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GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:39 P.M..
[A. CALL TO ORDER]
GO AHEAD AND START WITH OUR ROLL CALL, MRS ELLIS.HERE. AND. MR.. AL QARAGHULI. HERE AND MRS.. GORIA.
HERE, MR.. HESLEP. HERE. OH, SORRY. HERE. AND MISS GHOLSTON.
HERE AND MYSELF, MR. SHIFLET HERE. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM FOR THIS EVENING.
IF YOU COULD ALL JOIN ME IN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALRIGHT. PUBLIC APPEARANCE THIS EVENING. THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON ITEMS NOT LISTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AGENDA. SPEAKERS SHOULD COMPLETE A PUBLIC MEETING APPEARANCE CARD AND SUBMIT IT TO STAFF PRIOR TO SPEAKING.
EACH SPEAKER IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES UNLESS OTHERWISE PERMITTED BY THE CHAIR.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE COMMISSION CANNOT DISCUSS OR TAKE ACTION ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA, BUT MAY PROVIDE FACTUAL INFORMATION OR RECITE EXISTING POLICY.
SPEAKERS SHOULD ADDRESS THE COMMISSION DIRECTLY AND MAINTAIN COURTESY AND RESPECT TO ENSURE AN ORDERLY MEETING. INDIVIDUALS ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION SHALL ADDRESS THE COMMISSION DIRECTLY, NOT CITY STAFF OR OTHERS.
BE COURTEOUS, RESPECTFUL AND CORDIAL AND REFRAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL, DEMEANING, INSULTING, THREATENING OR DISPARAGING REMARKS IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN DECORUM AND SUPPORT THE EFFICIENT AND ORDERLY CONDUCT OF THE MEETING.
ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC APPEARANCE THIS EVENING? ALL RIGHT.
[E. CONSENT AGENDA ]
WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS THE COMMISSIONER. SO REQUESTS IN WHICH THE EVENT WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED IN ITS NORMAL SEQUENCE ON THE AGENDA. FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING, WE HAVE OUR MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING ON FEBRUARY 17TH, THE REPLAT AND A PRELIMINARY PLAT. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE MEETING MINUTES, THE REPLAT AND THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.I'VE GOT A MOTION. CAN I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND.
CAN WE OPEN THAT UP FOR A VOTE, PLEASE? IS I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO FIGURE IT OUT. AND THAT WILL PASS SIX TO NOTHING.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO BE FORWARD, SO I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN.
OKAY, SO NOW I'LL PASS. FIVE FOR PASSING AND ONE ABSTAIN.
ALL RIGHT. AND MOVING ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING.
[F. PUBLIC HEARINGS ]
WE HAVE F.1 A REZONING REQUEST, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, AND CONSIDER SENDING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING A REQUEST TO REZONE PROPERTY AT 1503 LONG NECK ROAD, CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE OF LAND FROM SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE SF-E TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 46 PD 46 AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.WE HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION HERE FOR YOU TO TALK THROUGH THE CASE.
SO THE CASE HERE IS, DO, I HAVE A? SO SUBJECT PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS ALMOST AT THE CORNER SOUTH WEST CORNER OF MONTE CARLO AND LONG NECK ROAD. IT'S A ONE ACRE PROPERTY. AND WE DID SEND NOTICES.
STATE LAW REQUIRES 200FT AROUND TO SEND MAIL NOTICES AND NEWSPAPER NOTICE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, BUT WE SENT IT BEFORE 'P&Z ALSO, JUST TO BE SURE.
SUBJECT PROPERTY. CURRENT ZONING IS A SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE THAT IS RURAL HOUSING, BASICALLY.
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NOW YOU CAN SEE TO THE NORTH OF IT IT IS PD 46 WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL PD.IN YOUR PACKETS, WE DID HAVE WHAT THE PD DOES AND I HAVE IT IN THE PRESENTATION.
THAT PROPERTY IS 0.5 ACRES AND THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS ONE ACRE.
ONE THING ABOUT OUR PD SPECIAL ZONING IS THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT SHOULD BE TWO ACRES.
YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF HAVING A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS TO DO A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S SO SPECIAL THAT YOUR REGULAR ZONING DISTRICTS WOULDN'T ALLOW. AND HOWEVER, IT DOES SAY THAT IF THE USE IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMP PLAN CONSIDERS, THEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER CREATING A PD.
IF IT'S GOING TO FULFILL THAT KIND OF PURPOSE.
SO GOING FORWARD HERE, YOU CAN SEE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE.
IT'S CALLED COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD. IN THE CURRENT LAND USE MAP, COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD IS HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD RELATED COMMERCIAL. AND SO SEE THIS PD 46 HAS TAKEN THAT C-2 ZONING, WHICH IS HEAVY COMMERCIAL AND CUT OUT ALL THE USES ONLY KEPT THE ONES THAT ARE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD RELATED. AND SO THAT MEETS OUR COMP PLAN FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
WE'VE SEEN DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT THIS INTERSECTION AGAIN IN THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS COMMERCIAL AND A WHOLE LOT BIGGER THAN THAT. AND THAT WAS IT'S NOT FINALIZED.
IT'S NOT APPROVED. YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW IT.
IT'S JUST EXTRA INFORMATION THAT THAT WILL BE WHAT IS ON THE COMP PLAN.
THAT IS WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT FOR THIS AREA OR RATHER THE OVERALL CITY RESIDENTS, THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED WANT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THAT'S THE CASE.
SO ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR NOTICE IS MAYBE I'LL DO IT WHEN WE GET FORWARD, BUT THE REQUEST IS TO ZONE IT WITH THESE USES THAT YOU CAN.
YOU CAN SEE IN FRONT OF YOU THERE. I'M SO SORRY THEY'RE SO SMALL WRITTEN, BUT YOU CAN SEE.
SEE AUTO ORIENTED AUTO REPAIR CAR WASH. THESE KIND OF USES ARE EXCLUDED FROM THIS PD. SO WE TOOK THE C-2 USES AND THEY'VE EXCLUDED THEM FROM HERE.
SO OVERALL EFFECT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE USES THAT GENERATE HEAVY TRAFFIC, ODORS, LATE NIGHT ACTIVITY.
THOSE KIND OF USES HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE LIST OF C2 COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR PD 46 TIP IS RIGHT NOW. SO NOW YOU SEE THE CONCEPT PLAN.
ONE OF THE THINGS OUR CODE ALSO REQUIRES IN US PD DISTRICT IS FOR A CONCEPT PLAN AND A DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO BE SUBMITTED NOW. THOSE WOULD BE APPROVED AS A PART OF THE PD DISTRICT BY P&Z AND COUNCIL.
A CONCEPT PLAN REALLY CAN SET FORTH WHAT TYPE AND NATURE OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS AND P&Z AND COUNCIL CAN ASK FOR MORE DETAILED INFORMATION.
SO RIGHT NOW WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ZONING, WE JUST LOOKED AT THE USE AND TO SEE DOES THAT FIT IN WITH ALL THE OTHER USES AROUND? DOES THAT FIT IN WITH THE COMP PLAN? DOES THAT FIT IN WITH THE LONG TERM? WHAT THE CITY WANTS IN THIS INTERSECTION? WHAT WE WOULD DO AS STAFF IS NEXT STEP WOULD BE A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
AND WE WOULD THEN ASK FOR TOPOGRAPHY, DRAINAGE, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO LAY OUT THE PROPERTY.
WHERE'S THE ACCESS COMING FROM? ALL OF THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT DURING PLANNING PROCESS.
WE WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THEM TO ESCROW THE FUNDS FOR TURNING LONG NECK INTO A FOUR LANE DIVIDED,
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WHICH IS WHAT IT IS ON OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN RIGHT NOW.BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THEM JUST INCREASE THEIR SIDE YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WE'LL JUST ASK THEM TO PUT THE MONEY IN ESCROW.
SO IF THE AREA DEVELOPS AND TRAFFIC DEMANDS IT, CITY CAN USE THAT FUND TO DO THAT ROAD, BUT ALL OF THIS WILL BE REQUIRED DURING PLANNING THE IMPACT FEES, EVERYTHING, AS WELL AS MAKING SURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED CORRECTLY AND IS NOT GOING TO HARM OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND.
YOU ALL GET TO SEE. DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION? SO FOR CONCEPT PLAN WHAT THEY WANTED, THIS SEEMED LIKE IT SERVED THE PURPOSE OF BOTH THE CONCEPT PLAN AND A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR NOW ON HOW THEY PLAN TO LAY IT OUT, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
SO THOSE ARE TWO THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND. WHAT A PD SHOULD BE FOR AND HOW YOU CAN, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO ASK, YOU CAN ASK ME, YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT. THEY'RE HERE.
ONE THING, OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS WHEN YOU APPROVE THIS PD, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THE WHOLE LIST OF USES THAT ARE IN C-2 THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY THIS WILL BE ALLOWED. SO I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT STATE FARM, BUT LAND REZONING GOES WITH THE LAND. SO IF THEY EVER WERE TO NOT BE HERE, ANOTHER USE THAT IS IN THAT LIST WILL COME IN AND WE WILL HAVE TO GIVE THEM A PERMIT.
SO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SAY NO TO A USE THAT IS ON THAT LIST.
SO I WOULD URGE THAT YOU ALL BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE USES THAT CAN COME IN UNDER PD 46.
AND SO HERE'S A QUICK STAFF ANALYSIS. AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT SURROUNDING ZONING AND LAND USE.
AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S GOING TO BE A MCDONALD'S AND A GAS STATION.
AND WE YOU JUST APPROVED ANOTHER PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR TWO LOTS RIGHT NORTH OF MCDONALDS FOR SHOPS OF MONTICELLO COMING IN THERE.
THIS NORTH LITTLE PORTION IS ALREADY COMMERCIAL.
AND SO LOOKING. OH, AND WHILE THIS IS IN FLOODPLAIN, YOU CAN'T DEVELOP HERE AT ALL ON THIS CORNER.
HOWEVER IT IS ALSO ZONED COMMERCIAL AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO DO COMMERCE IN LOMAS AND TAKE THE LAND OUT. IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED AT ALL. AND I DID TELL THE DEVELOPERS THAT AS A PLANNER, I WOULD NEVER, EVER SIGN OFF ON THAT. BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THEY CAN DO IT.
THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THEN THREE CORNERS ARE ALREADY COMMERCIALLY ZONED.
AT THIS POINT WE, WE JUST THINK THAT THAT'S THE BEST USE.
WE WILL BE LOOKING AT WATER, SEWER ROADS AS AS A PART OF THE SITE PLAN AND THE COMMERCIAL SO, YOU CAN ZONE IT BUT IF ALL OF THOSE THINGS DON'T MEET UP, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT.
SO. OH, AND THEN TRAFFIC AGAIN, ACCESS CONCERNS ENVIRONMENTAL, THEY WILL HAVE TO DO FLOOD STUDY DOWNSTREAM STUDY. THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A TIA, AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT.
WE DID CONSIDER PUBLIC OPPOSITION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TECHNICALLY BEST PRACTICES IN PLANNING AND WHAT WE WANT FOR THE FUTURE. THIS ZONING WORKS. SO.
P&Z RECOMMENDATION, THIS CASE HAD BEEN HEARD BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON DECEMBER 15TH.
IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, AND YOU HAD VOTED THREE ONE IN FAVOR OF THIS ZONING CASE.
THE ZONING CASE AT THAT TIME WENT TO CITY COUNCIL AND THERE WAS A ISSUE WITH THE APPLICATION.
SO THE APPLICANT WITHDREW THAT CASE AND RESUBMITTED IT.
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IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME CASE. JUST THE SIGNATURES ARE CORRECT THIS TIME.AND SO TODAY WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT YOU HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THEN ONE OF THE THREE OPTIONS IS RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS PRESENTED OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT YOU CAN ADD OR RECOMMEND DENIAL. SO ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. YES. SO CAN YOU GO BACK A FEW SLIDES TO WHAT'S NOT PERMITTED? OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. SO WITHIN THE, I WAS READING IN THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S GOING TO BE FOR PROFESSIONAL USE. WHAT DO THEY MEAN? BECAUSE LIKE IT SAYS, DENTAL OFFICE ISN'T PERMITTED.
SO DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT? AND MAYBE THE DEVELOPER HAS TO COME IN AND GIVE A LITTLE.
BUT WHAT ARE THEY ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THESE OFFICES BEING? I WILL LET THE DEVELOPER ANSWER THAT. THANK YOU.
HI. WE ARE PRIMARILY LOOKING AT USING THE SPACE AS A STATE FARM OFFICE SPACE.
IT'S AN ALREADY LOCAL AND ACTIVE AGENT HERE IN TOWN.
THANK YOU. SHAI, CAN WE REQUEST THE TOPOGRAPHY? YES. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD REQUEST FROM THEM FOR THAT? AND YOU MENTIONED ABOUT LONG NECK BEING WIDENED.
HOW'S THAT GOING TO IMPACT THE HOMES THAT ARE ALONG THERE AS WELL AS HOMES THAT ARE NOT WITHIN THE SETBACKS? SO IN MY EXPERIENCE, HOW THESE THINGS WORK IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO EXPAND LONG NECK UNTIL PEOPLE ALONG THAT ROAD HAVE SOLD THEIR PROPERTY AND WANT MORE COMMERCIAL THERE.
FOR JUST THIS MUCH COMMERCIAL, IT DOESN'T WARRANT LONG NECK TO BE WIDENED, SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ALL THE PEOPLE ALONG THAT ROAD FOR WHATEVER STRETCH. IT'S GOING TO BE WIDENED TO AGREE AND BE ON BOARD WITH IT.
AFTER THAT WE HAVE THE BYPASS LOOP THAT WILL COME.
SO THIS CORNER OR THIS AREA IS NOT GOING TO GET THAT BOOM OF COMMERCIAL THAT WILL BRING ENOUGH TRAFFIC TO EXPAND THAT LONG NECK. THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT? MAYBE I'LL BE PROVEN WRONG, BUT THAT'S JUST EXPERIENCE.
SPEAKING ON HOW WE'VE SEEN FRISCO, SALINA, PROSPER, ALL OF THESE AREAS DEVELOP.
THAT'S HOW THEY DEVELOP AS COMMERCIAL COMES LATER AND IT COMES INTO THE CITY MUCH LATER THAN ONCE.
THE OUTSIDE HAS BEEN FILLED. OKAY. AND THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
CAN WE TAKE BACK THE ZONING IF THIS DOESN'T GO THROUGH? SO THE OR DOESN'T FIT. SORRY. SO ONCE YOU APPROVE IT, IF IT DOESN'T FEEL GOOD.
WELL, SO THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST IT OR.
YES, YOU ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO CHANGE THE ZONING ON ANY PROPERTY IN THE CITY ANYTIME YOU WANT.
HOWEVER, WE WILL CAUTION YOU THAT DOWNZONING IT, WHICH IS WHAT IT WOULD BE.
OKAY. AND WE RECEIVED THIS LETTER FROM THE HOMEOWNER OR NOT? SURE. THEY SAY THEY'RE A NEIGHBOR OF THE PROPERTY.
DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DETAIL REGARDING WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IN REGARDS TO IT BEING MAJOR FLOOD ZONE? AND ARE THERE PLANS TO ENSURE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE ALREADY APPROACHED AND BEEN HERE THAT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH FLOODING AND IT'S HONESTLY AND TRUTHFULLY TIME THAT WE TAKE SERIOUSLY LOOKS
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AT THIS AND WE SHOULDN'T BE, WE NEED TO TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK IN REGARDS TO HOW OUR HOME RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED WITH FLOODING AS WELL.NOW, THAT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT.
WE HAVE LITERALLY IT'S LIKE YOU CAN SAY IT'S NEXT TO THE FLOODPLAIN.
SO WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER FLOOD STUDIES THAT THE DEVELOPMENTS ABOVE HAVE DONE.
MATCH IT TO THEIR DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT. WE'LL HAVE OUR ENGINEERS WORKING ON IT.
SO YES, PRELIMINARY PLAT OR IF THEY ALREADY ARE PLOTTED THEN WE'LL GET AT THE SITE PLAN.
WE WE WILL BE MAKING SURE THAT THEY MEET ALL OUR ORDINANCES.
OKAY. AND ONE MORE QUESTION. I'M SORRY, BUT THE MULTIFAMILY LOTS THAT ARE ZONED IN THAT AREA ALONG NOT LONG NECK. AND I KNOW THE WIDENING IS, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY COMING.
BUT THESE MULTIFAMILY HAVE ALREADY BEEN ZONED.
I KNOW THEY'RE NOT BUILT YET, BUT I JUST WANT TO.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ACROSS LONG NECK? ALONG LONG NECK? YES. A PD 37. YES. YES. SO. THEY WILL COME IF THEY COME UP RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAD LOST THEIR ENTITLEMENTS FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT AND SO THEY HAD TO RESUBMIT.
THEY HAVE WITHDRAWN THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT BUT THEY DO HAVE THE ZONING.
SO ANYBODY WHO BUYS THE LAND WILL HAVE MF-2 ZONING AND WHATEVER THAT ZONING IN PD-37 ALLOWS.
AGAIN. WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO A TIA, THAT THEY'RE NOT.
IF THE LONG NECK IS NOT IMPROVED BY THEN. BY THE TIME IT'S BUILT, WE WERE ALREADY ASKING FOR IT TO BE AN EXIT FOR THE RESIDENTS ONLY, AND THAT CARS ARE NOT COMING IN AND GOING FROM THERE.
IT WOULD BE A FIRE, SECONDARY FOR FIRE. AND SO WE'LL TALK THROUGH WITH THE APPLICANT TO MITIGATE THROWING TOO MUCH TRAFFIC ON A STREET THAT'S NOT ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE IT.
SO THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS WE KIND OF LOOK AT, DISCUSS, MAKE SURE IN THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE AND OUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETS EVERY WEDNESDAY, THEY'RE MADE UP OF THE PUBLIC WORKS, THE INSPECTORS, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, FIRE MARSHAL, OUR ENGINEERS AND PLANNERS. AND THEN PARKS, CHASE WILL BE THERE TOO.
SO WE HAVE ALWAYS WE SIX MEET AND THE PARKS DIRECTOR COMES IN WHENEVER THERE'S A TRAIL INVOLVED OR AN OPEN SPACE INVOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT. THEN WE BRING WE MAKE SURE THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS A SAY IN IT.
OKAY, SO I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. FIRST OFF, AND I'M NOT ASKING THIS QUESTION, I'M A BANKER, OKAY? BUT I'M NOT ASKING THIS QUESTION FOR MY PERSONAL BENEFIT.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW, DO YOU HAVE YOUR FUNDING SOURCES LINED UP WITH THE BANK? OKAY. OKAY, GOOD. SECONDLY, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IS LONG NECK, IS THE THE DEVELOPER GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EXPANDING ALL OF LONG NECK OR JUST THE PORTION IN FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING? SO EACH PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PORTION OF LONG NECK NEXT TO THEIR, ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTY. SO THAT'S ABOUT 200, 200FT.
300FT MAYBE. PROBABLY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO AND WE DON'T HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY YET AND WE DON'T HAVE A DRAINAGE STUDY BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE FLOODPLAIN. CORRECT. SO WE DON'T HAVE ONE BECAUSE ITS ZONING.
I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.
I, I KNOW YOU'RE IN A CHALLENGING POSITION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE GUY WHO NORMALLY STANDS THERE HAS LEFT, BUT YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND I THINK WE ALL DO. BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS A BANKER, I'VE DEALT WITH FEMA.
LAMAR DIDN'T COME EASY PEASY. IT DOESN'T. IT'S NORMALLY A YEAR PROCESS.
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OKAY. NUMBER TWO, IF WE'RE ONLY EXPANDING IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.SO THEN HOW DO YOU EXPAND INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY WHEN THEY HAVEN'T SOLD YET? ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE EMINENT DOMAIN? SO THAT'S WHY WE WON'T DO IT.
OKAY, SO HERE'S MY THOUGHT AND WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET, BUT UNTIL I SEE THE TRAFFIC STUDIES, UNTIL I SEE THE FLOOD MITIGATION, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD THROUGH THE SHORT TIME I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS FLOODING. DRAINAGE IS A MAJOR ISSUE. THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN.
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE NEEDED.
WE HAVE NO CLUE WHAT BUSINESSES ARE GOING IN THERE.
SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UNTIL I SEE TRAFFIC STUDY, UNTIL I SEE THE DRAINAGE PLAN AND THE MITIGATION FOR THAT, AND THEN REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR LONG NECK AND WHEN I'M OUT.
AND THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE. THE CODE SAYS YOU CAN ASK FOR ALL THIS INFORMATION, BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS WASTE COUNCIL'S TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR THE SAME THING. THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDIES.
THEY'RE GOING TO ASK FOR ALL THIS. AND HOW CAN THEY MAKE A RATIONAL DECISION UNLESS THEY HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT OF THEM? WELL, I'M NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. I'M APPOINTED.
I GET IT. BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A ZONING CHANGE AND IT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTFUL.
AND I'M NOT TOTALLY OPPOSED TO IT. BUT UNTIL I SEE MORE INFORMATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M OUT. ALL I CAN SAY IS WE WILL BE ASKING FOR ALL OF THAT AT THE NEXT STAGE.
AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION.
I NOTICED OR I RECALL THAT YOU THERE WERE BUSINESSES THAT COULD NOT BE THERE, BUT WHAT BUSINESSES CAN BE THERE? YOU WOULD ASK ME THAT? I HAVE IT PULLED UP. SO.
I'M SORRY. OUR ZONING CODE USE CHART SECTION 82-27 HAS A LIST OF TON OF USES. AND THE GREEN SAYS WHAT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
AND S SAYS WHAT'S ALLOWED BY SUP, AND THEN IF IT'S BLANK IT MEANS IT'S NOT ALLOWED.
SO I'M JUST GOING UP TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE CAN BE ALLOWED HERE.
AND TEMPORARY ACCESSORY HOUSING SHELTER. THOSE ARE WITH AN SUP.
BOTH OF THEM ARE ALLOWED BY AN SUP. NO OTHER USE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT AS A RESIDENTIAL.
ADULT DAYCARE IS ALLOWED BY SUP, ASSEMBLY HALL AND ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
CEMETERY MAUSOLEUM IS ALLOWED WITH SUP, BUT IT'S BEEN CUT OUT OF HERE.
I BELIEVE. NO MORTUARY HAS BEEN. BUT SO THAT'S SUP CHILDCARE.
FOSTER FAMILY HOME IS SPECIAL USE, FOSTER HOMES.
NOW. CHILDCARE, LICENSED CHILD CARE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
YES. AND THEN COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
COMMUNITY CENTER. PUBLIC OR PRIVATE. ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
FARMERS MARKETS ALLOWED WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
AND THEN FIRE STATION. FRATERNITY ORGANIZATIONS, LODGE OR CIVIC CLUB AND GREENHOUSE.
HOMEBUILDER MARKETING CENTER IS NOT ALLOWED. OH.
HOSPITALS ALLOWED BY RIGHT. INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY IS SUP.
KENNEL IS SUP. LIBRARY IS BY RIGHT. LIVESTOCK FEEDLOT IS NOT ALLOWED.
LONG TERM CARE FACILITY IS BY. RIGHT. AND WHAT HAVE THEY EXCLUDED?
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MODEL HOME IS NOT ALLOWED. MORTUARY. FUNERAL PARLOR IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.BUT THAT'S EXCLUDED THROUGH THE PD. MUSEUM ART GALLERIES ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
NURSING HOME SUP. PERSONAL CARE HOME IS NOT ALLOWED.
PRISON JAIL IS ALLOWED BY SUP. REHABILITATION CARE INSTITUTION BY SUP.
SO I MEAN, I COULD I MEAN, THAT'S PLENTY. YOU DON'T NEED TO.
OKAY, GOOD. BECAUSE IT GOES ON AND ON AND ON.
YEAH. BUT YOU'VE SEEN IT'S KIND OF A POTPOURRI OF USES.
AND I, I, AS SOON AS OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS DONE, WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THIS BECAUSE FRANKLY, IF YOU ASK ME WHY THESE USES WERE SELECTED, I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE WAS OF NOT HAVING A COFFEE SHOP OR A NAIL SALON IN SOMETHING THAT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE AREA. SO NOT REALLY VERY SURE HOW OUR USES HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, BUT WE'LL TRY TO MAKE MORE SENSE OF IT. THANK YOU.
A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. SORRY. FOR THE DEVELOPER.
IS ONE ARE YOU PREPARED FOR THE COST THAT IT WILL BE FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE ROAD PLUS FIRE HYDRANTS, WHETHER IT'S 1 OR 2 AND WHAT THAT COST CAN BE BECAUSE I KNOW HYDRANTS ARE LIKE UP INTO? THERE'S ALSO A HYDRANT ACROSS THE STREET ON THE NORTH SIDE RIGHT THERE AS WELL.
YES. BUT WOULD WE, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT HAVE TO LOOK AT FOR YOUR SIDE OF THE STREET AS WELL? YEAH, POTENTIALLY. SO YOU WOULD BE PREPARED FOR THAT.
OKAY. AND NOW SORRY, THAT WAS ALL SHAI.
THE LEGAL TIMELINE TO HOLD THE MONEY IN ESCROW.
THERE'S A LIMIT THAT WE CAN HOLD IT BEFORE WE HAVE TO RETURN IT.
MAYBE THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. ARE YOU ASKING IF THERE IS A LIMIT? YES. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH ONE, BUT SO WE'VE USUALLY WHAT I'VE COME ACROSS IS TEN YEARS, AND IT'S USUALLY A POLICY THAT A CITY MAKES THAT SAYS, WE WILL HOLD ESCROW TILL FOR HOWEVER MANY YEARS AND AND THEN WE WILL RETURN IT. CITIES USUALLY BASE THAT ON WHERE THEY ARE IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
YEAH. AND JUST TO GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPER FOR A SECOND, THE REASON FOR MY CONCERN ABOUT THE FIRE HYDRANT, I'M BIG ON FIRE SAFETY, BUT WE JUST WENT THROUGH THAT WITH ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH FIRE HYDRANT CHALLENGES AND DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU HAVE ANY OF THEM. ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU. SO SHAI. WHAT DID YOU SAY OUR OPTIONS WERE FOR TODAY? YOU CAN APPROVE THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED. APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH CONDITIONS OR DENY THE REQUEST.
OKAY. SO COULD WE APPROVE THE REQUEST BASED ON REQUESTING THE INFORMATION LIKE THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE FLOOD STUDY, TRAFFIC STUDY. AND IF YOU APPROVED IT BASED ON THAT, YOU COULD.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL OR COME BACK TO YOU? I'D LIKE TO SEE IT COME BACK TO US. YEAH, YOU CAN DO THAT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO? GRANT. YES. THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS CAN DO.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS, IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION, YOU CAN CERTAINLY ASK FOR MORE BEFORE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OR TO SHAI'S POINT, YOU CAN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT INFORMATION BE PROVIDED TO COUNCIL EITHER OR.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME.
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EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO MITIGATE THAT. AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FLOOD ZONE MAP THAT THEY HAD UP THERE, ABOUT ONE EIGHTH OF THIS ONE ACRE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE LONGEST EXTENDED FLOOD ZONE.SO I BELIEVE THAT'S THE 300 YEAR FEMA FLOOD ZONE.
THANK YOU. I GUESS WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS IF WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, THEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL, CORRECT? YES, SIR. NO, FRANK JUST SAID WE COULD APPROVE IT.
THE INFORMATION WOULD COME BACK TO US. YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION THAT SAYS SUBJECT TO BRINGING IT BACK TO US OR TAKING IT TO COUNCIL. BUT I WOULD HOLD IT RIGHT? I'VE, YOU TELL HIM. SO MY RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU GUYS WANT THAT INFORMATION TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU, YOU COULD YOU COULD TABLE THIS, YOU COULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONTINUE IT AND TABLE IT AND MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT MORE INFORMATION COME BACK BEFORE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. BECAUSE ONCE YOU GUYS MAKE THAT FORMAL REPORT RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, THEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL. AND THEN YEAH, OR YOU CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONAL APPROVAL THAT THEY PROVIDE THE INFORMATION TO COUNCIL.
THERE'S, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AVAILABLE.
I WOULD WANT TO SEE THE INFORMATION COME BACK TO US.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT TO COUNCIL AT THIS POINT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY.
SURE. GO AHEAD. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION THAT MIGHT BE FOR SOMEONE ELSE, BUT SO IF THE IF THE FLOOD ZONE AND ALL THAT HAS TO BE DONE NOW, CONDITIONALLY, I GUESS SO. AND IT FAILS. SO THEN EVERYTHING.
WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL OF THIS? IT'S JUST WELL THAT YOU GET TO SAY WHAT HAPPENS TO IT.
OKAY. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO TABLE IT AND HAVE ALL THAT BROUGHT BACK THE INFORMATION TO YOU, THEN YOU COULD MAKE A DECISION ON, YES, WE'RE SATISFIED.
THEY WILL, THIS CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF SO YOU CAN APPROVE OR YOU CAN SAY THE INFORMATION SHOWS THAT IT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED AS THE CONCEPT PLAN STATES. SO WE DENY IT.
THAT WOULD BE ON YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY MORE QUESTIONS? AND IF YOU DO APPROVE IT, AND THEN WE DO THE STUDIES LATER DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND IT ALL FAILS, THEN THEY WILL NOT BE GIVEN A PERMIT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
SO THEN THE PROPERTY WILL HAVE TO STAY TILL SOMEBODY COMES IN THAT CAN DEVELOP A USE THAT'S IN THAT CHART TOO AND THEN LUCKILY THE WAY THE PD IS WRITTEN IS IT'S C-2 WITH THESE USES REMOVED.
SO IF WE CHANGE C-2 USES, THEN WE CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE NICER TOO.
OTHERWISE WE'LL WAIT FOR IT TO GET DEVELOPED.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:18.
KEVIN HISS. SORRY, I AM TOO SHORT. SO A COUPLE OF Y'ALL MIGHT NEED TO SHARE THOSE.
ANYWAY, KEVIN HISS GOOD TO BE HERE AGAIN. GRANT.
THERE'S ONE PROPERTY BETWEEN ME AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
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QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT I SAW SOME ISSUES WITH, WITH DRAINAGE THAT WOULD DIRECTLY AFFECT MY PROPERTY.AND I CAME AND I'M A GEOSCIENTIST. I'VE GOT MY MASTER'S DEGREE IN GEOSCIENCE AND WHICH INCLUDES HYDROLOGY AND SO I HAVE A BASELINE KNOWLEDGE OF THIS TYPE OF STUFF.
AND SO I JOINED THE COMMISSION REALLY, SO THAT SOMEBODY COULD BE BACK THERE THAT THAT UNDERSTOOD.
WHENEVER SOMEBODY CAME WITH SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, SOMEBODY HAD SOME SORT OF BASELINE KNOWLEDGE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT JUST LIKE LOOKING BLANK. IF YOU DON'T, YOU CAN BE TOLD THESE THINGS.
COMMISSIONER HESLEP I DID WANT TO CORRECT ONE THING YOU SAID DIRECTOR ROOS WAS BROUGHT ON BECAUSE SHE IS AN EXPERT AND CRAIG WAS INITIALLY DEMOTED AS SOON AS SHE CAME ON.
SHE'S AMAZING. SHE. I THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT HAS GIVEN ME SOME BETTER SOME MORE TRUST IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS HERE IN PRINCETON, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE SHE HAS COME ON AND I'VE SEEN IN A VERY, VERY, VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, A LOT OF CHANGES HAPPEN.
THERE'S SO MUCH THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BY THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT, BY COUNCIL. BY THE CITY MANAGER. THEY NEED MORE PEOPLE IN THERE.
WE NEED INSPECTORS. I CANNOT TRUST THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS YET.
I CAN'T SIT HERE AND JUST LET THINGS HAPPEN AND TRUST THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO WORK OUT FOR ME.
SO THE, IT WAS NOTED THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DRAINAGE STUDY BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE ZONING PHASE.
NOW THAT'S JUST A PROCESS ISSUE. THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED WITH THE PROCESSES.
NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE THAT'S TOTALLY STANDARD EVERYWHERE.
FOR INSTANCE, IN MCKINNEY. IF YOU WANT TO COME TO THE CITY, MCKINNEY WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE A LOT MORE REQUIREMENTS. FOR INSTANCE, THAT THEY, THEY WILL REQUIRE A LOT OF THOSE ASSESSMENTS UPFRONT AND BIGGER DEVELOPERS TYPICALLY DO THAT ANYWAY. WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ARE DEALING WITH HERE IS SOMEBODY WHO'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHO'S BEEN RENTING A PROPERTY, THEY'RE NOT A DEVELOPER.
THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPER THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING WITH. AND MATTER OF FACT, THE PERSON THAT YOU'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH IS, YOU KNOW, HE'S A REAL ESTATE GUY. HE'S NOT A DEVELOPER HIMSELF, BUT SO THEY, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS STUFF.
THEY ARE AWARE THAT THERE'S FLOOD ZONES IN THE AREA, BUT THEY'RE WHAT THEY KNOW IS THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO COME AND PURCHASE THE PD 46, WHICH IS JUST TO THE NORTH OF 0.55 ACRES.
THAT THIS WILL EXTEND FURTHER SOUTHWARD. THAT PROPERTY WHICH WE PASSED ALLOWED TO BECOME THE SAME THING, ZONING FROM SF-E TO A COMMERCIAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT JUST ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, A LITTLE UNDER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. THEY CAN'T SELL THAT PROPERTY.
HE'S ACTUALLY, I TALKED TO HIM AND HE'S ACTUALLY CONSIDERING GOING BACK TO SFE.
WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT SUPPORT THAT.
HE'S NOT GRANDFATHERED IN ANYMORE. NOW, THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS GRANDFATHERED IN, BUT THAT PROPERTY WILL NOT GO BACK TO IT WOULD TAKE IT WOULD TAKE A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN ORDER TO ALLOW THAT PROPERTY TO GO BACK TO SFE.
SO THE QUESTION WAS ASKED BY COMMISSIONER, WHICH IS A REALLY GREAT QUESTION.
THEY ARE STUCK AS COMMERCIAL. YOU GUYS HAVE DECIDED WHAT THE LAND USE IS GOING TO BE.
AT A MINIMUM, YOU'VE, YOU'VE GREATLY REDUCED THE LAND USE.
SO AS, AS DIRECTOR ROOS MENTIONED, GOING DOWNGRADING THE ZONING IS A LOT MORE DIFFICULT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'LL MENTION IS LIKE, EVEN IF EVERYBODY'S SOLD THAT LIKE, HEY, THE FLOOD ZONE IS NOT A BIG ISSUE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO DO A FLOOD STUDY ANYWAY.
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SO WHY NOT DO THE FLOOD STUDY? WHY NOT DO THE DRAINAGE STUDY IF THEY'RE THAT CONVINCED THAT IT'S EVERYTHING'S GOING TO WORK OUT? DO THAT FIRST AND THEN COME BACK AND GET THE ZONING.IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THEM AT ALL. THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THEM, IF THERE IS, IF THEIR INTENTION IS TO BUY THE PROPERTY, REZONE IT, FLIP IT AND SELL IT, WHICH AGAIN, PD 46.
NO, HE PUT IT UP FOR SALE IMMEDIATELY. IT'S BEEN A FOR SALE SIGN THERE EVER SINCE THEN.
ENGINEERS HAVE COME AND LOOKED AT IT AND SAID THIS WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHY HE WANTS TO GO BACK TO SF AND HE'S STUCK.
SO KEEP ALL OF THIS IN MIND. AND THAT AND THIS PROPERTY MAY HAVE BIGGER CHALLENGES TO FACE THAT BECAUSE IT HAD BECAUSE THAT ONE AT LEAST FACES TWO DIFFERENT FRONTAGE ROADS. THAT ONE HAS A LOT MORE ABILITY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S IN A TOUGH SPOT.
THESE ARE ALL TOUGH SPOTS, WHICH WE'LL GO BACK IN, WHICH I CAN GO INTO IN A SECOND.
SO THE MOST SENSE THAT THIS MAKES TO ME IS A BUY AND FLIP, WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY, AGAIN, THAT THIS DEVELOPER THAT THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE HARMED BY TRYING TO DO THE ENGINEERING UP FRONT AND THEN THE ZONING LAST.
THEY ONLY GET HARMED IF THEIR INTENTION IS TO NOT BUILD, TO REZONE.
FLIP IT, SELL IT TO WHOEVER ELSE. AND REMEMBER, IF THAT HAPPENS NOW, I CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE, BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS IF THAT HAPPENS AS WAS AS WAS MENTIONED, YOU GUYS CANNOT PREDICT WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT THERE.
YOU GUYS ARE DECIDING LAND USE. YOU'RE NOT DECIDING, YOU'RE NOT THE EDC ATTRACTING A BUSINESS.
IT DOESN'T MATTER. YOU GUYS ARE DECIDING LAND USE.
YOU'RE PAST YOUR THREE MINUTES. SORRY. YOU'RE PAST YOUR THREE MINUTES.
OKAY. DO YOU MIND IF I GET IF WE'RE IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC INCIDENT, LET'S TALK ABOUT ABOUT THIS ISSUE HERE AND NOT THE WHAT IFS OR THE COULD BE'S OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE KNOW THAT IF WE VOTE THIS IN NOW AND THAT BUSINESS DOES NOT STAY, THEN IT COULD BE ANYTHING. WE DON'T DECIDE WHAT BUSINESS IS COMING THERE. OKAY. WE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A FLOOD ZONE AREA FOR AN EIGHTH OF THE PROPERTY.
AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD IDEA AS TO HOW MUCH OF IT IS GOING TO FLOOD ZONE, WHAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED AS FAR AS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE FOR FOR THIS PROPERTY AND FOR THIS AREA? PRIOR TO US MAKING, YOU KNOW, THE DECISION MOVING FORWARD, RIGHT? IF YOU, IF WE'RE GOING TO COVER THIS PACKET THAT YOU GAVE US, IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS, WE CAN, BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE GOING? WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S PREVIOUS.
SURE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO MOVING ON.
THE THE FLOOD ZONE, IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT, WELL, LET'S GO.
SINCE SINCE I'VE TAKEN A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR TIME, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO TO PAGE FOUR.
IT'S ACTUALLY A, A BARRIER THAT HOLDS THAT FLOODPLAIN BACK.
FURTHERMORE, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES, WHICH IS ILLEGAL IF WE'RE NOT DOING SOME BIG PROJECT TO ENSURE THAT THE FLOODPLAIN DOES NOT AFFECT NEGATIVELY IMPACT PROPERTIES. MOVING ON TO PAGE FIVE.
YOU CAN ASSUME THAT IF IT'S EVER CORRECTLY ASSESSED, IF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES, IF THE FLOODPLAIN ISSUES IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, IF THE THE TOPOGRAPHY IS EVER ACTUALLY REASSESSED TO SEE WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE, IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH WORSE THAN IT IS NOW, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF WHITE WING TRAILS JUST TO THE NORTH, BUT ALSO TO THE EAST, WHICH I WILL GO.
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OH, ACTUALLY THAT IS ON THE PAGE 11. SO IF YOU GO TO PAGE 11 THE THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING IS THERE WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT ARROW STARTS.SO ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTHEAST ACROSS THE CORNER ON THE OTHER OPPOSITE END OF THE QUADRANT BEHIND WHERE THE MCDONALD'S AND EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE BUILT. THAT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE, IT DRAINS THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS PROPERTY.
AND THEN KEEP IN MIND THAT THE CITY OF PRINCETON DOES NOT ALLOW LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE.
INSTEAD OF THAT, THEY DUMP IT BACK BEHIND. AND I'VE GOT VIDEOS OF THIS.
IT'S INSANE HOW MUCH WATER IS BEING DUMPED BACK BEHIND ON THAT MULTIFAMILY PROPERTY.
AND FROM THERE, ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE THE HOME IS ON THAT PROPERTY, AFTER ABOUT AN INCH OF RAIN, IT'S ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF DEEP. I MEAN, STANDING WATER, IT'LL BE ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF DEEP THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE MY PROPERTY IS, WHICH IS THE ONLY PLACE FOR WATER TO ACTUALLY GO DOWN TOWARDS THE CREEK THERE.
SO I'M TAKING ON ALL OF THAT WATER FROM THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT.
AND THEN ALSO SOUTH OF THERE, WHICH IS NOT MAPPED ON HERE, COMES DOWN TOWARDS ME AS WELL.
FURTHERMORE, IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 12, SO THE HIGH POWER LINE THAT GOES TO THE EAST OF TURKEY CREEK, NORTH SOUTH, WHEN THAT WAS PUT IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS 2022 WHEN THAT WAS PUT IN.
THEY ALSO, THE CITY ALSO PUT IN A SEWER SYSTEM.
THEM. NOW YOU CAN SEE THE CUT OF TREES IF YOU LOOK AT IT ON GOOGLE EARTH.
AND I'VE GOT A PHOTO HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE CUT OF TREES. WELL, THAT CUT OF TREES THAT'S SUPPOSED TO ALL BE FLOODPLAIN THOUGH, FROM LONG NECK ROAD ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE TURKEY CREEK IS.
THEY BUILT A ROAD UP. SO THAT ROAD NOW IS A CONTAINER THAT STOPS THE FLOODPLAIN ALSO WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN, WHERE THE WATER COMES FROM, ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING IS DUMPING WATER ONTO THE MULTIFAMILY, WHICH WASHES DOWN TOWARDS MY HOME, WHICH IS JUST A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BEING BLOCKED OFF BY THAT ROAD. IT HAS NOWHERE TO GO. IT CAN'T HIT TURKEY CREEK.
IT HAS TO FLOOD OVER THAT ROAD IN ORDER TO GET TO TURKEY CREEK.
SO. MR. HESS, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A FLOOD ZONE AREA AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO LOOK INTO, RIGHT? SO I, WE, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE COVERED THIS A LOT.
OKAY. WAY PAST OUR THREE MINUTES, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A FLOOD AREA AND YOU'RE CONCERNED FOR THE FLOOD AREA, WHICH IS WHY WE WANT TO DO THE INVESTIGATION AND LOOK INTO THE. I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE OF MY PROPERTY, SIR. I UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND YOU MADE YOUR POINT TO THE FLOODING. OKAY.
OKAY. WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THE AREA AROUND YOUR HOME AND IT'S YOUR HOME ITSELF.
ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT JUST ME, IT'S ALSO THE CITY ENGINEERS.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. HESS.
ARE YOU SAYING I CAN'T SPEAK ANYMORE? WE'RE WELL PAST OUR THREE MINUTES.
YES. OKAY. WELL YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
WE'RE. WE'RE CONCERNED A LOT MORE THAN JUST THE FLOODPLAIN.
ALSO, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT EMINENT DOMAIN. WE CANNOT TRUST THE CITY BECAUSE.
THANK YOU. MR. HESS THERE IS NO WAY. MR.. THERE IS NO WAY TO WIDEN THAT ROAD WITHOUT EMINENT DOMAIN.
WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. HE'S HAD QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO SPEAK.
[INAUDIBLE] SO THANK YOU. SURE, SURE.
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AND I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:34. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS FOR RIGHT NOW PENDING A TRAFFIC STUDY.QUICK THING. IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND ALL TO COME BACK TO YOU.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DATE SPECIFIC TO COME BACK.
SO THE APPLICANT IS READY IF YOU WANT TO TABLE IT AND HAVE THEM COME BACK TO P&Z WITH STUDIES.
SO YOU COULD DO APRIL 20TH, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AGAIN AND THEN KEEP IT OPEN. YES. YOU REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN THAT CAN BE PART OF THE MOTION. MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TILL DATE CERTAIN MOTION TO TABLE.
WITH THE FOLLOWING TO BRING BACK THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION, AND THEN ALSO STATE A DATE CERTAIN WHICH I SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY BELIEVE THAT APRIL 20TH SHOULD GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME TO COMPILE THAT INFORMATION.
SO I NEED TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW SO WE CAN MAKE THAT TABLE, THE TABLE MOTION, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THEN I WILL GO AHEAD AND REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:36.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'D LIKE TO TABLE ITEM F1.
F1 REZONING REQUEST TO APRIL 20TH TO GIVE THEM TIME TO COME BACK WITH A TRAFFIC STUDY, A FLOOD STUDY AND THE TOPOGRAPHY. OH I SECOND.
SO I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR A VOTE, PLEASE. AND THAT WILL PASS SIX NOTHING.
WE WILL LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL THE APRIL 20TH MEETING.
MOVING ON TO INFORMATION. OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE APRIL THE 6TH, 2026.
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IS THERE ANY REQUEST FOR ITEMS BE PLACED ON THE FUTURE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AGENDAS? I THINK SHAI, WE HAD TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MAYBE DOING A LITTLE TRAINING SO MAYBE WE COULD SET ASIDE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AGENDA IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR THE SIXTH, BUT IF WE HAVE LIKE 20, 30 MINUTES, MAYBE WE COULD DO A LITTLE TRAINING ON.SO MAY I ASK THAT WE DO IT ON THE 20TH? BECAUSE I AM GOING TO BE OUT OF TOWN ON THE SIXTH, SO I WAS HOPING THAT I COULD HAVE SOMEONE ELSE DO THE MEETING IF WE NEED IT, BUT FINGERS CROSSED WE DON'T HAVE A CASE RIGHT NOW.
SO I WAS HOPING WE COULD NOT HAVE A MEETING. ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT IF NEEDED, I CAN. I CAN DEFINITELY JOIN IN OVER TEAMS OR SOMETHING.
I CAN WAIT. THANK YOU THOUGH. THANKS. BUT WE WILL BE BRINGING IN ORIENTATION PACKAGE.
THE CITY SECRETARY IS ALSO PUTTING SOME MATERIALS TOGETHER AND THEN WE'LL ADD THE PLANNING SIDE OF IT TO, TO THE PACKAGE AND DO A PRESENTATION FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
WE THOUGHT IT'S A GOOD TIME WITH NEW MEMBERS HERE.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? NOPE. ALL RIGHT. 7:38. WE ARE ADJOURNED. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.