[ A. CALL TO ORDER]
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SO GOOD EVENING. IT. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:41.
FOR OUR PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING ON MONDAY, JULY THE 6TH.
AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO A ROLL CALL. MAXINE ELLIS? YEP, HERE. JANICE GORIA? HERE. THOMAS HEASLEP? CRYSTAL GHOLSTON? HERE. RYAN SHIFLET IS ABSENT.
AND BAKR AL QARAGHULI IS ALSO ABSENT. SO WITH THAT, IF WE COULD STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC APPEARANCE.
THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS SET ASIDE FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON ANY ITEM OF BUSINESS THAT'S NOT FORMALLY SCHEDULED ON THE AGENDA AS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
SPEAKERS ARE ALLOWED UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS UNABLE TO RESPOND OR DISCUSS ANY ISSUES THAT ARE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS PORTION THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, OTHER THAN TO MAKE STATEMENTS OF SPECIFIC FACTUAL INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO A SPEAKER'S INQUIRY, OR TO RECITE EXISTING POLICY IN RESPONSE TO THE INQUIRY.
BE COURTEOUS, RESPECTFUL AND CORDIAL AND REFRAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL, DEMEANING, INSULTING, THREATENING AND OR DISPARAGING REMARKS AS TO MAINTAIN DECORUM AND SUPPORT THE EFFICIENT AND ORDERLY FLOW OF THE MEETING. WITH THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC SPEAKING, AND WE'LL MOVE TO THE
[E. CONSENT AGENDA ]
CONSENT AGENDA. E. E.1 2026-004 THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALL CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. AGENDA ITEMS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION. THERE WILL BE NO SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS UNLESS A COMMISSIONER, SO REQUESTS IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND CONSIDERED IN ITS NORMAL SEQUENCE OF THE AGENDA. SO WE HAVE ONE ITEM AGAINST E.1 2026-004.CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING MINUTES AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION FROM THE JUNE 1ST, 2026 REGULAR PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JUNE 1ST, 2026.
OH, WE COULDN'T HEAR YOU. COULDN'T HEAR ME. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JUNE 1ST, 2026. AND MOTION BY JAN. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND.
SECOND BY CRYSTAL. AND IF WE COULD ALL VOTE, PLEASE.
MISSING ONE VOTE. ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO. EVERYBODY VOTED FOR NOTHING.
[G. REGULAR AGENDA ]
ITEM G.12026-007. DISCUSSION OF DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE NEXT STEPS PRESENTED BY SHAI. THANK YOU.GOOD EVENING, MADAM VICE CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
SHAI ROOS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR. THIS IS AN AGENDA ITEM.
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Y'ALL WERE SENT THE WHOLE PLAN ON THE 10TH OF JUNE, I BELIEVE.ALSO, WE WILL BE DOING A TOWN HALL MEETING ON JULY 11TH THIS SATURDAY.
AND ON JULY 20TH, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD WHERE ALL PEOPLE CAN COME AND SPEAK AND GIVE US THEIR THOUGHTS. AND THEN ON AUGUST 10TH, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING WITH CITY COUNCIL.
IN BETWEEN THAT IF COUNCIL WANT. ALSO ON THE WEBSITE IT IS.
THERE IS A COMMENT SHEET FOR PEOPLE TO SEND US THEIR COMMENTS.
WE DID HAND OUT PAPERS WITH A QR CODE TO TAKE PEOPLE TO IT AT THE FREEDOM AND FIREWORKS EVENT ON JUNE 27TH. SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET A LOT OF INPUT FROM PEOPLE ON THIS PLAN.
WE WILL HAVE THE CONSULTANT DO A PRESENTATION AT THE TOWN HALL, WHICH WILL BE 11 A.M.
TO 1 P.M. IN THIS COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR PEOPLE.
I THINK WE'RE DOING SOCIAL MEDIA BLAST AS WELL.
WE PUT IT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED IN THE NEWSPAPER, SO WE SHOULD.
LAST THURSDAY? LAST THURSDAY'S NEWSPAPER. SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET MORE INPUT.
WE ARE GOING TO WE'RE JUST PUTTING THIS ON YOUR AGENDA IN CASE YOU ALL HAD ANY QUESTIONS IN BETWEEN.
IF WE CAN EXPLAIN IT OR IF THE COMMUNITY HAD QUESTIONS AND HAD COME OUT HERE.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT STAFF IS HERE.
WE'LL ANSWER QUESTIONS. THIS PLAN IS BASED ON PUBLIC INPUT.
GOT ALL THE INPUT. I DID GET A CHANCE TO READ IT ALL AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT MATCHES PRETTY CLOSELY.
IT'S NOT EXACT WORD TO WORD. ONE THING I WILL TELL EVERYONE I HAD SAID IT IN MY EMAIL.
ALSO, YOU WILL SEE THAT OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT STAFF REALLY IS INTO BECAUSE THAT'S OUR JOB HAS A LOT OF STEPS AND YOU WILL FIND THERE ARE MANY REPETITIVE ACTIONS IN THERE.
THE REASON IS THAT'S JUST HOW TYPICAL COMP PLANS ARE WRITTEN.
AND IT HELPS TO FOR PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT WAS IMPORTANT.
SO IF ONE THING IS SPREAD THROUGH ALL THE CHAPTERS, IF ONE RECOMMENDATION, ONE STRATEGY, THEN STAFF KNOWS THAT THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT STEP STRATEGY. IF AN ACTION STEP PRETTY MUCH SAYS THE SAME THING, BUT HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT WAYS, THAT TELLS US THAT GOES TO THE PRIORITY NUMBER ONE.
SO WHAT WE WILL BE DOING ONCE COUNCIL ADOPTS A FINAL VERSION OF THIS PLAN, WE WILL TAKE THE ACTION STEPS AND CREATE A WORK PLAN SO THAT WE CAN PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE AND HAVE A PERFORMANCE TABLE GOING ON WHAT WE HAVE ACHIEVED.
WHICH ACTION STEPS HAVE BEEN ACHIEVED, WILL COME TO YOU ALL AND LET YOU KNOW SO THAT YOUR ANNUAL REPORT THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SEND COUNCIL, WE WILL HAVE SOME FACTS AND DATA TO SHOW THEM ON THE WORK THAT WAS DONE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. SO THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO BRING IT ALL DOWN TO BITE SIZE THINGS. THE ONE THING I WOULD ASK YOU ALL TO PAY ATTENTION IS TO THE TOP TEN.
IN THE IMPLEMENTATION CHAPTER THERE'S LOTS AND LOTS OF ACTION STEPS.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 124, IT STARTS ON, I THINK 122.
SO PAGE 122 ONWARDS. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THERE'S TEN MAIN ACTIONS THAT THEY TALK ABOUT, AND THAT IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO KNOW IS IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU ALL.
IF YOU WANT ANY EDITS, ANY CHANGES, THIS IS THE TIME TO TELL US.
SAME FOR US, OUR COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS, PLEASE LET THEM KNOW.
THIS IS THE TIME TO SAY WE DON'T LIKE THIS. WE LIKE THIS.
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MOVE THIS, CHANGE THIS, REMOVE THIS, ADD THIS, WHATEVER PEOPLE WANT.SO THAT'S THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT. UNLESS, I'M HOPING THAT TO LET THE CONSULTING GO THROUGH THE DETAILED PRESENTATION ON THE 20TH, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL DO IT TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I WAS TRYING TO GET TO PAGE 122 SORRY.
AT THE COMPREHENSIVE MEETINGS, THERE WAS A LOT OF DRAWINGS, A LOT OF PAPER WITH DOTS AND DRAWINGS. DO WE HAVE THE DETAIL AVAILABLE OF ALL OF THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS DONE BY THE PUBLIC TO SEE AS WELL? YES, AND WE'VE ASKED THEM TO SEND US ALL THE PICTURES BECAUSE WE WERE ALSO ASKED SOME IMAGES IN HERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY GOT IT FROM, WHICH MEETING.
SO THEY'RE SENDING US THE WHOLE PACKAGE OF IMAGES, WHICH WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT IT EITHER ON WEBSITE OR ON THE SHAREPOINT FOR YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK AT. BUT YES, THE CONSULTANTS DO HAVE ALL THAT DATA.
THEY'VE ASSURED ME THEY DO. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET.
I'VE ASKED FOR IT. THERE WAS PAPERS ACROSS ALL THE WALLS, AND THEY TAKE PHOTOS AND STICKY NOTES.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO. AND ALSO YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE APPENDIX C.
IF ANYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT ALL WAS TALKED ABOUT AT THESE MEETINGS, APPENDIX C IS DETAILED PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT INFORMATION. SO THAT SHOULD HAVE MORE. AND I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ONE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT WAS INVOLVED IN ALL THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT PART, THE DETAIL PART TO DO SOME COMPARISONS. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT APPENDIX C, IT SHOULD HAVE A LOT MORE DETAIL IN THERE.
OKAY. FROM THERE. AND THEN MY ONE OTHER QUESTION IS.
AND I KNOW YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR LAST YEAR'S COMP PLAN.
BUT DO WE KNOW WITH THE COMP PLAN WHAT WAS COMPLETED, NOT COMPLETED, VERSUS HERE WE GO WITH A NEW COMP PLAN AND A NEW LIST OF ACTION ITEMS? YOU KNOW, IS THIS GOING TO, I WANT TO SEE, I GUESS I'M ASKING WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO ALIGN IN REGARDS TO PRIOR COMP PLANS? WHERE DID WE END UP WITH? DID WE ACTUALLY MEET ANY OF THOSE ACTION ITEMS? AND AGAIN, I KNOW YOU WEREN'T HERE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR PEOPLE PRIOR TO YOU LEFT ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT THAT YOU COULD LOOK AT. SO WE COULD JUST, I GUESS I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE COMP PLAN, ALL THE WORK THAT WENT INTO IT BE JUST PRESENTATION. THESE ARE OUR ITEMS AND, YOU KNOW.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ON ALL THE WORK DONE IN THE PAST COMP PLAN.
USUALLY WHEN AND I, I WILL GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK, BUT USUALLY WHEN A NEW COMP PLAN STARTED, THEY DO A REVIEW OF THE OLD COMP PLAN TO SAY WHERE IT MATCHED WHERE IT DID.
I WILL ALSO BE HONEST THAT OUR SCOPE WASN'T THE MOST ROBUST, NEITHER WAS THE DOLLAR VALUE.
SO I'M NOT SURE HOW IN-DEPTH THAT STUDY WAS. I DO KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECORDS IN THE DEPARTMENT LIKE THE ONE I EXPLAINED WE WILL BE DOING, WHICH IS A PERFORMANCE PLAN.
EACH LINE ITEM. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON THE OLD PLAN, BUT WE DEFINITELY CAN LOOK INTO IT, AND WE'LL ASK OUR CONSULTANT TO SHARE WHAT THEY HAD FROM THE PAST.
IF WE COULD, THAT WOULD. NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
SO ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS, IS IT APPENDIX A? THAT'S THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. APPENDIX A SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST, I KNOW THEY HAVE AT LEAST A PARAGRAPH ON HOW IT COMPARES.
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PLANS COMPARED WHAT STATE THEY WERE IN. I WILL SAY ONE THING, THOUGH, THAT I KNOW MOST PEOPLE THINK IF YOU COMPLETELY MOVE AWAY FROM THE OLD PLAN, COMP PLAN TO A NEW ONE, THAT, OH, THAT WORK GOT WASTED.AS A PLANNER, I WILL TELL YOU, IT'S NEVER WASTED.
THE WHOLE REASON FOR LOOKING AT A COMPLAINT IS CONDITIONS CHANGE.
I JOKE WITH MY ARCHITECT HUSBAND WHO HAS TO CARRY A LOT OF LIABILITY, AND AS A PLANNER, WE HAVE NONE BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE AND WE PLAN FOR 30 YEARS. SO IN BETWEEN NOW AND 30 YEARS, SO MANY THINGS WILL CHANGE THAT YOU HAVE TO CHANGE WITH IT.
OURS IS A EVER CHANGING, EVER EVOLVING FIELD.
AND SO WITH A LOT OF OLDER COMMUNITIES, YOU CAN HAVE A NICE COMPARISON TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE DID ALL OF THIS, THIS, THIS. FOR EXAMPLE, RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA HAS A REALLY AMAZING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THEY KEEP TRACK OF IT. THE WAY I WAS TALKING, WE'D LIKE TO DO IT.
IT'S ONE OF THE BEST AROUND. OF COURSE, THAT PLANNING DIRECTOR IS ALSO CONSIDERED THE AUTHORITY IN PLANNING IN THE UNITED STATES, CANADA, LONDON, UK AND AUSTRALIA. SO NO WONDER THAT PLAN IS GREAT.
BUT LEARNING FROM HIM, IT'S A WAY TO CARRY ON AND THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF COMPARING IT.
BUT IT'S ALSO A STABLE COMMUNITY. OURS IS STILL GROWING AND AT THE SPEED THAT IT'S UNBELIEVABLE TO PLAY IN LONG RANGE FOR. ABSOLUTELY, I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING FOR MORE HAY.
ON LAST YEAR'S COMP PLAN YEARS BEFORE WE HAD THIS, THIS AND THIS ITEMS AND WE DID IT.
OKAY. AND DID WE DO ANY OF THOSE ITEMS OR DID YOU KNOW WE JUST GO THROUGH THAT EXERCISE? YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M SAYING WAS THAT EXERCISE LAST YEAR, THE YEAR BEFORE, WAS ANYTHING DONE WITH THE COMP PLAN? WE CAN GO BACK AND DEFINITELY. YOU KNOW, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR LIKE A COMPARISON AND WHAT ITEMS WERE ON THERE, AND SEE IF THERE'S. ALSO BEING CARRIED ON IN THIS ONE.
THAT ONE WE CAN DEFINITELY DO TO SAY THEY WERE THERE.
WE'RE STILL IN THERE. AND I CAN SAY. WITH QUITE CERTAINTY THAT INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING WAS PROBABLY ON THAT ONE AND IS ON THIS ONE, I'M SURE.
BUT THANK YOU AND GREAT JOB WITH THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I CAN'T TAKE ANY CREDIT. I HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THE PREVIOUS STAFF.
I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO I AGREE WITH MAXINE.
WHAT I'M USED TO SEEING IS THE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON, NOT ONLY JUST SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON, BUT WHAT THE ESTIMATED COST WAS TO COMPLETE AND WHAT THE ACTUAL COST CAME IN.
SO IF YOU'RE DOING. OF WHAT? SO IF LET'S JUST SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, UNDER YOUR LAST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE GOAL WAS TO EXPAND. BEAUCHAMP. OKAY. I'M JUST GIVING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE.
AND THE ESTIMATED COST TO EXPAND BEAUCHAMP WAS $5 MILLION.
OKAY. WHAT DID IT REALLY COST? SO I WILL TELL YOU, A COMP PLAN IS NEVER THAT DETAILED TO DO.
YEAH. AND SOME CAN BE. OURS WASN'T. AND WE WERE WE WERE WAY SMALLER THAN YOU GUYS.
AND PROBABLY WHY YOU COULD DO IT. YEAH. NO, NO, NO.
WE PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR IT. OF THAT TWO, THEN.
YOU'RE 14.2MI². WE WERE 5.5. AND SO YOUR CITIZENS ARE GOING TO WANT TO SEE.
HEY, WHAT DID IT COST? WHAT WAS THE ESTIMATE? WHAT DID IT COST AND HOW DOES THAT COMPARE? SECONDLY I FIND IT INTERESTING IN YOUR PARKS, YOUR PARKS PIECE, YOU GUYS ONLY HAVE SIX PARKS AND YOU HAVE SEVEN MILES OF WALKING TRAILS.
NOW IN THE APPENDIXES BECAUSE I'VE READ COVER TO COVER, AND YOU ESTIMATE THE TIME FRAMES THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO COMPLETE THIS. BUT AGAIN, YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT THE DOLLARS, NOR DO YOU TALK ABOUT THE FUNDING SOURCES.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FUND IT? YOU'RE GOING TO FUND IT THROUGH A BOND ELECTION? YOU'RE GOING TO FUND IT THROUGH GRANTS? SO FOR EXAMPLE WE HAD IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN A MASSIVE PARK NEXT TO LAKE LEWISVILLE THAT HAD BEEN JUST KIND OF BLOWN OFF.
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THROUGH BONDS. ET CETERA. ET CETERA. ET CETERA.WHEN I SEE DOLLARS DOLLAR SIGNS THAT SAY JUST ONE, TWO, THREE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO ME.
THE THIRD THING THAT I'LL SAY IS YOU TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE.
I SEE NOTHING IN THERE FROM YOUR EDC THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT GROCERY STORES ARE COMING IN, WHAT RESTAURANTS ARE COMING IN, WHAT'S THE TIME FRAME FOR THOSE WHO ARE WE TALKING TO? I KNOW IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT'S WAY UP HERE, BUT YOU SHOULD, AT LEAST IN THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION. OKAY, LAST THING, YOU TALK ABOUT, 380 IN OUR TRAFFIC AND YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER.
THERE'S NO MENTION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT FARM TO MARKET ROAD 546.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT GO OUT 546.
ALL FOR 398 AND 392. NOW YOU TALK ABOUT EXTANT EXPANSION OF 392, BUT YOU DON'T TALK ANY EXPANSION ON 398, NOR ARE YOU TALKING EXPANSION ON 546. THOSE ARE COUNTY ROADS.
SO YOU HAVE A COLLIN COUNTY COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? PARDON? YOU HAVE COLLIN COUNTY COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? YES. WHAT'S HIS IS WHAT'S HIS OR HER NAME? I DON'T KNOW.
NO. I'M SORRY. WE DEAL WITH STAFF. SO SO WE NEED.
AND I'M SAYING NOT YOU, BUT YOUR EDC NEEDS TO BE IN CONTACT WITH HIM.
AND EVEN IF THEY EVEN IF YOU SAY THAT'S NOT THEIR JOB.
YEAH, IT'S THEIR JOB. IT IS THEIR JOB. SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR THINGS.
AND I DON'T NEED ANSWERS. YEAH, I'LL JUST PASS IT ON.
YEAH, THAT'D BE FINE. THOSE ARE THE FOUR THINGS THAT I WOULD INCLUDE IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BECAUSE IF I'M NOT ON P&Z AND I'M JUST A CITIZEN AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS, I'M GOING, WOW, WHAT IS THIS GOING TO COST ME IN PROPERTY TAXES? AND THEN THERE'S NO MENTION OF THE DATA CENTER STUFF, WHICH IS NOT ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT, WHICH WAS ON THE AGENDA LAST TIME, WHICH WE DID NOT HAVE A QUORUM WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DISCUSS.
THAT IS A MAJOR IMPACT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL DID BECAUSE I DIDN'T I HAVE NOT WATCHED THE COUNCIL MEETING YET, SO I CAN ADDRESS THAT REAL QUICK. BECAUSE I WAS AT COUNCIL MEETING.
SO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM AND THE URGENCY OF GETTING A ORDINANCE TOGETHER AND EVERYTHING, IT WENT STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL AND COUNCILWOMAN TODD GAVE A GREAT PRESENTATION, DISCUSSION ON EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN THAT ORDINANCE.
AND IF YOU ASK ME TO REPEAT ANY OF IT, IT WAS LIKE THIS LONG THAT I COULDN'T EVEN START TO TELL YOU ALL OF EVERYTHING, BUT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT SHE GAVE FOR WHAT THE ORDINANCE SHOULD READ, LIKE SOUND.
WATER, ELECTRIC. RIGHT. ENVIRONMENTAL, WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING THIS.
YEAH. IF WE COULD RELATE THAT BACK TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO. WE HAVE TO NOT TALK ABOUT THAT. SO I WOULD I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS WELL.
BECAUSE AS YOU READ, AS EVERYBODY READS, GOVERNOR ABBOTT DOESN'T LIKE DATA CENTERS.
AND AS A BANKER, I FINANCED A COUPLE IN RURAL AREAS, WHICH.
GOVERNOR ABBOTT DOESN'T LIKE AND HE'S DRIVING HARD, BUT I'D LOVE TO READ WHAT COUNCILMAN TODD SAID.
BUT I THINK THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BECAUSE UNLESS A DATA CENTER IS FUNDING ITS OWN WATER, ITS OWN ELECTRICITY, AND ITS WAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHERE THERE'S NO HOME, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM.
SO THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. YEAH. LISTEN, TOWARDS THE END OF LAST WEEK'S COUNCIL MEETING AND.
IT'S HUGE, BUT IT'S VERY GOOD. WELL, I PARDON ME, THIS IS MY FIRST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT I'VE REALLY BEEN THROUGH AND I JUST THINK IT'S MISSING A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR ME, JUST LIKE WHAT TOM JUST SAID. I MEAN, I THOUGHT I WOULD SEE FUTURE LIKE THIS SUBDIVISION IS COMING HERE AND WE'VE ALREADY PLANNED THIS SUBDIVISION AND IT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE THAT'S TANGIBLE. BUT WHEN I LOOK, FOR INSTANCE, FOR THE LAKE, I MEAN, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, YOU CAN'T DO MUCH THERE. AND I WOULD LOVE THAT.
I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING THERE.
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BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THERE? IF THE ARMY CORPS SAYS, YOU REALLY CAN'T DO MUCH OF ANYTHING IF IT'S GOING TO MESS UP THE TERRAIN, WHICH I'M, I'M TOTALLY WITH, I LOVE THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE CABINS OUT THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT COULD HAPPEN.SO I WAS JUST, AND I MEAN INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY WASN'T ADDRESSED.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE WE HAVE ALL THESE PLANS GOING FORWARD, BUT WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO I IT'S. SO IF I MAY, YES, A COMP PLAN. AND THAT'S THE HARD PART FOR MANY PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND.
A COMP PLAN COMP PLAN IS DREAMS. IT IS IF YOU CAN'T EVEN DREAM, YOU'RE DEFINITELY NOT GETTING THERE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SHOOT FOR THE MOON, YOU MIGHT FALL IN WITH THE STARS KIND OF A THEORY.
IS YOU GO DO YOUR ABSOLUTE GREAT VISION AND THEN YOU COME TRY TO GET THERE.
SO THAT'S THE ACTION STEPS IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE ARE MANY WAYS WHEN WE USED TO WRITE THESE PLANS AS A CONSULTANT.
WE DID HAVE ACTUAL CITY, TOWN OF NORTH LAKES COMP PLAN.
WE GAVE THEM ACTUAL NUMBERS. THEY MADE US TAKE IT OUT.
WE GAVE THEM, YOU CAN EITHER HIRE THIS MANY STAFF FOR THIS COST OR THIS.
BUT IT ALSO DEPENDS ON SCOPE AND MONEY. WE LITERALLY, AND I WANT TO BE VERY FAIR TO OUR CONSULTANT.
WE PAID $280,000 FOR A FULL CITY WIDE COMP PLAN AND A FULL PARKS AND TRAILS MASTER PLAN.
I PERSONALLY WORKED ON A SMALL AREA PLAN FOR CITY OF DENTON JUST A YEAR, A YEAR AGO OR SO.
280,000 AND MY COMPANY STILL LOST $50,000 ON THAT ONE.
NAME AND PHONE NUMBER OF THE PERSON YOU ARE TO CALL.
SO THIS IS JUST A DRAFT, RIGHT? THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS PRESENT THIS TO THE PUBLIC AND WE'LL GET THE PUBLIC OPINION CORRECT.
YEAH. AND AS WE GO BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF AND THE PUBLIC OPINION AND THE COMMITTEES, THEN WE COME UP WITH LIKE A FINAL DRAFT OR HOW DOES IT WORK? OKAY, SO YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD HAVE WORKED.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY, SO IT'S NOT IN THE SCOPE TO DO THAT LEVEL OF BACK AND FORTH.
WE HAVE A CHANCE TO DO ONE SET OF AMENDMENTS.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'VE ASKED THAT. WE'VE PUT IT ONLINE.
WE'RE TAKING IN COMMENTS WHEN WE BRING IT TO YOU ALL AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING WHAT THEY WANT, WHAT THEY DON'T.
JUST LIKE YOU SAY WHAT YOU WANT. WE WILL IN OUR STAFF REPORT, RIGHT? HERE'S WHAT WE'VE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID. SO THEN WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT MENU AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO ADD TO IT? WE TAKE IT TO COUNCIL. MORE PEOPLE COME IN IN BETWEEN.
PEOPLE WILL HAVE GIVEN US MORE IDEAS. SO WE'LL PRESENT IT ALL TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO REALLY, THERE'S ONLY ONE TOWN HALL ONLINE PUBLIC HEARING AT P&Z AND PUBLIC HEARING AT COUNCIL.
SO WHAT IS OUR TIME FRAME OR OUR TIMELINE TO GET THE DATA, RETRIEVE THE DATA, ASSESS IT, AND THEN COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE WANT TO PRESENT TO THE COMMITTEE? SO WE WILL BE POSTING THE AGENDA IF IT'S ON THE 20TH, THE WEEK BEFORE. SO IT'LL BE FOR YOU GUYS. YOU GET ONE WEEK TO LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS.
YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE WEBSITE RIGHT NOW, OR CALL US AND SAY, HEY, HOW MUCH HAVE YOU GOTTEN? WE'LL EMAIL IT TO YOU. SO YEAH, IT'S NOT MUCH, BUT WE REALLY NEED A COMP PLAN.
AND ALSO COMP PLAN IS A LIVING DOCUMENT. IF THINGS DON'T WORK OUT, YOU ALWAYS GET TO CHANGE IT.
YOU ALWAYS GET TO SAY, THIS DOESN'T WORK HERE FOR US OR FOR THIS AREA STAFF.
GO DO A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. FIND OUT WHAT THE PEOPLE TRULY WANT.
THIS IS NOT WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM OUR COMMUNITY.
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SO WE GO OUT, DO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, FIND OUT.AND THAT'S WHY THERE ARE THOSE SMALL AREA PLANS IS THIS IS HIGH LEVEL, VERY, VERY HIGH LEVEL.
THEN YOU GET TO A LOWER LEVEL BY GOING DEEPER, SAY DOWNTOWN 380, WHICHEVER OTHER CORRIDOR YOU WANT.
WE DO A DETAILED ANALYSIS STUDY, BUT FIRST WE LISTEN TO PEOPLE SPECIFICALLY THAT LIVE AROUND THAT AREA, MAKE SURE WE'VE GONE OUT TO THEM, ALL OF THAT, AND THEN MAKE A PLAN.
AFTER THAT, WE DO A CODE UNTIL WE REWRITE OUR ZONING CODE AND SUBDIVISION CODE AND OTHER ORDINANCES.
NONE OF THIS MEANS ANYTHING. THIS IS JUST A DREAM.
WELL, TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT HE WAS SAYING IN TERMS OF TAXES, WHAT, HOW DO WE REALISTICALLY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS WHEN RESIDENTS COME AND SAY, HEY, WELL, HOW IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT OUR TAXES? HOW MUCH ARE WE, OUR, IS THE CITY EXPECTING FOR US TO PAY TO MAKE THESE CHANGES? IS THERE A, IS THERE ANY TYPE OF GUIDELINE THERE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE COME UP WITH? OKAY, SO WE'RE JUST DREAMING AT THIS POINT. SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE JUST DREAMING.
WE OF COURSE, WHEN I WORKED IN CITY OF DALLAS AFTER THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2014, WE CREATED A COMPLETE ASSESSMENT OF WHAT THE COMP PLAN WOULD COST.
AND WE COMPARED IT TO 20 YEARS PAST BUDGET AND WE COMPARED IT TO, OKAY, YOU WANT PARKS LIKE FRISCO.
YOU WANT THIS HERE'S PER CAPITA WHAT THAT CITY SPENDS.
AND THEN WE WENT TO COUNCIL AND SAID, HERE'S WHAT YOUR TAX IS.
TAX NUMBER WOULD HAVE TO BE IF YOU WANT ALL OF THIS FOR YOUR PEOPLE.
SO IT'S THE PEOPLE'S CHOICE. YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO PAY FOR WHAT YOUR DREAM IS OR NOT? WE CAN GIVE YOU A PRICE. BUT THAT DEPARTMENT ALSO HAVE 50 PLANNERS, EIGHT ECONOMISTS.
SO JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE PLANNING DIVISION HERE, THE FOUR PEOPLE.
AND I'M ALSO THE DIRECTOR OF TWO OTHER DIVISIONS.
SO THERE'S KIND OF LIKE ISSUES. CAN WE TELL YOU? YES. WHEN PEOPLE ASK, OF COURSE, IS THE COUNCIL GOING TO JUST CHANGE THE TAX RATE.
NO, WE'RE GOING TO THINK THROUGH IT. SO WE'LL EVERY YEAR WE'LL COME TO YOU ALL.
YOU CHOOSE OUR WORK PLAN. YOU SAY WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE.
AND WE STAY WITHIN OUR LIMITS AND OUR BUDGET.
YOU KNOW, WE DO LITTLE AND LITTLE. THAT'S WHY WE DO 50 YEAR PLAN.
SO QUESTION THE FORMER CHAIR KEVIN, HE WAS TOLD BY THE CITY PRIOR TO YOU THAT OUR BOARD WOULD HAVE ONE MONTH TO REVIEW THE COMP PLAN.
SO JUST BASED ON THE TIME FRAME YOU MENTIONED, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S THAT.
WE DID SEND IT OUT ON JUNE 10TH AND YOUR PUBLIC HEARING IS JULY 20TH.
OKAY. SO WE DID TRY TO GIVE MORE THAN A MONTH.
THANK YOU. AND THEN AND NONE OF THESE DATES ARE SET IN STONE.
RIGHT. YOU CAN ALWAYS PUT IT ON HOLD. TELL US.
WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT. TELL US WHAT YOU WANT.
I SAW IT ON THE AGENDA, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS JUNE 10TH AND.
AND TO BE FAIR, IT IS A BIG MONTH. WHILE IT MIGHT SOUND A LOT.
IF YOU HAVE A LIFE AND A JOB AND THIS IS YOUR VOLUNTEER POSITION, THAT'S A BIT MUCH TO EXPECT TO GRASP EVERYTHING, ESPECIALLY LIKE YOU SAID COMMISSIONER GORIA THAT IT'S YOUR FIRST ONE DOING IT SO.
AND. WELL. OH, SORRY. ONE OTHER THING WITH THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE, I KNOW IT WAS DISCUSSED WHEN KEVIN WAS COMMISSIONER, THAT THERE WOULD ALSO BE MORE THAN JUST ONE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THEM, AND MORE THAN ONE TOWN HALL FOR THEM TO GIVE THEIR OPINION. I WILL BE HONEST, WE'RE PAYING EXTRA FOR THE TOWN HALL AND FOR THE PARKS BOARD MEETING TOMORROW.
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SO WE MADE THEM PUT IN ANOTHER TOWN HALL AND PRESENTED TO PARKS AND REC BOARD THE PARKS PLAN.AND SO, I MEAN, WE'RE OF COURSE, WE'LL DO WHATEVER YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO.
YOU WILL ALSO KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA UNTIL IT'S AT THE FINAL.
YES. AND WE WILL EVERY, EVERY MEETING, THIS ITEM WILL BE THERE EVEN WHEN YOU'VE DONE A RECOMMENDATION AND IT GOES TO COUNCIL, WE'LL KEEP IT SO THAT YOU CAN ASK FOR UPDATES ON WHAT'S HAPPENING BETWEEN YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND COUNCIL ADOPTION.
AND LIKE I SAID, Y'ALL CAN SPEAK WITH YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOUR COMMUNITY, IF YOU ALL NEED MORE TIME, MORE MEETINGS. WE WERE TOLD THAT EVERYONE WANTED THIS DONE ASAP AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO HURRY THIS THROUGH, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO HURRY IT WITH PEOPLE FEELING LIKE IT'S NOT THEIR PLAN.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THIS IS THEIR PLAN. WHATEVER PEOPLE WANT WILL ADD IT IN.
OH, I TOTALLY AGREE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE IT'S, WELL, THE LAST ONE.
WHEN I MOVED HERE IN 2024, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STUNK.
STUNK. WE ARE USING THE SAME ONE RIGHT NOW. NO, IT'S THIS IS THIS IS A LOT BETTER THAN.
OH, NO, THIS IS NOT ADOPTED. SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE COMP PLAN WE GO WITH.
YEAH. THE COMP PLAN THAT YOU DID BACK IN 2024.
I READ THAT TOO. IT WAS HORRIBLE. HORRIBLE. YEAH, THIS PLAN IS A LOT BETTER.
AND I COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR TAKING THE TIME, TAKING THE EFFORT AND INVESTING THE MONEY TO GET THIS DEEP INTO IT, SO. I THINK I WOULD FOR ME, I WOULD NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME JUST TO GO OVER IT AND THEN TO BE ABLE TO FULLY UNDERSTAND SO THAT WHEN WE DO PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC, WE CAN IN A WAY WHERE WE DON'T CAUSE A MASS HYSTERIA, BECAUSE THAT'S EASY TO HAPPEN IN PRINCETON, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT UNTIL THEY START SEEING CHANGES HAPPEN, I THINK WE CAN KIND OF SET OURSELVES TO EXPECT A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.
BUT JUST HAVING THE TIME TO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND PUT IT IN A WAY WHERE IT'S DIGESTIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, THAT THAT THAT'S MY THING. SO HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME AND THEN US BEING ABLE TO HAVE MORE THAN JUST THAT ONE MEETING, SINCE WE CAN ONLY PRESENT ONCE OR CHANGE TO CHANGE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ONE TIME, WE'RE DONE.
LIKE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, LIKE ONCE WE, ONCE WE PRESENT TO THE DEVELOPERS OF THE PLAN, THAT'S IT.
WE CAN'T GO BACK AND MAKE ANY CHANGES. IS THAT? OH, WE CAN. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. COMP PLAN IS A LIVING DOCUMENT.
GO DO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. FIGURE OUT IF THIS WORKS.
YOU THEN MAKE A DECISION. DO YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND IT TO CITY COUNCIL? AND THEN WE TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, YOUR P&Z WANTS THIS CHANGE MADE.
YOUR COMMUNITY WANTS THIS CHANGE MADE, AND THEN THE COUNCIL CAN AMEND THE COMPLAINT.
SO IN MANY CITIES, EVERY TIME THERE IS A ZONING CHANGE, THEY REQUIRE YOU TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FIRST BEFORE YOU CAN DO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A ZONING CHANGE. SO YOU DO BOTH PUBLIC HEARINGS, ONE TO AMEND THE COMP PLAN, THEN TO DO THE CHANGE IN ZONING. AND JUST CRYSTAL TO BOUNCE OFF WHAT YOU SAID.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN ALMOST A YEAR WITH THE COMP PLAN BEING PLANNED AND PREPARED AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITH IT THAT I HONESTLY FEEL IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE PUBLIC AND WE NEED TO GET, BECAUSE THERE WAS A VERY, VERY, VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INTERACTION.
THERE WAS OPEN HOUSES FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME TO.
THEY NEED TO SEE SOONER THAN LATER THAT THEIR WORK AND THEIR EFFORTS MEAN SOMETHING.
AND BY WAITING ANY LONGER IS DOING A DISSERVICE TO THEM, SO.
I GUESS MY ONLY THING IS, WELL, WHAT I WAS ASKING IS THAT IF WE CAN HAVE MORE, INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING THE ONE PUBLIC MEETING, WE SHOULD HAVE MORE, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT OUT.
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I THINK ALSO THIS THIS COMP PLAN FOR ME IS A LITTLE FLOWERY WHEN I LOOK AT IT.I MEAN, IT'S NOT IS THIS WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE? AND IT'S REALLY NOT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT IT'S GOING TO END UP LOOKING LIKE.
WE'D LIKE IT TO. WE'D LIKE IT TO, I GUESS. I MEAN, THE COMMUNITY WOULD.
YEAH. SO. BUT MY THOUGHT IS THAT IS THE PUBLIC GOING TO SEE IT THAT WAY? IF THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT IT ONLINE, ARE WE SHOWING THEM SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE TOO PIE IN THE SKY, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE EXPECTING SOMETHING. THIS IS WHAT THEY WANTED.
EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THIS COMP PLAN DID NOT COME FROM THE CITY.
NO. THAT MUCH I CAN GUARANTEE YOU. THERE WAS NO CITY INPUT INVOLVED.
WELL, I KNOW THAT, BUT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PRESENTATION.
SO I WILL SAY THIS. THIS IS FOR INSPIRATION. THIS IS ALSO A MARKETING DOCUMENT TO GET SOME REALLY GOOD DEVELOPERS TO COME IN AND TO STOP BAD DEVELOPMENT BY SAYING, IF IT'S NOT THIS QUALITY, DON'T BOTHER COMING TO US.
THIS IS WHAT OUR RESIDENTS EXPECT IN THEIR CITY.
SO THERE'S TWO WAYS, TWO SIDES TO MANAGING EXPECTATIONS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
ONE SIDE AS PLANNERS, WE'RE USED TO THIS. I ALWAYS HAD AN ISSUE WITH CONSULTANTS IN THE PAST WAS YOU JUST SHOWED ALL THESE GREAT PICTURES. NOW MY COUNCIL IS GOING TO ASK, WHY AREN'T WE SEEING THIS? YOU'VE NOT SAID HOW MUCH MONEY IT'S GOING TO COST.
NOBODY GAVE ME THE BUDGET TO ACTUALLY GO IMPLEMENT THIS, AND NOW WE'RE IN A MESS.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE WAYS AND WE HAVE A BRILLIANT MARKETING DIRECTOR AND PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, SO WE'RE HOPING SHE'S GOING TO HELP US MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HONEST AND TRANSPARENT ABOUT THIS IS A DREAM.
THIS IS A MARKETING DOCUMENT. THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN TWO DAYS.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE OUR DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FIXED.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE NEED THAT. WE NEED STAFF TO ACTUALLY REVIEW THE PLANS THAT ARE SUBMITTED SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOCUMENT, THE LEVEL OF QUALITY THEY WANT. WE CAN AT LEAST MAKE SURE THAT WHAT'S COMING IN FRONT OF US IS CLOSE TO THAT. FOR THAT, ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO COST US MONEY.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT DURING BUDGET PRESENTATIONS, DURING OUR NEW WEBSITE, WE WILL MANAGE THE EXPECTATIONS THAT WAY BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, ROME WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED TIME TO FIX SOME OF THE THINGS HERE.
BUT WE SHOULDN'T START BY SAYING WE CANNOT ACHIEVE THIS.
WE SHOULD START BY AIMING FOR THE MOON. SO QUICK QUESTION FOR THE PUBLIC APPEARANCE OR OPEN HOUSE PUBLIC TO VIEW IT. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE, AND WE'VE DONE IT FOR OTHER THINGS, BUT WILL WE HAVE ACTUAL POSTER BOARDS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE VISIONS ON IT? AND I KNOW POSTER IS. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M REFERRING TO, BECAUSE JUST HAVING IT UP THERE AND PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT AND IN AND OUT. IS IT GOING TO BE EFFICIENT? YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT MAY START AT 11 AND SOMEBODY'S GOING TO SHOW UP AT 11:30.
SOMEBODY'S GOING TO SHOW UP AT 12:15. BUT HAVING SOMETHING PHYSICAL FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. SO THIS IS ON THE WEBSITE. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE SURE WE CAN, BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET. WE'VE BEEN STOPPED FROM BUYING FORKS AND WATER BOTTLES IN THE DEPARTMENT.
CAN WE MAKE COPIES OF LIKE THE ACTION PLAN SECTION, NOT THE WHOLE 100 AND SOMETHING? ANYTHING WE CAN DO ON EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11 IN-HOUSE.
I CAN DO THE FANCY BIG BOARDS. I HAVE TO PAY PROFESSIONAL PRICING TO GET THAT BUILT.
MAYOR ABOUT THAT. I DON'T SEE WHY YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT IT.
I'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. AS FAR AS I CAN GET THE MONEY, I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, HAVING SOMETHING UP THAT PRESENTS IT.
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PAGES OF WHAT THE ACTION PLAN IS, I THINK IS GOING TO BE VERY HELPFUL.JUST LIKE I SAID, HAVING SOMEONE HERE TALKING ABOUT IT, THAT PERSON THAT'S WALKING IN 45 MINUTES INTO IT IS GOING TO HAVE NO CLUE. YEAH, BECAUSE I'M SURE HE'S NOT GOING TO STAND THERE AND JUST REPEAT, REPEAT AND REPEAT.
SO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MISS THINGS AND. I AGREE.
OKAY, SO MY LAST COMMENT I AGREE WITH YOU TOTALLY, TOTALLY AGREE.
THAT'S THE WAY WE DID IT IN HIGHLAND VILLAGE.
WE HAD OUR TOWN HALLS, WE HAD POSTER BOARDS ON THE KEY PIECES OF THE COMP PLAN.
BUT I'M GOING TO SAY WE BEAT THIS ONE REALLY HARD.
MAXINE, PLEASE, LET'S WE BEAT THIS UP ENOUGH IN MY OPINION.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE IN REGARDS TO THE COMP PLAN? I WOULD LIKE TO. TURN YOUR MIC ON, PLEASE. I WOULD LIKE TO.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR MOTION IS GOING TO BE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO NOT OR MAYBE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL AFTER THE TOWN HALL AND SEE WHAT INPUT WE GET FROM THAT. SO THERE IS NO MOTION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.
THIS IS DISCUSSION ONLY. AND AS SHAI RESPONDED TO MY PRIOR QUESTION, THIS WILL BE ON EVERY SINGLE AGENDA GOING FORWARD FOR US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON. SO AND THE ONLY ACTION WILL BE ON THE 20TH OF JULY.
IF YOU ARE NOT READY TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BY 10TH OF AUGUST, THEN WE CAN ASK COUNCIL TO ALSO HOLD THAT DATE SPECIFIC SO WE CAN PUSH IT. AND THAT WOULD BE DEPENDING UPON PUBLIC INPUT AND OTHER ITEMS. MICROPHONE, PLEASE. WHAT DATE WAS THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC? SO RIGHT NOW IT ALREADY IS OPEN TO PUBLIC ON OUR WEBSITE ON THE.
AND JULY 11TH, SATURDAY, 11 TO 1 IS THE TOWN HALL.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
PUBLIC HEARING IS THE 20TH. JULY 20TH. YEAH. SO WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE TO.
THANK YOU SHAI. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
DO I HAVE ANY ACTION ITEMS OTHER THAN TALK TO HAVING POSTERS AT JULY 11TH MEETING? NO, NO POSTERS. POSTERS YES, AND MAYBE THE ACTION PLAN PRINTED OUT FOR COPIES OF THAT FOR BROCHURES.
AND WOULD IT BE OKAY IF WE JUST PRINT IT OUT? THE TOP TEN OF THE ACTIONS THE. THOSE TWO PAGES.
OKAY. SAME WITH THE POSTERS. THANK YOU. SO WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE TO OUR REPORT AGENDA.
[H. REPORT AGENDA ]
H, REPORT AGENDA. THE NEXT REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS MONDAY, JULY 13TH AT 6:30.THE NEXT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IS MONDAY, JULY 20TH AT 6:30.
AGAIN, THE PUBLIC TOWN HALL FOR THE COMPREHENSION PLAN IS THIS SATURDAY, JULY 11TH, 11 A.M.
TO 1 P.M.. THE CURRENT TENTATIVE MILESTONES FOR THE LIVE PRINCETON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDE.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING, JULY 13TH.
OH, I'M SO SORRY, THAT'S A MISTAKE. IT'S JULY 20TH.
THANK YOU. JULY 20TH. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT.
CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE AUGUST THE 10TH, 2026.
AND THEN NEXT REPORT AGENDA ITEM. THE LAST ONE IS PRINCETON TOWN CENTER UPDATE.
SO WITH THAT I WILL TAKE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.
I MAKE A MOTION. OH SORRY. YES, I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
SORRY I GOT. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO ADJOURN.
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WAIT. OKAY. SHE'S GOT AN UPDATE FOR US. SORRY.ON THE PRINCETON TOWN CENTER. GO. GO. GO. SORRY.
SO REAL QUICK, GOOD NEWS ON THE PRINCETON TOWN CENTER.
THEY'VE HAD THEIR PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING. ANY DAY THIS WEEK, THEY WILL BE BREAKING GROUND.
ALL THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN APPROVED. WE DO HAVE A GROUNDBREAKING FOR KROGER'S ON THE 15TH OF JULY. AND WE WILL, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THE GROUNDBREAKING IS JUST A SIGN.
THEY WILL NOT BE DOING ANY CONSTRUCTION VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS JUST INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS GOING TO SERVE ALL THE LOTS.
ONCE THEY DO THAT, THEY'RE ALSO BRINGING FORWARD A FINAL PLAT BECAUSE A LOT HAS CHANGED ON THAT LOT.
AND THE EASEMENTS HAVE MOVED AROUND FROM THEIR PRELIMINARY PLAT TILL NOW.
SO THEY WILL BE BRINGING THEIR FINAL PLAT TO US BY END OF THIS MONTH.
SO YOU'LL BE SEEING THAT COME THROUGH. HOWEVER, ALL THE TIME YOU WILL BE SEEING CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING, BUT THAT IS ON THE GROUND BUILDING FIRE LANES AND BUILDING THE DETENTION CENTER.
WE DO HAVE DISCOUNT TIRE MURPHY USA, TJ MAXX HOME, SOME HOME THING BUT 4 OR 5 OF THE SHELL BUILDINGS, WHICH WILL BE LIKE TJ MAXX AS WELL AS SOME RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE THEIR PLANS SUBMITTED FOR BUILDING REVIEW WHILE THEY WAIT FOR THE FINAL PLAT AND GETTING THEIR PERMIT.
WE'RE REVIEWING THOSE AND KROGER AND HOME DEPOT.
SO WE'VE GOT ALL THOSE REVIEWED WORKING. I DO WANT EVERYONE, IF THEY'RE LISTENING TO HAVE MANAGED EXPECTATIONS ONCE THE GROUND BREAKS, IT STILL TAKES TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU CAN SHOP IN A STORE.
SO I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.
IT WILL BE 2027 DECEMBER BY THE TIME THE STORES WILL BE OPEN.
BUT IT'S MOVING. AND REAL QUICK, DO YOU KNOW FOR THE KROGER, ARE THEY GOING ARE WE GOING TO HAVE LIKE AN ACTUAL GROUNDBREAKING CEREMONY? THEY ARE HOPING TO DO THAT. SO IT'S IN PLANNING.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE TOWN CENTER? ON THE TOWN CENTER, DO ALL OF THE BUSINESSES HAVE TO BE FINISHED BEFORE YOU CAN SAY SHOP AT KROGER OR.
NO, NO WE WILL. IT'S PHASED. SO WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY BUILD IT SUCH THAT.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST IT'S SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO.
SO WE WILL HAVE THEM KIND OF CORDON OFF AN AREA WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION IS HAPPENING.
WHILE ONE STORE OPEN. SO WE WON'T HOLD UP A STORE OPENING IF THERE'S OTHER CONSTRUCTION, AS LONG AS THEY CAN CONSTRUCT IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT DOESN'T GET IN THE WAY. AND IT'S NOT DANGEROUS TO THE SHOPPERS.
PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT UPDATE.
VERY EXCITING. SO NOW WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT.
I MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? WE ARE ADJOURNED. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.