[00:00:01] ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CALL TO ORDER THE HOME RULE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING. TODAY IS JANUARY 15TH. THE TIME IS 6:35. WE WILL START WITH A CALL TO ORDER. SORRY. WITH A ROLL CALL VOTE A ROLL CALL VOTE ROLL CALL STARTING WITH JOSE RIOS, WHO'S NOT HERE. SUMBEL ZEB, NOT HERE. I'M HERE, JAISEN RUTLEDGE. JIM POWELL. HERE. ALL RIGHT. AND RANDALL ROBERTS. HERE. RYAN GERFERS IS NOT HERE. TERRENCE JOHNSON IS NOT HERE. JULIE ZELLER HERE. ALLISON GUERRERO. HERE. DAVID YOST IS NOT HERE. MARK CHRISTWELL'S NOT HERE. AMISHA NEAL IS NOT HERE. MAXINE ELLIS IS NOT HERE. SKYLER SMITH. HERE. JODY SUTHERLAND. PRESENT. CAROLYN DAVID-GRAVES IS NOT HERE. AND MARLO OBERA IS NOT HERE. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE TO INVOCATION THAT WILL BE GIVEN TO US BY RANDALL ROBERTS. IF YOU'D LIKE TO BOW YOUR HEAD. FATHER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACE AND YOUR MERCY. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SELF-GOVERN. AND I THANK YOU, LORD, FOR THE GRACE AND THE MERCY THAT YOU'VE EXTENDED TO EACH ONE OF US AT THIS TABLE. FATHER, IF THERE ARE ANY STILL TRAVELING HERE, I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD KEEP THEM SAFE. AND TONIGHT I ASK FOR ALL OF US YOUR KNOWLEDGE, YOUR UNDERSTANDING, AND YOUR WISDOM IN US DEALING WITH THESE THINGS BEFORE US. AND NOT ONLY MAY YOUR WILL BE DONE, BUT MAY WE ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE AS WELL. AND I ASK ALL THIS FATHER IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. AMEN. ALRIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND PLEDGE TO TEXAS FLAG. THAT MOVES US ON TO PUBLIC APPEARANCE. THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS SET ASIDE FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE ON ANY ITEM OF BUSINESS THAT'S NOT FORMALLY SCHEDULED ON THE AGENDA. AS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD COMPLETE A PUBLIC MEETING APPEARANCE CARD PRIOR TO THE MEETING AND PRESENT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY. SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED UP TO THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE COMMITTEE IS UNABLE TO RESPOND TO OR DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS PORTION THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A SPEAKER'S INQUIRY, OR TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO THE INQUIRY. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ONE SHALL ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE DIRECTLY, NOT THE CITY STAFF OR OTHERWISE, TO BE COURTEOUS, RESPECTFUL AND CORDIAL. THREE REFRAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL, DEMEANING, INSULTING, THREATENING AND OR DISPARAGING REMARKS AS TO MAINTAIN DECORUM AND SUPPORT THE EFFICIENT, ORDERLY FLOW OF THE MEETING. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE FOR PUBLIC APPEARANCE TODAY. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. [G. CONSENT AGENDA] CONSENT AGENDA. ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS LISTED ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE COMMITTEE, AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS COMMITTEE MEMBERS. SO REQUESTS IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED IN ITS NORMAL SEQUENCE ON THE AGENDA. CONSENT AGENDA ITEM IS. G.1 2025-204. CONSIDER APPROVING THE FOLLOWING HOME RULE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. NOVEMBER 20TH, 2025 HOME RULE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING DECEMBER 4TH, 2025 HOME RULE, HOME RULE REVIEW, HOME RULE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING. WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. I MAKE A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE GOT A MOTION BY RANDALL. A SECOND BY JIM. WE CAN VOTE. ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION PASSES SEVEN ZERO. THAT WILL MOVE US INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. [H.1 2025-205 Review and consider proposed amendments to Chapter 14 (“General and Transitional Provisions”) of the Home Rule Charter for the City of Princeton, Texas, as discussed at the November 20, 2025, Committee meeting; and take appropriate action. ] STARTING WITH ITEM H.1 2025-205. REVIEW AND CONSIDER PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 14, GENERAL AND TRANSITIONAL PROVISIONS OF THE HOME RULE CHARTER FOR THE CITY OF PRINCETON, TEXAS, AS DISCUSSED AT THE NOVEMBER 20TH, 2025 COMMITTEE MEETING, AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. AND I WILL OPEN THAT UP TO YOU, GRANT. ALRIGHT. WELL, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. SO KIND OF GETTING BACK INTO IT, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, SO KIND OF REFRESH EVERYONE'S MEMORY. SO WE'RE AT SECTION 14.08. WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST PARAGRAPH. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE A PRINT OUT BEFORE YOU. SO YOU'LL NOTICE THE NEW PROPOSED LANGUAGE IS BOLDED AND UNDERLINED. AND ESSENTIALLY, AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING ON NOVEMBER 20TH, WAS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT YOU KNOW, [00:05:04] THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT REQUIRES AS FAR AS NOTICE PROVIDING ELECTRONIC NOTICE VIA TEXT AND EMAIL, BUT ALSO MAKING IT CLEAR AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, TO NOT HAVE THAT YOU KNOW, SHOULD THERE BE ANY ISSUES WITH PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, TEXT OR EMAIL NOTIFICATIONS OR IF IT'S NOT DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER, THAT THE MEETING CAN STILL PROCEED AS LONG AS THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT SATISFIED? SO THAT'S THE FIRST PARAGRAPH. AND I'LL HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THAT AND WE CAN MOVE TO THE SECOND PARAGRAPH. ANY QUESTIONS? JUST ONE QUESTION. WE PROBABLY TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME. IT'S BEEN A MINUTE. THERE IS A LINK ON THE WEBSITE OR SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE TO SIGN UP FOR TEXT, EMAIL NOTICE. IS THAT KIND OF THE PRACTICAL MEDIUM FOR THIS? ON YOUR WEBSITE? BE. ON THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE NEED A MOTION FOR THIS. RIGHT? YES. ALL RIGHT. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. SO MOVED. ALL RIGHT. AND THE SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE CAN VOTE. MOTION PASSES 7 TO 0. BACK TO YOU, GRANT. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE SECOND PARAGRAPH. IS IN ADDITION TO THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT REQUIRING THE CITY TO MAINTAIN A PUBLIC FACING PORTAL TO MAKE AGENDAS, MINUTES, RECORDINGS, BUDGETS, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS AND CERTAIN PROJECT UPDATES READILY AVAILABLE ON THE ON THE WEBSITE, WHICH I KNOW THE CITY DOES SOME OF THAT ALREADY, BUT HAVING THAT IN THE CHARTER TO MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT AN OPEN RECORDS REQUEST TO OBTAIN SOME OF THIS INFORMATION. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. NO QUESTIONS. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO PASS 1408 SECOND HALF. A SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE CAN VOTE. PASSES SEVEN ZERO. ALL RIGHT. THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT SECTION FOR US. [H.2 2025-206 Review and consider all Committee-approved, proposed amendments to Chapters 1–15 of the Home Rule Charter for the City of Princeton, Texas; and take appropriate action] WE CAN MOVE ON TO H.2 2025-206. REVIEW AND CONSIDER ALL COMMITTEE APPROVED PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTERS ONE THROUGH 15 OF THE HOME RULE CHARTER FOR THE CITY OF PRINCETON, TEXAS, AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. WITH THAT, WE'LL BE PICKING BACK UP FROM WHERE WE LEFT OFF FROM OUR LAST MEETING. THERE'S A COUPLE OF SECTIONS THAT WERE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE MADE TO. SO WE'RE GOING TO START AT SECTION 3.04, WHICH IS AROUND COMPENSATION. I'M GOING TO READ IT AS IS. GRANT, WILL YOU BACK ME UP AND KIND OF GIVE RHYME OR REASON BEHIND IT. AND THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY. AND IF NOT THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO VOTE. SO IT READS NOW THE MAYOR SHALL RECEIVE COMPENSATION IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,000 PER MONTH. EACH COUNCIL MEMBER SHALL RECEIVE COMPENSATION AMOUNT OF $750 PER MONTH. IN ADDITION TO SUCH COMPENSATION, WHICH IS THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS SHALL BE ENTITLED TO REIMBURSEMENT OF ALL NECESSARY AND REASONABLE EXPENSES INCURRED IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR OFFICIAL CITY COUNCIL DUTIES UPON APPROVAL OF SUCH EXPENSES BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THAT IS IT FOR SECTION .3.0. SECTION 3.0 FOR COMPENSATION. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? YEAH. JUST TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT. SO THIS LANGUAGE IS THE SAME. THE LANGUAGE DIDN'T CHANGE JUST AS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. WE JUST BROKE IT OUT INTO TWO PARAGRAPHS. I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO SEE HOW IT'S PRESENTED ON PAGE AND SEE IF YOU LIKE IT IN THE TWO PARAGRAPHS, AND WE CAN ENTERTAIN A MOTION. THANKS, GRANT. I'M OPEN FOR A MOTION. WHENEVER ANYONE IS READY, I MOVE TO APPROVE SECTION 3.04 COMPENSATION, AS AMENDED. I SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A FIRST BY JULIE AND A SECOND BY SKYLER THAT WE'RE GOOD TO VOTE. AND THAT PASSES SEVEN ZERO. ALSO COMING BACK FROM THE LAST MEETING. AND JUST SO THE RECORD IS CLEAR I'M NOT SKIPPING AROUND. WE ACTUALLY ENDED ON 4.03 IS THE LAST THING WE VOTED FOR. BUT THESE WERE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE MADE THAT GRANT BROUGHT BACK FOR US TO REVIEW. SO WE'RE REVIEWING THOSE. ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT SECTION IS SECTION 3.08 ABSTENTIONS. AND THAT READS SHOULD ANY PERSON ON THE CITY COUNCIL CHOOSE TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING ON ANY QUESTION BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, WHERE NO LEGAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST EXISTS, AS PROVIDED IN SECTIONS 14.03 AND 14.04 OF THIS CHARTER AND APPLICABLE LAW. THE PERSON'S VOTE SHALL BE RECORDED AS A NEGATIVE OR NO VOTE IN THE OFFICIAL MINUTES OF THE MEETING. [00:10:06] GRANT. ANY BACKGROUND? YEAH. YEAH. SO THIS IS A BRAND NEW SECTION THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DIALOG ON THIS. THERE'S BEEN SOME INSTANCES IN THE PAST WHERE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL OR MEMBERS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WILL ABSTAIN ABSENT A LEGAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST. AND THEN AMBER AND I OR WHOEVER'S RUNNING THE MEETING KIND OF LEFT WITH WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? MOST CITIES HAVE SOMETHING IN THEIR CHARTER OR IN THEIR BYLAWS THAT SPECIFIES WHAT A NON LEGAL ABSTENTION MEANS ON THE RECORD. SO THIS IS JUST CLARIFYING THAT IF YOU ABSTAIN FOR A REASON THAT'S NOT A LEGAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST LIKE A, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIAL INTEREST OF OF PROPERTY OR OR WHATEVER, IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S A NO VOTE. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH. I MEAN, WE HAD MUCH DIALOG ON THIS, SO I FEEL LIKE WE PROBABLY PRETTY GOOD, BUT ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? FEEL FREE. IS THERE? IS THERE ANY SCENARIO YOU CAN THINK OF WHERE THIS COULD CREATE A PROBLEM? WHERE MY ABSTENTION MEANS NO. NO. I THINK WHAT THIS DOES IS IT IS IT ALMOST I MEAN, IT FORCES IT FORCES BOARD MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VOTE, RIGHT? I MEAN, AS OPPOSED TO IF YOU'RE ABSTAINING, I MEAN, IT HAS THE EQUIVALENT OF A NO. SO I NO, I DON'T I DON'T FORESEE IT BEING AN ISSUE. IT JUST KIND OF FORCES FORCES PUBLIC OFFICIALS TO VOTE YES OR NO AND NOT ABSTAIN. BUT AND THIS IS ONLY FOR THE REASON OF IF YOU ABSTAIN, BUT YOU DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. OKAY. IF YOU DO HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND YOU DO ABSTAIN, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? SO AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE NOT COUNTED FOR QUORUM. SO IF YOU HAVE A LEGAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST, YOU CAN'T VOTE AND YOU'RE NOT COUNTED FOR QUORUM PURPOSES. THIS IS DIFFERENT. YOU ARE COUNTED FOR QUORUM IF YOU ABSTAIN FOR NO LEGAL CONFLICT, YOU'RE JUST IT'S A IT'S A NO VOTE. SO YOU CAN STILL MAINTAIN QUORUM, BUT YOU IT'S COUNTED AS A NO VOTE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. AND SO IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ABSTAIN AND BUT THEY ABSTAIN FOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST REASONS AND YOU NO LONGER HAVE QUORUM, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? YOU DON'T HAVE QUORUM. YOU CAN'T CAN'T VOTE ON THE ITEM. YOU HAVE TO BRING IT UP AT THE NEXT MEETING OR IT'S JUST KILLED IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. RIGHT. YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD EXPECT. YEAH. I JUST I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S DEFINED ANYWHERE. I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A LEGAL, LEGAL CONFLICT, I THINK IT'S MENTIONED IN THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST SECTION OF THE CHARTER. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A LEGAL CONFLICT OR MAYBE IT'S IN THE BYLAWS, YOU'RE NOT COUNTED, YOU KNOW, PRESENT FOR QUORUM PURPOSES, AND YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN A QUORUM AT ALL TIMES IN ORDER TO, TO HAVE THE MEETING AND ACT ON ANY ITEM. SO BASICALLY, QUORUM COULD GO IN AND OUT, BUT THE MEETING WOULD CONTINUE. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. BUT THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS. I'M NOT SPLITTING HAIRS ON SAYS RECORDED AS A NO VOTE IN THE OFFICIAL MINUTES. SO HYPOTHETICALLY, YOU HAVE A YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO US RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU HAVE A 4-4 PRACTICALLY SPEAKING ACTUALLY A 4-3 AND SOMEBODY ABSTAINS. SO THAT TURNS INTO A 4-4 BECAUSE IT'S RECORDED AS A NO VOTE? HE SAID OFFICIAL MINUTES. BUT IN THE PRACTICAL SENSE, I MEAN, IT MEANS A NO VOTE, PERIOD. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE A 4. I KNOW WITH US, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IT REALLY IS NOT JUST OFFICIAL MINUTES. IT MEANS IT IS A NO. IT'S RECORDED AS A NO VOTE. YEAH, IT IS A NO VOTE. CORRECT, CORRECT. YEAH. I WAS SPLITTING HAIRS. THANKS. OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION. SINCE THIS, THE LANGUAGE IN THIS NEW SECTION SAYS THAT THE THE VOTE BECOMES AN ABSTENTION FOR NO LEGAL REASON BECOMES A NO VOTE. ARE WE ASSUMING, THEN, THAT EVERY ITEM THAT WOULD COME UP FOR VOTE IS GOING TO BE PHRASED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, SO THAT A NO VOTE IS ACTUALLY VOTING AGAINST THE ITEM THAT'S BEING VOTED ON? YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS BEST PRACTICE TO FOR ALL MOTIONS TO BE AN AFFIRMATIVE. RIGHT? BUT I GUESS NO MEANING A NEGATIVE. SO YOU'RE AGAINST WHATEVER THE WHATEVER THE ITEM IS? YEAH. YEAH. THE ANTITHESIS OF WHATEVER THE. YEAH. OKAY. ALL GREAT QUESTIONS. YEAH. SORRY. I WE DON'T PLAY FOLLOW THE LEADER, BUT I'M CURIOUS. THIS CLAUSE RIGHT HERE THIS CLAUSE RIGHT HERE. WHERE ELSE HAVE YOU SEEN THIS? SACHSE, MELISSA. I BROUGHT IT UP. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. HONESTLY, I WOULD SAY A MAJORITY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THEIR CHARTER OR IN A MINIMUM IN THEIR [00:15:08] BYLAWS. PRINCETON HAS HAS NEITHER RIGHT NOW. SO WHATEVER. YEAH. AWESOME. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, I KNOW WE WANT TO VOTE ON THIS ITEM. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT MARK CHRISTWELL IS IN ATTENDANCE, ARRIVED AT 6:46, AND CAROLYN DAVID-GRAVES IS ALSO IN ATTENDANCE. I TRACKED HER ARRIVING AT 6:47. AND WITH THAT WE HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR 3.73.08. ABSTENTIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECTION 3.08. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND BY JIM. WE ARE GOOD TO VOTE. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE? ALL RIGHT. THAT IS APPROVED. SIX FOR, ONE AGAINST, TWO ABSTAIN [LAUGHS] THAT'S INTERESTING. THAT'S INTERESTING. NO ABSTENTIONS YET. BUT UNTIL WE GET TO THE SECTION REGARDING. SO DOES THAT MAKE IT 6 TO 3? [LAUGHS] EVENTUALLY. ALRIGHT. THAT CLOSES US OUT FOR THOSE TWO AMENDMENTS. TO BE HONEST, THERE WERE NO OTHER ONES THAT WERE BROUGHT BACK. OKAY. THERE'S 4.0. 4.03, SUBSECTION TWO AND SUBSECTION 12. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT MOVES US TO SECTION 4.03. SPECIFIC POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE CITY MANAGER SUBSECTION TWO AND 12. WE'RE GOING TO BE, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT, I'M GOING TO READ THOSE. WE'LL START. DO WE HAVE THOSE SPLIT UP SEPARATELY TO BE VOTED ON? ARE THEY ARE THEY COLLECTIVE? OKAY. LET'S LET'S YEAH, YEAH, LET'S SPLIT THEM UP. SO I'LL START WITH SUBSECTION TWO WHICH READS IN COLLABORATION WITH THE MAYOR AS PROVIDED IN SECTION 3.01 OF THIS CHARTER, PREPARE AND RECOMMEND ITEMS FOR INCLUSION IN THE OFFICIAL AGENDA OF ALL CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND MEETINGS OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AS ESTABLISHED BY THE CHARTER OR ORDINANCE. AGAIN, THIS IS RELATING TO SPECIFIC POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE CITY MANAGER. SO WITH THAT BACKGROUND THERE, WORTH NOTING? YES. AS WE WERE GOING BACK THROUGH, I THINK THERE THE LANGUAGES, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS MANY MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, MONTHS BACK. AND SO THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU GUYS WANT TO STICK WITH, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY I KNOW JASON JUST READ OFF THE LANGUAGE, BUT PREVIOUSLY IT SAID IN COLLABORATION WITH AND SUBJECT TO THE AUTHORITY OF. SO WHAT THIS DOES IS REMOVES THE AND SUBJECT TO THE AUTHORITY OF LANGUAGE AS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AND APPROVED QUESTIONS. GOING. DID WE MOVE? DID WE ALREADY DO FOR FOR .02? WE WELL, THESE ARE SECTIONS. WE WE ENDED OFF AT 4.03 FROM THE LAST MEETING. SO WE'RE JUST COMING BACK TO THE REVISIONS THAT WERE MADE FROM BASED OUT OF THAT MEETING AND REVIEWING THOSE. SECTION 4.03 WHICH IS SUBSECTION TWO. WELL SUBSECTION TWO AND THEN WE'LL JUMP TO 12, BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE TWO THAT WERE CHANGED FROM THE LAST MEETING. 4.03, SUBSECTION TWO. POINT OF ORDER. IF WE'RE FOLLOWING THE GREEN UNDERLINE, WE'VE GOT GREEN ON THREE SECTION SUBSECTION THREE AND SUBSECTION EIGHT. YEAH. SO THREE, THREE AND EIGHT WERE APPROVED. I KNOW IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN THREE AND EIGHT WERE APPROVED AT THE LAST MEETING. TWO WAS UPDATED ON THE NOVEMBER 20TH MEETING. AND THEN 12 IS BRAND NEW. SO I SAID THREE SUBSECTION THREE AND EIGHT WERE ALREADY BLESSED AS IS TWO AND 12 ARE JUST TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE SECTION 4.03, SUBSECTION TWO, AS AMENDED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE CAN VOTE. I THINK WE'RE MISSING ONE. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS APPROVED NINE ZERO. JUMPING DOWN TO SUBSECTION 12 READS PROVIDE QUARTERLY PUBLIC REPORTS ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, CAPITAL PROJECTS, CONTRACTS, AND DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE METRICS. [00:20:02] AGAIN, SPECIFIC POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE CITY MANAGER. AND I'LL GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND. AND THEN GRANT, PLEASE COME BACK AND PROVIDE MORE COLOR. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING DONE. AND THAT I BELIEVE MAXINE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS. THIS IS REALLY JUST KIND OF MAKING IT CONCRETE TO ENSURE THE NEXT CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY MANAGER AFTER THAT CONTINUES TO DO THE SAME THING. I HAVE A QUESTION. IT STATES THEY NEED TO PROVIDE THE PREPARE AND BASICALLY PREPARE AND PROVIDE THE REPORTS. IT DOESN'T SAY WHO THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THE REPORTS TO. IT JUST SAYS THEY JUST NEED TO MAKE REPORTS. AND TO DOUBLE DOWN ON THAT, NOT JUST WHERE IT'S GOING TO PUBLISH HOW OFTEN A PUBLIC REPORT. I MEAN, DO I NEED TO KNOW WHAT DRAWER I NEED TO GO OUT TO? IF YOU SEE MY POINT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE WHERE ARE THEY MAKING PUBLIC? AND WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM TO MAKE IT PUBLIC. THEY'RE JUST SAYING IT HAS TO BE A PUBLIC REPORT. YEAH, BUT WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM WHERE TO MAKE IT PUBLIC. OR IS IT? IS IT JUST ASSUMED IT'S MADE TO THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE OF THE PREVIOUS SUBSECTIONS? BUT I THINK IT'S THAT'S JUST ONE VAGUE ASPECT IS ALL THE REST OF IT I LOVE. IT'S I THINK IT'S I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD POINT. I THINK THAT AT THE TIME WE HAD, WE ACTUALLY HAD SOME DIALOG AROUND THAT. THE REASON WHY I REMEMBER THIS IS BECAUSE I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE LAST MEETING TODAY BEFORE I CAME HERE. AND THE, THE, THE LOGIC AT THAT POINT THAT KIND OF LANDED US HERE WAS WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET TOO SPECIFIC AROUND LIKE, HOW. AND SO WE WANTED TO ALLOW THE CITY MANAGER TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO SO TO MAKE THAT DECISION. RIGHT. AGAIN, IF WE KIND OF NAIL DOWN TO WHAT KPIS SO ON AND SO FORTH, AS THINGS CHANGES, NOW WE HAVE TO GO BACK INTO THE CHARTER AND CHANGE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE. SO WE LEFT A LITTLE BIT MORE VAGUE TO ALLOW FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY. I THINK CURRENT STATUS AM I CORRECT RON GRANT, AMBER, CAROLYN, MAYBE YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I DO. I THINK IT'S IS IT PUBLISHED ON THE ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE, THE PORTLAND REPORTS. IT'S IT'S PUBLISHED. IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. AND JUST AS WE INDICATED INDICATED BEFORE, SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD BE A PART OF THE INTERNAL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT ARE NOT A PART OF THE CHARTER. THE CHARTER PROVIDES FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO PERFORM DIFFERENT DUTIES. I AGREE, BUT ALSO IN THE SPECIFIC JOB DESCRIPTION AND IN THE SPECIFIC DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS OF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. I THINK THESE CAN BE A PART OF THE PROCEDURAL THINGS THAT THE CITY MANAGER DOES, RATHER THAN PUTTING IT IN THE CHARTER. CAROLYN, I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT ONLY BECAUSE JOB DESCRIPTIONS CAN BE CHANGED. SO YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS IN ANY INTERNAL PROCEDURES OR WHERE I THINK THAT OUR THINKING ALONG HERE WAS THAT IF WE INCLUDED IN THIS DOCUMENT, WE CAN GUARANTEE THE PUBLIC IT WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT. SO IN THIS INSTANCE, INSTEAD OF SAYING PROVIDE QUARTERLY REPORTS, DO WE WANT TO SAY PROVIDE REPORTS ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST SO THAT IF THE CITY MANAGER DOES NOT FOR SOME REASON, IF THERE IS A REASON THAT IT COULD NOT BE PROVIDED QUARTERLY, AND IT'S DETERMINED THAT IT CAN BE DONE BY ANNUALLY, THAT WE ARE NOT IN VIOLATION OF THE CHARTER. THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THAT NUMBER 12 IS VAGUE ENOUGH. IT SAYS PROVIDE QUARTERLY PUBLIC REPORTS ON ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, CAPITAL PROJECTS, CONTRACTS, AND DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE METRICS. SO IF, AT MINIMUM, THE REPORT PROVIDED THE LEAST AMOUNT OF INFORMATION ON THOSE THINGS, THEN THE STATUTE IS MET, SO TO SPEAK. IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A STATUTE, BUT OTHERWISE IF THEY WANT TO MAKE IT AS DETAILED AS THEY WANT. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT DEFINING THE CONTENTS OF THE REPORT. WE'RE JUST SAYING MAKE A REPORT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE. AND THEN INTERNALLY THEY WOULD DECIDE OR AND LEGALLY IT'S PROBABLY BEEN DEFINED SOMEWHERE WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T MAKE PUBLIC. AND YEAH, I WOULD SAY JUST KIND OF AS A REMINDER, WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION LAST TIME THE THE TONE, GENERAL TONE, NOT EVERYONE'S TONE, THE GENERAL TONE OF THIS COMMITTEE WAS THAT THIS WAS VERY MUCH SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE LARGER ORGANIZATIONS DO. IT SHOULD BE IT'S ALMOST LIKE A STANDARD PRACTICE. AND THE THE GOAL IS TO ENSURE THAT IT'S HERE SO THAT THAT CONTINUES. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE SITUATIONS WHERE CERTAIN THINGS MAY COME AROUND GO AWRY TO WHERE CERTAIN ITEMS CAN'T BE PROVIDED. BUT AGAIN, TO RANDALL'S POINT, WE DIDN'T GET SO SPECIFIC TO WHERE IT KIND OF REALLY PINS THE CITY MANAGER DOWN. [00:25:02] I THINK THIS IS KIND OF A A BASIC LEVEL EXPECTATION. I REALLY, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF MEASURE FOR THE CITY MANAGER, WHOMEVER THAT PERSON IS. BUT AGAIN, THE TIME, IF WE JUST HAVE PROVIDE THE REPORTS, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DONE. AND THEN INTERNALLY YOU MAKE A DEFINITION AS TO HOW OFTEN THAT REPORT NEEDS TO BE MADE BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE. AS RANDALL SAYS, THINGS CHANGE. POLICIES CHANGE, PROCEDURES CHANGE, JOB DESCRIPTIONS CHANGE. BUT IT'S EASIER TO ADJUST TO THOSE THINGS THAN CHANGE THE CHARTER. SO I THINK THE CHARTER NEEDS TO BE BROADER IN THAT THE THE THE REPORTS WILL BE PROVIDED, THEY'LL BE EXPECTED. BUT THE TIME, I BELIEVE, SHOULD BE IN AN INTERNAL PROCEDURE. THAT'S JUST AND I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE IT. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE MAKE IT BROADER HERE IN THE CHARTER AS AN EXPECTATION. AND THEN IT'S MORE SPECIFIC IN THE INTERNAL PROCEDURES. THANK YOU. WELL WE GET TO VOTE TO TO SEE. SO IF IF THERE'S ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION OR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE WAY THAT WE AGAIN, I WANT TO BE CLEAR. THIS IS THIS IS THE WAY WE VOTED FOR THIS VERBIAGE LAST TIME, RIGHT? SO THIS IS WHERE THE COMMITTEE LANDED ON THE VERBIAGE AT THIS POINT. QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION. AND ADJUSTMENTS. I WOULD, I WOULD I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY STICK TO WHERE WE KIND OF LANDED BEFORE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE COMMITTEE LANDED. MR. CHRIS. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU CHAIR. I MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT SECTION 4.03, NUMBER 12, AS WRITTEN, I SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE CAN VOTE. MOTION PASSES EIGHT ONE. ALL RIGHT. GRANT, THAT IS IT. RIGHT FOR THE ITEMS THAT WE ADDRESSED IN OUR LAST MEETING. SO WE'LL BE PICKING UP INTO UNTRAVERSED TERRITORY [LAUGHS] MOVES US INTO CHAPTER FIVE. CITY DEPARTMENTS /FISCAL ADMINISTRATION. SECTION 5.02. TAX ADMINISTRATION. IT'S A LOT TO READ. ITEM A READS, THERE SHALL BE A DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION TO ASSESS AND COLLECT TAXES, THE DIRECTOR OF WHICH SHALL BE THE CITY TAX ASSESSOR AND COLLECTOR, WHO SHALL BE APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. HOWEVER, IN THE ALTERNATIVE, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY PROVIDE FOR SUCH SERVICES BY CONTRACT. ITEM B READS THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL HAVE THE POWER AND IS HEREBY HEREBY AUTHORIZED TO LEVY, ASSESS AND COLLECT ANNUAL TAXES NOT TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM LIMIT SET BY THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS AS THEY NOW EXIST, OR AS THEY MAY BE AMENDED ON EACH $100 ASSESSED VALUATION OF ALL PROPERTY HAVING A LOCATION WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY, AND NOT EXEMPT FROM TAXATION BY THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. ITEM C, WHICH IS WHERE WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT. ALL TAXES DUE TO THE CITY SHALL BE PAYABLE AT THE OFFICE OF THE CITY ASSESSOR AND COLLECTOR, OR AT SUCH LOCATION OR LOCATIONS, AS MAY BE DESIGNATED BY THE CITY COUNCIL VIA CONTRACT OR OTHERWISE, AND MAY BE PAID AT ANY TIME AFTER THE TAX ROLLS OF THE YEAR HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND APPROVED, WHICH COMPLETION AND APPROVAL SHALL BE NO LATER THAN OCTOBER 1ST. TAX TAXES SHALL BE PAID BEFORE FEBRUARY 1ST OF EACH YEAR, SUCCEEDING THE YEAR OF WHICH THE TAXES ARE LEVIED. ALL SUCH TAXES NOT PAID PRIOR TO SUCH DATE SHALL BE DEEMED DELINQUENT, AND SHALL BE SUBJECT TO SUCH PENALTIES AND INTEREST, AS MAY BE PROVIDED BY LAW, TO LEVY AND ASSESS TAXES THROUGH OMISSION AND PERFORATION OF THE PROVIDED. TAX ROLLS SHALL NOT RELIEVE THE PERSON, FIRM OR CORPORATION SO OMITTED FROM THE OBLIGATION TO PAY SUCH CURRENT OR PAST DUE TAXES SHOWN TO BE PAYABLE BY CHECK OR OF THE ROLLS AND RECEIPTS OF THE YEAR IN QUESTION, UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED BY LAW. ITEM D ALL PROPERTY HAVING ITS LOCATION IN THE CITY OF IN THE CITY ON JANUARY 1ST OF EACH YEAR, SHALL STAND CHARGED WITH WITH A LIEN IN THE FAVOR OF THE CITY FROM THIS FROM SAID DATE FOR THE TAXES DUE THERE. THEREON THE LIEN PROVIDED HEREBY SHALL BE SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHER LIENS EXCEPT OTHER TAX LIENS, REGARDLESS OF WHICH OF WHEN SUCH OTHER LIENS WERE CREATED. ALL PERSONS PURCHASING ANY OF SAID PROPERTY ON OR AFTER JANUARY 1ST IN ANY YEAR SHALL TAKE THE PROPERTY SUBJECT TO THE LIEN HEREIN PROVIDED, IN ADDITION TO THE LIEN HEREIN PROVIDED ON JANUARY 1ST OF ANY YEAR. THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, SUBJECT TO TAXATION BY THE CITY, SHALL BE PERSONALLY LIABLE FOR THE TAXES DUE THEREON FOR SUCH YEAR. THE CITY SHALL HAVE THE POWER TO SUE AND RECOVER PERSONAL JUDGMENT FOR TAXES WITHOUT FORECLOSURE, OR TO FORECLOSE ITS LIEN OR LIENS, OR TO RECOVER BOTH PERSONAL JUDGMENT AND FORECLOSURE IN SUCH SUIT, WHERE IT APPEARS THAT THE DESCRIPTION OF ANY PROPERTY OF THE CITY ASSESSMENT ROLLS IS INSUFFICIENT TO IDENTIFY SUCH PROPERTY, THE CITY SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO PLEAD GOOD DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPERTY TO BE ASSESSED TO PROVE THE SAME, AND HAVE ITS JUDGMENT FORECLOSING THE TAX LIEN AND OR FOR PERSONAL JUDGMENT AGAINST THE OWNER FOR SUCH TAXES AS SUCH, [00:30:07] OWNERSHIP AND PROPERTY APPEARS ON THE CERTIFIED TAX ROLL. OOH, THAT'S A MOUTHFUL, CHAIR. GOOD JOB. I'M. I'M. YES. I'M GONNA NEED SOME MORE WATER. BEFORE YOU POSE FOR QUESTIONS. DRINK SOME WATER. JUST FOR A POINT OF CLARITY, BECAUSE I GET CONFUSED EASY. I SEE WE'RE VOTING ON THE 2025-2026. EVERY SINGLE TIME. CAN WE BREAK IT OFF SO WE KNOW WHAT SECTIONS WE'RE VOTING FOR? AND THE REASON WHY WE SKIPPED 4.02. WE SKIPPED SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS. SO NOT TO FORCE SOMEBODY TO GO BACK AND WATCH THE WHOLE THING TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR. IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? CAN THAT BE ADJUSTED LIKE REAL TIME [INAUDIBLE]. IT'S JUST I MEAN, THIS IS BASICALLY LIKE OUR SYSTEM. GOTCHA. THE AGENDA. SO IF IF THE VIDEO GOES OUT AND ALL WE HAVE IS THE VOTE TO GO OFF OF, HOW DO WE KNOW WHICH ONE WE VOTED FOR? BECAUSE I LIKE YOUR TRUST LEVEL. BUT WE CAN'T. WE CAN'T DO IT. WE'RE ALSO. I'VE NOTICED THAT WE'RE ALL BEING CAREFUL WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THE MOTION. SO I THINK THAT THE I MEAN, THAT DOES PUT THE BURDEN ON THE, THE MEMBER OF THE, THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND THE PERSON WHO'S LISTENING. BUT WE ARE ALL BEING CAREFUL, AND I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE CAREFUL TO ENUMERATE WHAT WE'RE VOTING FOR, PARTICULARLY WHERE IT RELATES TO SUBSECTIONS. WELL, I PROPOSE THAT WE ADOPT SECTION 5.02, SUBSECTION C, WITH THE HIGHLIGHTED WORDING. I SECOND. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. CHRISTWELL AND A SECOND BY CAROLYN DAVID GRAVES. AND WE ARE GOOD TO VOTE. WELL KIND OF. $100. THERE WE GO. WE HAVE SEVEN SO FAR. I KNOW JODY STEPPED OUT. YEAH, WE'RE MISSING ONE. THERE WE GO. I'M GOING TO JUST WAIT A WHILE TO SEE IF JODY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT HE CAUGHT. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TIME HE STEPPED OUT. SO WE'LL SEE IF HE FEELS COMFORTABLE VOTING OR NOT. OH. HE LEFT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OH, YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON RIGHT. WITHOUT JODY. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON. IS THAT EIGHT ZERO WITHOUT JODY? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THIS ONE'S A LOT SMALLER. THAT MOVES US ON TO CHAPTER SIX. CITY SECRETARY AMBER. PLUG YOUR EARS. SECTION 6.02, DUTIES OF THE CITY SECRETARY. THE CITY SECRETARY SHALL HOLD ON. DO WE HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THIS SECTION? YEAH, THERE'S A CHAIR THERE AT THE BOTTOM. NUMBER SEVEN. GOT YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE CITY SECRETARY. SHALL ONE ATTEND ALL MEETINGS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND KEEP ACCURATE RECORDS OF ALL ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE COUNCIL TO MAINTAIN THE OFFICIAL RECORDS AND FILES OF THE CITY. THREE, ADMINISTER OATHS REQUIRED BY LAW FOR ATTEST CONTRACTS, ASSESSMENT CERTIFICATES, ORDINANCES, RESOLUTIONS, AND OTHER LEGAL INSTRUMENTS. WHEN EXECUTED BY THE AUTHORIZED OFFICERS OF THE CITY, FIVE SERVE AS ELECTION OFFICIAL FOR ALL CITY ELECTIONS. SIX HOLD AND MAINTAIN THE CITY SEAL AND AFFIX IT TO ALL APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTS AS REQUIRED. SEVEN AND THIS IS WHERE THE AMENDMENT IS. PERFORM SUCH OTHER DUTIES AS MAY BE REQUIRED BY THE CITY MANAGER, THIS CHARTER AND THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I HAVE A QUESTION, AND I KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT I WAS ABSENT FOR THAT MEETING. SO IF IT WAS COVERED, PLEASE JUST LET ME KNOW. IN MY ORIGINAL COPY, I WROTE DOWN WHEN WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT PUBLIC INFORMATION. I WROTE DOWN TO MYSELF TO BE SURE TO COME BACK AND ADD TO ONE OF THE DUTIES OF THE CITY SECRETARY, THAT HE OR SHE WOULD FUNCTION AS THE OFFICE OF PUBLIC INFORMATION. DID WE DECIDE AGAINST THAT? WAS THAT EVER BROUGHT UP? BECAUSE IT IT CAME WAY A LONG TIME AGO WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC INFORMATION AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE WITHIN THE CITY STRUCTURE. AND I DON'T SEE IT HERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK, I DON'T RECALL HONESTLY. SO I DO REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION. I THINK THIS OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE THE PLACE TO ADD IT. SO I WOULD SAY UNDER 6.02 SUBSECTION TWO MAINTAIN THE OFFICIAL RECORDS AND FILES OF THE CITY WOULD COVER IT. [00:35:01] BUT I THINK WHAT WE COULD ELABORATE, POTENTIALLY TO ADD MORE LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, SERVE AS THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. OR JUST ADD ANOTHER VERB OR, YOU KNOW, MANAGE. SURE. AND WHATEVER YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO ADD THERE. WELL, IT COULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE, MAINTAIN THE OFFICIAL RECORDS AND FILES OF THE CITY AND RESPOND TO REQUESTS FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION AS NECESSARY. IS THAT A MOTION? SO MOVED. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT IS I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT AS A MOTION. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SECOND THAT? I'LL SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT AMENDMENT. WE HAVE A SECOND BY CAROLYN. I HEARD HER FIRST AND WE CAN VOTE FOR THAT AMENDMENT. QUESTION DO YOU HAVE. YEAH. YEAH. PLEASE. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS MOVING FAST. SO CAN YOU SAY AGAIN? SO YOU'RE TRYING TO CHANGE AND MAINTAIN THE OFFICIAL RECORDS AND FILES OF THE CITY? TO WHAT? AND RESPOND TO REQUESTS FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION AS NECESSARY OR OR JUST AND RESPOND TO REQUESTS FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION. MAYBE JUST THAT'S THE END OF IT. IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW OR IN ACCORDANCE? YEAH. LIKE OPEN RECORDS OR PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT'S A DIFFERENT THAT'S WHAT I SAID. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S A DIFFERENT PERSON. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO PAUSE FOR A SECOND. OKAY. OKAY. ANY KIND OF, LIKE, PUBLIC INFORMATION. SO MAYBE WE HAVE TO AMEND THAT TO OPEN RECORDS. SO I WILL AMEND THE MOTION TO RESPOND TO WHATEVER AMBER SAID. WHAT WHAT'S THE LANGUAGE THEN? WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE. DO PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST. OH, YEAH. RESPOND PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS. OH. IS THAT. DID YOU SAY THAT? THAT'S NOT YOUR ROLE, RIGHT? WELL. OPEN RECORDS, OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. DO WE HAVE. OKAY. SO ESSENTIALLY BY HER USING THAT VERBIAGE PUBLIC INFORMATION, IT IS ALSO INCLUSIVE OF OPEN RECORDS. SO IT WOULD NOT BE PINNING YOU TO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT PART OF YOUR NORMAL. CORRECT. OKAY. THEN YOU'RE FINE. SO I WITHDRAW MY AMENDMENT AND MOVE THAT WE APPROVE SECTION 6.02, SUBSECTION TWO TO READ, MAINTAIN THE OFFICIAL RECORDS AND FILES OF THE CITY AND RESPOND TO PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW. SECOND. I SECOND THE MOTION. WE'RE GOOD TO VOTE. SHE'S SAYING THAT THEY'RE OPEN RECORDS IS A SUBSECTION OF PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST. SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING. I'LL PREPARE YOU ALL SEE THE LINK TOGETHER. GOT YOU. VERY CLEAR. BECAUSE WE HAVE EIGHT THAT HAVE VOTED SO FAR. WE HAVE MISSING ONE.I THINK IT'S MARK. HAVE YOU VOTED, MARK? NO, I HAVEN'T VOTED. I'M SORRY. I WAS STILL QUESTIONING WHY YOU GUYS WERE GOING. I GUESS I'LL JUST VOTE AGAINST. SO. SORRY. NO, NO, I VOTED AGAINST BECAUSE I GUESS WHAT MY MY FEAR IS WE'RE PUTTING THIS AS A PARAMETER OF THE CITY SECRETARY, WHEN IT MAY NOT BE HER WHO PULLS THE RECORDS. I MEAN, THE CLARIFICATION THAT IT IS LIKE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST IS PART OF HER ROLE, WHICH IS WHICH, IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IS A IS PART OF A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST. RIGHT. TODAY. THE CITY SECRETARY OF FRISCO DOESN'T RESPOND TO OPEN RECORDS. SURE. SO I WOULD SAY IT'S SYNONYMOUS TO LIKE, THE CITY MANAGER. THE CITY MANAGER IS NOT PREPARING THE WHOLE BUDGET. HE'S JUST RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING THE BUDGET PROCESS. SO IT'D BE THE SAME AS MEMBERS NOT RESPONDING TO EVERY SINGLE OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. SHE'S JUST OVER THE OPEN RECORDS. READ THE WORDING AGAIN. I'M SORRY, I'M CONFUSED ON THE WORDING. READ THE WORDING AGAIN OF THE OF WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. SHOULD WE MAINTAIN THE OFFICIAL RECORDS AND FILES OF THE CITY AND RESPOND TO PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH LAW? AND I THINK IN RESPECT. WELL, IN RESPECT TO YOUR CONCERN, THOUGH, MARK, I WOULD SAY THAT ANYONE IN A POSITION IN A MANAGERIAL OR SUPERVISORY POSITION, COULD HAVE THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE IN A JOB DESCRIPTION AND STILL DELEGATE IT TO A MEMBER OF HIS OR HER STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THE [00:40:03] SPIRIT OF THE JOB REQUIREMENT IS MET. YEAH, IT'S KIND OF A FUNCTION OF REFORM THING. IT'S IT'S THE ONUS, RIGHT. WOULD STILL BE ON THE THE ROLE OF THE CITY SECRETARY OF THE OFFICE OF THE CITY SECRETARY. BUT THE FUNCTION OF IT, LIKE ACTUAL ACTIONING, IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE HERS. YES, I HEAR THE WORDS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS BEING SAID. WE'RE TELLING HER THIS IS DUTIES OF THE CITY SECRETARY. WE'RE TELLING HER THAT'S HER DUTY OR HIS DUTY TO DO. RIGHT, RIGHT. DON'T WANT TO MISS ANYBODY. SO THE REASON WHY I'M PUSHING BACK IS I LIKE IT AS IS BECAUSE AS IS IT STILL ALLOW HER TO FUNCTION IN THAT WAY. GOTCHA. AS AN OVERSIGHT OR OVERSEER OF THE RECORDS DEPARTMENT TO SAY WHEN WE DOUBLE IN SIZE. SKYLER, RESPOND TO THIS ONE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. BRING IT BACK TO ME. GOOD INPUT. WELL, IT PASSED EIGHT ONE. [LAUGHS] YEAH, I'LL BRING THE LANGUAGE BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING. WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AGAIN. WE'LL ACTUALLY SEE IT ON THE PAPER. GOTCHA. SO GREAT. ALL RIGHT. FOR THE FOR THE SAKE OF OF MOVING FORWARD, DID WE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE NUMBER SEVEN? OH, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE IT'S ON THE SCREEN NOW. SEE, MY GIRL GOT MY BACK. SECTION 6.02, NUMBER SEVEN. I PROPOSE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE UPDATE AS WRITTEN. I SECOND. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE. NINE ZERO. I AM DETERMINED FOR US TO GET THROUGH WITH THIS. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT SECTION. CHAPTER EIGHT MUNICIPAL COURT SECTION 8.02 MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGE. THE JUDGE OF MUNICIPAL COURT AND ALL ALTERNATES SHALL BE COMPETENT, DULY QUALIFIED AND LICENSED ATTORNEY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. THE JUDGE OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT SHALL BE APPOINTED TO A TERM OF TWO YEARS, AND MAY BE APPOINTED TO ADDITIONAL CONSECUTIVE TERMS AT THE WILL AND PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THE SECTION THAT THE PORTION OF THAT IS BEING AMENDED IS REMOVAL OF THE JUDGE OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT PRIOR TO THE END OF HIS HER TERM, SHALL REQUIRE A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THE JUDGE SHALL RECEIVE SUCH COMPENSATION AS MAY BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THIS COMPENSATION SHALL BE FIXED AND AND COMMENSURATE WITH THE DUTIES PERFORMED BY THE JUDGE. MUNICIPAL JUDGE SHALL OVERSEE AND DIRECT THE CLERK OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT REGARDING FUNCTIONS OF THE JUDICIAL BRANCH, AND THE CITY MANAGER SHALL PROVIDE OVERSIGHT WITH REGARD TO ALL OTHER SUPERVISORY MATTERS AND GENERAL ADMINISTRATION OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT, PERSONNEL AND FACILITIES. QUESTIONS. LOOKING AT YOU, MARK. NO QUESTIONS CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT SECTION 8.02 AS WRITTEN. I SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE'RE GOOD TO VOTE. THAT WAS MARK. MR. CHRITSWELL. I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU CHAIR. AMAZING JOB, BY THE WAY. MY WIFE SAYS WHEN I'M TIRED, I GET GOOFY, SO I MIGHT BE A LITTLE TIRED. I LOVE CONSISTENCY. NINE ZERO. THAT MOTION IS APPROVED. MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT SECTION. SECTION 8.05 COST FINES AND, SORRY, COSTS, FINES, PENALTIES AND REPORTING. THE FIRST SECTION READS: ALL COSTS, FINES AND PENALTIES IMPOSED BY THE MUNICIPAL COURT SHALL BE PAID INTO THE CITY TREASURY FOR THE USE AND BENEFIT OF THE CITY, AS MAY BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESENT AND FUTURE STATE LAWS. AND THEN THE SECTION B, WHICH IS AMENDED AS WELL, READS. THE CITY MANAGER SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ESTABLISHING, MAINTAINING AND MONITORING A SYSTEM OF ACCOUNTING FOR BONDS, COLLECTIONS AND DEPOSIT TRANSACTIONS OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT, INCLUDING THE BEGINNING BOND STATUS, ANY ADDITIONS OF FORFEITURES AND THE ENDING BOND STATUS. WHICH SYSTEM, WHICH SYSTEM SHALL GENERATE PERIODICALLY, MEANING AT LEAST MONTHLY UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED BY LAW REPORTS CONTAINING THE MUNICIPAL COURTS, FISCAL ACTIVITY AND OPERATIONS. AND JUST FOR NOTE THE SECTION TITLE WAS IS ALSO AMENDED TO COST FINES FOR STRIKING OUT AND INCLUDING PENALTIES AND THEN ADDING AND REPORTING. QUESTIONS. POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IS A IN GREEN BECAUSE THESE WERE ORIGINALLY ONE THING AND WE SEPARATED THEM. OKAY. JULIE'S COMING AFTER MY JOB. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT SECTION 8.05. THE TITLE AND SUBSECTIONS. WELL, A AND B AS WRITTEN. I SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'RE GOOD TO VOTE. [00:45:06] THAT PASSES NINE ZERO. MOVES US INTO CHAPTER NINE, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. STARTING WITH SECTION 9.05. OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THE CITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL EXCUSE ME. CREATE. ESTABLISH A POINT OR I'M SORRY. OR APPOINT AS MANY MAY BE REQUIRED BY THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS OR THIS CHARTER, SUCH OTHER BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES AS IT DEEMS NECESSARY TO CARRY OUT THE FUNCTIONS AND OBLIGATIONS OF THE CITY. I'M SORRY. THE CITY PERIOD. THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL BE BY ORDINANCE. I LOOK AT DOCUMENTS LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M HAVING A HARD TIME RIGHT NOW. THE CITY COUNCIL, BY ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION, PRESCRIBED THE PURPOSE, COMPOSITION, FUNCTIONS, DUTIES, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND TENURE OF EACH BOARD, COMMISSIONS OR COMMITTEE WHERE SUCH ARE NOT OTHERWISE PRESCRIBED BY THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS OR THIS CHARTER. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? THAT'S SECTION 9.05. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR SECTION NINE. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT SECTION 905 AS STATED. I SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO VOTE. MOTION PASSES NINE ZERO MOVING US INTO SECTION 9.06. SECTION TITLES. DUAL APPOINTMENTS PERMITTED. THIS IS LOOKS LIKE AN ENTIRELY NEW SECTION, READS UNLESS OTHERWISE PROHIBITED BY THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, NOTHING IN THIS CHARTER SHALL PREVENT AN INDIVIDUAL FROM BEING APPOINTED TO AND SERVING SIMULTANEOUSLY ON MORE THAN ONE BOARD, COMMISSION, OR COMMITTEE OF THE CITY. SUCH APPOINTMENTS MAY BE MADE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, SUBJECT TO ANY APPLICABLE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS AND CONFLICT OF INTEREST PROVISIONS. QUESTIONS. I MOVE TO ACCEPT SECTION 9.06 EDITION IN ITS ENTIRETY. I SECOND THAT MOTION. MOTION. MR. CHRISTWELL, SECOND BY MR. ROBERTS. WE'RE GOOD TO VOTE. NINE ZERO. MOVING US TO SECTION 9.07. SECTION TITLE IS TRANSPARENCY, ATTENDANCE, TERM LIMITS AND TRAINING. THE SECTION READS. THE FOLLOWING SHALL APPLY TO ALL BOARDS, COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES OF THE CITY. ALL MEETINGS OF EVERY BOARD, COMMISSION AND COMMITTEE OF THE CITY SHALL ONE BE VIDEO RECORDED AND ARCHIVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WITH CHAPTER 551, TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND APPLICABLE LAW AND TWO, MAY PUBLICLY BE AVAILABLE ONLINE WITHIN FIVE BUSINESS DAYS THEREAFTER. B READS IF A MEMBER OF A BOARD, COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE OF THE CITY FAILS TO ATTEND THREE CONSECUTIVE REGULAR MEETINGS, OR 25% OF REGULAR MEETINGS DURING A ROLLING 12 MONTH PERIOD, THE MEMBER'S OFFICE IS CONSIDERED AUTOMATICALLY FORFEITED. C READS INDIVIDUALS APPOINTED TO SERVE ON A BOARD, COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE OF THE CITY SHALL BE LIMITED TO SERVING THREE CONSECUTIVE TERMS, UNLESS OTHERWISE WAIVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. D, EACH INDIVIDUAL APPOINTED TO SERVE ON A BOARD, COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE IN THE CITY MUST COMPLETE AND MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE WITH ANY AND ALL CITY AND STATE MANDATED TRAINING REQUIREMENTS. E, THE MAYOR MAY APPOINT A TEMPORARY ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON A AS NEEDED BASIS TO INVESTIGATE, REPORT AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON MATTERS OF PUBLIC CONCERN, WHICH APPOINTMENTS MUST BE CONFIRMED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. AND I BELIEVE THAT IS THE ENTIRETY OF THIS NEW SECTION OF SECTION 9907. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS A COUPLE OF THESE ITEMS THAT I HAVE RECENTLY RESEARCHED. OKAY. OKAY. SO THEY RECENTLY HAD A BUNCH OF BOARD MEMBER OPEN UP. AND SO I KIND OF WENT AND WE WENT TO THE COUNCIL MEETING ON MONDAY, AND I KIND OF DID A BRIEF SURVEY AMONGST SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ALSO LIKE JUST THE CITY, BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THEY HAD TO EXTEND SOME OF THE OPENINGS, AND I ASKED SOME OF THEM ABOUT LIKE SOME OF THE STUFF. AND WE KIND OF CAME TO A CONCLUSION THAT MAYBE HAVING BOARD TERM LIMITS MIGHT BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE CURRENTLY HAVING ISSUES FILLING VACANT POSITIONS FOR BOARD MEMBERS. SO IF WE LIMIT THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE ALREADY ON BOARDS AND TELL THEM THEY CAN HAVE TO BASICALLY LEAVE AFTER A CERTAIN TIME, AND THEY CURRENTLY CAN'T FILL VACANCIES. NOW THAT MIGHT EVEN CAUSE A BIGGER ISSUE. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE NOTICED. THE OTHER THING IS THAT CURRENT BOARD MEMBERS, WHEN THEY COME UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT THERE IS NO BASICALLY LIKE RULER ANYWHERE WHERE IT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO REAPPLY. AND THEY THOUGHT MAYBE THAT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL AS SAYING IF YOU'RE BASICALLY IF YOUR TERM IS UP, [00:50:04] IS HAVING YOU REAPPLY AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOUR TERMS UP, PUT IN YOUR APPLICATION OR HAVE IT SUBMITTED AGAIN SO THAT THEY CAN COMPARE YOU TO THE APPLICANTS THAT ARE ALREADY APPLYING TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD GETS THE MOST VALUE FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPLYING COMPARED TO THE BOARD MEMBERS. AND OF COURSE, THEY WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION YOU'RE ALREADY ON THE BOARD. YOUR ATTENDANCE, MAYBE IF THERE'S LIKE A CEO OR SOMETHING, THEIR RECOMMENDATION LIKE, HEY, LIKE I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE VALUABLE. THEY'VE BEEN ATTENDING ALL THE MEETINGS. LIKE, I WANT THEM TO COME BACK. AND THOSE, OF COURSE, WOULD GET, YOU KNOW, HIGHER UP BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE BOARD. BUT ALSO LIKE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION LIKE, OH, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THESE VALUABLE APPLICANTS AS WELL AND COMPARING THEM THAT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING MORE VALUABLE TO PUT ON HERE AS OPPOSED TO TERM LIMITS. SO JUST THINGS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE I KNOW WE WERE HAVING SOME ESPECIALLY I THINK P&Z WAS HAVING SOME PROBLEMS FILLING THEIR BOARD. BUT THIS THIS ALSO HAS AN ITEM C HAS THAT THEY WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE CONSECUTIVE TERMS UNLESS OTHERWISE WAIVED BY COUNCIL. SO COUNCIL HAS THE OPTION TO MAKE CHANGES AT THE TIME. SO CHANGES TO TERM LIMITS, CHANGES TO RE-APPLICATION OF CURRENT MEMBERS. I THINK THIS COVERS IT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE TERM LIMITS ON ANY OF THE BOARDS? OKAY. SO NOBODY IS LEAVING THE BOARDS BECAUSE THEY'VE REACHED A TERM LIMIT? NO. SO SO THEN SO TERM LIMITS ARE NOT AN ISSUE AT THIS POINT. WELL. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I CAN'T HEAR YOU. MARK, COULD YOU USE YOUR MIC? YEAH. OH. YEAH, I WAS, I GUESS I JUST GOT TALKED OVER. NO, I MEAN, JODY HERE. JODY'S IN THE QUEUE. SO BASICALLY, EVERY OTHER YEAR, I THINK IT IS, LIKE, EVEN IN ODD YEARS, RIGHT? THEY COME UP FOR REELECTION ON THE BOARDS. ISN'T THAT HOW IT WORKS? BASICALLY, BECAUSE I KNOW. AND SO BASICALLY THEY CAN EITHER AUTOMATICALLY BE JUST PUT BACK ON THE BOARD OR THEY CAN CHOOSE TO. AND THIS YEAR THE MAYOR WAS ASKING FOR THEM TO BASICALLY REAPPLY THE. AND THEN IT'S JUST LIKE A TERM LIMIT. AND THEN THEY TYPICALLY AUTOMATICALLY GET PUT BACK ON THE BOARD BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIMIT. SO IF THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB AND THERE'S NO REASON TO TELL THEM THAT THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT DOING A GOOD JOB AND THEY AUTOMATICALLY GET BACK ON THE BOARD. AND THEN IF THERE'S A VACANCY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE BOARD OR NOT. THAT'S WHEN SOMEBODY NEW IS ABLE TO BE THEN APPOINTED TO THE BOARD. THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW IT WORKS. I WANT TO JUST TAKE A PAUSE AND RECOGNIZE THAT [INAUDIBLE] WAS IN QUEUE [INAUDIBLE] AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I THINK ALLISON'S GOT A REALLY GOOD POINT. BUT IN MY MIND, LIKE CAROLYN I THINK IT'S CURED BY THE WAIVER. THAT'S THAT'S MY IMPRESSION. CAN I ASK A QUESTION. DO WE REMEMBER WHY THE THREE CONSECUTIVE WHY THE NUMBER THREE WAS PUT INTO THIS? OH, IT WAS MAXINE. OKAY, SO. ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHY WHY THE THREE WAS PART OF AN ISSUE AT THE TIME OF MY RECALL, AT THE TIME WE WERE DISCUSSING IS THAT WE WANTED IT TO MATCH. ALSO, I THINK WHAT COUNCIL THE, THE LIMITATIONS FOR COUNCIL, BUT ALSO TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER INDIVIDUALS TO BE A PART OF THE BOARDS, AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS THERE JUST CONSISTENTLY REMAIN BECAUSE THERE WERE NO LIMITS. AND SO I THINK THAT THE CHANGE THAT MAXINE RECOMMENDED [INAUDIBLE] COVERS BOTH. IT COVERS THE TERM AND IT ALSO COVERS IF IF CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE APPLYING THAT COUNCIL CAN MAKE THE WAIVER. SO I THINK AND I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT IT BOTH ARE COVERED AND WE JUST ACCEPT THAT SECTION 907 AS WRITTEN. I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE STATEMENT. SO I WILL SAY PREVIOUSLY YOU GUYS, THERE WAS A CUMULATIVE TERM LIMIT FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AND THE COMMITTEE REMOVED THAT FOR MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO MY THOUGHT IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE A TERM LIMIT FOR COUNCIL. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST MY, MY TAKE IS, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TERM LIMIT FOR ONE, MAYBE NOT HAVE IT FOR, FOR ALL. BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY Y'ALL'S DECISION. [00:55:02] OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I RECOGNIZE. SO, CAROLYN, WAS THAT YOU MADE A YOU MADE A MOTION. YES. OKAY. LET ME GO AHEAD AND SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND, AND THEN WE CAN OPEN FOR QUESTIONS TO GET BACK INTO IT. I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. AND NOW CAN WE RESTATE THE MOTION ONE MORE TIME FOR CAROLYN. I WOULD LIKE TO MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT SECTION 9.07 FROM A THROUGH E AS WRITTEN. AND I BELIEVE WE HAD A SECOND BY JODY. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND GOOD FOR QUESTIONS. NOW I HAVE A QUESTION JUST OF CLARIFICATION. SO THESE THREE CONSECUTIVE TERMS IN C WOULD MEAN A TOTAL OF SIX YEARS. IF I HEARD ALISON CORRECTLY, YOU SERVED FOR TWO AND THEN CURRENTLY YOU SERVE FOR TWO AND THEN YOU'RE UP FOR CONSIDERATION TO CONTINUE. OKAY. QUESTION DOES THIS REPRESENT OR SOMEONE ELSE DOES THIS REPRESENT A MODEL OF SOMETHING IN PLACE AT THIS TIME. AND AND IF SO, YES OR NO. I MEAN I I'LL JUST SAY I'M NOT AS ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING TERM LIMITS FOR BOARD MEMBERS. I MEAN, NOT TO SAY SOME CITIES AND SOME LARGER CITIES MAY HAVE HAVE THAT. IT'S JUST I'M, I THINK TO THE POINT THAT MAYBE ALISON BROUGHT UP EARLIER, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU STILL REQUIRE ALL BOARD MEMBERS TO REAPPLY. SO THEY'RE UP EVERY TWO YEARS FOR RECONSIDERATION. BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S GOOD AND THEY'RE ON THE BOARD AND THEY'RE DEDICATED TO SERVING, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHY CUT THEM OFF AT SIX YEARS? SO I, I I'M NOT AS ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING TERM LIMITS FOR BOARD MEMBERS, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T. AND I THINK THAT IT WAS POINTED OUT EARLIER THIS, THIS WAIVER PROVISION KIND OF CURES IT. SO IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH HAVING APPLICANTS, YOU COUNCIL CAN CAN WAIVE THE TERM LIMIT. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE REAPPLICATION. I THOUGHT THAT WAS SORT OF A PROPOSITION OR RECOMMENDATION. IS THAT IN PLACE ANYWHERE ELSE, OR IS THAT A PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION HERE? I THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO REAPPLY. THEY'RE JUST UP FOR RECONSIDERATION. RECONSIDERATION. AND THEN IT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO ASK THEM TO REAPPLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE'RE GOOD TO VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES SEVEN TWO. MOVES US INTO. CHAPTER TEN ORDINANCES. SECTIONS 10.05 ONLINE AVAILABILITY OF ORDINANCES. THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL PROVIDE FOR ALL ORDINANCES ADOPTED AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS CHARTER TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON AN OFFICIAL WEBSITE WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THE ORDINANCE DATE OF ADOPTION. IN ADDITION, THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL PROVIDE FOR PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED ORDINANCES TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON THE ON AN OFFICIAL WEBSITE ON OR BEFORE THE THIRD ANNIVERSARY OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS CHARTER. QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE OF WAITING 90 DAYS AND AND OR SECOND, IF THE ORDINANCE GOES INTO EFFECT PRIOR TO THE 90 DAYS, SHOULDN'T THERE BE LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAYS WITHIN 90 DAYS OR THE BEGINNING DATE OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICHEVER IS SOONER? YEAH. SO I MEAN, 90 DAYS IS A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY. SO WHAT THE CITY DOES IS WHEN WHEN ORDINANCES ARE ADOPTED, THEY PUT THEM ALL ADOPTED ORDINANCES ON IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. BUT WE USE A THIRD PARTY MUNICODE THAT ACTUALLY CODIFIES THEM. SO IF THERE'S CHANGES TO THE CODE, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BECAUSE AS AMBER CAN MAYBE STATE, IT'S QUARTERLY. BUT TO SATISFY THE 90 DAY REQUIREMENT, STAFF POST THE ORDINANCE ITSELF UP WITHIN 90 DAYS, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE CODIFIED, IT'S MADE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE WITHIN 90 DAYS. SO. SO THEN, IN RESPONSE TO MY QUESTION OR CONCERN ABOUT DATE, AN ORDINANCE WOULD NOT HAVE A START DATE, THEN THAT WOULD BE SOONER THAN THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO HAVE IT CODIFIED. OH YEAH. I MEAN, MOST ORDINANCES ARE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, IMMEDIATELY UPON PASSAGE BY COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND MAYBE THIS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. SO THIS IS AFTER IT'S ALREADY APPROVED. SO THE ORDINANCE IS APPROVED. IT'S OUT. WE NOW AS A CITY HAVE 90 DAYS TO POST IT. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. BUT MY QUESTION IS WHERE IS IT OUT? [01:00:04] BECAUSE IF IT'S APPROVED AND IT'S IMMEDIATELY ACTIONABLE, THEN WHERE WOULD SOMEONE SEE IT IF. IF YOU'RE ON THE WEBSITE. GOES INTO THE MEETING. BUT WE PUT THEM ON THE WEBSITE. SO YOU SATISFY. CURRENTLY, THE CITY IS SATISFYING THIS REQUIREMENT TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE ONLINE BEFORE LONG BEFORE THE 90 DAYS IS UP. WELL THEN WHY AREN'T WE SAYING THAT THIS IS WITHIN FIVE DAYS OR YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF IF THE 90 DAYS IS TO ALLOW FOR THE OUTSIDE AGENCY TO DO THEIR WORK, GREAT. BUT THEN I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED. AND IF THE IDEA HERE, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS, IS TO HAVE IT BE IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, THE 90 DAYS SEEMS A LITTLE LONG, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S ALREADY IMMEDIATELY BEING MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. THAT 90 DAYS IS NOT BACK. IT'S LIKE NOT TRYING. WE'RE NOT PULLING THAT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. LIKE FROM STATE LAW OR SOMETHING. NO, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. I MEAN, MOST THIS IS 90 DAYS IS COMMON. BUT I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S NEVER AN ISSUE WITH 90 DAYS. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S USUALLY TAKEN ON AGAIN AND AGAIN. IT MAY NOT GO ON IMMEDIATELY THE NEXT DAY. 90 DAYS OR YOU KNOW, BUT WE AUTOMATICALLY PUT THEM ON THE WEBSITE. YOU JUST WE ALSO HAVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE WEBSITE ON THE WEBSITE. I JUST THINK THAT WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN THE CITY RECENTLY ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, THAT IF IT IS POSSIBLE AND ALREADY BEING DONE TO POST IT, FOR INSTANCE, WITHIN 14 DAYS OR TEN WORKING DAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT IT I WONDER WHY. OR WOULD WE WANT TO CONSIDER CHANGING THE 90 DAYS TO A MUCH SHORTER TIME PERIOD SO THAT IT BECOMES AVAILABLE? SOMEBODY CAN READ IT? MUCH SOONER THAN THIS STATES, AND VERY CLOSE TO THE TIME THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY ENACTED. SO THEN WOULD YOU WOULD SOMETHING LIKE WITHIN 14 BUSINESS DAYS OR BUT WITHIN, WITHIN, WELL, WITHIN 14 BUSINESS DAYS, BUT NO LATER THAN 90 DAYS WILL THAT THEN. YEAH, I THINK SO. I THINK IN MY MIND, LISTENING TO WHAT AMBER WAS, INFORMATION AMBER IS GIVING US AND THAT AND FROM YOU GRANT THAT THERE'S NOTHING IN STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES THAT, THAT WE WOULD WANT TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE CHARTER THAT EFFECTIVELY MAKES A STATEMENT ABOUT QUICK ACCESS TO. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY, SO WE CAN WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU LIKE. I MEAN, YOU CAN. SO I MOVE THAT WE AMEND SECTION 10.05 TO READ AT THE END OF THE FIRST SENTENCE WITHIN TEN WORKING DAYS AND NO LESS THAN 90 DAYS OF THE ORDINANCES DATE OF ADOPTION. RIGHT. WE HAVE A SECOND. I WILL SECOND IT. GRANT, FOR A POINT OF CLARITY. GIVE ME. IF I'M WRONG. THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS A TIME LIMIT TO POST ORDINANCE, AND I THINK IT'S 15 OR 20 DAYS. I HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. I THINK IT'S MAINLY A FUNCTION OF LOCAL. LOCAL GOVERNANCE. RIGHT. THERE'S CERTAIN THERE ARE CERTAIN ORDINANCES THAT HAVE TO BE. BUT JUST AS A BROAD, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT JUST AS BROAD ORDINANCE, THERE'S NOT A. POSTING REQUIREMENT AFTER ADOPTION. IT'S A, IT'S A EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UPON ADOPTION, BUT. BUT I'LL CONFIRM ALL THIS WHEN WE BRING BACK THE LANGUAGE. I THINK YOU GUYS CAN GOVERN. AND RESTRICT THAT TIME FRAME IF YOU WANT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. WE'RE GOOD TO VOTE. I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M SORRY. GENERICALLY, IF WE LEAVE, IF WE GO WITH THE MOTION, DOES THAT STRIKE THE LAST TWO LINES OR THREE LINES? [01:05:02] BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING. WE HAVE EMBRACED THAT, HAVE WE? THE THE PORTION THAT'S STRICKEN OUT. YES. SO MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE. WHEN I READ IT, I DIDN'T READ IT. I READ IT WITH WHAT WAS JUST APPROVED TO NOT INCLUDE THAT. SO FROM THE PUBLIC'S PERSPECTIVE, THEY'D NEVER HEARD THE LAST LINES THAT WERE STRICKEN OUT. SO THAT'S NOT PART OF WHAT WE'RE APPROVING. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE IF WE COMBINE THEM OR SEPARATE THEM OR WHERE WE ARE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE WE'RE VOTING. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE VOTING WITH THE AMENDMENT WITH THE AMENDMENT WITH SHE SAID SHE SAID 14 WORKING DAYS, TEN WORKING DAYS. TEN. I SAID TEN, BUT NO MORE THAN 90. TEN BUT NO MORE THAN 90 IS WHAT SHE SAID. YEAH. IT HAS TO BE. YEAH. YEAH. SO I MEAN YOU TO DO [INAUDIBLE] YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE AN [INAUDIBLE] . BUT I THINK THAT THAT'S NOT ME. TO SEE IT IN FOR ADMINISTRATION. SURE. ONE MORE VOTE. I GOT YOU THIS. IT'S A BALL RIGHT THERE. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. OKAY, I'LL CONFIRM IT. IT'S NEVER. IT'S NEVER AN ISSUE BECAUSE EVERY CITY, I PUT IT UP WELL BEFORE NINE OR SOMETHING. WE HAVE TO NOTIFY THEM, BUT I'LL. I'LL CONFIRM ALL THAT. GO AHEAD AND CHANGE IT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE, THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED EIGHT-ONE. MOVING TO CHAPTER 11 ELECTIONS. FIRST SECTION OF THIS CHAPTER IS SECTION 11.04 CANDIDATES FILING FOR OFFICE AND IT READS, ANY QUALIFIED PERSON AS PRESCRIBED BY SECTION 3.02 OF THIS CHARTER MAY MAKE AN APPLICATION TO HAVE HIS HER NAME PLACED ON THE OFFICIAL BALLOT FOR THE POSITION OF MUNICIPAL ELECTED OFFICE. THE APPLICATION SHALL BE MADE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE LAWS AND SHALL STATE THE CANDIDATE AGREES TO SERVE IF QUALIFIED AND ELECTED. THIS IS THE SECTION PORTION HAS CHANGED. EACH CANDIDATE'S APPLICATION FOR PLACE ON THE BALLOT MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY ONE, A NONREFUNDABLE FILING FEE IN AN AMOUNT ESTABLISHED BY THE CITY COUNCIL VIA ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION PROVIDED THAT THE FILING FEE SHALL BE GREATER THAN OR EQUAL TO $100 OR TWO, IN LIEU OF THE PAYMENT OF A FILING FEE, A PETITION SIGNED BY NO LESS THAN 25 QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY OF, OR ONE HALF OF 1% OF THE TOTAL VOTES RECEIVED IN THE CITY BY ALL CANDIDATES FOR MAYOR IN THE MOST RECENT MAYORAL ELECTION, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. EACH CANDIDATE SHALL EXECUTE SUCH OATH AND OTHER OFFICIAL FORM OR AFFIDAVIT AS REQUIRED BY THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE. CANDIDATES FOR ELECTIVE CITY OFFICE SHALL FILE FOR OFFICE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE. THE CITY SECRETARY SHALL REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND NOTIFY THE CANDIDATE WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICATION SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CHARTER AND THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE. IF AN APPLICATION IS INSUFFICIENT, THE CITY SECRETARY SHALL RETURN IT IMMEDIATELY TO THE CANDIDATE WITH A STATEMENT OF SUCH INSUFFICIENCY. THE CANDIDATE MAY FILE A NEW APPLICATION WITHIN THE REGULAR TIME FOR FILING APPLICATIONS. THE CITY SECRETARY SHALL KEEP ON FILE ALL APPLICATIONS FOUND SUFFICIENT, AT LEAST UNTIL THE EXPIRATION OF THE TERM OF OFFICE FOR WHICH SUCH CANDIDATES FILED QUESTIONS. IF NO QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT SECTION 11.4 AS WRITTEN. I SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD TO VOTE. PASSES NINE ZERO. ALL RIGHT. MOVING TO SECTION 11.05 OFFICIAL BALLOT. SECTION 11 ZERO FIVE READS THE ORDER OF THE NAMES OF THE CANDIDATE ON THE BALLOT SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY SECRETARY, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROCEDURE SET OUT IN THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE. THE NAME OF EACH CANDIDATE SEEKING ELECTIVE OFFICE, EXCEPT THOSE WHO HAVE WITHDRAWN, DIED, OR BECOME INELIGIBLE PRIOR TO THE TIME PERMITTED FOR WITHDRAWAL, SHALL BE PRINTED ON THE OFFICIAL BALLOT IN THE NAME DESIGNATED BY THE CANDIDATE, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE SECTION THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED. IF TWO OR MORE CANDIDATES HAVE THE SAME SURNAME, THEIR RESIDENCE, THEIR RESIDENCE ADDRESS SHALL BE PRINTED WITH THEIR NAMES ON THE BALLOT. EARLY VOTING SHALL BE CONDUCTED PURSUANT TO THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE, SECTION 11-05. QUESTIONS. WOW. I WAS NOT HERE THAT NIGHT [LAUGHS]. [01:10:09] IT WAS. WHAT ELSE DOES TEXAS CODE PROVIDE FOR A SITUATION LIKE THAT BESIDES PRINTING YOUR ADDRESS? YEAH. FIRST OF ALL, SO THEIR ADDRESS IS PART OF THE FILING. SO I'VE SEEN SOME CHARTERS THAT HAVE THIS, I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE SAME SURNAME. I'M SURE THEY PROBABLY ADD ADDITIONAL INITIALS OR MIDDLE NAMES. YEAH. CAN'T MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION. I'D LIKE TO. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR RECOMMENDATION. TO INSTEAD OF HAVE THE ADDRESS, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE MIDDLE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL. THE MIDDLE INITIAL? YEAH. THE MIDDLE INITIAL. THE MIDDLE INITIAL. STILL HAVE A QUESTION? WELL, HE CAN MAKE A HE CAN MAKE A MOTION. YES. SEE IF WE GET A SECOND. AND IF WE GET A SECOND, THEN WE CAN GO BACK INTO QUESTIONS. SO SCOTT, ONE MORE TIME FOR US. I THINK I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE IT BE THE MIDDLE NAME IN ITS ENTIRETY, BECAUSE PEOPLE COULD HAVE THE EXACT SAME INITIAL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND. I SECOND THAT. ALL RIGHT. AND NOW WE'RE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. ARE WE ASSUMING WHEN WE ADD THE MIDDLE NAME THAT THE FIRST NAME HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDED? YEP. SO WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THERE ARE TWO ZELLERS AND THE BALLOT ALREADY SAYS ZELLER JULIE AND ZELLER JANE. SO THOSE ARE ALREADY TWO. THERE'S ALREADY A DISTINCTION IN THE ZELLERS BECAUSE THE JULIE AND JANE ARE DIFFERENT, CORRECT? I THINK WHAT WE'RE SOLVING FOR IS TWO J. RUTLEDGE'S OR TWO MIKE RUTLEDGE'S SHOWING UP. THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL FOR. SOME KIND OF DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN. OKAY, OKAY. YEAH, IT'S ONLY MEANT TO BE A DISTINGUISHING CHARACTER. IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE. IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE LIKE ANYTHING EVEN MORE THAN THAT. YEAH, YEAH. AS SAY, IF TWO OR MORE CANDIDATES HAVE THE SAME SUR AND FIRST NAME BECAUSE THE SAME SURNAME IMPLIES THE TO ME, IMPLIES THE SITUATION WHERE WE'VE GOT A JULIE ZELLER AND A JANE OR MARY ZELLER OR SOMETHING ELSE. WHAT? BECAUSE THE REAL. BECAUSE THOSE TWO CAN BE DISTINGUISHED. BUT THE REAL PROBLEM BECOMES TWO. JULIE ZELLER'S RIGHT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS SAYS. THIS SAYS TWO ZELLER'S. WELL, HIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO ADD A MIDDLE INITIAL. NOW, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OR REQUEST FOR HIM TO TO AMEND THE RECOMMENDED VERBIAGE. I THINK STILL WITH THE THE, JUST MY TWO CENTS. THE WAY THAT HE'S AMENDED, IT STILL SOLVES FOR THE SAME PROBLEM. BUT I DO AGREE THAT THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN INITIALLY DOESN'T REALLY SOLVE FOR IT YET. I HAVE SEEN A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A MICHAEL SMITH AND A MICHAEL SMITH SMITH S M I T H, S M Y T H [LAUGHS]. BUT YOU'RE VOTING FOR MICHAEL SMITH. WELL, THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE TEXAS ELECTION CODE. I LOOKED IT UP AND IT SAYS IF TWO OR MORE CANDIDATES FOR THE SAME OFFICE AS SIMILAR SURNAMES. THE DISTINGUISHING, THEY CAN BE DISTINGUISHED BY A TITLE NOT TO EXCEED FOUR WORDS FOLLOWING THE CANDIDATE'S NAME. AND THE DISTINGUISHING ITEMS CAN BE THE PLACE OF RESIDENCE OF FORMER OR PRESENT PROFESSION OCCUPATION OR POSITION, BUT IN REGISTERING POSITION, NOT THE TITLE THAT THEY ARE GOING FOR. SO YOU DO. SKYLER'S RECOMMENDATION DOES SPEAK TO IT, BUT WE COULD PROBABLY SAY EITHER THE MIDDLE NAME OR PROFESSION, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TWO MICHAEL SMITHS, BUT NOT SMITH OR SMYTH THEN THE PROFESSION WOULD BE ANOTHER DISTINGUISHING ITEM. SO. AND ISN'T THAT WHY SOMETIMES ON A BALLOT THEY PUT INCUMBENT? IN OTHER WORDS, I'M RUNNING FOR IT AGAIN. WELL, DON'T DO THAT HERE IN TEXAS. THINK ABOUT IT. THINK ABOUT IT LIKE LIKE THIS. MY NAME IS. WELL, MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE I'M TOTALLY AGAINST PUBLISHING ADDRESSES. MIDDLE NAME. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THIS THIS RECOMMENDATION CAME FROM. YEAH, YEAH, I THINK WE ALL KIND OF AGREE WAS WHAT DID WE HAVE IN THAT MEETING? WAS THEIR REASONING GIVEN FOR MAKING IT AN ADDRESS, I GUESS, AND NOT ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I THINK I THINK MR. CHRISTWELL MADE THE RECOMMENDATION. I WILL SAY THIS IS IT'S A VERY RARE INSTANCE THAT THIS HAPPENS. AND I THINK IF IT DOES, ABSENT THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT, WE WOULD JUST DEFER TO WHAT COLLIN COUNTY DOES. [01:15:08] YOU KNOW, BECAUSE COLLIN COUNTY RUNS ALL OF OUR ELECTIONS. SO SO THAT'S WE WOULD DEFER TO WHAT THEY DO, AND THEY WOULD PROBABLY SELECT ONE OF THOSE METHODS. BUT YEAH, I THINK. SKYLER'S RECOMMENDATION FITS WHAT CAROLYN JUST READ. SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE GOOD. IF THE CONCERN IS THE WHOLE OF THIS COMMITTEE HAS A LITTLE KIND OF A TINGE WHEN IT COMES TO POSTING ADDRESSES. YEAH, HERE'S HERE'S THE THING WITH THE RISE IN, LIKE, POLITICAL VIOLENCE AND STUFF, I'M KIND OF, LIKE, ON EDGE ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE WHILE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PUBLIC FIGURES WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE PUBLIC FIGURES, YOU KNOW, LIKE, EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE IS LIKE OUT BECAUSE LIKE, YEAH, ANOTHER THING WAS LIKE. MY NAME IS SKYLER SMITH. THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WITH THE NAME SKYLER AND SMITH. I WENT TO MIDDLE SCHOOL WITH LIKE THREE DIFFERENT SKYLER'S AND LIKE, THAT'S THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING ABOUT, LIKE, A DIFFERENT, LIKE THING THAN AN ADDRESS. SO EITHER I COULD AMEND IT TO BE OCCUPATION OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE IT BE IN LINE WITH TEXAS CODE, LIKE. EXACTLY. OR I COULD HAVE IT BE JUST THE MIDDLE NAME. SO I WILL SAY I GET NOT HAVING THE ADDRESS ON THE BALLOT, BUT WHEN YOU APPLY FOR A PUBLIC OFFICE, THE APPLICATION REQUIRES YOU TO PUT YOUR ADDRESS, WHICH IS PUBLIC INFORMATION. SO YOU'RE NOT IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE HIDING IT. YOU JUST WON'T BE ON THE BALLOT. YEAH, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T CHANGE THE FACT YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR ADDRESS ON THE BALLOT. WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THE CITY WHO ARE GETTING ELECTED, AFTER ALL. BUT MY BUT MY YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND MY MOTION TO BE LIKE OCCUPATION OR TITLE INSTEAD OF WE COULD DO. YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU'RE AMENDING YOUR MOTION TO BE OCCUPATION OR TITLE. LIKE BOTH OF THOSE TERMS? YES. TYPEKIT MORE IN LINE WITH STATE LAW, JUST SO THAT THERE WAS NO DEBATE ABOUT IT. OKAY. WITH THAT, WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THE AMENDED MOTION. I SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A SECOND. QUESTIONS? CAN YOU REGURGITATE YOUR MOTION AGAIN JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE? BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IS WE ARE GOING TO REMOVE. I MADE A MOTION TO REMOVE ADDRESS ON BALLOT, LIKE, PUBLICLY. BUT THEN WE HAVE TITLE OR OCCUPATION AS, AS WHAT WILL BE ADDED INSTEAD. MY ONLY CONCERN WITH TITLE OR OCCUPATION IS THAT NOT EVERYONE VOTING. THAT PRESUMES THAT EVERYONE VOTING KNOWS WHAT THE OCCUPATION IS OF EACH CANDIDATE. I'M. ANYTHING THAT WE PUT ON THERE PRESUMES THAT THEY KNOW THEIR CANDIDATE. YOU KNOW, YOU PUT THE MIDDLE NAME ON THERE. IT PRESUMES THAT, YOU KNOW, MY MIDDLE NAME IS MARIE. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, NONE OF IT'S PERFECT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT COMES TO MIND WITH OCCUPATION IS THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT EACH ONE OF YOU AT THIS TABLE DOES. SO IF THERE WERE TWO OF YOU ON THE BALLOT, I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO DISTINGUISH YOU. MY ANSWER TO THAT IS, AND THIS IS ONLY BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THIS ONCE BEFORE, THAT'S WHAT CAMPAIGNING SOLVES FOR, RIGHT? SO YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO DIFFERENT IF YOU WANT THEM TO KNOW YOU'RE NOT THE OTHER GUY, THEN YOU GOT TO CAMPAIGN. WELL TO ENSURE THAT. BECAUSE THE THING IS PEOPLE LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOU DO AND YOUR QUALIFICATIONS. AND BESIDES, YOU'LL BE GOING DOOR TO DOOR ANYWAY ASKING PEOPLE FOR THEIR VOTE OR YOU'LL BE DOING PUBLIC FORUMS. AND IF I SAY I'M LIKE AN ACCOUNTANT, I'M NOT. BUT IF I SAY THAT I'M AN IF I SAY THAT I'M AN ACCOUNTANT OR I DO SOMETHING WITH ADMINISTRATION, OR I WAS LIKE A MILITARY OFFICER, PEOPLE LIKE TO SEE THAT KIND OF THING. SO IF IT'S ON THE BALLOT, IT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP TO INCREASE SOMEONE'S CHANCES OF BEING ELECTED. ALSO, AS WELL AS PROVIDE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN DIFFERENT CANDIDATES BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, MY NAME IS SKYLAR SMITH. IF I WAS RUNNING FOR AN OFFICE, YOU WOULD HAVE NO IDEA WHO WAS WHO. GOOD POINT. GOOD POINT. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, GOOD TO VOTE. SORRY. ONE QUESTION. WHY CAN'T WE JUST ADOPT THAT WHICH INCLUDES WHAT YOU JUST SAID? WHAT CAROLYN READ OFF AS STATE CODE? YES, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO AMEND IT TO BE. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S ALL FOR MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR STATE CODE. OKAY, BUT I'M HEARING FROM HIM. PART OF IT IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT TO INSTEAD OF ALL OF IT, WHICH IS WHAT CAROLYN HAD STATED. WELL, THAT IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO REMOVE THE THE ADDRESS. WE'RE NOT STRIKING THE WHOLE THING. NO, WE'RE NOT STRIKING THE WHOLE THING. WE'RE TAKING OUT THE ADDRESS. THANK YOU. AND PUT IT IN. YEAH. SORRY. ALL GOOD. OH, SORRY. IS IT STILL MISSING? ONE VOTE. EVERYBODY WILL HAVE. [01:20:04] A SECOND. I'M SORRY. YEAH. CAROLYNE. SECONDED. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES, EIGHT ONE. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS CHAPTER 11. DOES IT HAVE TO BE THE SAME OR THEY CAN PICK DIFFERENT ONES? I'M SORRY. DOES IT HAVE TO BE THE SAME FOR EACH CANDIDATE, OR DO THEY GET TO SELECT WHAT THEY DISCLOSE? THE CHARTER JUST MAKES THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT CAN BE EITHER OR. CORRECT. SO WE'RE SAYING THAT I CAN PUT MARK ANDREW CHRISTWELL AND THEN MARK CHRISTWELL COACH. SO IT CAN BE TWO DIFFERENT ONES. GOTCHA. YEP. GOOD. YES. YEAH. IF THERE'S TWO MORE. YEAH. ME AND MY SON. BOTH. ONE FOR MAYOR, THEN. YEAH. IT WOULD BE KIND OF AWKWARD TO KNOW WHICH MARK YOU'RE VOTING FOR. THAT'S. THAT'S WHY THE RESIDENCY IN THE TEXAS STATE CODE WAS SO IMPORTANT TO DIFFERENTIATE WHO THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WAS. SO THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF VARIATIONS TO THE SAME AGE WHERE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAYING MAKES THE CUT OR DOESN'T MAKE THE CUT. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME VERBIAGE TO LEVEL IT OUT AS BEST. AND EVEN IF, EVEN IF AN INDIVIDUAL WAS LIKE, IF YOU HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WITH THE SAME NAME LIKE SKYLER SMITH, THE FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD WERE RUNNING, THEN YOU COULD JUST HAVE THE THE LIKE DISTINCTION OF FIRST, SECOND OR THIRD AT THE VERY END OR JUNIOR SENIOR WHATEVER. RIGHT. I THINK THE ORIGINAL POINT OF THIS EDITION, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY FROM OUR CONVERSATION, IS NOT TO TRULY DIFFERENTIATE ONE FOR THE OTHER, IT'S TO HELP ALTER FIXED VOTING. IF WE HAVE THREE CANDIDATES AND I WANT TO TAKE VOTES AWAY FROM ONE OF THEM, IT WOULD BE VERY EASY FOR ME TO LOAD THE BALLOT TO BE ABLE TO DO SO, BECAUSE IT ONLY COST ME $100 TO DO THAT. THAT'S WHY THE RESIDENCY TO ME WAS SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE IT ON THERE, VERSUS JUST PICKING A NAME BECAUSE YOUR RESIDENCY IS GOING TO BE ON THE APPLICATION, WHICH I CAN REQUEST FROM THE PUBLIC. WELL, SHE HAS TO GIVE IT TO ME FROM THE PUBLIC RECORDS ONCE I ORDER IT. YEAH, RIGHT. YEAH. SO YOU WON'T GET IT. BUT. WE FOUGHT. ALRIGHT. FOR THE SAKE OF ORDER, WE VOTED. IT'S BEEN APPROVED. LET'S. LET'S MOVE ON. CHAPTER 12 INITIATIVE, REFERENDUM AND RECALL. SECTION 12.07, POWER OF RECALL. THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY RESERVE THE POWER TO RECALL THE MAYOR OR ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE CITY COUNCIL, AND MAY EXERCISE SUCH POWERS BY FILING WITH THE CITY SECRETARY. THANKS. I HAVE TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON WHAT I'M READING. I COULDN'T YEAH, DEFINITELY KEEP UP WITH THE BIG WORDS. LET ME KNOW. SIGNED BY QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY, EQUAL IN NUMBER TO AT LEAST 400 REGISTERED VOTERS OF THE CITY OR THE REGISTERED CITY VOTERS EQUAL IN NUMBER TO AT LEAST 25% OF THE NUMBER OF THE CITY VOTERS CASTING BALLOTS IN THE MOST RECENT REGULAR CITY ELECTION, WHICHEVER IS GREATER, DEMANDING THE REMOVAL OF THE MAYOR OR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THE PETITION SHALL BE SIGNED AND VERIFIED IN THE MANNER AND WITHIN THE TIME RESTRICTIONS REQUIRED FOR AN INITIATIVE PETITION. SHALL CONTAIN A GENERAL STATEMENT OF THE GROUNDS UPON WHICH THE REMOVAL IS SOUGHT OUT. SO I'M SORRY, SOUGHT AND ONE OF THE SIGNERS OF EACH PETITION SHALL, PETITION PAPER SHALL MAKE AN AFFIDAVIT THAT THE STATEMENTS MADE THEREIN ARE TRUE. IN THE CASE OF AN OFFICIAL WHO WAS ELECTED FROM THOSE ELIGIBLE VOTERS RESIDING WITHIN A PARTICULAR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT, ONLY THOSE SIGNATURES FROM PERSONS QUALIFIED TO VOTE FOR THE OFFICIAL TARGETED BY THE RECALL AS RESIDENTS OF THE CORRESPONDING SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT ONE, WHICH IS AN AMENDMENT AT THE TIME OF THE OF THEIR MOST RECENT ELECTION, AND TWO ALSO AMENDMENT WHO REMAINS REGISTERED VOTER OF THE CITY AT THE TIME THE RECALL PETITION WAS CIRCULATED, SHALL BE COUNTED TOWARDS THE NUMBER REQUIRED TO TRIGGER A RECALL ELECTION. THIS IS ALSO AN AMENDMENT MEANING AT LEAST 400 REGISTERED VOTERS IN THE CORRESPONDING SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT, OR AT LEAST 25% OF THE NUMBER OF VOTERS FROM THE CORRESPONDING SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT CASTING BALLOTS IN THE MOST RECENT ELECTION, WHICHEVER IS GREATER, SUBJECT TO THE LIMITATION HEREIN ABOVE. QUESTIONS. YES. WHY DID WE PICK 400? I HAVE TO ASK THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, AND AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, JODY, WHY DID WE PICK THE 400? I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THAT. I WAS YOU WERE? DOES ANYBODY HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MANY VOTES? HOW MANY? WHAT'S TYPICAL FOR THE NUMBER OF VOTES CAST IN THE CITY IN ANY ELECTION? [01:25:06] BECAUSE IF 400 IS THE 25%, THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE GETTING ONLY 1600 VOTES BEING CAST. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT MANY LAST TIME. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING WHY THE 400, 400 OR 25%, WHICHEVER IS GREATER, RIGHT? IF 400 IS THE 25%, THAT PRESUMES 1600 VOTES. YEAH, RIGHT. SO 400 WOULD BE THE GREATER OF THE LAST VOTE WAS 1200. SO. 25% OF THAT WOULD BE LESS THAN 400. YOU'D REQUIRE 400. IT REQUIRES ONE. OR THE OTHER IS SAYING 400 OR 25%, WHICHEVER IS WHICHEVER IS GREATER. SO IF ONLY 500 OR ONLY 100 PEOPLE VOTED, WE ONLY NEED 25 SIGNATURES, WHICH WOULDI GET THE 400. SORRY. SO BASICALLY 17, ROUGHLY 17,000. 2024. WE ONLY HAD 1115 1152 PEOPLE. THAT. OH, RIGHT. THAT WAS I WILL SAY THIS SAYS REGULAR ELECTION. SO IT'S NOT A RUNOFF OR A SPECIAL ELECTION WHICH THOSE NUMBERS WILL GO. IT'S ALWAYS HIGHER FOR A REGULAR ELECTION, BUT I'M GUESSING 2500 RECALL ELECTION, NOT A REGULAR ELECTION. I DON'T WANT TO MISS MR., BUT THE NUMBER THAT TRIGGERS IS UP TO REGULAR ELECTION COUNT. 3000. YEAH, RANGE. AND THAT'LL PUT US WELL OVER THE 400 THEN. THAT'S LIKE BASICALLY JUST A 10 TO 50% PERFORMANCE. SO THEN YOU CAN SAY LIKE A SPECIFIC NUMBER BECAUSE IT DIFFERS. SO IT'S 15% LOCAL LOCAL. CAN WE GET YOU ON THE MIC. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION. OH GO AHEAD. BASICALLY THE TEXAS LAW, IT DOESN'T THE THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR RECALL PETITION IT SAYS VARIES BY CITY. IT'S USUALLY JUST 10 OR 50% BECAUSE IT GIVES SOME EXAMPLES LIKE DALLAS NEEDS 15%, AUSTIN 10%. AND YOU KNOW, IT JUST KIND OF VARIES. SO I GUESS IT'S JUST LIKE A RANDOM NUMBER THAT THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE DID, BUT I DON'T KNOW, I WASN'T THERE. I LOOKED AT PLANO AND PLANO HAS 30%. JASON AND THE OTHER THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS WITH WHAT HAS BEEN ADDED THAT'S IN GREEN BECAUSE IT IS REFERRING TO SOMETHING THAT WILL EVENTUALLY HAPPEN A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT. MY CONCERN. SO WILL THERE BE FOR HOW MANY REGISTERED VOTERS ARE GOING TO BE IN EACH ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS? AND THEN DOES 400 BECOME PROHIBITIVE? MEANING IF THERE'S ONLY 500 REGISTERED VOTERS IN A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT, 400 IS PROHIBITIVE IN TERMS OF REQUIRING THAT. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. IT SAYS THAT IT'S AT LEAST 400 OR AT LEAST 25%. WHICHEVER IS GREATER, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. OH YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO BE OKAY. YEAH. BAR. BUT THE 400. THEN IN THE SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT THAT HAS CALL IT 750, IT'S STILL THE 25% IS WELL BELOW 400. AND TO EXPECT 400 OUT OF A VOTING CAPACITY OF 750 IS, IN MY MIND, UNREASONABLE. IT'S A HIGH BAR. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE. I WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I'M TRYING TO BALANCE BETWEEN CURRENT STATE PRINCETON AND PRINCETON AND FUTURE STATE PRINCETON. BUT AGAIN, WE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING TO KIND OF A DISTRICT MODEL, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE DISTRICTS WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN THE DISTRICT COMMISSION WILL DETERMINE. SO THERE WILL BE FOUR DISTRICTS. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU GOT 400 FOR THE CITY AT LARGE, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE 400 POTENTIALLY FOR THE ONE OF THE FOUR DISTRICTS. SO YOU COULD I MEAN IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 400 FOR BOTH TO YOUR POINT. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT'LL BE FOUR DISTRICTS KIND OF EVENLY SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE CITY LIMITS, AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION. AND WHAT IS IT, 2030? SO WE'LL. YEAH. BUT SO, ALISON, TO KIND OF, I GUESS, MOVE, MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING. ARE YOU RECOMMENDING BY CHANCE, TAKING THE HARD NUMBER OFF AND JUST GOING STRAIGHT PERCENTAGE? I WOULD MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT FOR THE PART IN GREEN, NOT FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE ABOVE, BUT FOR THE PART THAT HAS BEEN AMENDED THAT WE I MOVE, THAT WE AMEND THE AMENDMENT SECTION OF SECTION [01:30:07] 12.07, DELETING THE AT LEAST 400 REGISTERED VOTERS AND ONLY RETAINING AT LEAST 25%. I SECOND MISS ZELLER'S MOTION. ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS? YES. SO IF WE'RE CHANGING THAT ON THE BOTTOM HALF, WHICH IS WHAT TRIGGERS THE RECALL REELECTION IN THE TOP PORTION OF THE POWER OF RECALL, THE EXACT SAME THING IS STATED THERE. 400 REGISTERED VOTERS OR EQUAL TO IN NUMBER, OR TO AT LEAST 25% OF THE NUMBER OF VOTERS CASTING BALLOTS IN THE MOST RECENT REGULAR CITY ELECTION, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. DEMANDING THE REMOVAL OF THE MAYOR OR THE OR CITY COUNCIL. SO IT SEEMS TO ME IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED IN BOTH PLACES. I WOULD AGREE. I'M GOING TO MAINTAIN MY MOTION AND WE CAN VOTE IT DOWN SIMPLY BECAUSE THE THE PART THAT RANDALL JUST READ IS CONCERNING THE CITY AS A WHOLE, AND THE PART THAT IS DOWN THERE IN GREEN IS CONCERNING A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT, WHICH WILL BE SMALLER THAN THE CITY AS A WHOLE. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER JULIE. I LOOKED AT WHAT PLANO HAS, AND PLANO HAS 150 OR 30%, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. WE HAVE 425%. AND SO I'M WONDERING IF MAYBE AND THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS TO GIVE SOME FAIRNESS TO THE PROCESS. I'M WONDERING IF MAYBE WE COULD JUST REDUCE THE 400 TO MAYBE REFLECT SIMILAR TO WHAT PLANO HAS, AND KEEP THE 25%. SHE'S MAKING A REQUEST THAT YOU AMEND, BUT YOU MAKE A DECISION AGAIN, I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT AS IT AS PROPOSED AND IT CAN BE VOTED DOWN. AND THEN WE CAN PICK IT BACK UP AND SOMEBODY CAN MAKE YOU CAN MAKE THAT MOTION. BUT I'M GOING FOR THE PART IN GREEN ONLY. AND MAYBE WE WANT TO CONSIDER THAT 400 UP THERE. BUT FOR THE PART IN GREEN ONLY ELIMINATE 400 AND LEAVE IT AT 25%. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? IF NOT, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT SOMETHING. AND I MAY BE MISSING SOMETHING HERE, BUT. OKAY. PERSON WINS AN ELECTION. THEY GOT OVER 40 OVER 50% OF THE VOTE. SO WHAT'S TO STOP JUST 25% GETTING TOGETHER AND TRY TO OVERTURN JUST REALLY FAST RESULT THAT OVER 50% JUST MANDATED ANYTHING STOPPING THAT? MY COMMENT WOULD BE NO, BUT THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONVINCE THOSE 50% PLUS PEOPLE NOT TO VOTE AGAIN. OKAY, SO JUST HAVE ANOTHER ELECTION REAL QUICK AND JUST KEEP THEM GOING. BAM BAM BAM. OKAY, SO YOU MEAN HAVING AN ELECTION OVER AND OVER AND OVER IF IF A GROUP WANTS TO REMOVE SOMEBODY, WHATEVER IT TAKES FOR THEM TO BASICALLY, WELL, I'M SURE COURT ACTION WOULD COME INVOLVED AT THAT POINT IF THEY'RE GOING TO BRING THE SAME THING UP AND CAN GET PEOPLE OVER AND OVER TO RECALL SOMEBODY, EVENTUALLY THERE'S GOING TO BE A COURT ACTION IN THERE SOMEWHERE, AND THEN A DECISION WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE. ALSO, IF I MAY PUT ON MY REALLY DIRTY POLITICAL HAT, I THINK THE REASON PLANO DID THAT AND MADE IT 30% IS SO THAT THEY COULD PREVENT RECALLS FROM HAPPENING, BASED ON SOME OF THE HISTORY OF PLANO. OKAY, I'M TAKING MY HAT OFF. YEP. SO WITH THAT, ANY OTHER, MARK? YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SO THERE WAS A MOTION? YEAH, THERE WAS A SECOND THERE A SECOND. FOR CLARITY BEFORE WE VOTE BECAUSE IT'S CLARITY AND THEN VOTE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERCENT OF CITY VOTERS, ARE WE CONSIDERING ETJ MEMBERS AS CITY? ARE THE DISTRICTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ZONED ARE GOING TO HAVE ANY ETJ MEMBERSHIP. IT'S GOING TO BE CITY? JUST ONLY CITY LIMITS. WE'RE READY TO VOTE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD TO. GOOD TO VOTE. VOTE. MOTION IS FOUR FOR, FOUR AGAINST ONE ABSTAIN. MOTION FAILS. ALRIGHT. WE ARE STILL. YOU GUYS KNOW THAT WE'RE STILL ON THIS THEN? YEP. AND THE REASON WHY I ABSTAINED? BECAUSE I WANTED TO TAKE A A WIDER ATTEMPT TO CHANGE IT IN GENERAL, [01:35:02] BECAUSE I SEE WHERE, WHERE SHE WAS GOING WITH IT. I THINK THE PROBLEM THAT WE BOTH HAVE WITH THE TOP INITIAL PORTION OR THE DISTRICT PORTION IS THE NUMBER. SO I GUESS MY MOTION AND THIS SITUATION WOULD BE REMOVING THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS AND SETTING BOTH CATEGORIES FOR THE CITY AND MAYOR AND THE DISTRICTS AT 25% PERIOD. THERE'S A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND. I SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. WHAT WHAT ARE YOU. SO IN BOTH PLACES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL, FIRST OF ALL, IN BOTH PLACES, YES. OKAY. AND THE 400 REGISTERED VOTERS. AND THE REASON WHY I DIDN'T I READ THIS WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE. IS THIS JUST 400 REGISTERED VOTERS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY VOTED. THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, IT MEANS 400 REGISTERED VOTERS, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY PARTICIPATED IN THE VOTE. OH, OKAY. SORRY I READ THAT WRONG THE FIRST TIME. SO. BECAUSE BECAUSE MY IDEA IS TO REMOVE THE 400 AND JUST KEEP IT TO THE 25% OF THE NUMBER OF CITY VOTERS AND FOR ALL. AND HOW THAT WORKS IS BECAUSE WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE MAYOR. RIGHT. BUT THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE COUNCIL, IF IT'S ONLY TEN PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR THAT DISTRICT, RIGHT, YOU GOT TO FIND THE 25% OF THAT TEAM. SO FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU'RE REFERRING TO 25% OF CITY VOTERS, 25. 25% OF THE NUMBER OF CITY VOTERS CASTING BALLOTS IN THE MOST RECENT ELECTION. ALL RIGHT. AND AND FOR THAT OFFICE. YEAH, RIGHT. FOR THAT OFFICE. AND THAT'S CITYWIDE, NOT DISTRICT WIDE. WELL, HOW IT READS HERE IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RECALLING THE MAYOR OR ANY OTHER MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL. SO FOR COUNCIL IT'LL BE A DISTRICT. SO WE NEED 25% OF VOTERS FROM THAT DISTRICT. IF IT'S THE MAYOR, IT'S 25% OF THE TOTAL CITY VOTES FOR MAYOR. THAT WAS THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER ABOUT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHY YOU SECOND IT. AND AND AS A POINT OF FUTURE CLARIFICATION, WHEN WE COME TO THE, TO THE POINT IN TIME WHERE WE HAVE DISTRICTS, IT MAY BE THE COMMITTEE THAT GOES THROUGH THE CHARTER AT THAT TIME MAY WANT TO REMOVE THAT LANGUAGE UP AT THE TOP. THAT'S NOT IN GREEN. THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, BECAUSE UNLESS THERE ARE AT LARGE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALL THE CITY COUNCIL THERE WILL BE AT LARGE. OKAY. NEVER MIND. GOOD TO VOTE. GOOD. I SECOND WE HAVE A. OH, I THOUGHT WE ALREADY GOT. I'M SORRY. FIRST SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. YEP. SO WE'RE GOOD TO VOTE. ONE MORE. MOTION PASSES NINE ZERO. TIME IS 8:13. I'M THINKING TO TAKE A PAUSE HERE. SECTION 12.10 IS WHERE WE PICK BACK UP. SO I DO THINK WE HAVE SOME CONVERSATION AROUND CONSIDERING OUR MEETING DATES, SINCE WE'VE KIND OF JUMPED BACK INTO THE SWING OF THINGS. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND END US AT WE JUST FINISHED 1207. WE'LL PICK BACK UP AT OUR NEXT MEETING AT 12.10, WHICH IS RESULTS OF A RECALL ELECTION. AND I WOULD LIKE TO I'D LIKE A MOTION OR ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR US TO TABLE THE CURRENT ITEM THAT WE'RE ON, WHICH IS H.2 2025-206 UNTIL THE NEXT NEXT MEETING. SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THAT. I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE H.2 2025 206. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE GOT SEVEN IN THE, IN THE POT. EIGHT. ONE MORE. ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES NINE ZERO. SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM. [H.3 2025-207 Consider selecting the dates and times of future Committee meetings; and take appropriate action.] ITEM H.3 2025-207. CONSIDER SELECTING THE DATES AND TIMES OF A FUTURE COMMITTEE MEETING AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. ALL RIGHT. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW. ANYONE HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR ANYTHING TO CONSIDER? I WILL TELL YOU PERSONALLY, I'M GOOD WITH THE DATE AND TIME THAT WE ARE WITH THE THURSDAYS AT 6:30 IS WORKING FOR ME. SO DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CONFLICT OR. I SPOKE TO GRANT AND HE SAID THERE WAS SOME DATES WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE. [01:40:07] MAYBE. WELL, I THINK MY COMMENT WAS IF, IF. YOU'VE GOT. OKAY. IT'S YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT. IF THE THE CITY WAS TRYING TO MAKE THE MAY ELECTION, WHICH DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, APPEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE THAT WAY, THERE'S A DEADLINE TO ORDER THE ELECTION OF FEBRUARY 13TH, SO THERE'S ONLY. SO YOU KNOW, I THINK I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE MAYOR, BUT I'VE TALKED TO THE MAYOR ABOUT IT. IT'S MORE OF TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS YOU NEED. DO IT RIGHT AND AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET IT WHENEVER YOU GUYS ARE DONE. GO TO COUNCIL. BUT BUT TO YOUR POINT, THAT IS KIND OF A DATE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE A MONTH AWAY FROM THAT DEADLINE, SO. AND COUNCIL NEEDS A CHANCE TO THERE'S QUITE A FEW AMENDMENTS. SO COUNCIL NEED A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT AND ORDER THE ELECTION FOR SURE IF YOU'RE TARGETING THE MAY ELECTION, BUT IT MAY NOT HAPPEN. SO BEYOND FINISHING WHAT? WE DIDN'T FINISH TODAY, AND WE HAVE TO WE DID MAKE A COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT I KNOW HAVE TO BE BROUGHT BACK. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE TO DO THAT WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL TIME? WHAT ELSE IS IS NEXT IN THE PROCESS? SO THE CHARGE FROM COUNCIL MONTHS AGO WAS FOR THE COMMITTEE TO PREPARE A FINAL WRITTEN REPORT, WHICH WILL LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THIS PACKET OF AMENDMENTS. I'LL WORK WITH THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR TO FORMALIZE THAT AND SEND IT TO COUNCIL. BUT THAT'D BE THE LAST THING IS FOR FOR YOU GUYS TO BLESS THE FINAL REPORT, WHICH WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE APPROVED AMENDMENTS. AND THEN GO TO COUNCIL, AND THEN COUNCIL WILL REVIEW THE AMENDMENTS AND THEN ORDER THE ELECTION AND CREATE THE BALLOT LANGUAGE. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TAKE SOME TIME. I THINK COUNCIL NEEDS AT LEAST PROBABLY PROBABLY TWO MEETINGS. SO WE'RE KIND OF COMING UP TO THAT DEADLINE. BUT YEAH I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, TAKE AS MUCH TIME AS YOU NEED AND MAKE SURE IT'S DONE, DONE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. WHAT WOULD IT BE A PROBLEM TO MEET EVERY THURSDAY FOR THE NEXT TWO THREE WEEKS? NOT FOR ME, BUT THAT'S UP TO THE COMMITTEE. WOULD THAT MAKE THE DEADLINE FOR THE MARCH ELECTION? MAY. SO YOU SAID FEBRUARY 13TH. I'M SORRY. FEBRUARY. THE DEADLINE. SO WE HAVE ONE COUNCIL REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING NOW, WHICH WOULD FEBRUARY THE 9TH. THE NINTH. SO WE'D HAVE TO HAVE IT COMPLETED AND BLESSED BY THIS COMMITTEE BEFORE THE NINTH. THAT'S TIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. SO, YEAH. SO WE ESSENTIALLY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE WE'D HAVE TO SQUEEZE IT IN BECAUSE TODAY'S THE 15TH. YEAH. AND WE. AND JUST SO EVERYONE HAS AN UNDERSTANDING I'M OPEN TO COMING RIGHT BACK NEXT WEEK IF EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT WITH IT. BUT WE ARE AT THE END OF 12 AND THERE'S 15. RIGHT. SO WE KIND OF I THINK THAT THERE'S A CHANCE THAT COULD HAPPEN. WE COULD, WE COULD I MEAN, WE COULD PROBABLY I FEEL LIKE WE COULD GET IT DONE IN, IN A MEETING LIKE, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH, MUCH MORE TO DO. I MEAN, WE JUST FLEW THROUGH PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING HERE TONIGHT. WE'D HAVE NO PROBLEM. AND I HONESTLY, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE RUSHING IF WE WERE TO, LIKE, IF WE HAD TO DO A MEETING NEXT WEEK AND I WANT TO MY ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SET THE COUNCIL UP FOR SUCCESS. LIKE IF WE CAN GET IT TO THEM IN TIME FOR THEM TO TAKE ACTION, I'D LIKE TO DO SO. I WOULD LIKE TO RAISE A MOTION TO SET UP OUR NEXT MEETING ON JANUARY THE 22ND, AT 6:30 IN THIS OFFICE OF THIS ROOM, IF AVAILABLE, I SECOND. ONE MORE TIME. I SECOND. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS SKYLER'S SECOND. PASSES NINE ZERO. OKAY. THAT BEING SAID SO WE HAVE THAT MEETING SET UP ON THAT DATE. IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ACTIONS THAT MAY POTENTIALLY COME FROM THIS, THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PICK AN ADDITIONAL DAY FROM THERE. BUT THAT COVERS FOR THE YEAH, I HATE TO I KNOW WE JUST VOTED ON IT, BUT WITH WITH THE THE HOLIDAY ON THE 19TH, WE'D HAVE TO POST THE AGENDA TODAY TO MAKE THE 22ND. SO WE CAN'T DO THE 22ND. AND YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO PUT ANY OVERTIME. HEY, GO TALK TO THE STATE ON THE NEW POSTING LAWS. THAT'S GOT YOU HOLIDAY AS ONE OF THOSE THINGS. SO YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO POST IT TODAY. WE HAVE NOT POSTED, YOU KNOW, COULD WE FRIDAY'S NOT GOOD FOR YOU. FRIDAY'S NOT GOOD FOR EVERYONE. I DON'T WANT TO PUSH YOU OUT, CAROLYN, BUT IF IT MAKES IT WORSE FOR THE COMMITTEE. [01:45:06] WAIT, ARE YOU GOING TO BE THERE ON FRIDAY? OR. EMAIL. AND WE HAVE THE AD HOC MEETING ON THE 29TH. [INAUDIBLE] . YEAH, FOR THE IF WE NEED IT. YEAH, IF WE FINISH THE 22ND. IF WE FINISH THE 22ND, IT'LL STILL COME TO THEM. THE COUNCIL THE SAME DAY. BECAUSE IF WE TOTAL THE 22ND THE COUNTS AND FINISH THE COUNT, WE POST THE RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THE 20. WE COULDN'T DO THAT ON THE 26TH ANYWAY. SO IT'S ONLY THE NINTH COUNCIL THAT WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT SO WE CAN FINISH ON THE 27TH. THAT WILL GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME TO HAVE IT POSTED AND PRESENT IT TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. ANY ISSUES? SO MY MOTION IS TO, MY MOTION IS TO CHANGE OUR NEXT DATE TO THE 27TH OF JANUARY, WHICH IS A TUESDAY. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR EVERYBODY AT 6:30, BUT THAT HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET IT DONE AND TO COUNCIL IN TIME FOR THE ELECTION. I'LL SECOND THAT. I HAVE A CONFLICT, BUT I'M I'M BEING DIFFICULT SO I CAN I CAN TALK TO THE CHAIRMAN BEFORE AND GET EVERYTHING SQUARED AWAY. YOU ALL NEED TO MEET. DON'T WAIT ON ME. OKAY. I HAVE ANOTHER CLIENT. WELL, WE HAVE A FIRST. WE HAVE A SECOND. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET A VOTE ON THAT. NO. SECOND. THAT WAS ME. YEAH. 27TH. YES. MISSING ONE. THERE WE GO. YEAH. SO PASSES SIX TWO. I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT IF ONLY SIX PEOPLE COME, WE WON'T HAVE A QUORUM, RIGHT? AND WE RUN. WE RUN INTO THAT EVERY MEETING. SO WE'LL. AMBER WILL SEND OUT HER COMMUNICATION, AND WE'LL JUST TRY TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUORUM IF WE CAN. IF NOT THIS IS THE KIND OF WAY, IT IS. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF. YEAH. IF NOT, THEN WE'LL BE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ANOTHER DATE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT THAT COVERS US FOR THAT ITEM. ITEM H.3 2025-207. AND OUR FAVORITE ITEM IS UP NEXT, ITEM I ADJOURNMENT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO STAY HERE YOU CAN STAY HERE UNTIL PRINCETON PD KICK YOU OUT. NOT. YOU'RE ADJOURNED. YOU CAN GO HOME. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.