGGLE TO ENVISION WHAT STRATEGY THE CITY IS GOING TO EMPLOY OR THE ACTIONS THE CITY IS GOING TO TAKE TO ACTUALLY PUT THE GENIE BACK IN THE BOTTLE. WHAT IS THE RESOLUTION GOING TO BE? I'LL LEAVE THAT RHETORICAL AT THIS POINT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED LATER IN YOUR EXECUTIVE SESSION. HOWEVER, THE BILL THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS FOR $2,404.21, AND THAT'S THE BILL IF IT'S PAID BY DECEMBER 1ST. IF IT'S PAID ANYTIME LATER THAN THE FIRST IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, IT GOES UP 7% TO $2,572.50. THEN EVERY MONTH AFTER THAT, IT GOES UP AN ADDITIONAL 2%. THESE ARE REAL DOLLARS. THESE REALLY AFFECT THE CITIZENS OF THIS TOWN. I'M GOING TO REQUEST THAT I HAVE SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM THE CITY OF PRINCETON STATING THAT THE CITY IS AT FAULT HERE AND WILL BE TAKING FULL ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THESE BILLS. THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE PROTEST THAT I FILE. IF I'M NOT ABLE TO GET THAT DOCUMENTATION, I WOULD AGREE TO COME PICK UP A CHECK FROM THE CITY OF PRINCETON. RIGHT NOW, THE AMOUNT AGAIN IS $2,404.21. WHERE MIGHT I GO MAYBE TO PICK IT UP TOMORROW? AGAIN, I'LL LEAVE THAT AS A RHETORICAL QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. MAXINE ELLIS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL. BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I AM GOING TO REQUEST PER PUBLIC HEARING BYLAW 6.6 REPETITION COMMENTS PROHIBITED. I HAVE SEVEN RESIDENTS HERE OF ARCADIA FARMS, NON-RENTERS. THAT HAVE AGREED FOR ME TO BE THEIR SPOKESPERSON TO DISCUSS THE TOPIC OF OUR ACADIA FARMS PARK. WITH THAT, WHEN ANY GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON THE SUBJECT MATTER, THE INDIVIDUALS ARE DESIGNATED TO DESIGNATE A SPOKESPERSON. THEY'VE DESIGNATED ME AS THEIR SPOKESPERSON. WITH THAT, I AM ASKING FOR CONSENT FROM COUNSEL AND THE MAYOR TO EXTEND MY TIME NOT TO EXCEED 15 MINUTES. >> AT THIS TIME, IT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO EXTEND IT. >> I HAVE THE BYLAW, IF YOU [OVERLAPPING]. >> I'M GRANT, DO WE HAVE TO MAKE A VOTE ON THAT, OR CAN THEY JUST GIVE A VERBAL? >> LET'S JUST TAKE A VOTE TO EXTEND UP TO 15 MINUTES. >> OKAY. >> PLEASE. >> LET'S START WITH MS. TODD. [00:15:04] CAN YOU JUST TALK, YOUR MIC, I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S NOT WORKING. >> THOSE ARE THE BYLAWS, SO YES. >>MS. GRACE? >> YES. >> MR. JOHNSON? >> YES. >> MR. WASHINGTON? >> YES. >> MR. DEFFIBAUGH? >> YES. >> MR. LONG. >> YES. >> I AGREE AS WELL, SO YOU GOT IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ARCADIA FARMS PARK AGREEMENT. THIS AGREEMENT WAS ENTERED IN BY LANAR IN THE CITY OF PRINCETON 2017, AS MENTIONED LAST WEEK. IN FEBRUARY 7TH OF 2024, A FEW MONTHS AFTER I WAS ELECTED TO THE HOA BOARD, FROM WHEN LANAR TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE HOMEOWNERS, I HAD REACHED OUT INITIALLY TO CRAIG FISHER BECAUSE I WAS ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING REGARDING SOME QUESTIONS ON ART PARK AND JJ BOOK, AND HE INTRODUCED ME TO CHASE. ON FEBRUARY 7, 2024 AT 1:28 P.M. CENTRAL. I E-MAILED CHASE, INTRODUCING MYSELF AS FROM THE BOARD PRESIDENT OF THE HOA PRESIDENT, AS WELL AS LETTING HIM KNOW I WAS ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, AND CRAIG FISHER DIRECTED HIM TO ME. WE HAD A NUMBER OF HOMEOWNERS AT THAT TIME REQUESTING SOME MORE INFORMATION REGARDING WHEN THE CITY WAS GOING TO START WORKING ON THE PLANS AND WHEN THEY MIGHT START TO BEGIN BUILDING JJ BOOK. WE HAD AN APPROXIMATE DATE OF WHEN THE PARK IS PROJECTED TO BE COMPLETED, AND IF I WAS CORRECT, THAT BOND MONEY WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR IT. HE REPLIED BACK TO ME ASKING ME ON FEBRUARY 7TH, 2024 AT 1:57 P.M. ASKING ME HOW LONG I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR THE HOA PRESIDENT. I MENTIONED THAT THE BOARD WAS JUST TURNED OVER BY LANAR IN NOVEMBER, AND I WILL BE THE PRESIDENT FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT TWO YEARS. HE SAID, I ASK BECAUSE THERE IS NEW TURNOVER IN YOUR HOA ANNUALLY AND THE SAME WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER. I GAVE HIM OUR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY AT THAT TIME. HE SAYS, AND I QUOTE, PER HIS E-MAIL RIGHT HERE, "I HAVE TO REMIND AND INFORM THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT EVERY SPRING AND FALL ABOUT THE ACCESS CITY OF PRINCETON HAS ON THE SOCCER AND BASEBALL FIELDS. WE WILL BE UTILIZING IT FOR PRACTICE STARTING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, IN LAST THROUGH MAY. I SAID, THANK YOU. I SAID, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BOARD MEETING TONIGHT. I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MENTION IT. HE ALSO SAID, "I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DISCUSS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH YOU THAT WAS SET IN PLACE BEFORE THE HOMES WERE CONSTRUCTED, JUST IN CASE HOMEOWNERS QUESTIONS." LET ME PAUSE THERE FOR A MOMENT. FEBRUARY 7TH, 2024 AT 1:57 P.M. CHASE BRYANT OFFERED TO DISCUSS THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH ME. YOU WOULD THINK, AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME, YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN. WAIT. WE DON'T HAVE A PIECE OF PAPER FOR A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. BUT WAIT, THAT WASN'T PART OF THIS. THEN HE DID ANSWER MY QUESTIONS THAT THE APPROXIMATE DATE OF WHEN THE PARK IS PROJECTED TO BE COMPLETED. ARE YOU READY FOR HIS RESPONSE FOR THE SKATE PARK AT JJ BOOK WAS PROJECTED TO BE COMPLETED? IN 2024. HAS ANYBODY DRIVEN OUT BY JJ BOOK RECENTLY TO SEE THE SKATE PARK AND THE PLAYGROUND SPLASH PARK IN 2025. YES, THREE MILLION DOLLARS IS ALLOCATED TOWARD THE COMPLETION OF THIS PART FROM THE 2023 BOND PACKAGE. THEN HE ALSO MENTIONED THAT PART OF THAT, CROSS MILL DEVELOPER DR HORTON WILL COMPLETE THE PORTION OF THE SPLASH PARK, PLAYGROUND, PARKING, AND RESTROOMS. [00:20:03] SPA SKATE PARKS WILL COMPLETE THE SKATE PARK. I WILL ABSOLUTELY PASS ALONG THE INFORMATION TO THE COACHES AND PARENTS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T CLEANING UP AFTER THEMSELVES, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY BROUGHT OUT SOME TRASH CANS FOR US. LET'S FAST-FORWARD TO MAY 28TH OF 2025. I REACHED OUT BECAUSE THE PARK, THE BASEBALL FIELD, THE SOFTBALL FIELD WAS NOT BEING MAINTAINED. THERE WERE WEEDS EVERYWHERE, AND CHASE IS LIKE, BUT ALSO, I WILL ADMIT ALSO WITH THE BIG WINDSTORM THAT BLEW THROUGH ON MAY 26, IT BLEW OFF THE ROOF TO THE DUGOUT. I DID ASK, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE. I DIDN'T ASK THE CITY TO TAKE CARE OF IT. I VERY CLEARLY STATED WHO IS RESPONSIBLE. IF ARCADIO IS RESPONSIBLE, WE TAKE THAT BURDEN ON. IF CITY'S RESPONSIBLE, GREAT. THAT'S WHEN SURPRISE, THERE WAS NO PAPER DOCUMENT. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVERYBODY STARTS SCRAMBLING TO COME UP WITH SOME DEVELOPER WITH US. WE MET AND IN THIS MEETING AT ONE POINT, CHASE GOT A BIT FRUSTRATED AND SAID, LET'S NOT DO IT AND I SAID, THAT'S FINE. ALLISON WAS IN ATTENDANCE FOR THAT. AT THE TIME, CITY MANAGER, MIKE ASHBURN, WAS IN IT. I SAID, YOU KNOW? THAT'S FINE WITH ME. BECAUSE GUYS, ARCADIA FARMS DOES NOT LOSE IN THIS DEAL. YOU KNOW WHO LOSES? THE RESIDENTS OF CITY OF PRINCETON THAT COME AND USE THOSE FIELDS. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I TOLD HIM THAT I WOULD MAKE SURE IF I KNEW THAT THE AGREEMENT WASN'T GOING TO GO THROUGH BECAUSE OF HIM. ALLISON AND CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME SAID, NO, WE'LL DO IT SO WE AGREED TO IT. HE ALSO, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR, MAYBE IT WAS IN THE BEGINNING, HE PUT A PORTA POTTY, JIFFY JOHN, RIGHT ACROSS FROM SOME OF OUR HOMEOWNERS. THEY OPENED THEIR DOOR, DOWN WIND, SO I ASKED THEM TO MOVE IT. HE SAID, ABSOLUTELY. I'LL MOVE IT FOR YOU AND HE DID. HE MOVED IT OVER BY THE SCHOOL. HE SAID, BUT IT'S ONLY TEMPORARY BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BUILD YOU A BATHROOM. I AM SO GLAD BECAUSE WHEN CHASE TOLD ME THAT MY DUGOUT ROOF WAS OUR RESPONSIBILITY, I SAID GREAT. DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY YOU CAN RECOMMEND? HE SAID, YEP, SURE I DO. I AM SO GLAD THAT I AM NOT HOLDING MY BREATH FOR HIS INFORMATION BECAUSE ONE, DO I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE DUGOUT ROOF? NO. DO I HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMUNICATION ON THE BATHROOMS? NO. BUT I HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT IS PRETTY MUCH NOT THE SAME AGREEMENT THAT WAS AGREED, WHICH HE KNEW WHAT THE AGREEMENT WAS IN 2024 BECAUSE I HAVE THE DOCUMENT. I THINK WE NEED TO RE REVIEW THIS AGREEMENT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF HOLES HERE THAT WEREN'T DISCUSSED LAST WEEK WHEN THEY CAME UP AND TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE AGREEMENT. I THANK YOU. I'M NOT GOING TO USE MY ENTIRE 15 MINUTES, BUT I DO THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS. IF ANY OF YOU WOULD LIKE THESE E-MAILS, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO FORWARD THEM BECAUSE I HAVE THEM ALL. I AM A PACK RAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THIS WILL END OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. THERE IS NO ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST, [00:25:02] AND THERE'S NO CONSENT DENIED ITEMS, AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE EXECUTIVE TO THE END OF THE MEETING. WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GO OUT OF ORDER, AND LET'S JUMP INTO OUR SPECIAL AGENDA, [ K1. 2025-11-17-R Consider approving Resolution No. 2025-11-17-R proposing amendments to the project plan and financing plan for Reinvestment Zone Number Three and calling a public hearing (Eastridge Public Improvement District); and take appropriate action. Presented by Jeff Gulbas.] STARTING WITH K1, MS. COOK. >> 2025-11-17R. CONSIDER APPROVING RESOLUTION 2025-11-17R, PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO THE PROJECT PLAN AND FINANCING PLAN FOR REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER 3, AND CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING, EASTRIDGE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION, MR. GOBS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, JEFF GALVIS WITH MCCALL PARKERS FOR THE CITY'S BOND COUNSEL. HERE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU RESOLUTION PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO THE PROJECT AND FINANCING PLAN FOR REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER 3. REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER 3 DEALS WITH THE EASTRIDGE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. AS A REMINDER, EASTRIDGE WAS CREATED IN 2021. ASSESSMENTS HAVE BEEN LEVIED ON PHASES 1-4. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LEVYING ASSESSMENTS AND BRINGING BEFORE COUNSEL A PROPOSED BOND SALE IN DECEMBER AS RELATES TO EASTRIDGE IMPROVEMENT AREA NUMBER 5. IMPROVEMENT AREA FIVE, WHICH IS THE IMPROVEMENT AREA, COMPRISES PHASES 6 AND 7 OF THE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GOING TO BE PROPOSED TO INCLUDE 411 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. I WON'T READ ALL THE FIGURES FOR YOU OFF THE SCREEN, BUT BEFORE THAT IS THE PROPOSED NUMBER OF LOTS BY LOT SIZE, AS WELL AS THE ESTIMATED FINISHED LOT VALUE, AND AVERAGE COMPLETED HOME VALUE FOR EACH OF THESE BASED ON THE LOT SIZE. THE TOTAL BUILD OUT FOR THIS NEXT IMPROVEMENT AREA NUMBER 5 FOR EASTRIDGE WILL BE ALMOST 162 MILLION IS WHAT IS ESTIMATED. YOU'LL RECALL EASTRIDGE, LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS, DO HAVE AN OVERLAY OF A TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE? NOT ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS IN PRINCETON OR THE STATE HAVE THOSE, BUT IT DOES OCCUR IN A FEW WITHIN THE CITY OF PRINCETON AND THE IDEA AS THESE PIDS WERE BEING FORMED, THAT THE INCREMENTAL VALUE ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE TIRZ WOULD BE USED TO BUY DOWN THE ASSESSMENTS, THE IDEA BEING TO KEEP THE ASSESSMENTS AS BEST AS POSSIBLE TO BE AS CLOSELY EQUAL TO SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS OF LIGHT KIND AND LIKE NATURE. ANYTIME THESE TIRZS ARE AMENDED FOR A PROPOSED BOND ISSUE, THE PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN, WHICH IS THE GUIDING PLAN OF THE ZONE IS UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT. THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU JUST STARTS THE PROCESS TO AMEND THE PROJECT IN FINANCE PLAN. ANYTIME WE DO A PID, THE SERVICE AND ASSESSMENT PLAN IS THE GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT COVERS THE PID. WITH THE TIRZ, THE PROJECT IN FINANCE PLAN IS THE GUIDING DOCUMENT THAT COVERS THE TIRZ. THEY ARE VERY COMPREHENSIVE. THEY HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT IT DOES LAY OUT HOW THAT TIRZ WORKS, INCLUDING BASE VALUES AND THE PROJECTED INCREMENT OF THAT ZONE AS IT IS DEVELOPED. THE RESOLUTION ALSO DIRECTS THE CITY TO GIVE NOTICE OF A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER THE 8TH. REALLY, THIS RESOLUTION, WE SEE COUNSEL'S PERMISSION TO PUBLISH THAT NOTICE AND LET FOLKS KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 8TH AT WHICH YOU ALL WILL BE PRESENTED WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE PROJECT AND FINANCE PLAN. ABDI WITH MNICAP, WHO IS THE CITY'S PI&TS ADMINISTRATOR, IS HERE, AND HE CAN ANSWER IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THE PARTICULARS OF THE TIRZ PLANS. >> IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> YOUR HONOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM K1 TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR DECEMBER THE 8TH. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. MOTION PASSES 6-0. TAKE US TO K2, MS. COOK. [K2. 2025-11-17-R01 Consider approving Resolution No. 2025-11-17-R01 proposing amendments to the project plan and financing plan for Reinvestment Zone Number Six and calling a public hearing (Southridge Public Improvement District); and take appropriate action. Presented by Jeff Gulbas.] >> CONSIDER APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025-11-17-R01, PROPOSING AMENDMENTS TO THE PROJECT PLAN AND FINANCING PLAN FOR REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER 6, AND CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING SOUTHRIDGE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION, MR. GULBUS. >> THANK YOU AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. EXACT SAME THING, ALTHOUGH DEALING WITH TIRZ NUMBER 6 AS IT RELATES TO SOUTHRIDGE. [00:30:03] SOUTHRIDGE IS ABOUT A YEAR YOUNGER THAN EASTRIDGE, FORMED IN APRIL 2022. WE'VE ALSO COMPLETED ASSESSMENTS AND BOND ISSUES FOR PHASES 1-3, AND DECEMBER ASSESSMENTS AND A PROPOSED BOND SALE WILL BE BROUGHT TO YOU FOR IMPROVEMENT AREA NUMBER 4. IMPROVEMENT AREA NUMBER 4, WILL CONTAIN APPROXIMATELY 176 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH THE PARTICULARS OF EACH AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN BASED ON LOT SIZE, WITH THE TOTAL BUILD OUT VALUE OF THIS IMPROVEMENT AREA BEING APPROXIMATELY 59 MILLION. AGAIN, LIKE EASTRIDGE, SOUTHRIDGE DOES HAVE THE TIRZ OVERLAY, THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF WHICH IS TO USE THE INCREMENTAL VALUE TO BUY DOWN FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, THOSE PID ASSESSMENTS THAT PARTIAL OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR AND COMMITTING 45% OF THE TIRZ INCREMENT FOR THAT WITH THE REMAINING 55% GOING TO THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND. >> AGAIN, THIS DOES CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. AUTHORIZE THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE TO PUBLISH NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 8TH, AT WHICH COUNSEL WILL BE PRESENTED WITH THE FINAL APPROVAL OF THE FINAL TRS PROJECT AND FINANCE PLANS AND AGAIN, ABDI WITH MUNICAP IS ON HAND THIS EVENING, IF YOU'LL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PARTICULARS OF THAT. >> THERE'S NO QUESTIONS. I ENTERTAIN A MOTION AT THIS TIME. >> YOUR HONOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM K2 TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR DECEMBER THE 8TH. >> I'LL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. MOTION PASSES 6-0, SO TAKE IT TO K3, MISS COOK. [ K3. 2025-11-17-R02 Consider approving Resolution No. 2025-11-17-R02, casting allotted votes for a candidate or candidates listed on the ballot for the Board of Directors of the Collin Central Appraisal District; and take appropriate action.] >> CONSIDER APPROVING RESOLUTION 2025-1117-R02, CASTING ALLOTTED VOTES FOR THE CANDIDATE OR CANDIDATES, LISTED ON THE BALLOT FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE COLLIN COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. >> COUNSEL, I CAN INTRODUCE THIS ONE. YOU GUYS, AS A TAXING UNIT IN COLLIN COUNTY, YOU GUYS ARE ALLOTED 10 VOTES TO VOTE FOR THE UPCOMING. THERE'S TWO SEATS IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION ON THE COLLIN COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT SO YOU'LL NOTICE EXHIBIT A OF THE RESOLUTION IS THE OFFICIAL BALLOT THAT LISTS THE NOMINEES, THE CANDIDATE. ONCE AGAIN, YOU GUYS HAVE 10 VOTES. YOU CAST ON ONE INDIVIDUAL OR YOU CAN SPLIT THEM UP AS YOU DESIRE, WE'LL JUST SEE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT. >> IT'S JUST A TOTAL BETWEEN ALL? >> CORRECT. TEN TOTAL. >> I'M GOING TO GIVE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M GOING TO GIVE OUR OWN BRIAN WASHINGTON A VOTE, AND ALSO BAIN BROOKS AND ALAN. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT WE CONSIDER SPLIT SOME OF THAT VOTE SO THAT STEVE WILSON GET SOME. SOME VERY SMART PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH IN THE CITY NEXT OVER TO US REACHED OUT AND STEVE HAS BEEN CAMPAIGNING FOR THIS. HE'S THE TRINITY FALLS MUD DISTRICT. HE KNOWS A LOT ABOUT THE MUD PDS ASSESSMENTS AND HOW THOSE THINGS IMPACT US AS FAR AS THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT IN TAXING GOES SO HE'S A VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE INDIVIDUAL, SO I WOULD LIKE TO THROW STEVE WILSON NAME IN THERE AS WELL. >> YOUR HONOR, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO NOT SPREAD THE VOTES OUT TOO MUCH, BUT TO I GUESS I DON'T KNOW THE TERM, BUT I'D LIKE DO FIVE VOTES FOR DWAYNE KELLY AND FIVE FOR BRIAN WASHINGTON BECAUSE WE CAN CAST A TOTAL 10 VOTES AND IF WE PUT ALL OUR EGGS IN ONE BASKET, SO TO SPEAK, WE HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING SOMEONE ON THE BOARD. >> WE HAVE A JOSHUA DAVID AS WELL THAT RESIDES IN PRINCETON AS WELL. BUT I GUESS I WILL HEAR EVERYBODY ELSE IT'S THE RECOMMENDATION. I'M NOT SURE. YEAH. >> FOR MY RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD IF I HAD THE CHOICE, I'D PUT ALL 10 ON DWAYNE KELLY. I KNOW HIM TO BE A FISCAL HAWK, FOR SAY. HE'S DOING A GREAT JOB WITH ISD AND THEIR BUDGETS AND THEIR, PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT THE TAXPAYERS ARE DEALING WITH SO I THINK HE HAS THE TAXPAYER'S BEST INTEREST, AND HE'S ALSO VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THESE TYPES OF THINGS, [00:35:04] AND HE HAS DEMONSTRATED HIS KNOWLEDGE TO ME OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOW HIM. BUT I DEFINITELY SUPPORT DWAYNE KELLY GETTING SOME OF OUR VOTES AT MINIMUM. THANK YOU. >> I SUPPORT THE IDEA OF PUTTING VOTES TOWARDS BRYAN WASHINGTON AND STEVE WILSON. >> FIVE AND FIVE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE STATING BECAUSE WE HAVE 10 THESE WITH. >> YEAH. >> MISS DAVIDSON. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT I SUPPORT BRYAN WASHINGTON AND DWAYNE KELLY. >> GRANT, WE'RE GOING TO NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE WITH THIS ONE BECAUSE I'M HERE ON THE SAME PAGE. >> YEAH. SOMEONE JUST WANTS TO TAKE A MOTION OR MAKE A MOTION AND THEN. >> I MAKE A MOTION FOR FIVE VOTES FOR BRYAN WASHINGTON, FIVE VOTES FOR STEVE. >> I'LL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. MOTION PASSES FOR TWO. >> I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE COUNSEL FOR THAT AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAD SHOWN INTEREST IN QUITE A WHILE BACK AND ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE RECENTLY FACED, I THINK THIS WILL BE GOOD TO HAVE REPRESENTATION THERE AND JUST TO GAIN SOME MORE INSIGHTS ON THAT SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WILL PROMISE TO BRING BACK TO YOU GUYS AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THAT SHOULD I GET SELECTED. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, GUY. [ K4. 2025-11-17-R03 Consider approving Resolution No. 2025-11-17-R03, adopting an Executive Session Policy for the City Council and all boards, commissions, and committees of the City; and take appropriate action. ] ALL RIGHT, THIS MOVES TO K4, MISS COOK. >> CONSIDER APPROVING RESOLUTION 2025-1117-R03, ADOPTING AN EXECUTIVE SESSION POLICY FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND ALL BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COMMITTEES OF THE CITY AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. MR. LOWRY. >> GOOD EVENING AGAIN. THIS IS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION POLICY THAT WAS ACTUALLY REQUESTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER JOHNSON. I THINK THE GOAL BEHIND THIS POLICY IS TO PROVIDE A FORMAL POLICY ON WHAT THE COUNCIL AND OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS CAN AND CANNOT DO, WHAT CAN BE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, JUST PROVIDE SOME ADDED TRANSPARENCY TO NOT ONLY THE BOARD MEMBERS OR THE MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNING BODY, BUT ALSO TO THE PUBLIC. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH TOMA, AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> YOU'RE ON THE FINAL. I CAN SPEAK ON THAT. THIS EXECUTIVE ACCESSION AMENDMENT, I JUST, AGAIN, WANT TO PREFERENCE, I THROW THIS OUT THERE OUR DISCLAIMER, IT DOES NOT BY ANY WAY, AMEND OR I MEAN, CHANGES THE TOMA SUPERSEDES ANYTHING THAT WE WILL PUT IN HERE. BUT WHAT THIS DOES IS REMOVES THE BLANKET CONFIDENTIALITY RULE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, WHICH IS THE ALL MATTERS DISCUSSED IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION ARE DEEMED CONFIDENTIAL. AFTER OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS, AND GRANT, I HATE TO DO THIS TO YOU. BUT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT I FEEL THAT WE COULD BENEFIT FROM IF WE WERE TO ADD IN ADDITION TO THIS SO ONCE WE APPROVE IT WITH SOME CONDITIONS, I THINK THAT IT WILL BE FULLY READY TO GO IN TERMS OF ITS COMPLETION. BUT I WOULD SAY THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE PROBABLY MISSING ON THIS IS THE ALTERNATIVE CUSTODIAN IN CONFLICT SITUATIONS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE FACED IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING, WHERE THE CITY SECRETARY WAS THE SUBJECT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION ABOUT HOW THAT WAS TO BE APPLIED. MAYBE WE CAN ADD SOME TYPE OF PROVISION IN HERE WHERE THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE CUSTODIAN FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION RECORDS, WHETHER THAT BE A COUNSEL'S DISCRETION BEFORE THE MEETING, CITY ATTORNEY OR SOMETHING A NEUTRAL OFFICER OF SOME SORT. ANOTHER AND I JUST HAVE TWO MORE THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY PROCEDURE. A LOG OR SOME SORT, BASICALLY, WHERE WE HAVE RECORD OF HOW THE CERTIFIED AGENDA WAS TRANSFERRED, WHO TOUCHED IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, [00:40:03] SO SOMETHING THAT WOULD PUT A PROVISION IN THERE FOR A CHAIN OF CUSTODY PROCEDURE AND THEN FINAL THE ACCESS RESTRICTION SO THAT NO MEMBER OF THE ADMINISTRATION OR EMPLOYEE WHO ARE SUBJECT TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION MAY HANDLE THE CERTIFIED AGENDA. I THINK IF WE ARE TO ADD THOSE THINGS IN THERE, IT'LL PROBABLY BE COMPLETE AND COVER SOME OF THE MOST COMMON THINGS THAT COULD OCCUR IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. >> WHEN I READ THROUGH THIS, IF YOU DONT MIND MAYOR. IT SHOWS THAT THE MAYOR IS ALLOWED TO OR THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY BE AUTHORIZED BY THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY TO ISSUE A PUBLIC STATEMENT, AND IT REFERS TO A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY GET, THAT THEY GET A LEGAL CONSULTATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT NO PRE APPROVAL IS NECESSARY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO RECOMMENDED TO IN ITEM NUMBER 1 THERE OF THE SECTION 5 MEMBERS OF THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD ADD THAT TYPE OF RECOMMENDATION BEFORE THEY MAKE THAT SUCH PUBLIC BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT JUST RELIES ON THE INDIVIDUAL'S JUDGMENT. I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO SPREAD THAT RECOMMENDATION NOT ONLY TO THE PRESIDING OFFICER, BUT ALSO ALL THE OTHER MEMBERS. >> YEAH, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION PERSONALLY. I WOULD LIKE TO ASSUME THAT THE PERSON THAT THE RESIDENTS ELECT WOULD DEMONSTRATE THAT TYPE OF CHARACTER, AND AGAIN, IT DOESN'T SUPERSEDE TOMA, SO THAT ALL OF US WE STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW IN TERMS OF TOMA. AT THIS POINT, THIS IS BASICALLY STATING IF YOUR ADJUSTMENT HAPPENS, THAT THE PRESIDING OFFICER, WHICH IN THIS CASE WILL BE THE MAYOR, WILL HAVE TO GET APPROVAL BEFORE MAKING A PUBLIC STATEMENT AND I DON'T THINK THE RESIDENTS WOULD WANT THEIR MAYOR TO STILL HAVE THOSE CONFLICTS OF WELL, I CAN'T GIVE A STATEMENT BECAUSE MY REQUEST WAS DENIED. >> I WASN'T REFERRING TO PRE APPROVAL. IT SAYS RIGHT THERE IN NUMBER 3 FOR THE PRESIDING OFFICER A PRE APPROVAL IS NOT REQUIRED PROVIDED THAT THE ABOVE DESCRIBED LEGAL CONSULTATION OCCURS BEFORE THEY MAKE THAT POST OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE THAT THAT STATEMENT TO THE PUBLIC. I WAS JUST RECOMMENDING THAT IT ALSO IS RECOMMENDED TO THAT THE MEMBERS SEEK THAT CONSULTATION FIRST TO HELP MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT VIOLATING TOMA. NOT ASKING FOR PRE APPROVALS BY ANY STRETCH OF [OVERLAPPING]. >> [OVERLAPPING] THE APPROVAL ALTOGETHER FROM THE AMENDMENT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? >> WELL, IT SAYS, FORMAL PRE APPROVAL IS NOT REQUIRED PROVIDED THAT THE ABOVE DESCRIBED LEGAL CONSULTATION OCCURS SO I'M JUST SAYING LET'S HAVE THAT LEGAL CONSULTATION ADDED TO THE MEMBERS SECTION AND NUMBER 1. >> I GOT YOU. THAT MAKES SENSE. >> I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE WHAT EACH OF US SAY. >> I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR REQUEST. MY APOLOGIES. >> COUNSEL, I WILL SAY AS A HAPPY MEDIUM, IF YOU FLIP TO PAGE 3 OF THE POLICY, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, THAT EACH MEMBER SHOULD ENDEAVOR TO SAYS OBTAIN ADVANCE APPROVAL. WE COULD CHANGE THAT TO CONSULTATION. IT'S A CATCHALL. IF A MEMBER OF THE BODY HAS ANY QUESTION AS TO WHETHER SOMETHING'S CONFIDENTIAL AND SHOULD BE RELEASED, IT'S ALMOST PUTS A BURDEN ON THE BOARD MEMBER TO MAYBE TRY TO GET PRE CONSULTATION SO THAT'S A CATCHALL THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE, BUT WE CAN REPHRASE IT A LITTLE BIT TO MEET THE INTENT OF THE COUNCIL. >> I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT AMENDMENT. >> THEN THIS ONLY PERTAINS TO EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS, CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THERE'S NO OTHER SUGGESTIONS AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. [00:45:01] >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM K4. >> ARE WE ADDING THE AMENDMENTS? WE NEED TO ADD THE AMENDMENTS. >> SORRY. I WITHDRAW THAT MOTION AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE K4 WITH THE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS. >> GRANT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE AMENDMENTS ARE? >> YES I HAVE THOSE WRITTEN DOWN. >> I'LL SECOND IT. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. MOTION PASSES 6-0. WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT OF ORDER ON THIS ONE. MISS COOK, LET'S START WITH K6. [ K6. 2025-11-17-R05 Consider approving Resolution 2025-11-17-R05, authorizing the City Manager or designee to execute an amendment between the City and Transcend, Inc. D/B/A SPA Skateparks for the design and construction of the city's J.J. "Book" Wilson Memorial Park Skatepark, reducing the overall not-to-exceed contract sum to $1,885,500.00, and take appropriate action.] >> CONSIDER APPROVING RESOLUTION 2025-1117-R05, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE AN AMENDMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND TRANSIN INC, DPA SKATE PARKS FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE CITY'S JJ BOOK WILSON, MEMORIAL PARK SKATE PARK, REDUCING THE OVERALL NOT TO EXCEED CONTRACT SUM TO 1,885 500 AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. MR. BRYAN. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNSEL, CHASE BRYANT, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. JUST REAL QUICK. DID WE PULL TO K6 FIRST? >> YEAH, TO K6. WE'LL GO TO K5 AFTER. >> THIS AGREEMENT IS ACTUALLY A REDUCTION IN THE COST FROM THAT 2.409 TO THE 1885, WHICH IS A $523,000 SAVINGS ON THE SKATE PARK. WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE FOOTPRINT WITH ALL OF THE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES AT JJ BOOK, WE WERE ABLE TO STILL MAXIMIZE THE FACILITY WITH 25,000 SQUARE FOOT SKATE PARK, WHICH IS MASSIVE. PROVIDE ALL OF THE PUMP TRACK, THE CLOSE BOWL, FLOW BOWLS, SKATE, OPEN SKATES, EVERYTHING THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED INTO A SMALLER FOOTPRINT AND BY DOING THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A COST SAVINGS OF 523,000. OTHER THAN THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> THERE'S NO OTHER CHANGES TO THIS CONTRACT BESIDES THE NOT-TO-EXCEED NUMBER, CORRECT? >> I'M SORRY. >> THERE'S NO OTHER CHANGES TO THE CONTRACT BESIDES THE NOT-TO-EXCEED NUMBER? >> YES. THE CONTRACT NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER IS THE 1885. THAT'S DESIGN BUILD. SO EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THEIR SCOPE WILL NOT EXCEED THAT NUMBER. >> YOU FORGOT THE EXTRA 500. IT'S 523, 500 SAVED. TAKE ALL THE CREDIT. >> 523, 500. YES, CORRECT. MY APOLOGIES. >> THIS IS FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, FINDING A WAY TO REDUCE THE CONTRACT AND STILL PROVIDE TO THE PEOPLE EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT FOR THIS. I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE, AND I'M SURE MANY RESIDENTS ARE APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR WORK AND THEIR WORK TO BE ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO REDUCE THE COST AND STILL PROVIDE SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO THE RESIDENTS, BECAUSE $523,500 IS A BIG NUMBER. I'M JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR YOU FINDING A WAY TO SAVE SOME MONEY. >> YEAH, I LIKE TO ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS. I SAW THIS ON THE AGENDA, AND I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. MOST I WAS LIKE, IS THIS CORRECT? ARE WE LOOKING AT A REDUCTION. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR THE WORK AND EFFORT PUT INTO THIS, AS WELL AS STAFF THAT ASSISTS WITH THIS. THIS WAS A GREAT SURPRISE TO GET ON THE AGENDA. THANKS A LOT, CHASE. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RELATING TO THIS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> YOUR HONOR, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM K6. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. YEAH. AMBER. SORRY. MOTION PASSES 6, 0. THIS WILL TAKE ITEM K5, MISS COOK. [ K5. 2025-11-17-R04 Consider approving Resolution No. 2025-11-17-R04, authorizing the City Manager or designee to execute an amendment between the City of Princeton and M. Arthur Gensler Jr. & Associates, Inc. for professional architecture and design services for the city's multi-generational facility, and take appropriate action.] >> CONSIDER APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 2025 1117 R04, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE AN AMENDMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF PRINCETON AND M ARTHUR GENSER JUNIOR AND ASSOCIATES INC. FOR PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE CITY'S MULTI-GENERATIONAL FACILITY, AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. >> GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR, COUNSEL. [00:50:02] WHAT YOU SEE IS AN AMENDMENT TO A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN FOR THE MULTI-GENERATIONAL FACILITY. BEFORE I BRING KEITH KELLY WITH GENSLER AND ASSOCIATES UP TO GIVE A PRESENTATION OF WHERE WE WERE AS WE'RE EVOLVING INTO WHAT THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE WAS ON OCTOBER 14TH WITH THE OPTION 1. BASICALLY, FROM THOSE COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS BACK ON OCTOBER 14TH, WE WERE PUSHING THAT $75 MILLION MARK ON THE MULTI-GEN. THIS RIGHT HERE IS CLOSER INTO THAT 55 RANGE. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 15, $20 MILLION IN COST SAVINGS ON THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. BUT WHAT I WILL NOTE IS BY DOING THAT IT DID HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH A REDESIGN ON SOME OF THE FEATURES, SHRINKING THE BUILDING, MOVING TO TILT WALL VERSUS A LOT OF GLAZINGS, MOVING AQUATICS TO OUTDOOR FACILITY VERSUS INDOOR. BUT BY CREATING THE VALUE ENGINEER, YOU'RE GETTING ROUGHLY THE 64,000 SQUARE FOOT REC CENTER WITH AROUND 35, 40,000 SQUARE FOOT AQUATICS. WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING A LARGER AQUATIC CENTER OUT OF THE FACILITY FOR A LOT LESS THAN COST SAVINGS. IF YOU'D LIKE, I'D BRING THEM UP SO WE CAN SEE, AND THEN I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AFTER IF YOU WOULD LIKE? I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER. >> FEEL LIKE I SHOULD JUST PUT THIS QUESTION OUT THERE BECAUSE I DID REQUEST PARKS AND REC FINANCIALS. IN AUGUST, WE'D SPENT ABOUT $1 MILLION WITH THEM IN DECEMBER, IT'S BEEN LESS THAN A YEAR. WE HAD APPROVED A CONTRACT FOR $4,598,578 FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. IT'S BEEN LESS THAN A YEAR, AND WE'RE ASKING NOW FOR MORE MONEY. DO WE HAVE AN ITEMIZED BUDGET TO THE PENNY FOR HOW WE SPENT ALMOST $5 MILLION IN UNDER A YEAR IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, AND ARE NOW NEEDING TO ADD ABOUT $500,000 MORE TO IT? I'M ASKING BECAUSE AT THE ORIGINAL PRICE, WE COULD HAVE HAD 2.43 SKATE PARKS, AND IF WE ADD ONTO IT, WHAT'S 2.69 SKATE PARKS FOR THE COST OF THAT CONTRACT? DO WE HAVE AN ITEMIZED REPORT FOR THE ALMOST $5 MILLION THAT I GUESS HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT? I'M VERY CURIOUS BECAUSE, AGAIN, IN AUGUST, IT WAS ABOUT $1 MILLION, ACCORDING TO THE BUDGETS THAT I PULLED. IT'S ONLY BEEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND NOW WE NEED MORE MONEY. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, AND THEN TO BE ASKED TO SPEND MORE WITHOUT SEEING BUDGETS AND HOW ALMOST $5 MILLION GOT SPENT? I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. >> YES, WE CAN PROVIDE A ITEMIZED BUDGET FOR THE SERVICES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED FROM GENSLER AND ASSOCIATES. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF EVOLVING OVER THE LAST YEAR. MAYOR AND MR. WASHINGTON, AS YOU KNOW, THE DIRECTION THAT THIS MULTI-GENERATIONAL FACILITY IS HEAD. AS THE LIAISONS OF THE FACILITY, YOU'VE SEEN THE INCREASE AND HOW IT HAS EVOLVED FROM A 40 TO A $70 MILLION FACILITY, ENSURING THAT WE ARE PLANNING FOR THE GROWTH OF PRINCETON. THE COUNCIL'S DECISION ON OCTOBER 14TH WAS TO SCALE THAT FACILITY BACK, ADD ADDITIONAL PARK FACILITIES, AND CREATE THE OUTDOOR AQUATICS, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THIS MOMENT. AS FAR AS ITEMIZED SPENDINGS, WE CAN PULL THOSE AND GET THAT INFORMATION OUT. >> MY POSITION IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN COUNSEL WOMAN TDS HERE, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION THAT WE'RE IN. THIS WASN'T A MISTAKE ON THE GENSLER. THIS WAS A REQUEST MADE BY COUNSEL BECAUSE WE HAD SOME CHANGES, AND WITH THAT, I KNOW THERE'S A CONTRACT IN PLACE. I THINK AT THIS POINT, WHAT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IS, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN REDUCE OR OFFSET SOME OF THESE FEES? ARE THERE ANY DESIGN CONTINGENCIES THAT WE COULD ASK FOR OR ANY TYPE OF REIMBURSABLE IN THE CONTRACT THAT WE COULD EXPLORE TO OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS THAT IS BEING ASKED HERE, BECAUSE 472,000 TO MAKE THE CHANGES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL GOES INTO THAT, LIKE, [00:55:02] ARE THERE DUPLICATE DESIGNS OR THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, OR ARE THERE ANY REAL FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES LIKE IN THE PLUMBING THAT WOULD, HELP OFFSET SOME OF THE FEES, IF THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR US. >> WITH SOME OF THESE FEES, IT IS BROKEN OUT INTO THEIR CALENDAR ON THROUGH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, SCHEMATIC DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, INTO CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. WHEN YOU GET SO FAR ALONG, THEIR INVOICING WAS BASED ON THE PROGRESSION OF THE FACILITY. WHEN WE WERE AT THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT STAGES WITH THE $75 MILLION FACILITY, THEY BUILD UP THROUGH THAT POINT BY REDESIGNING AND SCALING BACK ON THE FACILITY, LOOKING INTO MORE VALUE ENGINEERING OPTIONS, WE HAVE TO GO BACK INTO MORE SO INTO THE SCHEMATIC DESIGNS, BEFORE WE CAN PROGRESS BACK INTO DESIGN DEVELOPMENTS INTO THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. AS FAR AS THE FEES GO, THE FEES SET FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT ARE BASED UPON THE ARCHITECTS THEMSELVES. WE CAN'T SHOP OR I SAY PRICE, GOUGE, ANYBODY'S FEES, WHATEVER THOSE ARE. >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS PROJECT HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT OVER THE LAST YEAR. NOW THAT WE'VE MADE THAT DECISION TO GO WITH OPTION 1, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE FELT THE BEST DIRECTION WAS. NOW WE HAVE TO, SINCE WE DECIDED TO PIVOT, RIGHT, WE HAVE TO REDESIGN EVERYTHING. SO EVERYTHING THAT TOUCHES THIS PROJECT HAS TO BE REDESIGNED. I WILL SAY THAT I FEEL THAT GENSLER HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB WITH US AS CLIENTS. WE'VE MADE QUITE A FEW DEMANDS, AND THEY'VE ANSWERED THOSE. THEY'VE DONE QUITE A BIT OF WORKFORCE, AND THEY'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH SCALING THIS DOWN BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUESTS WAS THAT WE GET A MUCH SIMPLER DESIGN THAT WOULD STILL BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO THE RESIDENTS. WHENEVER THESE THINGS HAPPEN WHEN YOU PIVOT, THAT'S JUST, THERE'S COSTS THAT COME WITH IT. QUITE HONESTLY, IF WE STAY ON TASK, WE COULD POSSIBLY WE CAN BREAK GROUND, I WOULD SAY, BY Q2. THAT MIGHT BE SAFE TO SAY THAT WE COULD BREAK GROUND OF THIS FACILITY IN Q2, AND THE MAIN THING. I KNOW FOR ME, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY. I THINK I CAN'T. WE WANT TO GET THIS THING STARTED AND GET IT GOING. >> WE'VE SPENT ALMOST $5 MILLION ALREADY, ALL THAT'S GONE. IF IT HASN'T BEEN, THEN WHY ARE WE ASKING TO ADD IT? WHY NOT SPEND THE MONEY WE HAVE ALLOTTED AND THEN COME BACK WHEN WE NEED THE MONEY, RATHER THAN THROW MORE MONEY AT IT WHEN WE HAVEN'T EVEN SPENT ALMOST $5 MILLION FOR DESIGN? ALL I'VE SEEN IS AN AI VIDEO. I HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN ACTUAL PLANS FOR THIS YET. WHEN WE GET ACTUAL PLANS AND DRAWINGS THAT WE CAN SHOW THE PEOPLE MORE THAN JUST AN AI VIDEO, AND I'D SAY THE FINANCES TO ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S FIVE MILLION. THEN MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT ADDING MORE MONEY TOWARDS IT. BUT RIGHT NOW, ALL WE HAVE TO SAY TO THE PEOPLE IS, WE AGREED TO SPEND FIVE MILLION. WE'RE GOING TO THROW ANOTHER 500,000 AT IT, AND YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN A DRAWING OF IT, JUST AI VIDEOS. >> HOW IS THAT OKAY TO DO THAT? I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE OF US TO MAKE THAT KIND OF DECISION WHEN I GUESS WE HAVEN'T SPENT THE $5 MILLION YET. THESE ARE OUR TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS. IT'S COMING OUT OF THE BOND, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND IT, IF WE DON'T END UP NEEDING IT, THAT'S MONEY THAT CAN GO TO SOMETHING ELSE. WHY ARE WE BEING ASKED TO PUT MORE MONEY TOWARDS SOMETHING? WE HAVEN'T EVEN SPENT THE NEARLY $5 MILLION WE ALREADY PUT TOWARDS IT. >> WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS BRING KEITH KELLY UP HERE BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE SOME IMAGES TO SHOW YOU ALONG WITH THE FLOOR PLAN. WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE, THIS HAS TAKEN THE OPTION 1 THAT COUNSEL HAS VOTED ON. >> WHY WEREN'T THESE THINGS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA? [01:00:03] >> I'M SO SORRY. >> WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO PRESENT, THEY'RE NOT ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA? >> THESE AGENDAS HAVE TO BE POSTED IN ADVANCE. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON A REDESIGN SINCE OCTOBER 14TH. THIS IS CONSTANTLY EVOLVING. FROM OCTOBER 14TH TO TODAY, WHICH IS, ROUGHLY 30 DAYS, AND WHEN THESE AGENDAS ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE UPLOADED, THE TIME FRAMES, THAT JUST DIDN'T ALIGN. BUT THIS IS THE MOST CURRENT AND RECENT UPDATES BASED ON OPTION 1. WE DID HAVE RENDERINGS AND FOUR PLANS FOR THE $75 MILLION OPTION. I KNOW SEVERAL MEMBERS HAVE SEEN IT, BUT THIS IS THE MOST CURRENT AND UP-TO-DATE. I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO KEITH. >> NO, I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS NOW. SOME MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE GOTTEN TO SEE THE OTHER DRAWINGS, NOT ALL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. ONLY SELECT FEW ARE GETTING TO SEE THESE THINGS. >> THE LIAISON, ME AND BRIAN, WE SIT IN ON THESE MEETINGS. I DIDN'T SIT IN ON THE LAST ONE, BRIAN DID. WE'VE BEEN SITTING ON THESE MEETINGS FOR PAST WELL, AT LEAST ME. I THINK BRIAN WAS ON IT BEFORE ME, BUT PAST FIVE MONTHS OR SO NOW. >> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IF IT WAS, LIKE, MULTIPLE OR WAS JUST. >> BUT WE'RE NOT BEING SENT ANYTHING. WE JUST SIT IN ON A MEETING AREA OFTEN. >> THEN THIS PRESENTATION WILL BE UPLOADED AND AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS TO GO THROUGH AS WELL. >> WE CAN PROVIDE IMAGES AND EVERYTHING FROM THIS PRESENTATION. >> EXCELLENT. >> MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. HOPEFULLY, I CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE CLARITY. AS CHASE MENTIONED, WE PUT TOGETHER A QUICK SLIDE DECK SHOWING WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME AND WHAT GENSLER IS DOING TO SAVE $15 MILLION ON TOTAL PROJECT COSTS. WE WON'T GET INTO SPECIFICS ABOUT THE ACTUAL CONTRACT AND $5 MILLION, BUT THE $5 MILLION COVERS CIVIL, MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, LANDSCAPE, ACOUSTICS, AQUATICS. IT COVERS A VERY LARGE TEAM OF DESIGN PROFESSIONALS WHO HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY FOR THE LAST YEAR. BEYOND OUR CONTRACTED SCOPE WITHOUT ANY HASS, BUT TO BE JUST A PARTNER IN THE FUTURE OF PRINCETON. THE DRAWINGS THAT WE SHOW AT COUNCIL, AND IN THESE PRETTY PICTURES, THAT'S SOMETHING WE LIKE TO SHOW BECAUSE IT'S A QUICK, EASY REPRESENTATION OF THE QUALITY OF PRODUCT THAT YOU'RE GETTING. IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE STACK OF 150 PAGES 30 BY 42 THAT CALLS OUT WALL TYPES, FINISHES SPECIFICATIONS FOR SINKS, CEILINGS, LIGHTINGS. WE ARE ALL FOR IT. WE HAVE SPECIFICATION BINDERS, MULTIPLE SPECIFICATION WRITERS, A BINDER, A FOOT THICK, CLARIFYING HOW THIS GETS BUILT. I'M NOT NERVOUS. I'M JUST REALLY COLD. I TOLD MYSELF, I WAS GOING TO BRING A JACKET THIS TIME, BUT IT WAS 87 DEGREES OUTSIDE. THESE SLIDES REPRESENT A SMALL PORTION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. AS AS I MENTIONED, THIS ISN'T JUST A PROJECT. IT'S A PARTNERSHIP. I APPLAUD THE PASSION FOR QUESTIONING EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. IT'S UNFORTUNATE MOMENTS WHEN THERE'S MISINTERPRETATION OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN DONE BECAUSE I TELL YOU I POURED MY HEART INTO THIS PROJECT. TO SAVE $15 MILLION, YOU CAN SEE THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT. IT WAS A LARGER FOOTPRINT. IT HAD ENCLOSED AQUATICS. ESSENTIALLY, WE'RE NOT LOSING PROGRAM. WE'RE GAINING EFFICIENCIES, AND WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO SAVE $15 MILLION. WHAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT IS A RECTILINEAR BUILDING, KEEPING THE AQUATICS PORTION. THE INTERIOR PROGRAM MATERIALISTALLY HAS NOT CHANGED. WHAT WE'VE STARTED TO DO IS LOOK AT FINISHES, EVALUATE WHICH SYSTEMS CAN WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. WHERE CAN WE SAVE MONEY? LET ME FLIP THE NEXT PAGE. THE FIRST PART OF THAT WAS SIMPLIFYING THE FOOTPRINT. WE WENT TO A RECTILINEAR FOOTPRINT. WE WENT WITH THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO BUILD THIS THING, AND EFFECTIVELY THE FASTEST WAY, WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING IN A SQUARE SHAPE INSTEAD OF THE FORM THAT FIT IN WORKING WITH OUR CIVIL ENGINEER FOR SITE DRAINAGE. [01:05:03] THIS IS THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING. THIS ELIMINATES PERIMETER COLUMNS. IT ALLOWS FOR EFFICIENCIES THAT WE COULDN'T SEE BEFORE. BY TAKING AQUATICS OUTSIDE INSTEAD OF INDOORS, YOU'RE REDUCING MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL PLUMBING BY 20%. YOU'RE REDUCING THE CORROSIVE AGENTS THAT WE HAD TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT FOR, FOR AN INDOOR AQUATICS BUILDING. THOSE THINGS ARE KEY TO GETTING THAT 15 MILLION. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO TAKE OUT OF A PROJECT. THAT TIME AND EFFORT, WE GOT TO, THE FIVE MILLION IS THE FULL CONTRACT. TO BE FAIR, IT'S LESS THAN FIVE MILLION. TO GET THAT MONEY OR THAT CONTRACT REPRESENTS THROUGH DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. WE AS ARCHITECTS DRAW ALL THE WAY THROUGH CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. WE FINISHED DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO GO BACK ON A WE HAVE 20 WEEKS TO GET TO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE FINISHED. WE DELIVERED. NOW WE'VE PUT TOGETHER A SCHEDULE BASED ON SAVING $15 MILLION, REMOVING 20,000 OF INDOOR AREA, AND GET BACK TO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE GOT ARCHITECTS, BRAND DESIGNERS, ENGINEERS, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, LIGHTING, ENERGY MODEL, TECHNOLOGY, ACOUSTICS, AQUATICS. ALL THESE PEOPLE NEED TO WAIT FOR US TO DRAW THIS BUILDING AND THEN COORDINATE BASED ON THE NEW STRUCTURAL EFFICIENCIES, MATERIAL CHANGES, FOOTPRINT LAYOUT. IT'S GOING TO TAKE US AN ESTIMATED TEN WEEKS TO GET BACK TO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT. THE REST OF THE CONTRACT IS FOR CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. WHERE'S THE WATER PROOFING GO? THEN THE NEXT YEAR OF THAT IS ACTUALLY BUILDING THE PROJECT. US GOING OUT TO THE SITE, ADMINISTERING, MAKING SURE IT'S BEING BUILT CORRECTLY. WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR THE $5 MILLION. WE ARE JUST ASKING TO GET BACK TO DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND TAKE $15 MILLION OUT OF THE PROJECT. THESE ARE NOT TECHNICAL DRAWINGS. THEY'RE PRETTY PICTURES. AS I MENTIONED, HAPPY TO FLIP THROUGH THE ENTIRE SET OF 130 PAGES OF FULLY COORDINATED BETWEEN ALL PROFESSIONAL DESIGN TEAMS. IF I COULD HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE, I WILL JUST SPEAK THAT GOING TO A TILT WALL CONSTRUCTION IS COST EFFECTIVE, AND IF NOT DONE RIGHT, LOOKS LIKE A WAREHOUSE. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF TILT WALL CONSTRUCTION FOR A LOT OF DEVELOPERS THAT BLURS THE LINE BETWEEN ARCHITECTURE AND EFFICIENCY TO DESIGN. WE'VE TAKEN THOSE LESSONS LEARNED AND APPLIED IT TO THIS PROJECT. WE'VE GONE FROM 40% GLAZING DOWN TO 25% GLAZING, COST SAVINGS AND COST PER SQUARE FOOT, WITHOUT IMPACTING THE DESIGN ELEMENTS. WE PLAY ON MOTION MOVEMENT. YOU'LL SEE AS WE GO AROUND THE BUILDING, THE PERFORMANCE TRACK AESTHETIC IS STILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. OPTIMIZING THE RUNNING TRACK ON THE INSIDE, SO IT'S NOT A HARD AND 90 DEGREE TURN. TAKING THAT INSIDE TO OUTSIDE IS NOT A VERY EXPENSIVE MOVE, BUT IT PROVIDES AN EXPERIENCE UNLIKE NO OTHER REC CENTER. THIS WALL HERE IS ALL CONCRETE. IT'S POURED IN PLACE AND TILTED UP. WE ACHIEVE COLORS AND RHYTHM THROUGH STAIN AND MATERIALS. THEN A SHOT LOOKING BACK AT THE AQUATICS, WHICH IS NOW OUTDOORS, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SIMPLE ARCHITECTURE, AS I MENTIONED, REDUCING THE GLAZING, MAXIMIZING THE MOST COST EFFICIENT STRUCTURE, AND GETTING DOWN TO A 60 MILLION TARGETED $15 MILLION PROJECT SAVINGS. WITH THAT [OVERLAPPING]. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? >> OF COURSE. >> WHAT IS THE CAPACITY IN THIS OUTDOOR AQUATIC AREA? HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY BE HERE AT ONE TIME? >> WE'RE RUNNING THE CALCULATIONS ON THE ACTUAL OCCUPANCY. THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS TO CONSIDER. THERE'S CODE RELATED THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY OFFICIALS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN TECHNICALLY FIT IN THE WATER, WHICH ACTUALLY DEFINES HOW MANY PARKING SPACES YOU NEED FOR THE FACILITY. THERE'S A BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO THAT YOU NEED TO SERVE. I DON'T HAVE THAT THE EXACT OCCUPANCY BASED ON THE LAYOUTS. WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THROUGH FIVE OR SIX OR SEVEN DIFFERENT LAYOUTS FOR WHAT AN OUTDOOR AQUATICS WANTS TO BE IN THIS AREA. [01:10:01] THEN WORKING WITH OUTSIDE VENDORS, SUCH AS SPLASH TACULAR, WHO THEY'RE THE KEY DRIVERS ON WHAT IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE PLAY EQUIPMENT, POOL SIZE TO MAXIMIZE MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, ALL OF THAT INTEGRATED. BUT I CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THE ACTUAL NUMBER RANGE. >> I'M SORRY? >> THAT CONCLUDES MY PORTION OF THIS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> YEAH, SO I WANTED TO ASK YOU HERE. I FEEL BAD DOING THIS BECAUSE I KNOW I DO PROJECTS FOR A LIVING, AND I KNOW WHERE YOU COME FROM. WHAT WE'VE THREW ON YOU GUYS IS A LITTLE MORE THAN SCOPE CREEK IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT THAT WE DID. AS FAR AS HOW YOU GUYS START THIS OUT. I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER [INAUDIBLE] AS, WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS COME BACK WHEN WE RUN OUT OF MONEY? I KNOW THAT THESE PROJECTS, THEY JUST DON'T WORK LIKE THAT. EVERY DOLLAR IS ACCOUNTED FOR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT. BUT, IN MOST CASES, WHEN YOU DO THESE PROJECT, THERE ARE DESIGN CONTINGENCIES THAT ARE IN THERE. I KNOW THAT TRYING TO FIND A WAY OUT OF THE $472,000 IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IF WE WANT THIS TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT I LOOKED AT THE CONTRACT. THERE ARE SOME DESIGN CONTINGENCIES IN THERE IN AN EFFORT TO MAINTAIN A GOOD PARTNERSHIP MOVING FORWARD. YOU GUYS CAN FEEL FREE TO JUST TELL ME, NO. ARE THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO ABSORB SOME OF THAT COST. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE THAT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IN THE CONTRACT THAT GIVES US AN OPTION TO FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT SOMETHING BACK, ESSENTIALLY? >> OF COURSE. I OBVIOUSLY HAVE BOSSES, TOO, SO I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY PROMISES HERE TODAY. BUT I LOVE ARCHITECTURE, AND I LOVE MAKING A DIFFERENCE, AND I'M GOING TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING. >> WELL, AND NOT TO MENTION, ONCE WE GET BACK INTO DESIGN, WE MAY DISCOVER A SAVING SOMEWHERE. MAYBE THERE'S AN ELEMENT THAT WE SAY, WELL, WE REALLY DON'T NEED THAT OR THERE'S MORE EFFICIENT PRODUCT THAT MAY BE CHEAP OR WHAT HAVE YOU. >> YEAH. NO, BUT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER, I THINK WE TOOK THOSE FEES. WE'VE ASKED ALL OF OUR ENGINEERS, WHICH IS A LONG LIST. AS PRIME ON THE PROJECT, AS THE ARCHITECT, OUR JOB IS TO COORDINATE BETWEEN ALL OF THOSE. WE REDUCED THE FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT MANAGEMENT. IN THIS PROPOSAL, I THINK WE CAN BRING IT DOWN COMPLETELY. THEN LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER FEES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CONTRACT, I DO WANT TO SAY THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR FINDING SOME SAVINGS ON TOP OF THIS. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE $472,000. >> OF COURSE. BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE IN CASE YOU GUYS ARE IN THE WAR ROOM IN THERE AND YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT CAN WE DO? JUST REMEMBER THAT, HEY, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR SOME COST SAVINGS HERE AND THERE. IF THEY DO EXIST, WE WILL BE APPRECIATIVE, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I ALSO WANT TO EXTEND AN APOLOGY FOR US TURNING THIS AT THIS TIME WHEN YOU GUYS WERE THIS FAR OFF INTO THE PROJECT. I HAVE BEEN IN YOUR SHOES. I KNEW HOW THAT FEELS. IT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD. IT SUCKS. I GET IT, BUT AT THE MAGNITUDE THAT WE WERE BUILDING THIS, WE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR STAYING WITH THEM BUDGETING HERE, BUT WE DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS FOR MAKING THAT ADJUSTMENT SO QUICKLY FOR US. IT DIDN'T GO UNNOTICED, AND IT WAS APPRECIATED ACROSS THIS HERE BOARD. THANK YOU AND EVERYBODY FOR MAKING THAT ADJUSTMENT FOR US. >> THANKS. >> THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT SPA MADE IT SO WE HAVE THE MONEY TO COVER THIS DIFFERENCE TODAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. BECAUSE IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH, WE'LL ONLY END UP WITH $51,035 SAVED, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE SOME SAVINGS. THERE'S THAT SILVER LINING. >> I GUESS AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM K5. >> I SECOND. >> HOLD SECOND. SORRY. >> SECOND. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A SECOND? [01:15:05] ONE MORE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES 6-0. THIS WILL TAKE IT TO K7, MS. COOK. [ K7. ORD-2025-11-17-01 Consider approving Ordinance No. 2025-11-17-01, ending the moratorium on the acceptance, authorization, and approvals necessary for residential property development, consisting of the subdivision, platting, construction, reconstruction, or other alteration or improvement thereof, for residential property development within the City’s corporate limits and extraterritorial jurisdiction; and providing for an automatic expiration date of November 30, 2025; and take appropriate action.] >> CONSIDER APPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER 202511-1701, ENDING THE MORATORIUM ON THE ACCEPTANCE, AUTHORIZATION, AND APPROVALS NECESSARY FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT, CONSISTING OF THE SUBDIVISION, PLANNING, CONSTRUCTION, RECONSTRUCTION, AND ALTERATION OR IMPROVEMENT THEREOF FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY'S CORPORATE LIMITS AND EXTRATERRITORIAL JURISDICTION AND PROVIDING FOR AN AUTOMATIC EXPIRATION DATE OF NOVEMBER, 30, 2025, AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. MR. LOWERY. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES. OBVIOUSLY, THE MORATORIUM ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT WAS DULY ADOPTED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2024, IT WAS EXTENDED ONCE IN JANUARY OF 2025 AND ONCE AGAIN, MOST RECENTLY ON JUNE 23 OF 2025. THE ORDINANCE FROM THE JUNE 23, 2025 PROVIDES FOR AN AUTOMATIC EXPIRATION DATE OF NOVEMBER 30, 2025. WHAT THIS DOES IS, IN PER STATE LAW, IT EXPIRES AUTOMATICALLY UNLESS EXTENDED. BUT IN ORDER TO CLOSE THE LOOP ON THIS MORATORIUM, BRING THIS ORDINANCE TO YOU GUYS TO OFFICIALLY END THE MORATORIUM EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 30, 2025. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW STATE LAW THAT WAS ADOPTED, THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT PROVIDES FOR HOW LONG MORATORIUMS CAN BE MOVING FORWARD. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> YOUR HONOR, IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 20 K7 ORD-2025-11-17-01. >> I DO WANT TO SAY ONE THING. I WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO THE STAFF TO DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYONE WHO'S PUSHED TO GET SOME OF THE ORDINANCES THROUGH TO PREPARE US FOR THE CHANGE WITH THE MORATORIUM LIFTING. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF LONG HOURS AND LATE NIGHTS HELPING TO PUSH THOSE THROUGH, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF KNOWS THAT THEY'RE APPRECIATED FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE FOR THAT. >> THAT WAS YOUR SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND. MOTION PASSES 6-0. [ K8. 2025-306 Consideration and possible action regarding amending the City of Princeton Holiday Schedule to add December 26th (“Day After Christmas”) as a City-observed holiday, and providing an effective date; and take appropriate action.] THIS WOULD TAKE US TO K8. MS TODD. >> CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AMENDING THE CITY OF PRINCETON HOLIDAY SCHEDULE TO ADD DECEMBER 26, DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS AS A CITY OBSERVED HOLIDAY AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. >> HELLO, HONORABLE MAYOR AND ESTEEMED COUNCIL. I'M FALLON CARILLO, DIRECTOR OF EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE. I'M HERE BEFORE YOU REQUESTING THAT WE CONSIDER DECEMBER 26 AS A OBSERVED HOLIDAY SO EMPLOYEES CAN HAVE OFF. I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM. HOWEVER, I DO WANT TO GIVE CREDIT TO COUNCILWOMAN TODD FOR BRINGING THIS UP AS AN INCENTIVE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. IF YOU ARE OPEN TO IT, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER. >> LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR THIS YEAR, THEY WORK MONDAY, THEN THEY HAVE TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY OFF, AND THEY'RE EXPECTED TO BE HERE AT WORK ON FRIDAY. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT SHOWS A RESPECT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FAMILIES. BY GIVING THEM FRIDAY OFF, THEY CAN GO HAVE A LONG WEEKEND WITH THEIR FAMILIES. IT'S AN EXPRESSION OF APPRECIATION FOR THEM. EXPECTING THEM TO GO HAVE CHRISTMAS EVE, CHRISTMAS DAY, AND THEN TURN AROUND AND GET BACK HERE TO JUST BE HERE ON THE 26TH, I THINK THAT IS NOT LEADERSHIP. I THINK THAT'S TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THEM AND EXPECTING THEM TO BE HERE. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS ARE PROBABLY LOOKING TO TAKE THAT DAY OFF. WE HAVE TIMELINES. WE HAVE SHOT CLOCKS. IF THE CITY IS OPEN, THE CLOCK IS RUNNING. IF THE CITY IS CLOSED, THE CLOCK STOPS. I THINK THAT THIS IS A WIN-WIN FOR THE STAFF IN THE CITY. OUR CLOCKS STOP, WE'RE NOT UNDERSTAFFED HAVING TO ADDRESS THE DOCUMENTS, AND WE ARE BEING RESPECTFUL TO THEIR FAMILY TIME. THE 26 ALSO HAPPENS TO BE BOXING DAY, WHICH IS IN BRITAIN, THEIR WAY OF SHOWING APPRECIATION TO THEIR EMPLOYEES. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT INCENTIVE. IT MAKES OUR CITY SHOW THAT WE ARE PEOPLE FIRST CITY, THAT WE ARE MINDFUL OF EVERYONE. IN ADDITION TO THIS, [01:20:01] I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT TO REVIEW NEXT YEAR'S CALENDAR AND LOOK AT THOSE MOMENTS WHERE WE ARE IN THAT POSITION, WHERE MAYBE ADJUSTING IT JUST A LITTLE BIT GETS OUR STAFF TO HAVE THOSE LONG WEEKENDS, AND IT MAKES US A MORE DESIRABLE CITY TO WORK FOR. >> MY QUESTION WAS, IT WASN'T JUST FOR THIS YEAR, WE ADJUSTED IT SO THAT IT'S THE 26TH AFTER ANY HOLIDAY, IF IT FALLS ON WEDNESDAY. [BACKGROUND] I GOT IT. THAT MAKES SENSE. >> YES. THIS WILL BE MOVING FORWARD AND JUST TO EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL. IF THE 26 FELL ON A SUNDAY, THAT MEANS WE WILL BE OUT FOR MONDAY. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. IF IT FELL ON A SATURDAY, BECAUSE THE 25TH IS, WE'LL HAVE TO ROLL THAT EITHER INTO MONDAY OR TUESDAY. NOT ONLY IS THIS ALLOWING FOR THIS YEAR US TO HAVE FRIDAY OFF, MOVING INTO THE FUTURE. WE WILL HAVE TO OBSERVE THAT DAY ON ANOTHER WEEKDAY IF IT DOES FALL ON A WEEKEND. >> ARE YOU GUYS SURE THAT THE EMPLOYEES WANT US TO VOTE YES ON THIS? OR YOU NEED TO TAKE A POLL OR ANYTHING? [LAUGHTER] >> I JUST WANT TO MENTION AND PUT IT OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC. WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY. THEY'LL BE COMPENSATED AS THEY USUALLY DO FOR THE HOLIDAYS, AS WELL AS 24 HOUR ON CALL. IF THERE IS EMERGENCY WITH PUBLIC WORKS OR PARKS, IF ANYONE HAS THE ANSWER, THEY'LL BE COMPENSATED FOR HOLIDAY PAYMENT. >> YOUR HONOR, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM K8. >> I'LL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. MOTION PASSES 6-0. >> I'M SORRY. JUST TO CLARIFY EFFECTIVE DATE. >> IMMEDIATE. >> IMMEDIATELY. >> THANK YOU. [ K9. 2025-305 Consider approving a request for items to be placed on a future agenda and NOT for discussion of these requests.] >> JJUST TO CLOTHE UP THIS SPECIAL JOURNALIST GOING INTO K9. MS. COOK. >> CONSIDER APPROVING A REQUEST FOR ITEMS TO BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA AND NOT FOR DISCUSSION OF THESE REQUESTS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A PRESENTATION OF EVENTS THAT WILL BE COMING UP FOR THE CITY IN THEIR CALENDAR FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF RESIDENTS ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. I THINK THAT PRESENTATION SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT'S UPCOMING WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. >> WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS. WE USED TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL. WE USED TO HAVE THAT. BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT SHE NEEDS TO ASK A QUESTION. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE 10 MINUTE RECESS. WE'LL BE BACK IN 10 MINUTES. THE TIME IS 8:06. [BACKGROUND] THE TIME IS 9:22. THIS WILL TAKE US OUT OF RECESS. THIS WILL TAKE US TO ITEM J. MS. COOK. [J1. ORD-2025-11-17 Conduct a public hearing and consider approving Ordinance No. 2025-11-17 of the City of Princeton from Trinatio Global Investments P67 Partnership for a zone map amendment for a property being a 66.623 acre tract of land situated in the Hardin Wright Survey, Abstract No. 957, City of Princeton, Collin County, Texas; and take appropriate action.] >> CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER APPROVING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025-11-17 OF THE CITY OF PRINCETON FROM TRI NATION GLOBAL INVESTMENTS, P67 PARTNERSHIP FOR A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT FOR PROPERTY BEING 66.623 ACRE TRACT OF LAND, SITUATED IN THE HARDIN WRIGHT SURVEY, ABSTRACT NUMBER 957, CITY OF PRINCETON, SHAI ROOS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PRINCETON TOWN CENTER TODAY. THE PROJECT LOCATION ALL OF US ARE AWARE IS ON US 380. THEY ARE TODAY ASKING FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE PD ORDINANCE, PD 43. [01:25:03] SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WANT TO MODIFY IN THAT PD ARE LAND USE. THERE'S A WHOLE LIST UP THERE. I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL WHAT THEY WANT IN LAND USE. THEY WANT TO ASK FOR OUTDOOR DISPLAY AND SALES AREA TO BE PERMITTED AS ACCESSORY USES WHERE RETAIL SALES ARE PERMITTED USE. ALSO TO ALLOW FOR OUTDOOR DISPLAY AND SALES AREA ADJOINING THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING TO BE ENCLOSED BY CHAIN LINK FENCE CONSTRUCTED OF DURABLE WEATHER RESISTANT MATERIALS. TEMPORARY SEASONAL SALES IN THE PARKING LOT, THAT THING. IF YOU KNOW BIG BOX RETAILS, THERE'LL BE PLANTS OUTSIDE, BUILDING MATERIALS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THEN THEY'RE ASKING FOR AMENDMENT TO THE PARKING STANDARDS. RIGHT NOW, THE PD SAYS FIVE PARKING SPACES PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. THEY'RE ASKING FOR FOUR SPACES FOR RETAIL SUPERSTORES, INCLUDING THOSE FOR BUILDING MATERIALS. THEY'RE ASKING FOR INDIVIDUAL LOTS ON THE SHOPPING CENTER. BUT THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER, THEY WANT IT AT 4.5 SPACES PER 1,000. THEN FOR BUILDING MATERIAL, HARDWARE TYPE STORES, THEY WANT THREE SPACES PER 1,000. ALL OF THIS EXISTING FIVE SPACES PER 1,000, WE'RE GOING TO THREE, FOUR AND 4.5 SPACES PER 1,000 SQUARE FEET. FOR HEIGHT AND AREA REGULATIONS, CURRENTLY, THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH IS 100 FEET. THEY WANT TO MODIFY IT TO 60 FEET. THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS 35 FEET ALLOWED. THEY WANT TO MODIFY IT TO 45 FEET. DO YOU WANT TO POINT OUT THAT NEIGHBORING AREAS DO HAVE 45 FEET HEIGHT ALREADY, ONE OF THE BUSINESSES THERE. THEN FOR LANDSCAPING, THE LOTS RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO PROVISION FOR WHEN THERE IS UTILITIES OR EASEMENTS. THEY'RE KEEPING THE, PROVIDE MINIMUM ONE TREE PER PARKING ISLAND, BUT THEY JUST WANT TO ADD A PROVISION FOR UNLESS ENCUMBERED BY UTILITIES OR EASEMENTS. THEN EACH LOT SHALL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ONE TREE LOCATED IN THE PARKING LOT PER 20 PARKING SPOTS. RIGHT NOW, IT IS 10 PARKING SPOTS. HOWEVER, THE WAY THE WORDING IS WRITTEN IS YOU PROVIDE ONE TREE PER 10 PARKING SPACES IF THE PARKING PER LOT IS OVER 20. IN THE END, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH LESS, ESPECIALLY AS THE FRONT LANDSCAPE SETBACK IS BEING INCREASED TO 35 FEET. FROM 10 FEET, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REQUIRES THEM TO DO SO, BUT THE ORDINANCE IS 10 FEET SETBACK. WE ARE GETTING 35 FEET LANDSCAPE SETBACK, WHICH WILL ALSO HAVE ONE TREE PER CERTAIN DISTANCE. MY APOLOGIES. I FORGOT HOW MUCH. THAT ONE EVENS OUT THE TREES. HOWEVER, THEY'RE ALSO ASKING FOR MINIMUM 7% OF THE TOTAL AREA PER LOT DEVOTED TO LIFE LANDSCAPING. CURRENTLY, IT IS 10%. NEXT IS SIGNS. PERMISSIBLE BORDER FOR MONUMENT SIGNS. THEY WANT SIX INCHES INSTEAD OF ONE FOOT. MAXIMUM PERMISSIBLE AREA FOR A MONUMENT INDIVIDUAL SIGN, MIS. I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WAS. MONUMENT INDIVIDUAL SIGN SHALL BE 90 SQUARE FEET. CURRENTLY, WE ONLY ALLOW 60 SQUARE FEET ON FREEWAY, US 380. STAFF CONSIDERS THAT TO BE REASONABLE AS LONG AS IT'S A MONUMENT SIGN. ALSO HEIGHT FOR A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT, [01:30:01] THOSE ARE THE SIGNS WHICH HAVE MULTIPLE BUSINESSES ON IT. THEY'RE ALSO MONUMENT, BUT THE HEIGHT, THEY WANTED 20 FEET INSTEAD OF 10 FEET. THEN THE WHOLE AREA, THEY WANTED TO BE 240 SQUARE FEET INSTEAD OF THE 168. NOW, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS IS CURRENTLY THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT EACH LOT CAN HAVE A MONUMENT SIGN, LIKE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT MONUMENT SIGN. 14 LOTS COULD HAVE 14 SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE LIMITING IT TO TWO. THAT'S SOMETHING THE STAFF REALLY LIKES. CURRENTLY, POLL SIGNS ARE PERMITTED ALONG 380, AND THEY'RE BETTING THEM. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING POLE SIGNS. STAFF ALSO IS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT REQUIREMENT. EXTERIOR WALL CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. THEY ARE ADDING 75% MASONRY. CURRENTLY, CITIES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REQUIRE BUILDING MATERIALS. THAT'S ONE THING. THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE OUTDOOR SALES AND DISPLAY AREA. THAT WAS PERMITTED AS ACCESSORY USE FOR RETAIL SALES, WHERE RETAIL SALES ARE THE PRINCIPAL PERMITTED USE. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN AS OF RIGHT NOW AS YOU SEE. THAT'S 380 RIGHT HERE. THOSE ARE THE BIGGER SUPER STORE LOTS PARKING IN THE MIDDLE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS. >> HI, SHAI. THANK YOU FOR GIVING THAT THOROUGH PRESENTATION. I JUST HAD A QUESTION. I LOOKED THROUGH THE PD AND I COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN EVEN ENFORCE THIS OR ASK THIS. BUT WERE THERE ANY EV CHARGING REQUIREMENTS ON THE ADJUSTMENTS? >> WE DON'T HAVE IT IN THE PD, BUT WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT IF IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE OKAY TO PROVIDE IT. [BACKGROUND]. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS, I THINK THAT THE MASONRY SHOULD BE AT 80%. WE CAN PUT A NUMBER ON IT. WE CAN'T SAY 100%, BUT WE CAN PUT A NUMBER ON IT. I THINK IT SHOULD BE INCREASED TO 80% FOR THE MASONRY. >> GRANT. >> YOU CAN DO IT TO A PD AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND. >> [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE HERE FOR A PD ZONING, SO WE CAN DO THAT. IN ADDITION TO THAT FOR THE SCREENING WITH THE EQUIPMENT AND RENTALS AND STUFF THAT WOULD COME THROUGH WITH THAT, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE BOUND TO BIG BOX, NOT JUST REGULAR RETAIL. THERE'S NEED TO BE BIG BOX, SHOULD BE THE ONLY ONES ALLOWED TO HAVE OUTDOOR DISPLAYS LIKE THAT. OTHERWISE, WE'RE ALLOWING ANY OLD STORE TO BE SELLING TRAILERS OUT FRONT. FURTHERMORE, I THINK THAT THE AREA IN WHICH THE RENTALS AND EQUIPMENT AND STUFF SHOULD BE BEHIND THE STORE, NOT IN FRONT OF THE STORE. THOSE SPACES UTILIZED FOR EQUIPMENT, RENTALS, AND SUCH, THOSE PARKING SPACES NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES CALCULATED FOR USAGE FROM VISITORS. WITH THE TREES THAT CAN'T BE PLACED IN THE MEDIAN DUE TO EASEMENTS I THINK THAT WE SHOULD REQUIRE THAT THEY ARE PLANTED ELSEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY SO THAT WE'RE NOT REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TREES, WE'RE JUST CHANGING THEIR LOCATION. ADDITIONALLY, ADD IN THAT WE WILL ADHERE TO OUR TREE ORDINANCES. IF THERE ARE TREES THAT CANNOT BE CUT DOWN, THEY WILL NOT BE CUT DOWN. THEY WILL BE KEPT AND WORKED AROUND. >> LET'S SEE. I WOULD ASK THAT [01:35:01] BETWEEN 10-15% OF THE BUILDINGS BE, I GUESS IT'S THE SECOND STORY, SO WE CAN HAVE BUSINESS SUITES ON TOP. I THINK THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BRING IN MORE BUSINESS AND BE BENEFICIAL. I'M THINKING HOW THE HARBOR AT ROCKWALL IS. THEY HAVE SOME OF THE AREAS ARE TWO STORIES, SO YOU CAN GET TWO BUSINESSES ON THAT ONE SPOT. I THINK THAT'D BE BENEFICIAL FOR EVERYONE. I HAD TO DO IT. THEN IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE I GO DOWN THIS LIST OF STORES, GO AHEAD BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE. WELL, THEN I DID A POLL TO THE RESIDENTS AND A GREAT TURNOUT OF THEY WOULD LIKE AND THEY WOULD NOT LIKE. I WOULD LIKE A REQUIREMENT FOR AN SUP FOR THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF STORES. A NAIL SALON, A COFFEE CHAIN, PAWN SHOPS, CHECK CASHING, PAYDAY LOANS, A CASH FOR GOLD OR SWEEPSTAKES TYPE PLACE, VAPE SHOP, STORAGE FACILITY, DENTIST OFFICE. I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE MAJOR ONES THAT ARE ON THE LIST. DONUT SHOP AND THEN CELL PHONE REPAIR, MATTRESS STORE. I THINK THOSE ARE THE MAIN ONES. >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT LAST REQUEST WAS WITH SEC. >> THAT REQUIRES AN SEP. THOSE CAN'T JUST COME INTO THE DEVELOPMENT IMMEDIATELY. IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN, THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE US FOR AN SEP A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. THIS IS BECAUSE A LOT OF RESIDENTS HAVE STATED THAT THESE ARE THINGS EITHER THEY DO NOT WANT IN THEIR MAIN RETAIL AREA OR IT'S STUFF THAT THEY HAVE SAID WE HAVE TOO OF IN OUR CITY ALREADY AND THIS HELPS ENSURE THAT WHAT WE DO PUT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE THE THINGS THAT OUR RESIDENTS WANT AND NEED. THEY HAVE A GREAT LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY DO WANT. THESE ARE ALL INCREDIBLE THINGS THAT MOST DEFINITELY CAN EASILY GO INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT. >> I GUESS AT THIS TIME, ERIC I'M SURE YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT TO SOMEBODY'S REQUESTS. >> YES. >> YEAH. >> IF I MAY ON ON SOME OF THE USES, WANT TO BE MINDFUL AND GRANT MAY HAVE TO HELP ME A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS. I GO TO BE VERY MINDFUL ON THE USES AND NOT GET SO MUCH CAUGHT UP IN THE BUSINESSES BECAUSE IT WILL POTENTIALLY CAUSE A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES IN THE USE CHART. TYPICALLY, OFFICES GO WITH OFFICES, PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, RETAIL GOES WITH RETAIL. NOW YOU CAN GET INTO SOME OF THE USES AND MAKING THEM SUPS. I THINK STATE LAW ALREADY REQUIRES THE CHECK CASH IN PLACES ALREADY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. BUT THERE'S SOME USES THAT YOU CAN TURN INTO AN SUP SITUATION. I JUST WANT THE COUNCIL TO BE MINDFUL WHEN IT COMES TO OTHER TYPES OF USES AND SPECIFICALLY CALLING OUT RETAIL BUSINESS WITHIN A RETAIL USE CAN GET VERY COMPLICATED AND LAND IN A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE. I DON'T KNOW IF GRANT, I'M NO ATTORNEY THAT'S AS ELOQUENT AS I CAN PUT IT. >> NO, I AGREE WITH WHAT FRED SAID. >> HI. I'M ERIC SITES. I'M THE DEVELOPER. WE ALREADY LIMIT A NUMBER OF THOSE. WE DON'T DO VAPE SHOPS. WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A RECIPROCAL EASEMENT OPERATION AGREEMENT THAT BINDS THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER. EVERYBODY SIGNS ON FROM HOME DEPOT TO KROGER TO THE OTHER ANCHORS. THOSE RESTRICTIONS ARE ALSO PART OF AN EXHIBIT THAT'S ATTACHED TO ALL THE TENANTS LEASES THAT SPEAKS TO WHAT THEIR EXCLUSIVE USE PROVIDES. HOBBY LOBBIES, A CRAFT STORE AND SEASONAL MATERIALS. IT ALSO PUTS IN THERE, EACH ONE OF THEM HAVE A FAIRLY EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF WHAT YOU CAN'T HAVE. THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A FIRST RATE SHOPPING CENTER, YOU WANT TO LIMIT VAPE SHOPS, AND YOU WANT TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF CERTAIN TYPES OF USES. WE DON'T DO A LOT OF NAIL SLAWS. IF WE DO, WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE WELL FUNDED, AND THEY DO A REALLY UPSCALE STORE. YOU'D BE SURPRISED THE ONES WE USE THEY'RE VERY ELEGANT. [01:40:02] BUT WE DON'T LIKE A LOT OF THEM. WE DON'T HAVE A DOUGHNUT SHOP. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE BIASED IN ANY WAY TOWARDS A DOUGHNUT SHOP. IT'S JUST WE DON'T HAVE ONE. WE HAVE STUFF LIKE FIRST WATCH AND TORCHES, AND OTHER USES THAT ARE MORE INCUMBENT OF THIS TYPE OF CLASS A SHOPPING CENTER. I THINK WE'VE SHARED WITH YOU OUR PREVIOUS MERCHANDISING PLAN THAT SHOWS THE TENANTS WE HAVE. I BUILD QUALITY STUFF. I CARE ABOUT IT. WE LIMIT PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT. WE MADE A COMMENT ABOUT 80% INSTEAD OF 70. WE CAN DO THAT. AS LONG AS IT KEEPS WITH THE LIMIT THAT CERTAIN OF THE MATERIALS ARE UP THERE, THE MORE THE BETTER BECAUSE WE WANT YOU TO BE PROUD OF THE PRODUCT THAT I BUILT FOR YOU BECAUSE IT'S FOR EVERYBODY. IT'S NOT JUST FOR ME, IT'S FOR EVERYBODY AND THAT'S HOW WE DESIGN OUR DOCUMENTS. WE'VE TOLD SHIRLEY, WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THE REA DOCUMENT. WE'LL SHARE OUR EXCLUSIVES AND PROHIBITED. WE MET WITH SMITH TODD AND I THINK SHE CAN SAY THAT WE'RE PRETTY MUCH AN OPEN BOOK. IF WE'RE ASKED, WE'LL PROVIDE IT. ANYTHING ELSE? >> IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN QUICKLY EMAIL OVER SO WE CAN LOOK OVER IT? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT I LISTED ARE ON YOUR DOCUMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE. >> WHY DON'T YOU LET US PROVIDE A SHY WITH THE PROHIBITED AND EXCLUSIVE DOCUMENT WE HAVE? YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE JUST DON'T ALLOW, CERTAIN THINGS. [OVERLAPPING] >> WE'RE HERE IN ZONING TODAY AND SO WHAT WE APPROVED TODAY IS WHAT GETS APPROVED. APPROVING ZONING TODAY AND THEN AFTER THE FACT, GETTING TO SEE WHAT IS OR IS NOT IN THAT DOCUMENT IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE BE ZONING HERE TODAY. >> THE WHOLE LIST YOU DID, WE MIGHT NOT WANT TO PRECLUDE DOING A DENTIST OR ORTHODONTIST. THAT'S A NORMAL USE. THAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE. THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER MED SPA TYPE USE THAT PEOPLE LIKE. YOU GOT FOUR GIRLS IN MY HOUSEHOLD. THEY LIKE IT. AGAIN, FRED, WE'RE MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO DO SOME THINGS THAT I DON'T LIKE EITHER. >> ARE YOU WILLING TO BUILD UP THEN THAT 10-15%? BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, PUTTING IN THE MED SPAS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT'S MORE FEASIBLE PUT COULDN'T PARK IT. [OVERLAPPING]. >> WE HAD LOOKED AT IT. WE CAN'T PARK IT. THIS SITE TO PUT TO THE GROCERY THAT EVERYBODY WANTS IN THE HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE AND THEN BE LEFT AND HAVE THE OUT PARCELS POSITION BACK SO WE COULD HAVE THE 35 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE FRONT AND CREATE A BETTER ENVIRONMENT AS YOU'RE LOOKING IN. WE COULDN'T DO IT. I'VE DONE THAT TWICE IN MY CAREER, BUILDING 61 SHOPPING CENTERS AND IT REALLY ONLY WORKS IN HEAVILY POPULATED AREAS WHERE THE DENSITY DOESN'T REALLY ALLOW YOU TO GO HORIZONTAL, YOU HAVE TO GO VERTICAL. I DID IT IN FRISCO AT LEBANON AND PRESTON. THE SECOND FLOORS GENERALLY IN THE SOUTH DON'T LEASE UP AS WELL. THERE'S PEOPLE LIKE THEIR CARS. THEY WANT TO PULL RIGHT UP TO THE STORE, AND THEY DON'T EVEN REALLY LIKE WALKING UP A SET OF STAIRS. IT DOESN'T WORK. >> YOU GUYS ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT MIXED USE. YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT ELEVATING SO COMMERCIALS ON THE SECOND FLOOR AS WELL. >> BUT YOU CAN DRIVE ALL OVER DFW AND SEE EXAMPLES OF DEVELOPERS WHO GOT GREEDY WITH SPACE. LET'S GET THE DENSITY UP. BUT IF YOU CAN'T PARK IT WELL AND YOU HAVE TO PUT SOME OF THAT PARKING IN THE BACK, WHO WANTS TO BE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, WALK DOWN THE STAIRS AND PARK IN THE BACK? I LEARNED IT. I DIDN'T MAKE A MUCH MONEY ON A DEAL BECAUSE I DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE THINGS SO I DON'T LIKE DOING THAT. I LIKE THE PARKING OF THE FRONT. I LIKE THE WALL PACKS IN THE BACK TO PROVIDE LOTS OF LIGHT AND THEN THAT LIGHT STAYS ON BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE SAY, THE RETAILERS PUT THEIR EMPLOYEES IN THE BACK BECAUSE WE WANT OUR CUSTOMERS TO BE UP FRONT. >> I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. I KNOW YOU SEE SOME OF THOSE OFF OF 35 OF WALNUT HILL. THEY JUST DON'T AGE IN MY OPINION. THEN RIGHT THERE ON 75 IN PLANO OR THE ORIGINAL HOUSE PANCAKES, IT JUST DOESN'T LOOK AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, ESPECIALLY TO BE OFF OUR PRIMARY THOROUGHFARE. I PERSONALLY [OVERLAPPING] >> IN THE SECOND GENERATION, TENANTS ARE NEVER AS GOOD AS THE FIRST. IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT GOOD TENANTS. I DON'T SAY THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT AS GOOD AS THE FIRST ONES YOU BRING IN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T WANT. WE WANT AN ENDURING PRODUCT THAT LASTS A 30, 40-YEAR LIFE CYCLE THAT EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH THAT WE'VE [01:45:01] GOT REGULATIONS AND RULES IN PLACE THAT WE'VE DONE, AND WE'RE FOLLOWING EVERYTHING YOU GUYS WANT US TO DO. >> I CAN'T SAY I DO FREQUENT ONE OF YOUR DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THE TJ MAX IS OUT THERE NOW. YOU GET THE TJ MAX RIGHT THERE IN FEBRUARY. >> NO, MINE IS IT HARDENING 38 IS THE CENA MARK IS IT ALL FOUR CORNERS. [OVERLAPPING] WE DID THE MARSHALLS, AND THEN WE HAD PETCO BESIDE IT. WE HAD COSTCO. THAT WAS MY PROJECT, I DEVELOPED THAT. >> CAN YOU GIVE US A COMPARISON AS FAR AS THE AMENDMENT MADE FOR THE PARKING, WHICH ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS? >> THAT PARKING ACTUALLY OVERALL WAS 4%. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE NATIONAL RETAILERS, WHEN THEY GIVE YOU THEIR PROTOTYPICAL SET OF DRAWINGS AND SPEC BOOKS, THEY WANT FOUR PER 1,000. THERE'S ONLY THREE DAYS DURING THE YEAR WHERE THEY ACTUALLY USE EVEN THAT FOUR. PARKING HAS BECOME A REAL BIG ISSUE BECAUSE PARKING IS A CLIMATE ISSUE. WE GET PICKED ON BECAUSE YOU BUILD 10, 20% MORE PARKING THAT YOU NEED. THAT PARKING LOT PROVIDES FOR RUNOFF. REMEMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. IT'S NOT ONLY THE AMOUNT OF THE RUNOFF, IT'S HOW FAST IT COMES OFF. YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH HOW MUCH PARKING YOU PUT. WE'RE PUTTING CONCRETE BUILDINGS UP. THAT WATER HITS THAT ROOF, WE DRAIN IT CORRECTLY BUT THAT VELOCITY OF THAT WATER IS WHAT'S GOT TO BE HANDLED COMING OFF THE SITE. WE THINK WE DO A GOOD JOB AT THAT. BUT OVER THE COUNTRY, A HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE WILL DEFINITELY BE SOMEWHERE AROUND THREE PER 1,000. IF YOU GO LOSS, I'LL BET YOU A STAKE DINNER ANYWHERE. YOU'LL NEVER FIND THAT BABY FULL. MAYBE ON A FEW DAYS IN SPRING WHEN EVERYBODY'S BUYING PLANTS, BUT EVEN THEN, THEY'D MAKE THE SPACES BIGGER TO COVER TRUCKS WHO ARE PULLING TRAILERS. IF YOU GO TO THE LUMBER AREAS, YOU SEE HOW THE PARKING IS DIFFERENT AROUND THE LUMBER AREAS BECAUSE YOU GOT TO GET BIGGER VEHICLES IN THERE TO LOAD UNLOAD. MOST RETAILERS, EXCEPT FOR GROCERY STORES, AND EVEN MOST GROCERY STORES TODAY, YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE A PARKING. IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE. THANKS. >> THANKS. CAN I ASK A QUESTION FOR SHARE? SHIRLEY, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT YOU OR STAFF RATHER RECEIVE THE REQUIRED JUSTIFICATIONS FOR THE AMENDMENTS. >> WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING THAT? >> I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT YOU GUYS RECEIVED THE REQUIRED JUSTIFICATIONS FOR THE AMENDMENTS BEING PROPOSED TODAY? >> YES. WE DO. WE ALSO HAVE THEIR REA, THE RECIPROCAL EASEMENT AGREEMENT. I'M JUST EMAILING IT TO YOU. IT HAS EXTENSIVE LIST OF USES THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED AND ALLOWED. I JUST HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO REVIEW ALL OF IT YET. BUT I'M TRYING TO FORWARD IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW. >> THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> I WANT TO CLARIFY FOR THE MASONRY. I THINK LIMESTONE IS PROBABLY, LIKE, CAN WE ASK FOR IT TO BE LIMESTONE? IT LOOKS NICE AT AGE AS WELL BECAUSE FROM WHAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN THE FOLDER THAT I LOOKED AT, THE DESIGN IS GOING TO AGE FAST. IT'S A SHOPPING CENTER STRIP MALL. I THINK LIMESTONE WILL MAKE IT A LITTLE CLASSIER, LOOK NICER RATHER THAN HOW THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS RIGHT NOW IN WHAT WAS PROVIDED. >> HI, SHIRLEY. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT TYPE OF MATERIALS IS ON THE BUILDING NOW THAT'S BEING PROPOSED? >> I DON'T. DO YOU, ERIC? >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> WHY DON'T YOU COME UP HERE THE PODIUM, PLEASE? >> WE HAVE BRICK AND STONE ON THE BUILDING, AND WE HAVE A WAINSCOTING AT THE BOTTOM. [01:50:01] WE HAVE THE PROPER LEDGES THAT HOLD THE STONE IN PLACE. WE DON'T DO STICKY STONE. WE DO NATURAL STONE ON OUR PROPERTIES. WE HAVE AN ELEVATION WE CREATED OVER A YEAR AGO. WE HAVE HOME DEPOT'S, WE HAVE KROGER'S, WE HAVE ALL THE ANCHORS, THEY HAVE A PROTOTYPE. THEY HAVE A LOOK. THEN WE TRY TO BLEND IT ALL IN WITH MATERIALS AND COLORS, A BRICK, A COLOR STONE, A CORNICE AT THE TOP. THEY ALL HAVE WINDOWS AND STORE OPENINGS, AND WE TRY TO BLEND IT BY USING THE SAME COLOR ANTIDISE GLASS, THE ALUMINUM, STORE FRONT COVERINGS, SO THE AWNINGS. WE TAKE GREAT CARE TO BLEND IT ALL IN BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT AN UGLY PRODUCT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S NOT WHAT I WANT. WE CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION. WE'VE ALREADY DONE IT, BUT WE CAN SHARE IT AGAIN. >> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE TIME IS 8:49. WE HAVE KEVIN HIS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN ABBREVIATED TIMELINE OF HOW I'VE EXPERIENCED THE TOWN CENTER DEVELOPMENT FROM A LITTLE BIT OVER A YEAR AGO TO TODAY RATHER THAN GO OVER A LITTLE SPECIFICS, WHICH HAS BEEN THROWN AT YOU GUYS IN THE CITY IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER OVER THE LAST YEAR PLUS. IN EARLY 2024, THE DEVELOPER OFFERED THE RUTLEDGE'S, WHICH YOU GUYS HAVE SPOKEN WITH YOU GUYS BEFORE, TO FIX THEIR DRIVEWAY IN EXCHANGE FOR A DRAINAGE EASEMENT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY INTEREST IN DOING THAT. IN AUGUST 2024, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL CAME IN FRONT OF PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. I VOTED IN FAVOR BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS ENGINEER MISREPRESENTED THEIR DRAINAGE PLAN, SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DRAIN IT TO THE SOUTH WHEN THAT WASN'T THE CASE. THEY ALSO SAID THEY WERE SECURING A DRAINAGE EASEMENT WITH THE RUTLEDGE'S. THAT NEVER HAPPENED. AUGUST 2024, COUNCIL APPROVED A PLAT WHICH WAS A WEEK OR TWO AFTER PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VOTED ON IT. PLAN WAS CHANGED FROM WHEN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION VOTED ON IT, WHICH WAS JUST A WEEK OR TWO, PRIOR. THERE WAS AT THAT POINT A RETENTION POND WITH WALKING PATHS, WHICH WAS FUNCTIONAL AND RECREATIONAL SO THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY ENJOY THE PERMANENT POND THERE, WHICH ENDED UP DISAPPEARING LATER ON, ALONG WITH ALL DRAINAGE RETENTION AND DETENTION WHATSOEVER. FEBRUARY 2025, THE ZONING AMENDMENT MEETING. WE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT PARKING RESTRICTIONS, DRAINAGE. WE DIDN'T GET ANY ANSWERS. THESE ARE NORMAL QUESTIONS THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SHOULD ASK. THESE THINGS YOU'RE ACTUALLY DECIDING ON HERE TONIGHT. YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT. YOU'RE GOING TO DECIDE ON TONIGHT. THEY SAID THEY WOULD CONTINUE WITH THE DRAINAGE PLAN THAT THEY HAD AT THAT POINT WITHOUT EASEMENT, WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY DOOM THE RUTLEDGE'S PROPERTY. THEY COMPLAINED TO THE CITY MANAGER AFTER THAT MEETING AND HE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE COUNCIL. OF COURSE, YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME SOME BACK AND FORTH ABOUT THAT. FROM FEBRUARY ON, I BECAME A TARGET. COMMUNICATION FROM STAFF BECAME PROBLEMATIC, DIFFICULTY GETTING INFORMATION TO SUPPORT PLANNING AND ZONING DECISIONS, ON AGENDA ITEMS. THEN IN APRIL, DURING MEETING, DISCOVER THAT I WAS BEING MISLED ABOUT AVAILABLE DRAINAGE INFORMATION NECESSARY FOR PLANNING AND ZONING. I REACTED TO THAT AND WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR EMPLOYEE COMPLAINTS. UNBEKNOWNST TO ME UNTIL RECENTLY, THOSE COMPLAINTS WERE WRITTEN DUE TO COERCION BY OUR CITY MANAGER. I ONLY RECEIVED THEM IN SEPTEMBER. WHEN I READ THEM, THEY'RE NOT WHAT I EXPECTED, THEY'RE LIES. IN JUNE, COMPLAINTS WERE. >> I'LL GIVE YOU 30 MORE SECONDS TO FINISH UP. >> COMPLAINTS WERE SUBMITTED BY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. THOSE WERE ALSO THE PRODUCT OF COERCION AS WELL TALKED TO ME DIRECTLY, AND COUNCILMAN TODD. JULY, STAFF TRIED AMENDING THE AGENDA TO BRING UP COMPLAINTS DURING PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. COMPLAINTS WERE A PRODUCT OF AGAIN, COERCION TO WRITTEN COUNCIL. IN AUGUST, THEY STAFF TRIED TO AMEND OUR AGENDA SO THAT IT WOULD COME UP DURING A MEETING, WITHOUT ANY CONSENT. [01:55:06] AGAIN, THIS WAS A COMPLAINT THAT WAS THE PRODUCT OF COERCION AND WAS NOT WRITTEN TO THEM. THEN FINALLY, IN AUGUST, THE SUP VOTE CAME UP FOR TOWN CENTER AND I STOOD HERE AND REPEATED WHAT I HAD BEEN SAYING FOR A YEAR AND BEEN IGNORED ABOUT, WHICH I HAD EVERY RIGHT TO DO, HOWEVER, IRREGULAR THAT MAY HAVE BEEN. SAW ERIC SIKES ON THE WAY TO MY CAR, JUST OUTSIDE OF THE DOORS HERE, I HAD A SHORT, PEACEFUL CONVERSATION WITH HIM, SHOOK HIS HAND. CAN I GET 30 MORE SECONDS. I APOLOGIZE. SHOOK HIS HAND. THE NEXT DAY, HE TOLD THE CITY MANAGER THAT I STALKED HIM OUT TO HIS CAR OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, SAID HE WOULD SUE BOTH ME AND COUNCILMAN TODD IF WE DIDN'T RESIGN OR GET REMOVED. OF COURSE, THAT WAS A LIE AND I'VE GOT THE CAMERA FOOTAGE TO PROVE IT. I KNOW THAT YOU THAT GOT CIRCLED AROUND HERE. FALSE CHARGES WERE FILED AGAINST ME, AS YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, AS I'VE WRITTEN TO COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL I WANT TO SAY IS YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH AN HONEST PERSON. KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE THIS ZONING IS VERY VAGUE. WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH AN AGREEMENT, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHO YOU'RE DEALING WITH. WHAT'S CONSISTENT COMING FROM THIS DEVELOPER IS THAT HE'S INCONSISTENT AND THAT YOU CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT HE'S TELLING YOU. AS YOU GUYS ARE DEALING WITH THIS, WHAT I RECOMMEND IS NAIL IT DOWN. THERE IS SO MUCH VAGUE STUFF IN THIS THAT IF YOU DO NOT NAIL IT DOWN, NONE OF US ARE GOING TO GET WHAT WE WERE PROMISED. >> THANK YOU. MAXINE ELLIS. >> I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST MANY THAT WERE VERY EXCITED WHEN THE WHOLE TOWN CENTER GOT ANNOUNCED. THE GROUND WAS BREAKING LAST YEAR, BUT A WHOLE SEPARATE STORY. I ENVISIONED IT BEING MORE. I DIDN'T HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN TO STONE BRIER. I ENVISIONED IT BEING MAYBE A HALLMARK STORE IN THERE. I ENVISIONED IT BEING MAYBE I COULD GO TO A TJ MAX OR SOME, EVEN ONE OF THE SMALLER BOX LUNCH STORES. NAIL SALON? I DON'T CARE HOW HIGH END THAT NAIL SALON WOULD BE. WE DON'T NEED A NAIL SALON. DOES ANYBODY REALLY KNOW HOW MANY NAIL SALONS WE HAVE IN THIS CITY? WE HAVE SEVEN, EIGHT, AND WE HAVE FOUR RIGHT OFF OF BOAT CHAMP, BEACHAM, AND 380. LESS THAN A MILE APART FROM EACH OTHER. TWO RIGHT ACROSS STREET FROM EACH OTHER. WHY DO WE NEED MORE NAIL SALONS? WE DON'T NEED MORE DENTISTS BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE THOSE RIGHT ACROSS FROM EACH OTHER TOO. WE JUST NEED ITEMS THAT AREN'T GOING TO DRIVE THE RESIDENTS, HAVING TO DRIVE TO STONE BRIER, HAVING TO DRIVE TO MCKINNEY, HAVING TO DRIVE WAY OUT TO PROSPER. WE JUST HOME GOODS, THINGS LIKE THAT, IS WHAT WE NEED, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ASKED FOR. I HOPE THAT SOMEWHERE SOMEHOW WE'LL GET THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR AND MORE THINGS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE FIVE MILLION OF. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THAT WILL CONCLUDE OUR PUBLIC HEARING. THE TIME IS 8:57. AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> BEFORE THAT, CAN I JUST ADD ONE MORE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN HERE IN THIS? >> YOU CAN MOTION FOR IT. >> THEN I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THE ADDITION OF EV CHARGERS, 80% MASONRY LIMESTONE, SCREENING FOR EQUIPMENT RENTAL MATERIALS, THAT EQUIPMENT RENTAL MATERIALS BE IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, NOT IN THE FRONT. THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE ROA, OUTDOOR SALES TO BE FOR BOX STORES ONLY, [02:00:05] THE ADHERENCE TO THE TREE ORDINANCE, AND FOR THE REQUIREMENT OF THE RETENTION POND AS WAS APPROVED IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, NOT A DETENTION POND. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. >> CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION THAT WAS I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT ASKED THAT THEY ILLUSTRATED THEY'RE GOING TO DO BRICK AND STONE? ARE WE LOOKING JUST TO HAVE 80% OF JUST LIMESTONE AND NO BRICK OR I GUESS, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT EXACTLY THAT MOTION IS GOING TO INCLUDE BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO REVIEWING THE FACADES AND JUST WANT TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR. >> IF THEY CAN COME BACK WITH SOMETHING THAT SHOWS THAT IT'LL LOOK NICE, AND IT'S NOT REQUIRING THE 80% IN LIMESTONE, WE CAN ACCEPT THAT AND CHANGE IT. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT HAVE SOMETHING THAT SHOWS IT. LIMESTONE IS SOMETHING THAT LOOKS NICE, AND THAT GUARANTEES IT WILL BE OF QUALITY. AGAIN, THEY ARE WELCOME TO COME BACK AND ASK US TO AMEND IT AND SHOW US WHAT THEY WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE AND SHOW US THAT IT WILL LOOK GOOD. AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T HAVE SUCH. >> THIS IS IF COUNCIL AGREES WITH MISS TODD. IT'S NOT END ALL BE ALL. IF YOU GUYS CAN VOTE HOWEVER YOU GUYS VOTE, BUT IF YOU GUYS AGREE WITH HER, THEN YOU CAN GO ABOUT IT HOWEVER YOU WANT. IF YOU DON'T AGREE THEN. >> [OVERLAPPING] I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR. >> YOU'RE VOTING TO APPROVE IT WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT MISS HODGE STATED. IF YOU AGREE WITH THE CONDITIONS, THEN VOTE FOR IT. IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THE CONDITIONS, YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST IT. >> MR. SITES, CAN YOU COME UP AND SEE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD? I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER IF THIS IS POSSIBLE. >> SORRY. WE CAN'T DO THOSE THINGS. THE THINGS YOU'RE ASKING FOR WOULD SEVERELY LIMIT HOME DEPOT ON THE PARKING THE MATERIALS BACK BEHIND THE PARKING SPACES. LIMESTONES, A POROUS PRODUCT, AND IT DOES NOT DO WELL ON A BUILDING OF THAT SIZE. WE'RE GOING TO DO BRICK AND STONE, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO A NATURAL STONE WITH A BRICK THAT'S A NATURAL PRODUCT. A LIMESTONE IS POROUS, AND IT WILL CRUMBLE. YOUR CODE ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR THE RIGHT MATERIALS TO PUT ON A BUILDING. LIMESTONE IS NOT ONE OF THEM. IT CAN BE AN ACCENT, BUT A SMALL ONE, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT CHIPS AND IT'S POROUS. YOU'LL LIKE OUR DESIGN. WE'VE ALREADY SENT IT TO YOU A COUPLE OF TIMES. WE'LL SEND IT AGAIN. BUT THE THINGS YOU'RE ASKING FOR IN THERE ARE NOT REASONABLE IN OTHER PLACES WHERE WE BUILT. >> WOULD YOU ACCEPT 80% MASONRY IN GENERAL WITHOUT THE RESTRICTION TO LIMESTONE? >> WITH NO LIMESTONE, WE CAN. >> [OVERLAPPING] WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE A NEW MOTION. THIS MOTION IS ON THE TABLE. THAT MOTION FAIL. AT THIS TIME, I ENTERTAINED A NEW MOTION. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE NEW MOTION FOR THE 80% MASONRY, THE EV CHARGERS, THE SCREENING FOR EQUIPMENT, RENTALS, AND MATERIALS. ROA FOR EQUIPMENT RENTAL MATERIALS CAN BE, I'LL MAKE IT THE SIDE OR THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. IT CANNOT BE IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. OUTDOOR SALES TO THE BOX STORES ONLY, ADHERE TO THE TREE ORDINANCE. AGAIN, THE RETENTION POND, NOT A DETENTION POND. >> I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT SOME OF IT MEANS, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS, WE SIT DOWN WITH YOU BEFORE AT KIMREY'S OFFICE AND TALK WITH YOU ABOUT DRAINAGE AND UTILITIES. WE CAN ALWAYS SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THE MATERIALS AND ELEVATIONS AND THINGS THAT WE WOULD DO. BUT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'RE ASKING FOR, I KNOW HOME DEPOT'S GUY SITTING OVER THERE AND HE'S NOT GOING TO GO FOR IT. IT WILL BLOW THINGS UP, QUITE HONESTLY. >> PRELIMINARY, THAT'S BEEN APPROVED IS FOR A RETENTION POND, NOT A DETENTION POND. THAT IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY APPROVED. [02:05:01] I'M JUST BINDING IT TO THE PD. BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEN IN THE MAIN PARKING WHERE EVERYONE WILL BE, THAT IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO FENCE OFF AND SCREEN THE RENTAL EQUIPMENT FOR HOME DEPOT, WHICH IS TRADITIONALLY ON THE SIDE OR IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AWAY FROM VIEW, BECAUSE PUTTING IT IN THE FRONT, THAT'S TRASHY. >> [OVERLAPPING] WE DON'T ALLOW ANY OF THAT IN OUR BOX, AND I DON'T BELIEVE ROB DOES ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT IF YOU WANT TO GET THE HOME DEPOT FELL UP HERE, THEIR ENGINEERS HERE, AND HE COULD TELL YOU VERY CLEARLY WHAT THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE AND WHAT THEY COULD ACCEPT. >> YOUR DRAWING AND DESIGN DOES NOT HAVE A SPOT SPECIFICALLY FOR WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT. AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY LOCATION FOR THEM TO PUT IT IS LITERALLY IN THE FRONT OF THE STORE WHERE EVERYONE IS PARKING. THAT IS HOW YOUR DESIGN IS CURRENTLY SET. >> AMBER, CAN YOU GET ON THE SCREEN THE SITE PLAN, WHERE IT SHOWS THAT? IN TERRANCE, THAT WILL BE YOUR SECOND ON THAT MOTION. >> YOUR HONOR, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING FIRST. I'VE BEEN TO MANY HOME DEPOTS. THEY'RE ALL BUILT GREAT. I PROBABLY WENT TO ONE OF THE FIRST ONES THEY EVER HAD IN PLANO, THAT'S REALLY SMALL, AND THEY'VE GREATLY IMPROVED SINCE THEN. I SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AT THEM. AS FAR AS RENTAL GOES, THEY HAVE THE RENTAL DISPLAYS ON A LOT OF THE HEAVIER EQUIPMENT. THE SMALLER EQUIPMENT IS ON THE INSIDE, BUT THE HEAVIER EQUIPMENT IS ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT'S WITHIN PUBLIC VIEW. IT'S THERE FOR A REASON NOT ONLY FOR SAFETY, BUT ALSO FOR PROTECTION OF THE EQUIPMENT. YOU PUT IT TO THE BACK WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE DARK, NOT SEEN. THAT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR IT TO BE STOLEN. I'M SPEAKING ON EXPERIENCE FROM THAT AS A POLICE OFFICER. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE IN AN AREA WHERE IT CAN BE ACTUALLY VIEWED AND SECURED A LOT BETTER. OVER IN MCKINNEY, THEY HAVE THEIRS AT THE SIDE. ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. IT'S OUT OF THE WAY. NO ONE PARKS OVER THERE ANYWAY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHERE THE MAIN STORE ENTRANCE IS, AND IT'S WELL KEPT AND WELL MAINTAINED. THE GARDEN IS AT THE OTHER END. I THINK THEY HAVE A REALLY GOOD PLAN IN THE BUILDING. OVER THERE, I'VE GOT TO SAY IT'S PROBABLY AT LEAST 80 OR 4% MASONRY AT THAT BUILDING. I DON'T KNOW WHO THE DEVELOPER WAS ON THAT, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN YOU. I DON'T KNOW. BUT [OVERLAPPING] MOST CORPORATIONS LIKE HOME DEPOT AND PLACES HAVE A FOOTPRINT AND THE THING THEY DO NATIONWIDE. THEY DON'T SKIP ANYTHING. IT'S A NATIONWIDE THING BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO MAKE THEM CONSISTENT. WHENEVER A SHOPPER GOES IN WHERE THEY GO, EVERYTHING'S IN THE SAME PLACE. BECAUSE I KNOW LOTS OF BUILDERS THAT HAVE TO TRAVEL OUT OF STATE. WHEN THEY GO OUT OF STATE, THEY GO TO THE HOME DEPOT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE LOOKING AROUND AND TRYING TO FIND THEIR WAY AROUND. ANYWAY, BUT THAT'S MY TWO CENTS. >> WE HAVE THE YOUNG MAN, WHO'S THE DESIGN ENGINEER FOR HOME DEPOT [OVERLAPPING] THE WAY WE COULD? >> BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS. IT'S LOT D. I SEE YOUR GARDEN CENTER OFF TO THE SIDE. I DO NOT SEE THE DESIGNATED PARKING AREA FOR THOSE ITEMS, WHICH MEANS IT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THE PARKING SPACES THAT PEOPLE USE, WHICH IT CANNOT. THESE PARKING SPACES, AS SEEN ON THIS SITE PLAN, CANNOT BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE. WHERE ON THIS SITE PLAN WILL THAT PARKING AREA AND STORAGE BE FOR THOSE THINGS? >> SURE. MY NAME IS JORDAN CORBETT. I REPRESENT HOME DEPOT FROM ATLANTA, GEORGIA, WHERE THEY'RE HEADQUARTERED. FLEW IN HERE TONIGHT TO BE WITH YOU TONIGHT AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTIONS. AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN GOES, THE SITE PLAN ACTUALLY DOES INCORPORATE ALL THOSE ACCESSORY USES IN THE FRONT FIELD. THE ASK FOR THE THREE PER 1,000 PARKING SPACES ACTUALLY IS THE PARKING LOT WITHOUT THE ACCESSORY USES, AND SO IT'S ABOUT 400 PLUS OR MINUS STALLS BEFORE THE ACCESSOR USES, AND THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL 45 ACCESSORY USES IN THE PARKING FIELD. THERE'S A TOTAL PARKING OF 450 OR SO PARKING SPACES. AS FAR AS IF YOU WALK AROUND THE SITE, THE TOOL RENTAL THERE'S ABOUT 10 OF THEM, THAT'S THE PROTOTYPE. THOSE ACTUALLY SHOULD BE RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE TOOL RENTAL CENTER ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE BUILDING. [02:10:03] THEN, AS YOU WALK FURTHER DOWN THE SITE, YOU'LL HAVE THE LOAD AND GO, THE HOME DEPOT BOX TRUCKS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THOSE ARE ACCESSORY USES, SO THEY'RE NOT COUNTED TOWARDS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. THEY HAVE SHED DISPLAY, AND SO THE SHEDS ARE GENERALLY BIGGER, SO THEY TAKE UP TWO SPACES EACH. THERE'S USUALLY THREE OR FOUR SHEDS. I THINK WE HAVE A TOTAL OF EIGHT SPACES DEDICATED FOR SHED DISPLAY. THERE'S THE SEASONAL SALES CORRAL, IT TOTALS ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET OR ABOUT 40 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE OUT THERE OUT FRONT, AND THAT'S THE SEASONAL DISPLAY. THAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE FENCED, WHERE YOU WALK FROM THE GARDEN CENTER DIRECTLY INTO THE SEASONAL SALES FOR VARIOUS TYPES OF PLANTS OR CHRISTMAS TREES, PUMPKINS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. HOPEFULLY, THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. FROM A HOME DEPOT PERSPECTIVE, TO MR. I DON'T WANT TO MISPRONOUNCE YOUR NICE NAME. BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS THERE. HOME DEPOT'S A NATIONAL. THEY HAVE OVER 2000 STORES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THEY HAVE A PROTOTYPE, THEY HAVE A NATIONAL DESIGN AND BRAND. THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF THEIR BRAND. THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF THEIR PROTOTYPICAL ELEVATIONS. IN THIS STORE, THEIR INTENT IS A TILT WALL OR A PRECAST CONCRETE BUILDING. BUT IT WILL HAVE STONE AND BRICK ACCENTS ALONG THE FRONT FACADE ELEVATION THAT I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD HAVE IN YOUR PACKETS, OR HAVE SEEN WHAT THEIR PROTOTYPE IS. AS FAR AS THE PARKING GOES AS WELL, THE REASON FOR THE THREE FOR 1000 COMPARED TO THE FOUR FOR 1,000. WHICH, AS YOU'LL TYPICALLY SEE FROM KROGERS AND OTHER LARGE GOOD SHOPPING CENTERS, IS THEY'RE MORE OF A BULK PROVIDER, LIKE BULK ITEMS. THEY HAVE ACTUAL LESS ITEMS WITHIN THEIR STORE, BIGGER FOOTPRINT. AS MR. SITE'S MENTIONED, THE PARKING SPACES, THEIR PROTOTYPE IS A LARGER PARKING STALL COMPARED TO MOST JURISDICTIONS' MINIMUMS. THEIR PROTOTYPICAL IS 9 BY 19, AND I THINK HERE IT MAY EVEN BE 20 FEET DEEP, AND THAT IS TO ALLOW FOR THE TRUCKS AS THEY PULL IN, SO YOU'RE NOT HAVING TRUCKS STICKING OUT INTO YOUR PARKING AISLES. IT'S 400 SPACES OF A LARGER PARKING DIMENSION AS WELL. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. SORRY, AND ONE OTHER THING I FORGOT TO MENTION. COUNCIL MEMBER OVER HERE DID BRING IT UP IS THAT HOME DEPOT DOESN'T WANT THEIR CUSTOMERS GOING AROUND THE SIDES AND BEHIND THE STORE. THERE'S A LOT OF FORKLIFT TRAFFIC. THERE'S A LOT OF OPERATIONS THAT ARE OCCURRING. LOADING OCCURS IN THE REAR OF THE STORE. THEY'VE GOT A LUMBER DOOR WHERE THEY'RE DROPPING OFF LUMBER EQUIPMENT. ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE BY THE GARDEN CENTER, THEY'VE GOT THEIR LARGE BOX TRUCKS DELIVERING LAUNDRY, WASHERS, DRYERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IDEALLY, THEY WANT THEIR CUSTOMERS OUT FRONT. IT'S ALSO PROTECTING THEIR OWN ASSOCIATES AND EMPLOYEES, TOO. IF THERE IS SCREENING AROUND, SAID, RENTAL EQUIPMENT, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FROM OPERATIONS PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE THEY WANT THE EVERYDAY CUSTOMER OR PRO CONTRACTOR TO BE ABLE TO BACK THEIR TRUCK UP, HOOK UP TO THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S USUALLY ON A TRAILER AND THEN PULL IT AWAY VERSUS HAVING TO MANEUVER AROUND FENCES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT JUST MAKES IT INEFFICIENT AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO ACTUALLY SERVE THE CUSTOMERS. >> WOULD YOU AT LEAST SCREEN IN THE MATERIALS IN THE BACK OF THE STORE WHERE EVERYTHING IS BEING STORED OUT THERE SO THAT THAT IS SHIELDED OFF? >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> YES. THERE'S GOING TO BE A FENCE, BUT CAN IT BE SCREENED. >> I GUESS WHAT PART OF THAT? >> IN THE BACK OF HOME DEPOT WHERE STUFF GETS DROPPED OFF, YOU HAVE LIKE THE EXTRA LUMBER AND STUFF OUT BACK. >> SURE. >> CAN THAT AREA BE SCREENED IN? >> SCREENED FROM WHAT? JUST AS IF YOU WERE TO DRIVE BACK BEHIND THERE? >> SCREENED IN, YES. >> WITH A FENCE? >> IT'S ALREADY FENCED. PUTTING THE SCREEN ON THE FENCE. >> I THINK MR. SITE HAS MENTIONED, THERE'S A FENCE ALONG THE BACK PROPERTY LINE. >> WE HAVE A PRIVACY FENCE THAT SEPARATES THE CREEK ALONG THE BACK. IT GENERALLY GOES ALL THE WAY ALONG THE BACK. IF YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT CUSTOMERS AND PEOPLE GOING BEHIND THE STORES, WE REALLY DON'T WANT THAT. WE DO NOT ENCOURAGE THAT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'D BE SCREENING IN THE BACK BECAUSE WE HAVE A FIRE LANE THAT RUNS ALONG THE BACK. ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT FIRE LANE IS A LANDSCAPE BUFFER. [02:15:01] YOU CAN SEE THERE, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER PARCEL. BELOW IT IS THE BACK SIDE OF THE STORE. I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY COULD DO THAT. WE WOULDN'T NEED TO DO IT FOR OUR BOXES. WE'VE GOT ALDI AND PETSMART, TJ MAXX, HOLDEN GOODS, HOBBY LOBBY SHOP SPACE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT OUTDOOR TO THE FRONT OR OUTDOOR TO THE BACK. I'M NOT QUITE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT. >> I CAN ASK MAYOR FOR A POINT OF INFORMATION IF COUNCILWOMAN TALKING BECAUSE THERE'S A MOTION. A SECOND ON THE [OVERLAPPING]. I WOULD LIKE A POINT OF INFORMATION TO GO BACK THROUGH WHAT THE MOTION IS. >> IT WAS FOR THE EV CHARGERS, THE 80% MASONRY. I'M WILLING TO AMEND IT TO JUST HAVING. [OVERLAPPING] I HAD THE SCREEN FOR THE EQUIPMENT, AND THE RENTALS, THE MATERIALS, THE ROA. THEN I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION TO ENTER A NEW MOTION. MY NEW MOTION WILL BE FOR THE EV CHARGERS, THE 80% MASONRY, THE ROA, OUTDOOR SALES FOR BOX STORES ONLY, ADHERE TO THE TREE ORDINANCE. FOR THE RETENTION POND, NOT THE DETENTION POND, AS THE RETENTION POND IS WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? IS THAT THE RETENTION POND, IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE PROJECT? >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> MR. MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE RETENTION DETENTION POND. CAN WE HAVE THAT EXPLAINED TO US? >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ROBERT LEWIS. THE QUESTION ABOUT THE POND AS DESIGNED CURRENTLY, IT IS A DETENTION POND NOT A RETENTION POND. IT IS NOT INTENDED TO HOLD WATER PERMANENTLY. >> BUT DURING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, IT WAS APPROVED TO BE. BECAUSE, AS COUNSEL HAD SAID AT THAT MEETING WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, THEY WANTED IT TO BE AN AREA THAT COULD BE WALKED AROUND AND ENJOYED. WHAT'S APPROVED IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS FOR A RETENTION POND, NOT A DETENTION POND. KNOWING WHAT GOES IN THAT BACK CORNER, THAT PROPERTY THAT IS NOT YET ACCOUNTED FOR, YES. WE'RE GOING TO WANT A RETENTION POND, NOT A DETENTION POND. >> AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE A MOTION, AND WE HAVE A SECOND. IF YOU AGREE WITH IT, VOTE FOR IT, IF YOU DON'T, VOTE AGAINST IT, AND WE CAN ENTERTAIN AT THAT POINT. >> WHO SECONDED THAT MOTION? >> MS. DAVID GRADES, SHE SPOKE, SO HER SPEAKING. NO, BUT YOU SPEAKING IS A SECOND. >> MOTION DOES NOT PASS, IT FAILED. AT THIS TIME, I WILL ENTERTAIN A NEW MOTION. >> THEN THE CONDITIONS OF THE EV CHARGERS, 80% MASONRY, THE ROA, THE OUTDOOR SALES FOR BOXERS ONLY, AND ADHERE TO THE TREE ORDINANCE. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE CHANGES THAT SHE'S RECOMMENDED? IS THAT POSSIBLE? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT COUNSEL TO THINK THAT THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> EV CHARGERS, 80% MASONRY, THE ROA, OUTDOOR SALES FOR BOX STORES ONLY ADHERED TO THE TREE ORDINANCE. >> THAT WORKS FOR US. THAT WORKS FOR HOME DEPOT IN PARTICULAR. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WORKS FOR THE REST OF THE CENTER AS WELL. >> AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. [02:20:02] MOTION PASSES 6-0. AT THIS TIME, [H. EXECUTIVE SESSION] WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE. >> THANK YOU. >> WELL, HOLD ON. I GOT TO CALL IT OUT, SORRY. I'M TRYING TO GET TO IT. EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THE TERMS OF CHAPTER 551 OF TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE CITY COUNCIL MAY ENTER TO A CLOSED SESSION OR EXECUTIVE SESSIONS TO DISCUSS THE FOLLOWING. CONSULTATION WITH CITY ATTORNEY. THIS WILL BE IN THE MATTERS OF DEVELOPMENT AND PERFORMANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE SITES GROUP AND TAXATION OF PREVIOUS AND EX PROPERTIES. THE TIME IS 9:19. [I. ACTION PERTAINING TO EXECUTIVE SESSION] THE TIME IS 9:43, AND THIS WILL TAKE US OUT OF EXECUTIVE, AND THERE IS ACTIONS TO TAKE. AT THIS TIME, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO APPROVE A PROGRAM, WHEREBY THE CITY OF PRINCETON WAIVES ANY PENALTIES AND INTEREST ON DELINQUENT ADV TAXES ASSESSED BY THE CITY OF PRINCETON, FOR THE 2022 THROUGH 2024, TAX YEARS FOR THE PROPERTIES CONSIDERED OMITTED PROPERTY BY COLLIN COUNTY, AND SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCES. AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE ANY AND ALL DOCUMENTS RELATED THERE TOO AS AGREEABLE TO FORM, AND SUBSTANCE BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2016-02-22, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2018-10-9, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2018-10-9-01, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2019-09-09-04, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2021-11-08-01, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2022-0509, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2023-09-11-01, AND DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A COURTESY NOTICE LETTER AND SEND TO IMPACTED RESIDENTS. >> I SECOND. >> AT THIS TIME, YOU HAVE A SECOND. MOTION PASSES 6-0, [ L. REPORT AGENDA] AND THIS WILL TAKE US TO ITEM AND OUR REPORT AGENDA. NEXT SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING MONDAY, NOVEMBER 17. AM I ON THE RIGHT? >> NO. >> NO, I'M ON THE WRONG AGENDA. I APOLOGIZE. [LAUGHTER] I'M SORRY. >> NEXT REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING MONDAY, DECEMBER 8, 2025 AT 6:30 P.M. NEXT REGULAR EDC MEETING, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 18, 2025 AT 6:00 P.M. NEXT REGULAR CDC MEETING, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 19, AT 6:00 P.M. NEXT AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETING, WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 3, AT 6:30 P.M. NEXT HRC REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING, THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 2025, AT 6:30 P.M. NEXT LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD MEETING, THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 2026 AT 6:30 P.M. >> AT THIS TIME, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN? >> YOUR HONOR, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> I NEED A SECOND. >> I SECOND. >> WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF SAY, AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> TIME IS 9:45. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.